[00:00] <leftyfb> marchello: https://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/autossh-1.4g.tgz compile from source, copy bin(s)
[01:29] <conscious> text
[02:04] <anon> hello is this the ubuntu chatroom?
[02:04] <Guest6106> Hello
[02:04] <Guest6106> is this chat active?
[02:05] <sarnold> yes
[02:05] <Guest6106> I have installed Ubuntu LTS for the first time.
[02:06] <Guest6106> I did it because I have had a lot of problems with Windows.
[02:06] <Guest6106> I am an IT student will Ubuntu LTS suit my needs?
[02:07] <Guest6106> Or should I install the latest version
[02:07] <sarnold> if you're new, the LTS is probably a better choice
[02:08] <Guest6106> Another distro I tried was Fedora but for some reason when I launched Firefox and used it for a while it crashed.
[02:08] <sarnold> if you want to be more involved in finding, reporting, fixing bugs, or testing newer software, newer hardware, etc, maybe the newer releases make sense
[02:08] <sarnold> but the LTS is a nice safe choice
[02:08] <Guest6106> I don't play video games but I do have a Python course coming up.
[02:09] <Guest6106> I noticed Ubuntu does not come with Python preinstalled.
[02:09] <Bashing-om> !python | Guest6106
[02:09] <Guest6106> But Fedora did come with Python preinstalled.
[02:10] <sarnold> Guest6106: try typing 'python3' at the prompt instead :)
[02:10] <Guest6106> Should I be concerned about the python version?
[02:10] <sarnold> yes
[02:10] <Guest6106> of course python3 sounds like the latest python.
[02:10] <Guest6106> But just want to make sure.
[02:10] <sarnold> there's vast amounts of sofwtare written to use python2
[02:10] <sarnold> upstream python developers dropped it years ago
[02:11] <Guest6106> oops I did sudo apt install python.
[02:11] <Guest6106> and I checked version with --version
[02:11] <sarnold> but porting sofwtare to run on python3 is a pain, so not everyone has done so; there's been .. ten? versions of python 3, and they all break existing software somehow ..
[02:11] <Guest6106> it says 2.7.18
[02:12] <sarnold> you could install python-is-python3 or python-is-python2  to change what version of python is used when you run the bare 'python' command
[02:12] <sarnold> that lets you decide which set of scripts you want to break :)
[02:16] <sarnold> Guest6106: this is a bit out of date, but should convey the scale of the annoyances well https://xkcd.com/1987/
[03:27] <Maximali1t> is clamtk just a broke GUI? is it best to just use clamscan commands?
[03:27] <NeilRG> can anyone help me understand why my keys are so unresponsive in Grub?
[03:28] <sarnold> Maximali1t: heh it does seem entirely possible that you're the first to try running it in a decade or two
[03:32] <Maximali1t> sarnold: so is there like zero need for any type of AV?
[03:32] <sarnold> Maximali1t: AV things are nice if you've got a fileshare or mailserver for windows clients
[03:32] <sarnold> Maximali1t: but a GUI for an av on linux is probably not very common
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> Maximali1t: do you suspect any intrusion?
[03:34] <Maximali1t> lotuspsychje: no, I guess as a former windows user it always feels like you should have it
[03:34] <Maximali1t> guess im still not used to it
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> Maximali1t: keeping your system up to date is a lot you can do already on ubuntu
[03:36] <sarnold> yeah, keep up to date on updates, if you have openssh server running, use key authentication and disable password authentication, and don't go around clicking obviously dangerous things..
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> and common sense/healthy paranoia probably better then scanning your system daily
[03:36] <oerheks> write good programms, instead of relying on 3rd party stuff
[03:40] <Maximali1t> what command will disable bluetooth on startup? Would like it to not automatically be active
[03:41] <oerheks> in Gnome?
[03:41] <oerheks> just disable it in sound settings?
[03:42] <Maximali1t> yes in gnome, obv i can disable it in settings but how can i keep it from being on after startup?
[03:42] <oerheks> settings it is..
[03:43] <Maximali1t> yea its not there thanks though
[03:43] <oerheks> i am sure it is there.
[03:44] <Maximali1t> 'sound settings' does not produce anything related to disabling bluetooth on startup
[03:44] <oerheks> top panel, sound icon?
[03:45] <Maximali1t> negative
[03:46] <oerheks> i doubt it is not there.
[03:46] <Maximali1t> oerheks: i hope youre not mistaking my question for help simply disabling bluetooth
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> Maximali1t: you can try stacer if you like, manage your systemd units yourself
[03:47] <Maximali1t> Im trying to find a way to keep it from ever starting up in the first place
[03:47] <Maximali1t> lotuspsychje: I will look into it thank you
[03:50] <oerheks> under wifi ? https://i0.wp.com/fostips.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/gnome-settings.jpg?ssl=1
[03:51] <Maximali1t> oerheks: I think what lotuspsychje said is more what I was looking for
[03:51] <Maximali1t> thank you though
[03:52] <Maximali1t> It will take some tinkering but ill figure it out
[03:53] <hl521> Hey, is there a way to downgrade a package? I'm trying to downgrade Unifi-7.0.23-17288-1 to Unifi-6.2.25 so I can install a backup I just found
[03:54] <Maximali1t> hl521: couldn't you uninstall the current package and just build the older version youd like?
[03:55] <genii> Alternately you could just add bluetooth.blacklist=yes to /etc/default/grub and update-grub
[03:55] <hl521> eh yeah but that means making another container, installing all of the pre-reqs again, etc
[03:55] <Maximali1t> genii: yes! thank you
[03:55] <oerheks> Unifi is not in our repos?
[03:56] <oerheks> !find Unifi
[03:56] <hl521> Unifi is in my repos, you have to add it as well as the gpg key
[03:56] <Unit193> Urgh, Unifi is fun because it requires a mongodb from upstream's repo targetting Xenial...
[03:56] <hl521> Idk how to downgrade a package however
[03:56] <Maximali1t> genii: I would still be able to use it at my own discression correct?
[03:56] <hl521> at least in Deb-based systems, Gentoo is a bit easier lol
[03:57] <oerheks> apt-get install package=version
[03:57] <hl521> hmmm kk
[03:57] <genii> Maximali1t: I'm not sure if it soft-blocks.. if so you could re-enable it with rfkill
[03:57] <oerheks> not sure version is Unifi-6.2.25 or 6.2.25
[03:57] <hl521> that's intriguing, idk if unifi even has this in their repo anymore
[03:58] <genii> Maximali1t: Worst case, reboot and edit the kernel loading line in grub menu to omit this argument for one boot
[03:59] <Maximali1t> genii: thank you
[04:00] <oerheks> https://www.ui.com/downloads/unifi/debian does not show versions :-(
[04:10] <hl521> yeah that's pretty annoying, I may have to contact unifi directly since I have the backup file, it just refuses to allow me to apply the backup... https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012624134
[04:11] <oerheks> good luck!
[04:11] <hl521> thanks, gonna have to contact them tomorrow lol
[04:11] <hl521> anyway, peas
[06:55] <lisbeths> ubuntu 22.04 when?
[06:56] <oerheks> soon ..
[07:00] <blb1333238> kernel freeze is a week or so?
[07:00] <blb1333238> in a week ^
[07:04] <geirha> lisbeths: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule
[07:06] <blb1333238> oh, its today, thanks geirha
[07:10] <xu-irc92w> i already have it
[07:28] <jelly> I can't find availability of 20.04 -> 22.04 do-release-upgrade (without -d) on that schedule, does that regularly coincide with .1 point release?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> jelly: lts upgrades always awaits the next .1
[07:31] <luna> ah thats good to know :)
[07:33] <jelly> lotuspsychje, is that documented anywhere?
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | jelly
[07:35] <jelly> I meant in official docs that I can point a coworker to
[07:35] <luna> 20.04 > 22.04 Jelly
[07:37] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction it is mentioned here, search for ".1"
[07:37] <oerheks> same as 18 > 20
[07:38] <luna> good to know, thanks for the information
[07:39] <phil> clear
[07:39] <jelly> excellent, thanks!
[08:15] <Assault> hi. Im trying to run ubuntu 20.04.4 in virtualbox. It is very unstable, usually when I try to boot I just end up in black screen (after the ubuntu loading logo). Any ideas what might be the issue?
[08:16] <Assault> I know this is likely an Virtualbox related issue, but is there any way to see what goes wrong? Like, can i enable some log view when booting the OS
[08:17] <Assault> I have enabled "only" 8 GB of memory for the ubuntu VM, but that should be enough, right?
[08:17] <Assault> and 128 MB of VRAM
[08:18] <Assault> note that sometimes I actually get into the ubuntu desktop, but even then after working for a while the VM just hangs
[08:25] <webchat58> Hi how to set MPV to name the screenshot I take according to timestamp and not just count?
[08:27] <soup55> Hi, what channel would be appropriate to get help with Ubuntu 22.04?
[08:28] <Chunkyz> !next | soup55
[08:28] <soup55> Thank you.
[08:29] <oerheks> MPV taking a screenshot, and set timestamp? mpv is a mediaplayer AFAIK
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <v9fk> !code
[13:26] <NeilRG> how do I change my shell to zsh in Ubuntu?
[13:27] <NeilRG> I tried chsh, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[13:27] <NeilRG> when I open a new shell, ps -p $$ says bash
[13:28] <ogra> how did you use chsh
[13:29] <ogra> installing zsh and just calling "chsh -s $(which zsh)" should just work ...
[13:30] <ogra> (and indeed you need to at least log out and back in (or better reboot) to make it take effect)
[13:30] <NeilRG> ogra, that's what I did
[13:30] <NeilRG> oh
[13:30] <NeilRG> I didn't log out
[13:30] <NeilRG> okay
[13:30] <NeilRG> thanks, that should probably do it
[13:45] <NeilRG> for some reason my mouse cursor disappears in Ubuntu 22.04
[13:45] <NeilRG> but it's visible in the login screen
[13:46] <NeilRG> and the mouse is moving since I can click things even though I can't see the mouse cursor
[13:46] <NeilRG> is there anything i can try?
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> !next | NeilRG
[15:03] <relipse> This is showing up and I cannot get rid of it. Typing in the password does not do anything. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YQOlc6XW/image.png
[15:35] <jhutchins> relipse: Does root have a password?
[15:36] <cxl> Hi all, I if `passwd -l user`, how can I check that `user`'s password is indeed locked?
[15:36] <genii> Looks like this is a polkit issue, a fix is suggested here https://devanswers.co/how-to-fix-authentication-is-required-to-create-a-color-profile-managed-device-on-ubuntu-20-04-20-10/
[15:37] <ioria> cxl you should see an '!' in /etc/passwd
[15:37] <ioria> sy, /etc/shadow
[15:44] <cxl> ioria: thanks. any difference between "!", "!!", and "*"?
[15:51] <ioria> cxl, well, * means password never set, but i don't recall a double '!'
[15:52] <ioria> cxl, ah, probably ' account of an user  been created, but not yet given a password'
[15:52] <cxl> ioria: thanks :)
[15:52] <ioria> ok
[15:53] <alkisg> cxl: man 5 shadow
[15:54] <alkisg> It mentions the exact difference
[15:54] <alkisg> The result is the same of course, anything that's not a hash ==> the user can't login
[15:56] <jaden45> t
[16:20] <Ricardus> So I installed Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS on a Lenovo laptop 5 or 6 months ago, and everything worked fine, and then after an update, not sure which one, fairly recently, the audio through my Scarlett 2i2 sound chirpy and distorted. If I unplug the interface and just listen through the laptop speakers or earbuds with the 1/8th jack it sounds fine. This happens when I used a regular media player like audacious, or when I opened an Ardou
[16:20] <Ricardus> r or Mixbus session as well running JACK. The interface is fine because I tested it on another computer.
[16:21] <Ricardus> Anyone else seen this?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Ricardus: your dmesg log might give some clues, and /var/log/dpkg logs to see what has been installed recently
[16:27] <Ricardus> lotuspsychje, OK will do
[16:27] <jhutchins> There seem to be plenty of posts for that device + ubuntu 20.04 on the web.
[16:46] <olspookishmagus> is there a way to verify the boot options?
[16:46] <olspookishmagus> like you're into a running kernel and you want to see how was the iommu setting
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> define verify
[16:46] <llutz> olspookishmagus: cat /proc/cmdline  ?
[16:48] <olspookishmagus> thank you llutz
[16:53] <baldpope> for someone running 18.04.6, but needs a current version of samba (release is 4.7.6 compared to 4.16.x) how do I get the current version in the older distro?
[16:53] <olspookishmagus> ok iommu=soft didn't get that laptop's USB3 ports working... the controllers are Intel C210 and Intel C216
[16:53] <baldpope> or is it just abandoned and I have to roll from source?
[16:53] <olspookishmagus> any other ideas?
[16:56] <baldpope> based on this - https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=samba - 4.7.6 is the latest for bionic, but 4.15 available for jammy
[16:56] <leftyfb> !latest | baldpope
[16:56] <leftyfb> baldpope: jammy isn't released yet
[17:00] <jhutchins> baldpope: What do you think has changed about smb networking that you need?
[17:00] <olspookishmagus> can I "reset" a specific usb port? that port used to report my devices being connected/disconnected to it, but not anymore
[17:00] <jhutchins> olspookishmagus: Power cycle it?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Ricardus: feel free to share your found logs with the volunteers, so they can take a look for you
[17:02] <baldpope> well - more importantly that the samba 4.7.6 is 4 years old
[17:02] <jhutchins> baldpope: So what has changed in the last four years?
[17:02] <baldpope> as far as what's changed - I'm doubtful I'd find any specific new feature, but likely bug fixes and/or vulnerabilities haven remediated
[17:03] <baldpope> even just the 4.7.12 reports a DOS issue (CVE-2018-14629)
[17:04] <olspookishmagus> jhutchins: the entire laptop? nah
[17:04] <baldpope> unrelated - that's a cool feature - reporting the CVE in the channel
[17:04] <olspookishmagus> I'm looking on this: https://askubuntu.com/a/661
[17:07] <baldpope> jhutchins, I'm not intending to sound ungrateful for the maintainers, just asking what if I should replace bionic (manageable) or if it's possible to get a newer release in bionic (and how to go about it)
[17:08] <Ricardus> turns out trying to get into GRUB with this Lenovo is tricky
[17:08] <alkisg> Esc?
[17:11] <olspookishmagus> ok looks like I got either a misbehaving USB controller (on that USB dock) or a bad USB3 Cable, a USB3 Disk works flawlessly
[17:12] <jhutchins> baldpope: I guess the question is whether there's any reason to want a newer version.  Many CVE response patches are backported to earlier versions, so just checking the version number is not a valid check for CVE remediation.
[17:13] <jhutchins> I would guess that Samba being a large, complicated system for dealing with the absolutely byzantine structure that is Microsoft, and OS projects being chronically understaffed, it just hasn't happened yet.
[17:13] <jhutchins> baldpope: There may be a project mailing list that could show why it hasn't moved forward.
[17:14] <baldpope> jhutchins, specific to ubuntu packages?
[17:14] <jhutchins> baldpope: I would think so.
[17:14] <baldpope> possible, didn't look there tbh
[17:15] <jhutchins> baldpope: Is your samba system exposed to the internet?
[17:15] <baldpope> god no
[17:15] <Tor34> for info, im very new to linux, ive seen a few guides about doing this but they tend to assume more knowledge than I have
[17:15] <baldpope> admittedly, may be a moot point - but figured I'd ask before get too far down the rabbit hole on this box
[17:15] <Tor34> Greetings, im running ubuntu on a microcontroller (Beaglebone black). it has 3.6GB memory, problem is im running out of space when installing ROS which is necessary to me. Ive mounted an SD card with 30GB, but im unsure how to go from here. Is the best course of action to move part of the OS to it, such as USR? Since additional programs will from
[17:15] <Tor34> my knowledge be installed there?
[17:15] <jhutchins> baldpope: Do you have possibly hostile entities on your LAN?
[17:15] <Tor34> for info, im very new to linux, ive seen a few guides about doing this but they tend to assume more knowledge than I have
[17:16] <baldpope> jhutchins, only the users ;)
[17:17] <baldpope> possible I've jumped the gun - I should scan and see how bad nessus thinks we are and go from there
[17:17] <jhutchins> baldpope: I guess you have to decide on the return on effort, and the possibility that a whole new version may break pre-existing configurations.
[17:18] <jhutchins> baldpope: Does nessus do actual vulnerability tests, or does it just scan version numbers?
[17:18] <baldpope> generally the latter, but I haven't looked at this specifically yet
[17:23] <mostafa> Hello can some me help me...... i need List of Windows software and their equivalents in Ubuntu for complete migration to Ubuntu.
[17:24] <jonathan_> mostafa: notepad - gedit
[17:25] <mostafa> jonathan_: Thanks.. But You know .. i just need a full list
[17:26] <PTNapivoski> mostafa, I don't think there is such thing
[17:26] <jonathan_> mostafa: my point was, you may want to be a little more specific with your request or you're going to have a large list or recommendations to "Google it"
[17:26] <PTNapivoski> mostafa, search for "linux anternative to ..."
[17:29] <mostafa> @PTNapivoski:  @jonathan_ Thanks. I just think some one have a complete list.
[17:31] <jonathan_> mostafa: No problem, unfortunately, there's are so many alternatives to applications for Windows that the list would be huge.  I'd take PTNapivoski's suggestion.
[17:31] <jonathan_> Personally, my list would be short.  I'm in IT, but only use my personal computer for financial tracking and going to 2-3 web sites.
[17:32] <jonathan_> I also don't have an issue with closed source software so I utilize Moneydance for financial and budget tracking.
[17:34] <jonathan_> mostafa: out of curiosity, what's an example of software you're looking for?
[17:35] <PTNapivoski> mostafa, this may be some: https://brandcraft.com/blog/free-alternatives-adobe-products/
[17:37] <mostafa> jonathan_: it's interesting I also use MoneyDance in windows also used Quicken..Microsoft Money Plus...AmiBroker... @PTNapivoski thnks
[17:37] <jhutchins> mostafa: There isn't necessarily a 1:1 application correspondence.  Different tools do different jobs in different systems.
[17:37] <jhutchins> mostafa: Figure out what you actually need to do, and then find which OS projects have that ability.
[17:38] <jonathan_> I was a quicken user for years.  I'm still trying to 100% pull myself away from it, but I'm about 98% there...
[17:38] <jhutchins> mostafa: If you were to exactly match Windows capability, you'd miss out on a lot of what OSS offers.
[17:38] <jhutchins> jonathan_: Quicken is a tough one.
[17:39] <jonathan_> jhutchins: I hear most people say gaming is what keeps them in Windows.  For me it's always been that darn Quicken.
[17:40] <olspookishmagus> and it all boils down to a problematic controller on the USB dock
[17:40] <olspookishmagus> which makes me wonder if there is an index of docking station/enclosures <-> controller index
[17:41] <olspookishmagus> so one can tell if he/she is getting one working "A-Ok"
[17:41] <mostafa> jonathan_: Yeah True Windows is more good for gaming
[17:42] <ioria>  for the record, either moneydance and quiken (hledger-jak) are available via snaps
[17:43] <jonathan_> ioria: is moneydance still in beta via snap?  .deb is available via their site.
[17:43] <ioria> jonathan_, yes, still beta but it should work
[17:44] <TrippyJ> Hiya
[17:44] <TrippyJ> I think I need fail2ban or something, I have a bunch of weird stuff in my syslog
[17:44] <TrippyJ> A bunch of weird and sequential Yahoo email addresses are tying to use my postfix, I think
[17:45] <mostafa> jonathan_: Ok look at this i need these app on ubuntu ..https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/sysinternals-suite... I think I have a very hard time finding the equivalent...
[17:45] <jonathan_> ioria: not familiar with hledger-jak, but it's in it's 0.2 version...
[17:45] <TrippyJ> A bunch of weird and sequential Yahoo email addresses are tying to use my postfix, I think
[17:45] <TrippyJ> What is the best course of action?
[17:45] <TrippyJ> My syslog and mail log are like a thousand TB now because of this crap
[17:49] <jonathan_> mostafa: I imagine you'll have to do some digging yourself to find all the equivalents if they even exists.  Not sure about "BlueScreen", but I would imagine Microsoft would like to remove that application.  The Ps tool equivalents are somewhat built into linux
[17:50] <jonathan_> mostafa: You're better off contacting system administrators who are familiar working with CentOS or RHEL environments.
[17:50] <jonathan_> hopefully, not too many are on CentOS environments though...
[17:51] <TrippyJ> :(  this is bad I dunno what the heck is going on
[17:54] <hggdh> TrippyJ: it sounds like your system is being used as a email relay, or that you have been successfully attacked.
[17:54] <TrippyJ> How can I stop or prevent it? I literally just got this VPS
[17:56] <TrippyJ> "temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints "
[17:56] <TrippyJ> A lot of entries like that in my syslog. I am trying to troubleshoot another process and ran across this, I couldn't see my syslog if I wanted to
[17:57] <hggdh> TrippyJ: until you are able to figure out what happened...the standard default action on situations like that is to block internet access, or shut the VM down; then, forensics on it
[18:00] <mostafa> jonathan_: Thanks.
[18:01] <jhutchins> TrippyJ: Is your database accessible from the internet?  If so, why?
[18:06] <jhutchins> mostafa: I guess an hour is pretty bad lag.
[18:12] <Tor87> Tor34: how do i look at past messages? I asked a question an hour ago but was disconnected since then so i dont know if it was answered or not
[18:22] <enigma9o7[m]> You'd have to look at logs.
[18:30] <krytarik> !irclogs | Tor87
[18:31] <Tor87> thank you! :)
[18:36] <jhutchins> Tor87: If you have a system that's always connected, you can run a text client there in screen or tmux and connect any time via ssh.
[18:42] <Tor87> jhutchins is this answer about the lacking space on my MCU ? If so then im too much of a noob to understand the relevance
[18:43] <TrippyJ> Well, I did stop the server, and I seem to have stopped the attack, also (fail2ban and some config changes to postfix)
[18:44] <TrippyJ> but now none of my mail is sending and mail.log, mail.err and syslog don't have anything (although, I can produce errors by mistyping commands, so it is up and logging it happening, just silently failing to send anything:(  )
[18:49] <jhutchins> Tor87: Sorry, I mis-read part of your message.  If you're going to run a public mail server, you're going to get brute force attacks.  IPtables throttling, is a good defence, a lot of people use fail2ban, and I would strongly recommend graylisting.
[18:50] <jhutchins> Tor87: There's also sshguard, which is a new implementation like fail2ban.
[18:51] <Tor87> hmm i feel confused now, nothing will be public and theres no mail server, i want to do robotics on my beagleboard black, but it has very little space so its almost full with just ubuntu on it. so i wanna move part of ubuntu to a sd card i have
[18:52] <Tor87> ROS is short for robot operating system
[18:56] <jhutchins> Tor87: I shouldn't be on IRC today.  I was actually responding to TrippyJ, and was wrong about my first response.
[18:57] <Tor87> haha alright, now things make more sense
[18:59] <jhutchins> Tor87: I would suggest looking for beagleboard speciffic support and solutions, but the generic Linux solution would be to move the folder that applications write files to.  (I'm thinking that's /bin, but better to check for yourself).
[18:59] <jhutchins> Move that directory to the SD card, change the mount point for it, and hope you've got room.
[19:00] <p3lim> I'd like to remove all wifi-related packages, but when I try to uninstall something like iw it also wants to uninstall the kernel, why?
[19:01] <sarnold> p3lim: the apt-rdepends tool is amazing for this kind of question
[19:01] <sarnold> p3lim: some of the kernel packages depend on crda, and that depends on iw
[19:02] <sarnold> p3lim: take a look at the equivs package, it helps make fake packages to placate apt
[19:02] <jhutchins> sarnold: That sounds like a bogus dependency.
[19:03] <p3lim> why would the kernel be dependant on crda? makes no sense
[19:04] <sarnold> jhutchins: heh I was a bit surprised, too
[19:07] <jhutchins> sarnold: If anything, iw should depend on crda, and they should have  nothing to do with the kernel.
[19:08] <sarnold> hah I wonder if I did this wrong..
[19:09] <sarnold> ± acsh linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-99-generic | grep crda ; acsh crda | grep iw
[19:09] <sarnold> Depends: linux-image-5.4.0-99-generic | linux-image-unsigned-5.4.0-99-generic, crda | wireless-crda
[19:09] <sarnold> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libnl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libnl-genl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), wireless-regdb, iw (>= 3.2-1~)
[19:12] <TrippyJ> I prevented the attacks on my postfix :)
[19:12] <TrippyJ> But now I have to wait for my blacklists to expire :(
[19:16] <jhutchins> TrippyJ: Do you need connections from outside your LAN?
[19:16] <TrippyJ> Not for postfix
[19:17] <jhutchins> So tell postfix not to listen to outside addresses at all.
[19:18] <TrippyJ> Pretty much what I did
[19:18] <jhutchins> TrippyJ: You shouldn't need blacklists if all you listen to is your LAN.
[19:20] <goddard> if I installed plasma why can't i use ssh-add
[19:20] <goddard> do i need another package?
[19:20] <goddard> Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
[19:20] <goddard> thats my error
[19:24] <TrippyJ> Argh
[19:24] <TrippyJ> I wrote a .sh to backup my mysql database and mail it
[19:25] <TrippyJ> When I try to run it manually, it asks for a password. But when I put the password in, it thinks it is the database I am trying to access
[19:25] <TrippyJ> (unless I put the wrong password, then it knows and denies me access)
[19:33] <baldpope> jhutchins, so nessus is apparently just reporting vuln based on the version numbers, boo
[19:37] <Joel> is it possible with evince to sign a pdf?
[19:40] <jhutchins> baldpope: Well, at least that cuts down a little on the ones you have to "answer".  A lot of those will repeat with each scan, which means next time you can just skip them.
[19:41] <jhutchins> (Writing a justification for each one is a pain.  Having a proper Security department that handles that is really nice.)
[19:44] <jhutchins> Joel: You mean an internal signature?  I think Open/Libre Office can do that, I think evince is just a reader.  I'm probably wrong about both.
[19:46] <baldpope> jhutchins, yea - small team here
[19:47] <baldpope> in a past life with more and time and energy on my hands, I would have just rolled from source, but trying to buy into the whole package system
[19:47] <baldpope> thanks for letting me bend your ear on the topic
[19:49] <vimes> hey guys dumb question i guess, but should i plan on upgrading my existing 20.04 to 22.04 or do a fresh install? i searched around and it seems upgrading although possible can be problematic sometimes.
[19:49] <sarnold> vimes: upgrading usually works fine
[19:50] <enigma9o7[m]> Starting clean every copule years is always a good idea anyway if its not too troublesome tho.
[19:50] <ravage> but dont do it now. all my upgrades from 20.04 failed hard. wait until you get a notification
[19:51] <ravage> if you want to test 22.04 before release i would do a fresh install -> #ubuntu-next
[19:51] <enigma9o7[m]> Even after official release, you wont get update notification until the first point release....
[19:51] <vimes> of course. i am running a 22.04 vm right now, and it seems to be going okay for now
[19:51] <ioria> ravage, failed ?
[19:52] <ravage> ioria, in more than one way yes :)
[19:52] <ioria> ravage, can you tell more ?
[19:52] <vimes> i just got 20.04 last year i think. i have made some customizations to make it more familiar for my workflows, and i'm kinda afraid of losing them lol. perhaps i should stick with 20.04 until late 2024
[19:52] <sarnold> yeah, depending upon how accessible the machine is, the environment it lives in, the time you've got available to work on it, youmight choose to never upgrade it, upgrade it after a .1 release, upgrade it a few weeks after the .0 release, upgrade before release, etc. it's all up to you :)
[19:53] <ravage> the firefox snap migration fails, if you do the upgrade within the DE that gets killed and you get a blinking cursor in the middle of a half upgraded system
[19:53] <ioria> ravage, i see
[20:04] <yuzi> hi
[20:04] <yuzi> how can I change my font
[20:04] <yuzi> how to list the availabe fonts to use
[20:14] <Alys> Hello
[20:14] <Alys> I'm following the steps on here: https://ubuntu.com/kubernetes/docs/install-local
[20:15] <Alys> And when I go to bootstrap juju I get the error: "ERROR registering credentials errored cannot acquire lock file for updating credentials for localhost: unable to open /tmp/juju-store-lock-3635383939333230: permission denied"
[20:15] <Alys> This is a fresh install of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[20:18] <Alys> I feel like it's something with LXD because it asks me a lot of questions and the tutorial only answers 2 of them
[20:19] <sarnold> Alys: there's some advice on https://discourse.charmhub.io/t/error-cannot-acquire-lock-file-to-read-all-the-controllers-unable-to-open-tmp-juju-store-lock-3635383939333230-permission-denied/4082  that looks like it might help
[20:21] <Bashing-om> yuljk: "how to list the availabe fonts to use" >> See in terminal ' man fc-list ' .
[20:23] <sarnold> Bashing-om: due note that yuzi had no patience and bailed pretty quick
[20:24] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Ouch - me not paying attention again to my tab completion :(
[20:24] <sarnold> Bashing-om: it's easy to do, hehe
[20:33] <Alys> sarnold, I stepped AFK for a few. Thank you
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> hi
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> whats the pkg for texmaker
[20:33] <sarnold> Alys: does it seem related?
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> i did apt install texmaker but deps problem ?
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pillow/python3-pil.imagetk_5.1.0-1ubuntu0.6_amd64.deb  40
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> 4  Not Found [IP: 43.255.166.254 80]
[20:33] <thatpythonboy> do you get similar err
[20:34] <thatpythonboy> so i have ubuntu 18
[20:34] <sarnold> thatpythonboy: try running sudo apt update    first -- that package looks like it was updated to 5.1.0-1ubuntu0.7 in january -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pillow
[20:35] <thatpythonboy> Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS
[20:36] <Alys> sarnold, That did it. The tutorial doesn't explain that you shouldn't be root when running juju. Thank you again
[20:37] <thatpythonboy> sarnold: thx a lot solved
[20:38] <sarnold> thatpythonboy: nice
[21:38] <Emma92> Hi, which is best email client to use in Ubuntu FROM TERMINAL ? (text-based)
[21:39] <sarnold> mutt's probably the most popular
[21:40] <Emma92> sarnold: you recommend?
[21:40] <sarnold> Emma92: yeah, I've used mutt for around 25 years
[21:40] <Emma92> why is it not in software center?
[21:41] <Emma92> (by default)
[21:41] <sarnold> I think I heard recently that the software center only shows snaps or something like that
[21:41] <sarnold> I'm not sure, though :( sorry
[21:41] <en11gma> where can i find out info on portable devices that can run full installs of ubuntu but like on a chrome book or even tablets. like are there some tablets that can have official 32bit or 64bit versions of ubuntu and same for tablets.
[21:41] <Emma92> sarnold: ok, thank you
[21:41] <leftyfb> !touch | en11gma
[21:42] <en11gma> ubottu thanks alot!
[21:42] <Bashing-om> !info mutt focal | Emma92
[21:43] <en11gma> it dont have to be a touch version though. i really just want a full version and i would use a detachable mouse + keyboard
[21:44] <Emma92> will check out mutt and another one -- which is 2nd most popular?
[21:44] <sarnold> Emma92: probably neomutt
[21:44] <Emma92> it's similar?
[21:44] <sarnold> very
[21:44] <en11gma> i guess i just need to look for portable devices that have x86 or x86_64 support
[21:44] <sarnold> Emma92: the alpine client is very different from mutt
[21:45] <en11gma> and make sure no bootloader locked stuff
[21:45] <sarnold> Emma92: so if you really can't stand mutt, you won't like neomutt either, and maybe alpine would work for you
[21:45] <Emma92> sarnold: your rank is 1) mutt, 2) neomutt, 3) alpine - correct?
[21:45] <Emma92> (your preference)
[21:46] <sarnold> Emma92: yeah; I've never actualy used neomutt, but it might have features you'd like, hehe
[21:46] <Emma92> sarnold: ok thanks again
[21:47] <Emma92> :)
[21:47] <goddard> if I installed plasma why can't i use ssh-add
[22:13] <jhutchins> goddard: Because it's not a gui tool and has nothing to do with plasma.
[22:16] <rfm> jhutchins, both the other ubuntu desktops I've used (gnome, xubuntu) start ssh-agent as part of session, so it's not unreasonable to expect plasma to do it as well.
[22:17] <sarnold> jhutchins: well, it kinda does; normally the ssh agent is started during the xsession or xinitrc or similar
[22:18] <sarnold> jhutchins: I haven't got a clue if plasma does that, or it expects the 'standard' session management stuff to start it, or how goddard got to that point in the install. trying to troubleshoot all that over irc is complicated, and I don't know any of the moving pieces in kdeland..
[22:37] <Gallomimia-> dang PC turned off and hard booted not 10 minutes into using it this morning. is there some log file i can read to try to figure out what triggered that? stable since then. ubuntu 21.10
[22:40] <ramblebamble> Gallomimia- journalctl and dmesg
[22:40] <Gallomimia> dmesg would only show me infos for this boot?
[22:41] <wez> Yeah, generally kernel panics won't be logged if it causes a reboot
[22:41] <Gallomimia> i don't even know if it was a kp. i see no evidence to believe it was
[22:41] <wez> syslog may have some errors leadimg up to the reboot though
[22:41] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: Unfortunately log files are pretty much the first thing to fail during a crash.
[22:42] <jhutchins> sarnold: So ssh-agent could be considered a part of the GUI desktop, bu ssh-add?
[22:42] <ramblebamble> Gallomimia, as I said you could try digging in via journalctl -b-1 -r it gives you the reversed last log of the last boot-session so what you are looking for should be right on the top
[22:42] <jhutchins> I think we need a bettter definition of "doesn't work".
[22:43] <ramblebamble> jhutchins ssh-add iteracts with ssh-agent the trusted computer module for ssh nothing of that has to do with desktop
[22:48] <Gallomimia> ramblebamble, thanks for the information. nothing especial is jumping out. i guess i'm wondering if the shutdown was clean or not. it honestly looked like a soft reboot but i didn't initiate it
[22:48] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: Power dropout?
[22:48] <Gallomimia> next question: how are snaps normally updated?
[22:49] <Gallomimia> jhutchins, negative. UPS is present and functioning. screens remained on, would have stayed off if power failed.
[22:49] <ramblebamble> snapd will take care of that
[22:49] <Gallomimia> by itself? can i turn off auto updates and start issuing commands manually?
[22:50] <Gallomimia> wow this journal... i understand literally nothing from it =D
[22:51] <ramblebamble> Don't know if you can. I only use ubuntu on my work machine, and private setup uses flatpak if at all
[22:51] <noarb> did the tty layout recently change in an LTS release? Now tty1 is always a login screen, tty2 is my gui... but did that not used to be tty7?
[22:52] <Gallomimia> i think so noarb
[22:53] <noarb> I wonder if that's in a changelog or blog somewhere
[22:53] <Gallomimia> huh. mine's on tty2 today. this is the first time i've tried ctrl+alt+F# and had it work
[22:57] <jhutchins> noarb: That's been cooking for a while.  Nobody really uses six VTs, nobody bothers to direct syslog to tty12.
[22:58] <jhutchins> noarb: There's at least one scheme out there (part of systemd no doubt) that allocates VTs on demand when you try to change to them.  Sometimes it even works!
[23:01] <rfm> actually the dynamically allocating VTs came in when gdm started running the X/wayland server not-root
[23:03] <jhutchins> rfm: Except it also happened on non-gnome systems.
[23:05] <rfm> jhutchins, not doing it on my xubuntu/lightdm 22.04  here.  Pretty sure its the display manager config in control (the dm has to chown the vt before starting the display server)
[23:45] <goddard> sarnold: jhutchins rfm yeah I am even using sddm so I figured it would handle all that