[03:48] good morning === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn [07:29] good morning [12:03] good afternoon [12:27] Olá!!! [12:57] Do you think ubuntu will ever switch to flatpak, like they did with Mir->Wayland, and Unity->Gnome3 [13:09] semitones: i think unity an mir going from them was about the phone-endeavor shutting down, they wanted initially to make phones and mir and unity were a big part of it, afaik [13:10] and I guess snaps still make a lot of sense for them for containerized apps in servers, regardless of what is happening on desktop [13:15] aha [13:16] no idea what flatpaks are tbh [13:17] it is the implementation of containerized apps that the other distros use, like Steam OS [13:18] i see [13:20] semitones: to be clear, other distro's support flatpak in the same way ubuntu supports it, just like snap. I don't know of a single distro that is only based on flatpak. They all have some underlying package manager it's built on that isn't flatpak. SteamOS is based on Debian which uses deb/dpkg but also support flatpak, just like ubuntu [13:20] i thought the other distros installed flathub by default, where ubuntu installs the snap store by default [13:21] flathub or other software centers, i don't really know [13:21] some do, some don't. Just like snap [13:46] semitones, snaps are massively used commercially by canonical customers since 2015 (long before flatpak even existed), i doubt you will see them, go away as long as customers pay for it [13:47] unlike flakpak, there's an entire OS built on only snap for packages [13:47] also there is the whole Ubuntu Core product line that is completely built from snaps (kernel, rootfs, even the bootloader is a snap there), that is commercially successful in industrial, IoT, embedded, robotics, digital signage etc etc ... [13:47] heh leftyfb beats me 🙂 [13:48] I have 38 snaps installed on my main worksation. zero flatpaks [13:48] flatpaks are a noce delivery mechanism for some desktop apps ... but totally not comparable to snaps which are a whole packaing ecosystem [13:48] s/noce/nice/ [13:50] full disclosure, only 19 of which I installed myself [13:50] my laptop has 110 snaps .. desktop 82 ... [13:51] and my house has about 20 UbuntuCore systems running ... one controlling the heating system of the house, one as my TV running kodi and a few DVB cards ... etc etc [13:54] lol, Kolusion just got banned from #linux for being Kolusion. [13:54] oh my [13:56] he's also been banned from freebsd [13:56] professional victim that one [13:58] ooo tomreyn , you banned them yesterday in #u ? [13:59] yes, and they complained in #u-devel [14:00] (see backlog there) [14:00] I'm not in there, no backlog for it in my logs [14:00] ah [14:01] well, they joined and called people in #u retards ... then complained for being called out offensive 🙂 [14:02] seems to be one of their goto words