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[12:57] <semitones> Do you think ubuntu will ever switch to flatpak, like they did with Mir->Wayland, and Unity->Gnome3
[13:09] <EriC^^> semitones: i think unity an mir going from them was about the phone-endeavor shutting down, they wanted initially to make phones and mir and unity were a big part of it, afaik
[13:10] <semitones> and I guess snaps still make a lot of sense for them for containerized apps in servers, regardless of what is happening on desktop
[13:15] <EriC^^> aha
[13:16] <EriC^^> no idea what flatpaks are tbh
[13:17] <semitones> it is the implementation of containerized apps that the other distros use, like Steam OS
[13:18] <EriC^^> i see
[13:20] <leftyfb> semitones: to be clear, other distro's support flatpak in the same way ubuntu supports it, just like snap. I don't know of a single distro that is only based on flatpak. They all have some underlying package manager it's built on that isn't flatpak. SteamOS is based on Debian which uses deb/dpkg but also support flatpak, just like ubuntu 
[13:20] <semitones> i thought the other distros installed flathub by default, where ubuntu installs the snap store by default
[13:21] <semitones> flathub or other software centers, i don't really know
[13:21] <leftyfb> some do, some don't. Just like snap
[13:46] <ogra> semitones, snaps are massively used commercially by canonical customers since 2015 (long before flatpak even existed), i doubt you will see them, go away as long as customers pay for it 
[13:47] <leftyfb> unlike flakpak, there's an entire OS built on only snap for packages 
[13:47] <ogra> also there is the whole Ubuntu Core product line that is completely built from snaps (kernel, rootfs, even the bootloader is a snap there), that is commercially successful in industrial, IoT, embedded, robotics, digital signage etc etc ... 
[13:47] <ogra> heh leftyfb beats me 🙂
[13:48] <leftyfb> I have 38 snaps installed on my main worksation. zero flatpaks 
[13:48] <ogra> flatpaks are a noce delivery mechanism for some desktop apps ... but totally not comparable to snaps which are a whole packaing ecosystem 
[13:48] <ogra> s/noce/nice/
[13:50] <leftyfb> full disclosure, only 19 of which I installed myself
[13:50] <ogra> my laptop has 110 snaps .. desktop 82 ... 
[13:51] <ogra> and my house has about 20 UbuntuCore systems running ... one controlling the heating system of the house, one as my TV running kodi and a few DVB cards ... etc etc
[13:54] <leftyfb> lol, Kolusion just got banned from #linux for being Kolusion.
[13:54] <ogra> oh my
[13:56] <leftyfb> he's also been banned from freebsd
[13:56] <leftyfb> professional victim that one
[13:58] <leftyfb> ooo   tomreyn , you banned them yesterday in #u ?
[13:59] <ogra> yes, and they complained in #u-devel
[14:00] <ogra> (see backlog there)
[14:00] <leftyfb> I'm not in there, no backlog for it in my logs
[14:00] <ogra> ah
[14:01] <ogra> well, they joined and called people in #u retards ... then complained for being called out offensive 🙂
[14:02] <leftyfb> seems to be one of their goto words