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| rbasak_remote | o/ | 15:50 |
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| rbasak_remote | I'll participate today as best as I can but I'm likely to appear and disappear on short notice so best not to wait for me. | 15:51 |
| rbasak_remote | Seems web chat won't hold my session open :-( | 15:57 |
| sil2100 | !dmb-ping | 16:00 |
| ubottu | ddstreet, rbasak, sil2100, teward, bdmurray, kanashiro, seb128: DMB ping | 16:00 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 16:00 |
| * kanashiro waves | 16:00 | |
| athos | o/ | 16:00 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbasak_remote | Welcome kanashiro! | 16:01 |
| sil2100 | I think this means we have a quorum! | 16:01 |
| kanashiro | rbasak_remote, thanks :) | 16:02 |
| sil2100 | Is anyone interested in chairing the meeting? | 16:02 |
| ddstreet | maybe the opt-in chairing list should be updated if any new members are interested? | 16:03 |
| kanashiro | I could but I don't know how to manage the bot, maybe next time | 16:03 |
| rbasak_remote | As above I now need to run :-( | 16:04 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I should be able to lead it then | 16:05 |
| seb128 | hey, is meeting now? | 16:05 |
| sil2100 | Sorry, am in another meeting as well, but I can start the meeting now | 16:06 |
| sil2100 | seb128: yes! | 16:06 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 16:06 |
| sil2100 | Welcome! | 16:06 |
| seb128 | sorry I'm a bit late, also I don't know what I'm doing, didn't get any 'onboarding' so I don't even know if new members start today :p | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | sil2100 you're in another mtg? you shouldn't have to chair | 16:06 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | sil2100 i can chair if you are in another mtg | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | if you want | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: ...could you? I'd be very grateful! I can, but I might sometimes be a bit distracted | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | sure i can chair | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | If you could start and I could pick up in like 10 minutes | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board | 16:07 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:07:44 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:07 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | hi all, so just for reference for the new memebers in case you didn't know the agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 16:08 |
| kanashiro | ack | 16:08 |
| seb128 | thx | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | also before we start i guess it may be helpful for anyone watching to know there are new members, the current list is https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #topic Current Meeting Chair | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | we don't normally discuss this one, but since there are new members, i guess i'll just mention if any of you would like to volunteer to take chairing shifts, the rotating list is opt-in | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | so feel free to add yourself to the list on the agenda page | 16:10 |
| seb128 | 👍 | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | i'll skip the long-term action items, as we usually do | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #topic review of previous action items | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic sil2100 update DMB KB to clarify new contributing developers should only be added to ~ubuntu-developer-members, not to ~ubuntu-dev nor ~ubuntu-uploaders (done) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | looks like it's done | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | i think right? | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | i did not actually check | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | i'll assume it is any move on :) | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | Yes, I think I did that! | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | thanks! | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | carry over? | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | Carry over for now, it's a small item though | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #action sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) | 16:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic sil2100 to finalize xypron's Ubuntu Contributing Developer membership (done) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | done also | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic sil2100 to announce xypron's Ubuntu Contributing Developer successfull application (done) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | and that looks done too | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | don't think teward is here today? i assume carry over for this one | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) | 16:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | next is the applications | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #topic fnordahl - per-package upload rights for the openvswitch and ovn packages | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | i think this is done now via the ML | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | so we just need an action to announce it and adjust ACL, any volunteers? | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | ok well i guess i can | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | #ddstreet announce fnordahl successful application | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | oops | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet announce fnordahl successful application | 16:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet announce fnordahl successful application | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: wait, so hm | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | no? | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: regarding this - I don't think we actually need to decide first | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | i thought it was 4 +1? | 16:15 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: so this is basically a PPU for 2 packages, but question is: should this be a personal-PPU or should we create a openvswitch packageset? | 16:16 |
| sil2100 | Since I think it might be something more people would want to request PPU | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | ah ok | 16:16 |
| sil2100 | And I think we had this concept that we try to check if there's some common use-cases | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | should this go to ML discussion or just decide now? | 16:17 |
| kanashiro | seems sensible to me to create a new package set | 16:18 |
| sil2100 | If possible, we could discuss it here - since I think a packageset makes sense here. Anyone else agrees/disagrees? | 16:18 |
| kanashiro | +1 | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | i had originally suggested to make them part of the openstack pkgset: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/jammy/openstack | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | however fnordahl clarified they are 'standalone' as far as being possible to use without o7k | 16:19 |
| seb128 | I don't feel like i know enough about the topic to have an opinion on whether it's likely to see more people applying for that specific 2 packages | 16:19 |
| seb128 | my personal approach would be to add the person and convert to a set if we ever get another person interested by the same packages | 16:19 |
| seb128 | but if sets are cheap I don't really an issue with creating one | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | this might be a question better answered by people more familiar with the o7k and/or k8s areas? | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | re: packagesets, they are intertwined with seeding/germination, so i'm not sure if it's cheap or easy | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | or simple | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | but i'm not actually sure | 16:21 |
| rbasak_remote | Please not a packageset | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | also i am pretty sure we (i.e. DMB) cannot create packagesets | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | so probably this is a question for the TB since they are the only ones who can create packagesets i think? | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | the rules of what we can do aren't always completely clear | 16:22 |
| kanashiro | I like seb128's approach | 16:22 |
| rbasak_remote | It's just a bunch of extra admin. Personal packages were created for a specific exceptional case only. It's documented. | 16:22 |
| rbasak_remote | The DMB can decide for themselves on this one. It requires TB only because LP's ACLs aren't fine grained enough. | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | should we take this to the ML or does everyone agree on one direction or another? | 16:23 |
| rbasak_remote | But really there's no point making a packageset just for one reason and it's never traditionally been done that way. Better to just follow the existing pattern. | 16:24 |
| rbasak_remote | Just for one person | 16:24 |
| seb128 | I'm +1 for just giving the ppu to fnordahl | 16:25 |
| seb128 | if we have disagreement we should probably move that to the list? | 16:25 |
| sil2100 | Ok, finally fully back | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | i think we have seb128 and rbasak_remote suggesting to just use ppu | 16:26 |
| rbasak_remote | I think everyone's happy with PPU? Looks like that's what was applied for and approved anyway? | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | i think i'd concur with that | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | kanashiro sil2100 you both ok with ppu approach? | 16:27 |
| kanashiro | yep | 16:27 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, was reading backlog. I'm fine either way - if there's more people interested in getting the same PPU then I guess we can reconsider a packageset | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | sounds good | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | ok i added the action for announcing, i'll add action for adjusting acl | 16:28 |
| sil2100 | I was proposing a packageset as this is what we basically did for raspi for Dave | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet adjust fnordahl PPU acl | 16:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet adjust fnordahl PPU acl | 16:28 |
| sil2100 | Dave (waveform) was applying for PPU for some raspi packages and we decided it made more sense to have it as a packageset as more people might want to have the same upload rights | 16:28 |
| sil2100 | So I thought this is our process - if a grouping makes sense -> turn into a packageset | 16:29 |
| sil2100 | The raspi packageset also has only one uploader | 16:29 |
| sil2100 | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/jammy/raspi | 16:29 |
| sil2100 | But I agree, it's faster this way | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | yeah, i don't really know what the specific process is, that probably would be a good thing to have a bigger discussion about and write down in official docs | 16:29 |
| seb128 | that sounds a discussion we should have, but not here today | 16:29 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | to figure out exactly when we shoudl create packageset vs ppu | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | yep | 16:29 |
| seb128 | +1 | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | should i put an action for that? | 16:30 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:30 |
| sil2100 | Can you assign it to me? | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | sure | 16:30 |
| sil2100 | Thanks! | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #action sil2100 start discussion on process/rules for when to create packageset vs PPU | 16:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 start discussion on process/rules for when to create packageset vs PPU | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | thanks! | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | ok lemme check agenda | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | oh wow that took longer than i thought, we do actually have another applicant today | 16:31 |
| athos | :) | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #topic Athos Ribeiro application for MOTU | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | sorry for the delay athos :) | 16:31 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | athos can you introduce yourself? | 16:31 |
| athos | sure! | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AthosRibeiro/MOTUDeveloperApplication | 16:31 |
| athos | Hello everyone! I am Athos, I worf for the Canonical server team. Up until now, my main focus was to maintain our OCI images. For the kk cycle, I will be working on php and postgresql, the former being the main reason for requesting MOTU today :) | 16:32 |
| rbasak_remote | Athos is a colleague on my team so as usual (for me in this situation) I intend to abstain unless everyone else is +3 and my +1 is need for quorum. So I might use this opportunity to drive home. I'll be out ~20 minutes and then back to normal to vote if needed. | 16:33 |
| kanashiro | same for me ^ | 16:33 |
| kanashiro | but I am not driving home :) | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | let's open it for any questions then, though i assume you 2 on the same team know athos well enough not to have any questions :) | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | Sponsorship miner link: https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Athos+Ribeiro&sponsoree_search=name | 16:34 |
| sil2100 | I still need a moment to browse through the application | 16:37 |
| seb128 | no question from me | 16:37 |
| sil2100 | athos: since you are applying for MOTU with driving transitions in mind, can you tell me what is a transition in the Ubuntu archive? How does one trigger a transition? | 16:40 |
| athos | Interestingly, I haven't seen a formal definition of what a transition is around the docs :) My understanding if it is when you build a package that will have rebuilds for it's reverse dependencies depend on different binaries; or, | 16:43 |
| athos | s/understanding if/understanding of it/ | 16:44 |
| sil2100 | Can you give an example of how one could start a transition? | 16:46 |
| athos | e.g., I am working on php-psr-log 3 right now, and it fails to migrate because civicrm in the archive depends on version 1 of that package; A simple rebuild of that package was tried in the past, but some metadata will need to change so the final binary package depends on the correct version of php-psr-log. | 16:48 |
| athos | This transition started when php-psr-log 3 was built and pushed to proposed | 16:48 |
| athos | as discussed recently, it is nice to send an email in the devel list boore starting it so everyone is in sync :) | 16:49 |
| athos | s/boore/before/ | 16:49 |
| * rbasak is back | 16:50 | |
| ddstreet | sil2100 any more q? just checking as we're approaching the hour | 16:51 |
| seb128 | (side note since I'm new and trying to figure out how things work around here, I will probably bring that up later/on the list/offband, but should we review the applications before the meeting? it feels suboptimal having a 10 min blank after the application summary for people to go read the reference) | 16:52 |
| sil2100 | hmm, I could ask some more questions about the transitions | 16:52 |
| ddstreet | not trying to rush, and i personally am able to stay past the hour | 16:52 |
| sil2100 | seb128: we should! But it frequently happens that for instance I don't manage to do that in time, sadly! | 16:52 |
| seb128 | I need to wrap at the hour sorry | 16:53 |
| sil2100 | Ok, no questions then | 16:53 |
| ddstreet | ok last call for q then before moving to the vote | 16:53 |
| seb128 | don't let me sidetrack the remaining of the meeting with my remark, I will raise that later in another way, it's also one meeting so I don't know how much that's a unlucky instance or if we a process issue to address | 16:54 |
| seb128 | still no question from me | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | seb128 i completely agree, and there was some ML discussion last year around this you might be interested in reading for past context | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | but definitely i agree we should continue the discussion about it | 16:55 |
| ddstreet | ok let's vote | 16:55 |
| ddstreet | #vote Grant Athos Ribeiro MOTU | 16:55 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant Athos Ribeiro MOTU | 16:55 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') | 16:55 |
| seb128 | +1 | 16:55 |
| meetingology | +1 received from seb128 | 16:55 |
| ddstreet | +1 as before with ubuntu-server team acl, happy with technical work and process understanding, no concerns for MOTU | 16:55 |
| meetingology | +1 as before with ubuntu-server team acl, happy with technical work and process understanding, no concerns for MOTU received from ddstreet | 16:55 |
| sil2100 | +1 (although be sure to familiarize yourself on how library transitions are started, thinking about sonames there!) | 16:56 |
| meetingology | +1 (although be sure to familiarize yourself on how library transitions are started, thinking about sonames there!) received from sil2100 | 16:56 |
| ddstreet | kanashiro rbasak around to vote? | 16:56 |
| rbasak | Yes. Are we the only two left? | 16:56 |
| rbasak | (who are here) | 16:56 |
| rbasak | I think so? | 16:56 |
| kanashiro | +1 to reach quorum | 16:56 |
| meetingology | +1 to reach quorum received from kanashiro | 16:56 |
| sil2100 | I think we have a + 3 situation and 2 people remaining that are from the server team | 16:56 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 16:56 |
| rbasak | OK | 16:56 |
| rbasak | +1 to reach quorum (see abstention note above) | 16:57 |
| meetingology | +1 to reach quorum (see abstention note above) received from rbasak | 16:57 |
| ddstreet | #endvote | 16:57 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant Athos Ribeiro MOTU | 16:57 |
| meetingology | Votes for: 5, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 | 16:57 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 16:57 |
| ddstreet | congrats athos! | 16:57 |
| sil2100 | athos: congratulations! | 16:57 |
| sergiodj | congratulations, athos! | 16:57 |
| schopin | athos: \o/ | 16:57 |
| kanashiro | congrats athos :) | 16:57 |
| sil2100 | DOes one of the newcomers want the action item of handling athos's application? | 16:57 |
| ddstreet | kanashiro as athos is on your team, do you want to take the action to announce and adjust acl? | 16:57 |
| seb128 | congrats athos! | 16:57 |
| kanashiro | ddstreet, sure, I can do that | 16:57 |
| sil2100 | Might be a good training opportunity! | 16:57 |
| kanashiro | indeed | 16:58 |
| ddstreet | #action kanashiro announce athos successful application | 16:58 |
| meetingology | ACTION: kanashiro announce athos successful application | 16:58 |
| rbasak | Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_application | 16:58 |
| ddstreet | #action kanashiro adjust athos ACL for MOTU | 16:58 |
| meetingology | ACTION: kanashiro adjust athos ACL for MOTU | 16:58 |
| ddstreet | ok moving on, there is a delegated team application (submitted by me) but scheduled for the next meeting, so i'll skip it today | 16:59 |
| ddstreet | there are also AOB items added for discussion by me, but we're at the hour so | 16:59 |
| ddstreet | does anyone want to continue discussion now or defer these to next meeting and/or ML? | 16:59 |
| rbasak | Can we bump them to the next meeting for discussion please? | 17:00 |
| rbasak | However I encourage ddstreet to raise them on the ML first. | 17:00 |
| ddstreet | ok let's defer to next meeting, that's all then, thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 17:00:20 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-04-04-16.07.moin.txt | 17:00 |
| rbasak | I already started a thread on one of them. | 17:00 |
| sil2100 | Maybe let's continue on the ML and, if it goes too slow, we can move them to the next meeting | 17:00 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: thank you for chairing! Sorry for the late notice o/ | 17:00 |
| ddstreet | no prob | 17:00 |
| kanashiro | ddstreet, thanks for chairing | 17:01 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:01 |
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