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[03:44] <KBar> Hi. Has jammy been pushed to beta? 
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> yes
[03:48] <KBar> Thanks. Fantastic job, folks!
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-testing-week/27491
[08:26] <enyc> hrrm, Ubuntu 22.04  presumably won't have next  Thunderbird-ESR series ?? 102? 103?  with Matrix support?
[08:33] <alkisg> enyc: ah thanks for the pointer, I didn't know about matrix support in thunderbird! Thunderbird gets updated regularly so it'll get the update eventually. For now, I'll try enabling it from the config editor: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/mozilla-thunderbird
[08:40] <enyc> alkisg: hrrm well aiui its more experimental in earlier versions...  curious what you find out about  when next ESR would be declared and all that please =)
[08:40] <alkisg> enyc: no idea about ESR versions, but I've been using thunderbird in ubuntu for ages, and it's been updating regularly to newer versions
[08:41] <alkisg> (the normal, non-esr version)
[08:44] <alkisg> enyc: example: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=thunderbird ==> focal shipped with version 68, while focal-updates currently has version 91
[08:49] <alkisg> Hmm I added my matrix account and it says it authenticated, but I can't locate the UI to send messages... And whatever I put in `Tools > Join chat` doesn't seem to do anything; I wonder if I'm using the wrong string for the channels I add there
[08:56] <enyc> alkisg: how updatincg to newer versions?  a PPA?  flatpak?  snap?  upstream binaries?
[08:56] <enyc> alkisg: I'd be tempted to try  Matrix Element native client first ............
[09:03] <alkisg> enyc: it's normal apt ubuntu updates without doing anything at all
[09:03] <alkisg> Like any other .deb ubuntu program
[09:03] <enyc> alkisg: which thunderbird version is it then?
[09:03] <alkisg> Currently 91, and later on, newer versions will arrive
[09:04] <alkisg> See the link that I pasted above
[09:05] <enyc> alkisg: hrrm aah yes as per pkg databaes,  well the thing is the versions mozilla provide and ubuntu provide seem to be  91.x ESR series
[09:05] <enyc> whereas matrix development and exposure seems to be in newer 'series'  102 etc
[09:06] <enyc> https://developer.thunderbird.net/planning/roadmap
[09:11] <alkisg> We'll just wait a while then :)
[10:29] <Nart> Hello everyone, I have a question about locale support in 22.04
[10:34] <rdr> do go on
[10:55] <Nart>  Thank you, I added to the Abkhazian language to glibc 2.35 and Gnome 42, but I couldn't pick the language in 22.04
[10:55] <Nart> language code is abkhaz - ab
[11:00] <rdr> do you mean during the install? or as your input method?
[11:01] <Nart> During the install, and as input method, both, it's not there at all.
[11:03] <Nart> in glibc 2.35 it's ab_GE
[11:04] <rdr> hmm, there may be a specific package you need to isntall
[11:06] <rdr> i'm not finding any packages with that language code in them looking for l10n
[11:07] <Nart> Why it's not there?!
[11:08] <rdr> I'm not sure.  the only thing i could find was a team looking to translate for the language https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ab
[11:09] <rdr> there's only one member and no messages in the mailing list
[11:12] <Nart> I thought including abkhazian to Gnome and glibc should be enough to include it to distros in general
[11:12] <Nart> What should I do to include Abkhazian to Ubuntu!?
[11:14] <rdr> i think you might have to look intot he "ibus" input method
[11:14] <rdr> but even then i'm not certain it will have that
[11:15] <rdr> unless it's just a matter of installing a font and keyboard layout
[11:15] <Nart> It's not about font and keyboard, the localization of Gnome, the interface of ubuntu
[11:16] <rdr> well, i'd email the member of the translation team, but it's possible it hasn't been done yet
[11:17] <Nart> I am the translation coordinator for the Abkhazian team in Gnome, we translated 3% so far
[11:17] <Nart> We need to see how our work looks like in a real life
[11:17] <Nart> aka a distro
[11:17] <ravage> 22.04 is already in beta. i think its safe to say that your changes will not make it into this release
[11:19] <ravage> and Ubuntu only does "small" changes to Gnome. so when your language is in gnome Ubuntu will pick it up in one of the next releases
[11:20] <Nart> This has been quite some time, that's why I am asking, it should've picked it up in this release
[11:20] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/Igid9wS.png this is my current 22.04 
[11:21] <Nart> How does this work, how is I know for sure what's going on
[11:21] <ravage> did you try to just install it?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> we also have an #ubuntu-translators team if needed
[11:22] <Nart> The point is to get it supported, I can install it, but ordinary people cant
[11:23] <Nart> I need to hear from the Ubuntu team, please!
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> Nart: talk to gunnarHJ in #ubuntu-translators he knows a lot on languages & translating issues
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> idle there till he wakes up
[11:26] <Nart> Hmm okay, thanks
[11:26] <ravage> also it looks like the language exists in gnome. so what you are asking is a translation of the installer to select it?
[11:27] <ravage> just so he knows what you actually want to be translated by the ubuntu team.
[11:28] <Nart> I want to able to select the language from the installer or from the language support settings
[11:28] <ravage> the language is available in gnome in 22.04 as you can see
[11:29] <ravage> but the installer does not support it yet
[11:29] <Nart>   > the language is available in gnome in 22.04 as you can see
[11:29] <Nart> Do you have a screenshot?
[11:29] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/Igid9wS.png
[11:30] <Nart> This is not it
[11:30] <ravage> ok?
[11:31] <ravage> sorry then :)
[11:31] <Nart> This is not it, what you are showing me has nothing man
[11:31] <ravage> but im pretty sure Ubuntu does not do a lot of gnome translations itself
[11:34] <ravage> #ubuntu-translators is a good way to ask for help. so do what lotuspsychje said
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> he joined, but gunnar has still to wakeup :p
[11:34] <ravage> damn timezones
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[11:35] <Nart> Okay
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> he helped me point to some dutch items on jammy to translate
[11:35] <ravage> in gnome itself or the installer?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> in gnome shell yeah, right mouse click desktop had some english items still
[11:37] <ravage> ok. sure. gnome-shell is an Ubuntu thing :)
[11:48] <Nart> Thank you, bye bye
[11:48] <ravage> heh. going offline is not the best way to get help :D
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> fix commit bug #1965673
[14:48] <ubottu> Bug 1965673 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Object 0x... of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965673
[20:59] <howarth> Anyone else seeing corruption in Cheese under 22.04?
[21:00] <howarth> A lot of buffers are being dropped
[21:00] <howarth> No problem under 21.10
[21:02] <tarzeau> which camera?
[21:03] <tarzeau> if you start it from a terminal, do you get any output? anything in dmesg output?
[21:05] <howarth> Logitech, Inc. HD Webcam C525
[21:05] <howarth> cheese:4028): cheese-WARNING **: 17:00:04.925: A lot of buffers are being dropped.: ../libs/gst/base/gstbasesink.c(3143): gst_base_sink_is_too_late (): /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstViewfinderBin:vf-bin/ClutterGstVideoSink:cluttergstvideosink0:
[21:05] <howarth> There may be a timestamping problem, or this computer is too slow.
[21:07] <howarth> I tried adding /etc/modprobe.d/uvcvideo.conf with 'options uvcvideo nodrop=1' and it didn't help
[21:08] <howarth> It shows up as a black and white image with lots of vertical white bands
[21:54] <howarth> Tried the current Fedora beta and it has no video problems with Cheese on the Logitech C525. So this regression appears to be Ubuntu specific.
[21:55] <howarth> Of course, the current Fedora beta is on the 5.17 kernel rather than 5.15.
[21:57] <howarth> Probably yet more regressions have to be fixed after they are backported from the latest kernel releases.
[22:02] <guiverc> is there a jammy bug tracking document (yet) ?
[22:02] <howarth> Don't think so
[22:03] <guiverc> user on reddit asking about wayland/drag-drop not working on firefox; I can find bug reports for impish on issue; not jammy (fix released/committed)  .. & thanks howarth 
[22:03] <howarth> IMHO, the release is still in pretty rough shape
[22:03] <howarth> Things like the skype and etcher debs don't install
[22:03] <howarth> they fail with sandbox errors
[22:03] <guiverc> skype is 3rd party, so that's a microsoft issue..  I think jammy is pretty good myself
[22:04] <howarth> It nuked my 21.10 volume when I tried doing a distupgrade -d 
[22:04] <howarth> Ended up with a flashing caret and an unbootable system
[22:05] <howarth> The installer then refused to detect the mangled 21.10 volume as an upgradable target and only would do a clean install
[22:06] <howarth> No impressed
[22:06] <howarth> Not