[00:32] <tomreyn> ahasenack: while it won't solve the issue of the similar names, nor the ever growing discrepencies between package / software names and how they're referred to on the GUI, i *might* be able to answer which is which: "software updates" should be old "update-manager", "software & updates" should be the gnome settings configuration screen for apt and update-manager , and "ubuntu software" should be the ubuntu fork of "(gnome) software", the 
[00:32] <tomreyn> software 'store' application which combines management of apt packages, snaps, and firmware upgrades (lvfs).
[00:33] <sarnold> it'd sure be handy to have a list of package names and executable names for which releases preferred which things; I know I'm always pretty useless when folks ask for help with it, I don't ever know where to start looking
[00:37] <tomreyn> this would be a great intermediary solution. with, ideally, a long term solution which is to bring what you'd type in the dash search in sync with what you type on the CLI, and vice versa (apparently you can type CLI names into dash search already, it just won't work the other way around).
[00:39] <sarnold> oh that'd definitely help me find things like the printer config window etc :)
[00:46] <tomreyn> hey, wanna see a bug that hits (some) people every day when they try to install ubuntu, and makes them give up on installing because there is no hint on whats wrong? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379
[00:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1396379 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer uses first EFI system partition found even when directed otherwise" [High, Confirmed]
[00:48] <tomreyn> it's 8 years old, but it's of high imoprtance, so i'm sure it'll get fixed soon
[00:56] <sarnold> heh, yeah, that bug is a contributing factor in why I think it's better to skip dual booting and instead virtualize all but one of the OSes one wants to run
[01:06] <tomreyn> that's also what i usually suggest to those poor souls who run into it. but not everyone has good enough hardware, and some are even more overwehlmed by virtualization than by the idea of multi-boot, and kind of expect this to just work, because they heard good things about 'linux'.
[01:06] <tomreyn> fortunately, this way, we can disappoint them early.
[01:07] <sarnold> The Authentic Linux Experience :)
[01:09] <tomreyn> Yes, it's a TALE.
[01:14] <jbicha> I think we're kind of breaking multiboot by default with disabling os-prober by default. I should add that to the release notes tomorrow
[06:31] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:13] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[07:14] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[08:53] <sil2100> Hello desktoppers!
[08:53] <sil2100> Can someone give the 22.04 Beta images a spin re: OEM install?
[08:53] <Wimpy> sil2100: I can.
[08:54] <Wimpy> Just finishing Ubuntu MATE testing now.
[08:54] <sil2100> Wimpy: thank you!
[08:54] <Wimpy> I'll do an OEM Ubuntu next.
[08:54] <sil2100> Uh oh, I wonder why canary is not visible on the 22.04 Beta tracker
[08:55] <sil2100> seb128: we want to release canary as part of Beta as well, right?
[08:59] <seb128> sil2100, we said we wouldn't have it official this cycle so I think it's not needed
[08:59] <seb128> especially that we had some issues with the subiquity update so I'm not even sure the beta image would be working
[08:59] <sil2100> seb128: okay! I added it just so that it gets some visibility, since I still think it's good for people to give it a spin
[08:59] <sil2100> Ouchy
[09:00] <seb128> we landed a fix tuesday but we didn't have another image built since
[09:02] <sil2100> seb128: was that a fix in subiquity itself?
[09:04] <sil2100> seb128: because we could re-spin if all the fixes are already in place (like, in the subiquity 22.04 stable channel etc.)
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[09:09] <Wimpy> sil2100: Tested OEM installs on Ubuntu and Ubuntu MATE. All good. Marked in the tracker.
[09:10] <sil2100> Wimpy: phew, thanks! Since we saw some crashes for Kubuntu (even though those seemed to be in the kde frontent bits), so I just wanted someone to confirm
[09:10] <Wimpy> They use Calamares I think too.
[09:22] <seb128> sil2100, no, the fix was in ubuntu-desktop-installer snap to adapt to a subiquity change, renamed some entry point for UA to ubuntu pro
[09:22] <seb128> sil2100, so just doing a rebuild from the canary iso would be enough
[09:23] <seb128> it would get the current snap included which should be working
[09:24] <sil2100> seb128: okay, let me respin it, even it it's not as official, I still think it makes sense
[10:11] <sil2100> seb128: ok, new image is there. If this one is a bit better, would you want it to be released along with other beta images?
[11:55] <jbicha> good morning
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[12:01] <seb128> sil2100, let me check with Ken but it probably make sense yes
[12:02] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you?
[12:02] <jbicha> good, happy Beta week 😊
[12:06] <seb128> indeed!
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[14:01] <sil2100> How is everyone feeling about desktop? Can we mark it as green?
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ opinion?
[14:14] <seb128> sil2100, it's fine from my perspective, I didn't bother testing it since it had none of the current versions for GNOME, xorg not drivers, it seemed a bit pointless to test outdated versions
[14:14] <seb128> the iso tracker suggest that a few people did working install so that should be enough for a beta
[14:15] <sil2100> I don't think it's pointless to test something even if we're still waiting for some uploads, because there's so many other things that can be broken - especially from the installation POV
[14:16] <seb128> sil2100, let's say it would have been a lot more valuable if e.g gnome-shell had been unblocked as we requested on tuesday
[14:16] <sil2100> Every testing is good, especially that I don't think we're doing such more detailed testing of daily images besides during milestones
[14:17] <seb128> sil2100, right, stiil we are testing the wrong things, most of the reports I see on the iso tracker have fixes uploaded and blocked in proiposed
[14:17] <seb128> sil2100, anytway that's probably neither the right time nor group/place for having a discussion about that
[14:18] <seb128> sil2100, sorry for the ranting, I will stop there, it's frustrating that the release team isn't keeping up but it isn't your fault
[14:18] <sil2100> I'm just saying, even if not all packages are up-to-date, I think testing is good to perform to find as many issues as possible as early as possible
[14:19] <seb128> sil2100, right, it has some use, it's just frustrating that it would have been a lot more useful and the same work if updated had landed
[14:20] <seb128> sil2100, now we have some testing but it doesn't tell us anything about the state of our most important components and the interaction they might have on the installation or first login
[14:20] <seb128> still it could uncover an ubiquity issue or such you are right
[14:21] <sil2100> seb128: I think it's just hard to know when to 'draw the line' - it's a choice that is never ideal, because either things keep on piling up or we end up with not enough time to do the testing. It's always a difficult call...
[14:22] <seb128> sil2100, well, gnome-shell is one important component and I would have been happy to make a case for it tuesday mid-day when I asked for it to be unblocked on -release if someone had replied, it was still early enough to not be an issue for the ISO nor a case of respin
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