[00:05] hello guys [00:07] Jasonwizkid, hi [00:14] whats up [00:37] i've now tried a few different ways of updating the kernel and none of them have worked heh [00:38] i've tried using a mainline script [00:38] i've tried downloading and installing the packages manually [00:38] cycling through the defaults in /etc/default/grub [00:42] jongsta: what are you trying to accomplish exactly? [00:43] i'm trying to install and boot into kernel 5.4 then remove all the other kernels from the os [00:43] jongsta: what release of ubuntu are you running? [00:44] 20.04 [00:44] jongsta: why wouldn't you use the latest 5.13 kernel for 20.04? [00:45] according to my boss, 5.4 has a much longer life support [00:45] !hwe| jongsta [00:45] jongsta: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [00:50] leftyfb: so my options are either go with the new enablement stacks or i'll have to update from 18.04.1 (or similar) if i wish to stay on 20.04 [00:50] where did 18.04 come from? [00:50] jongsta: I thought you said you were on 20.04? [00:50] i am [00:51] but from reading that link it says you basically have 2 choices [00:51] jongsta: stick with Ubuntu 20.04 and use the LTS kernel which is currently at 5.13 [00:51] either update from an old release or go with this enablement stack [00:51] ahhhhhhh, I think I understand you now [00:52] if you've got some hardware or software that doesn't work on the HWE kernels (a) please report it as a bug so it stands a chance of being fixed in the future (b) downgrade to the GA kernels after you've filed the bugs [00:52] leftyfb: how long is 5.13 supported till? [00:53] jongsta: the HWE kernel is supported for the life of Ubuntu 20.04 which is until 2025 [00:53] ok, i'm just trying to understand this HWE thing [00:54] i've been out of the game for a bit === conjo is now known as bloooob [00:54] jongsta: probably six to nine months, look at the nice graph on https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle [00:54] hi all-does anyone know what "rtkit-daemon[1951]" service is, and is for? [00:55] jongsta: you don't think of it as the 5.13 kenel, you think of it as the HWE kernel which will always be kept up to date for the life of the 20.04 releae [00:56] sarnold: that graphic is hard to read [00:56] bloooob: rtkit sets the priorities of some processes to realtime scheduling priorities [00:56] leftyfb: and the HWE kernel is comprised of multiple kernel versions? [00:57] jongsta: it's a rolling release [00:57] according to the graphic sarnold posted 5.13 is supported until sometime in 2022 [00:57] which would mean you'd need to update/upgrade it at that point? [00:58] you already upgrade your kernel every three weeks [00:58] jongsta: at which point, regular updates will update it to the next HWE kernel [00:58] or more often, given the way things are going lately [00:58] 5.4 shows support till 2025 which is why my boss probably mentioned that [00:59] oy this is confusing [01:00] sarnold: i don't think we upgrade our kernels that often [01:00] jongsta: that ust means when you run updates, you'll get a new 5.4.x-x update. As opposed to the HWE where you'll get 5.13.x-x updates until the next HWE kernel version is available at which point you'll be updated to that [01:02] i think i get it but i don't know how to convince my boss heh [01:02] security updates come regularly for both kernel tracks. if you stick with 5.4 it'll aywas be 5.4; if you go with hwe, you'll get whatever version is in future ubuntu versions [01:02] yah but i don't think we're changing ubuntu versions for a while [01:02] meaning like if you started with focal, when they erleeased 20.10 there was a kernel version upgrade... [01:02] this isn't for a desktop [01:02] jongsta: you can see the list of the linux-hwe-5.13 kernels we've published on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/linux-hwe-5.13 -- from august 2021 until april 2022, we've published around twenty new kernels... [01:02] and impish too [01:03] this is ultimately for a production product at work [01:03] jongsta: in 2023, does your boss want the latest 5.4 kernel or the latest 5.15 kernel? [01:03] i'd think the latest most stable [01:03] 5.4LTS is fine for majority of everyone anyway. The only one who newer are if you have new hardware that needs it. [01:03] whatever that translates to in regards to hosting our product [01:03] For stability stick with 6.4 [01:03] eerrr 5.4 [01:04] i just started at this company last week, still getting to know the product [01:04] enigma9o7[m]: and i think that's what my boss was leaning towards === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [01:04] but that brings me back to my original question, how do i get there heh [01:05] i've tried installing multiple different ways and unable to boot into it [01:05] I wasnt reading earlier; whate version of ubuntu and what kernel now? [01:05] If you install an older kernel, grub wont boot into it. [01:05] Without you telling it to. [01:05] jongsta: sudo apt install linux-image-generic [01:05] You can either select it every time you boot from advanced options, or recongigure grub to boot it. [01:06] That wasnt clear.. [01:06] leftyfb: already installed... [01:06] jongsta: install the above package, boot into it, confirm everything is working properly and then remove the other kernels [01:06] enigma9o7[m]: i don't have access to a boot screen [01:06] If you want to boot into an older kernel version, you can either pull up the grub menu during boot and select advanced options and select it. [01:06] it's in aws [01:06] sarnold, which version should i have installed in Ubuntu 20.04.04. Also if i see that pop up should i be concerned about it being used nefariously? read this and now am worried https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/6.4_technical_notes/rtkit [01:06] aka remote [01:06] Or you can reconfigure grub's default. [01:06] jongsta: instructions are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack if you really want [01:07] bloooob: ii rtkit 0.12-4 amd64 Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon [01:07] leftyfb: booting into it is the problem. trying to figure out how to do that the unconventional way since i don't have access to the grub menu screen on boot [01:07] jongsta: https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/revert-stable-kernel-ec2-reboot/ [01:08] bloooob: we fixed that CVE in 2013 https://ubuntu.com/security/cve-2013-4326 [01:08] RealtimeKit (aka rtkit) 0.5 does not properly use D-Bus for communication with a polkit authority, which allows local users to bypass intended access restrictions by leveraging a PolkitUnixProcess PolkitSubject race condition via a (1) setuid process or (2) pkexec process, a related issue to CVE-2013-4288. [01:12] thanks leftyfb trying the grub suggestions [01:12] not optimistic though heh [01:13] sarnold, i was my journalctl -f and saw a whole lot of stuff happening including folder deletion; may have just been systemd doing its thing but concerned [01:14] under the ubuntu instructions where it says " grub-set-default 1 " how do i know which number to use? [01:14] was just reading above thank you [01:15] bloooob: systemd-tmpfiles certainly can remove directories, I'm not sure if it logs about it though :) === M4he is now known as mahe [01:50] Does anyone have a recommendation for a snippet tool? Apparently it isn't installed by default with Ubuntu. [01:55] Urk: if i search for screenshot, i can see the Gnome screenshot tool which is built in i believe. also flameshot is pretty good [01:57] vimes: I installed flameshot, but not sure how to get it to engage, and can't find the gnome tool. Where is it? [02:00] can you open Screenshot from the Activities? or try shift + prt scrn [02:49] how do i switch branch from daily to lts [02:49] for sudo apt dist-upgrade === diskin is now known as Guest2040 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [04:24] what happen to yaru in ubuntu 22.04 [04:25] it partly look like the new adwaita theem === mike is now known as Guest3122 === Guest3122 is now known as Mike121 === mike is now known as Guest2219 === Guest2219 is now known as cid15 [06:33] hi everybody? [06:33] i have question [06:33] can you anser me? [07:46] What's a good place to start leveling up my knowledge of Ubuntu from basic terminal noob/code monkey to really knowing what I'm doing in here? [08:23] Hi all, I've got my private key file in my ".ssh" folder. It only works when I name it "id_rsa". What am I missing in here? [08:23] nicksantora: how did you tried naming it? [08:24] I've only tried "keys" for now. [08:26] nicksantora: see the ssh man page, there is a set of default identity file names it recognizes; if yours is not one of them, you have to use -I [08:26] * -i to specify identity file name [08:28] I see but, it is working on my friends computer without redirection. Does it have something to do with Openssh versions? [08:42] nicksantora: no; but there could be extra configuration which may specify particular identity per host etc. so that could be it [08:46] ok. Thanks mate. [08:49] Arguing w/ my manager that "no need to install an antivirus (kaspersky in our case) on our linux machines", she gave me this link emphasizing on a sentence in this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-antivirus.html.en --> "If you want to be extra-safe..., you can still install anti-virus software"; Is it true that an Antivirus can brings "extra-safe level" to linux servers? If yes/not, do you know any valid reference? [08:51] only for mailservices i guess, monitoring a system for intrusion is more usefull these days [08:56] They believe that antivirus can stop known ransomwares based on signatures. [08:57] today ransomware is made of modules, randomly selected per infection. so signatures are useless IMHO [09:00] oerheks: Yes, On mailservers it helps not to spread viruses into a windows domain; But what about Linux itself? ( I need some refrences. I found some great topics on askubuntu, but not valid enough to as a reference) [09:00] tons of pages about tripwire, IDS, snort, wireshark, and such.. [09:02] best practice are updates, updates, updates and backups. [09:23] yup; [10:04] hello, does someone know how i can create an ldap group with ldapadd with an autogenerated gid? [10:25] Hi all [10:26] I need to make my VPN stop a service when I disconnect from it. Does anyone with bash programming skills know how I can make this happen? I've got the start code working, but now I need the stop code working. This is what I have so far. [10:26] https://i.ibb.co/SKtVnM3/Untitled.png [10:26] Woops, well that is the start code, I need the stop code. [10:27] To make bash run the command if $IFACE ppp0 doesn't exist. [10:28] https://i.ibb.co/0M6TMtL/Untitled.png [10:28] Thats what i should have shown [10:29] Would '!if' work? [10:29] Xbar what vpn are u using? [10:29] if you use wireguard, it has a postdown command in the configuration [10:30] gunibert I am using Poptop, but the VPN is being connect to by GNOME3. [10:30] The client, that is. [10:32] GNOME 3 runs a script on disconnection [10:33] When an interface goes down [10:33] '/etc/network/if-down.d' [10:34] '/etc/network/if-down.d/' sorry [10:34] You put the bash script in there and it gets executed when an interface goes down [10:38] hello [10:41] Hi === zareem4 is now known as zareem [11:12] moha: Linux antivirus software is basically Windows antivirus that runs on a GNU/Linux. [11:13] It won't do anything at all to protect a GNU/Linux from malware. [11:14] That's not to say malware is not possible on Linux; it is. But there are lots of reasons why it hasn't and won't become a big thing. [11:23] moha, the problem you will face is that for every old-timer like me you find, who understands what viruses are, your manager will find ten marketers who want to sell her Linux-based antivirus software. And she has no idea who to believe, so she'll go with numbers over years of experience. [11:24] Your best bet is to find something that won't cause more problems for you. === jesopo is now known as jess [11:29] rob0: i think oerheks already helped that user pretty fine answering his question [11:31] Hi [11:33] Anyone know how to make 'telnet' use a certain interface and IP address, else just an interface? [11:35] Phalor: try #networking [11:36] I tried entering it but it gives me some BS meaningless message. [11:36] "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be logged into your NickServ account" [11:36] What ever that is [11:36] !register | Phalor [11:36] Phalor: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://libera.chat/guides/registration - For any further help, ask in #libera [11:37] CBF [11:37] But thanks [11:40] Is 'telnet' an app that opens raw socket connections? [11:42] Phalor: this is the ubuntu support channel meaning we try to focus on ubuntu related questions [11:42] lotuspsychje: No shit. And telnet is built into Ubuntu. [11:42] !language | Phalor [11:42] Phalor: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [11:42] No one cares, really [11:47] You can use the 'b' parameter to use an IP address for sending traffic through. It references 'b' for use with an 'address' in the man page. I thought this was referring to the IP address of the remote server. [11:48] Well, bye. [12:16] hi all.. may i ask how can i utitlize the shorcut key of gedit.. cant figure out how to insert date and time ,coz its only showing open & save on the top menu,and o & s are the only being underlined while pressing alt.. [12:16] using ubuntu 18.04 [12:17] i think both save and insert time has alt+s === denis is now known as Guest2263 [12:30] when im stil using 16.04 alt t+s was the norm [12:33] redhelmet, https://ratil.life/keyboard-timestamp-in-gedit/ [12:39] ravage, tnx,will this also insert date ? [12:40] it inserts the output of the command you insert into the shell script. feel free to modify it [12:40] https://linux.die.net/man/1/date [12:42] ravage, tnx a lot :) [12:54] Hi all [12:56] I am using the command 'telnet -b 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 25' and finding Telnet is not binding to the address '1.2.3.4'. Does anyone know why this could be happening? [13:00] Phalor, if it doesnt bind you get "telnet: bind: Cannot assign requested address" [13:00] then that IP doesnt exist or you do not have permission [13:02] Ok, I will rephrase what I said with real IP addresses. [13:06] I have found the problem. [13:07] I think [13:10] 192.168.2.1 is my VPN client IP address which is connected to 192.168.1.1. My non-VPN interface 192.168.1.2 has the same gateway IP address 192.168.1.1 to my mobile broadband device. Somehow, the VPN server is receiving my telnet from my non-VPN interface 192.168.1.2. I suspect this has something to do with two of the same gateway addresses. [13:12] I am still getting my head around it though. [13:14] Break time. BBS [13:18] bheaviour appears to have changed from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS. When a VPN was established in 18, I couldn't use my non-VPN IP but now I can. Unless, its still the same and the gateways are conflicting. I will change the VPN gateway when I return. === JerryGarcia is now known as POLO === POLO is now known as LordofLive [14:14] Bonjour, je suis relativement nouveau sous linux mint. J'essaie de faire un mint.iso bootable à partir d'une carte mémoire. Quelqu'un peut me dire si cela est passible ? === rud0lf is now known as We === We is now known as rud0lf [14:18] !mint | Guest2263 [14:18] Guest2263: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) [14:18] !fr | Guest2263 [14:18] Guest2263: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [14:18] Guest2263: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=63 [14:21] Thanks ! [14:23] What happens if there are two networks on your computers that connect to two different computers and each of those two computers has the same gateway IP address? [14:24] Can the two networks on your computer conflict with the two different gatewats? [14:25] Or does Ubuntu sort them out? [14:25] Do gateways IP address go to the gateway on the interface? [14:30] hey [14:30] how do i change dist upgrade branch from daily to lts === LordofLive is now known as STYNER === STYNER is now known as Guest2164 [14:35] I will rephrase... [14:35] Will there be networking conflict if there are two network interfaces and each interface connects to their own gateway which happens to use the same IP address? I'm wondering because my network card gateway and my VPN gateway both use the IP address '192.168.1.1'. [14:36] Or does Ubuntu handle them? [14:38] There is no clean, easy way for any IP stack to resolve network address conflicts. RFC 1918 is huge, so you don't ever need to use the same network address in more than one place. [14:39] What happens if it is out of my hands though and I can't change the remote server gateway IP address? [14:39] Will two interfaces having the same gateway address, even though they are different servers, cause conflict? [14:42] Or will Linux use the matching gateway used by the interface only, despite there being two interfaces with the same gateway IP address? [14:42] Sucks to be you. Linux can't guess which 192.168.1.1 you wanted to use. [14:42] only one will be chosen, based on the lowest route metric [14:43] What happens if you bind to a certain interface? Would Linux then use the correct gateway because it is the lowest route? [14:48] BTW I'd suggest that if you're not in the position to be able to change at least one of the conflicting netblocks, you are not in a position to accomplish the task you have been given. [14:52] I think it will work. I'm going to try it. [14:52] ip route shows there is a default [14:52] So you know which gateway it will use by default, even if they are the same address. [14:52] Lets see....... [14:53] yes, there is one gateway per ip range like 192.168.1.x ... [14:53] why would there be more than one? [14:54] oer. My home router and VPN server happen to both use 192.168.1.1 [14:54] Phalor: change your home router then [14:54] lolz [14:54] lol [14:54] Phalor: you cannot use the same ip space on the same machine. period. full stop [14:54] please stop trolling [14:54] lefty: That's an idea [14:55] oerheks you appear to have social problems [14:55] that is exactly what Kolusion would say [14:55] Phalor: another idea is to put a NAT'd network between you and the VPN [14:55] oerheks who cares [14:56] leftyfb: It already is. I am going to test the theory now. If it doesn't work then the VPN gateway is changing... [14:59] Nah it won't work. [14:59] Because it would cause problems at an application level. [15:00] Actually no it wouldn't, the application will use the default route. [15:00] BRB testing... [15:00] Actually it will cause problems. [15:00] Not trolling. [15:01] Phalor: please limit the commentary [15:01] What happens if network 1 wants to talk to the gateway on network 2, then how would it decide which to choose. [15:01] leftyfb we are here to chat. [15:01] Phalor: negative. This is not a chat room. It's for support [15:02] Phalor: as for your issue, you've been told multiple times, you cannot have the same ip space on 2 different networks connected directly to the same machine [15:02] Phalor: at this point, if you want to talk network design, you might be best asking in #networking [15:03] leftyfb I next asked if I can have the same interface address x 2 [15:03] *I never asked. [15:03] I'm talking about a gateway address. [15:03] Phalor: same issue [15:06] Phalor, you could take this whole XY issue to #netfilter or ##email, and it would be on topic in either place. (I mention ##email because the original XY question mentioned connecting to port 25.) [15:06] Not sure if I will have time to answer you, but maybe someone else will. [15:06] Thanks. I don't have SMTP issues. That is one topic I understand deep. [15:07] Thanks for letting me know about the channel. I will drop by later and see what problems people face. === jesopo is now known as jess [15:31] Its stupid how Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS gives these advert messages sometimes when you login, and then says read more and gives a URL. What does Canonical think? Its userbase are like RMS and browse the web from the terminal lol [15:32] Not sometimes, all the time :-D [15:32] Phalor: do you have a support question? [15:33] my sytem has become write protected as the drive is a bit corrupted I tried to add a usb microsd reader to try to save some stuff incase it won't reboot but it says it cant mount it to write protedted sytem or somthing its Ubuntu 18.04 [15:34] guest: got anything else other than an sd card? A usb drive maybe? [15:35] leftyfb you are really cramping this channel [15:35] I have a new ssd and usb addaptor but plugged it in it didnt show anything so I dont know if either are faulty as never used them [15:35] Phalor: you are trolling. [15:35] Phalor: I think you're confusing this support channel with #ubuntu-offtopic [15:36] leftyfb this is internet relay chat. People are gonna chat. That's just how it is. Acting like a cop isn't changing anything, people are going to be people. [15:37] I am using Ubuntu 18.04 [15:37] guest I would try it on Windows to confirm if it is faulty or not. [15:37] is this not the right place to ask for iany ointer or help? [15:38] Its the right place to ask for help. [15:38] I only have this machine and ubuntu I dont have windows [15:38] guest: ignore Phalor, they are just trolling [15:39] Phalor, but you did not ask for help, just trolling and ranting, so stop it or you will be removed. [15:39] guest: do you have any other storage device you can try like a usb flash drive? [15:39] Well, Ubuntu hasn't the greatest support for devices like Windows, so its hard to tell if they are faulty. Two things not working, I'll lean on you need drivers to get them running on Ubuntu. [15:39] !op | Phalor [15:39] Phalor: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK DJones el Flannel genii hggdh ikonia krytarik mneptok mwsb nhandler Pici popey sarnold tomreyn Unit193 wgrant [15:39] I'm just a bit lost with it and trying to back up some stuff incase it msees up after fix with fsck [15:39] leftyfb no don't ignore me, leftyfb is living in a fantasy world where he thinks all devices work on Ubuntu. He obviously hasn't plugged in many WiFi adapters. [15:40] guest I mean [15:40] guest, does disks utility not find any? then the usb adaptor is not compatible. [15:40] oerheks no one cares. [15:40] !ops [15:40] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK DJones el Flannel genii hggdh ikonia krytarik mneptok mwsb nhandler Pici popey sarnold tomreyn Unit193 wgrant [15:40] i did that and it said it changed stuff but not it booted and I can use it but it wont let me save anything or mount that usb micro sd [15:41] lefty you are a little beta male bitch "!op". Pathetic [15:41] Same with oerheks [15:41] guest: unplug the usb adapter, and run this in a terminal: dmesg -Tw # then plug it back in. Can you copy and paste into pastebin what shows up in dmesg when you plug it in? [15:42] I guess autism kicks in when you live in a IRC chat room and are out of touch with normal people. [15:42] Phalor: Kolusion: there's a reason you keep getting banned everywhere [15:43] leftyfb: Correction, FOSS arenas [15:43] The weirdo's of the I.T sector. [15:43] Well actually, most other channels have normal people in them. [15:44] Just a couple of users in here get excited [15:44] bye Phalor [15:44] Cya soon [15:46] oh is this the same person as Kolusion? [15:47] rob0: yes [15:47] leftyfb do you have any proof of this? [15:47] Phalor, can you stop it ? [15:48] ogra no. I stand up for myself when people talk shit. [15:48] Phalor, pretty please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere ... unless you have a support question [15:48] ogra you are asking the wrong person [15:48] also please watch your language w have kids in here [15:48] ogra sorry this is causing so much anxiety for you. [15:49] ogra you are an out of touch adult. [15:49] Phalor, you are misbehaving, insulting and attacking people ... i'm clearly not talking to the wrong person [15:49] ogra no, you just have a warped interpretation of social interaction. [15:50] Greetings everyone. Is it possible to somehow restart another (let's call it dependant) service B before my service A starts/restarts with systemd? Running focal if that matters... [15:50] I mean, service B should always be restarted, regardless if it's now running or not [15:50] Phalor, my interpretation of social interaction is completely irrelevant , we have channel and communication rules you agrred to when joining this channel, please stick to them [15:50] ogra you have assumed wrong. [15:51] ogra and I am. [15:51] ogra you sound like you voted for Hillary Clinton. [15:51] hid3: does this help you? https://serverfault.com/a/897014 [15:52] hid3, yes, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1024916/how-can-i-launch-a-systemd-service-at-startup-before-another-systemd-service-sta [15:52] hid3: Requires only applies to start, not restart [15:53] leftyfb: looks like sth what I still haven't experimented with, will give it a try [15:54] oerheks: I think I've already experimented with those options in my setup. Seems they start service B initially but to not do the restart of service B when I restart service A === pmb is now known as neverdimed [15:55] hid3, what 2 services exactly? [15:56] So, UFW blocks routed traffic by default. How is it able to tell traffic has been prerouted? [15:57] As far as UFW is concerned, it came from an address other than the real last hop. [15:57] Phalor, i know, but not going to tell you [15:57] oerheks, not some distr-standard ones but my custom written programs. They control some relay boards which I have developed [15:57] oerheks you should find some friends in the real world and start going out. Getting off on withholding information from a random over IRC is sad. === polve2 is now known as polve [15:58] Phalor: so you badmouth this entire channel, all of OSS and define us as "weirdo's of the I.T sector" and now you want our help? [15:58] hid3, you could combine PartOf with Wants, see the url of leftyfb [15:58] ogra where are you to tell your mate oerheks off for breaking his contract? [15:58] that's exactly what I'm going to try now :) [15:58] leftyfb you badmouthed yourself. Don't blame me for inviting trouble. [15:59] leftyfb when you act like a tosser, its only a matter of time before you act that way to the wrong person. [15:59] Allie I didn't see you in here. I hope you have been well. [16:00] Phalor: are we making threats now? [16:00] leftyfb do something about it. [16:01] leftyfb it must suck thinking you are in control on your high horse and that everyone is going to toe your socially retarded line. [16:02] ... when you meet someone who won't go along with it. === polve2 is now known as polve [16:03] I will be quiet now to not allow this channel to be trashed any further by your provocation. [16:04] Hi, how do you make fslint search only for duplicates greater than size X ? [16:05] guess I must put something in advanced search parameters [16:05] not sure how [16:05] fslint cannot, fdupes does [16:05] so I need to install a new program? [16:06] yes, like you installed fslint? [16:06] is it ok to have both installed or do they conflict with each other? [16:07] (yes i installed fslint, it wasn't there by default) [16:09] other question: where is a good guide to learn terminal / command line? [16:12] Emmanuela at the terminal you can type 'man bash'. [16:12] It will show you a manual of how to use the terminal. [16:12] :) [16:13] other question: is there an ubuntu email service? (ubuntumail or something...) [16:14] !member | Emmanuela [16:14] Emmanuela: Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [16:14] Do you mean an e-mail server provider or e-mail lists? [16:14] likegmail [16:14] Not that I am aware of, probably not. [16:14] Emmanuela, in short; no. member email service is just a relay to your existing mail [16:15] Emmanuela: http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php [16:16] which alternatives togmail do linux users tend to like? [16:16] Emmanuela: Gmail is the only free mail service I know of. Most domain registrars offer mail service for a fee. [16:16] Emmanuela: Given the crap you have to deal with to run a public mail server, it's well worth paying someone else. [16:20] indeed :( [16:21] We are off topic people [16:21] thank you all :) [16:22] This is for Ubuntu support only, not for discussing the inability of running a mail server. [16:22] Emmanuela you are welcome [16:23] So, UFW blocks routed traffic by default. How is it able to tell traffic has been prerouted? Does it check the kernel? I would think not as how would it know if remote content is routed. Is it in the IP headers? [16:26] Where is warm and friendly FOSS community I keep hearing about when I hear people begging Windows users switch over from double clicking the mouse to try out punching in 30 keystrokes just to open a Zip file. [16:27] Yeah not sure. I've also found #ubuntu a bit tepid lately. [16:28] I wonder why..... [16:28] ok I managed to get the new ssd connected and formated and it shows in files but when I click it it says Error creating mount point ' /media/myname/SAVESTUFF' : Read-only file system [16:29] How did you format it? [16:29] I'd do an `lsblk -f` to see where it is located. E.g. say /dev/sde1. Then I'd mount it manually. [16:29] in the utils disk utils to ext4 [16:30] I forget what the `/run/` directories look like in Ubuntu, but mounting in `/mnt/new_ssd` should work - [16:30] sudo chown $USER:$USER /mnt/sde1 # to get access [16:31] `sudo mkdir -p /mnt/new_ssd && sudo mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/new_ssd` [16:31] you formatted as root, so if you write as root it should work. [16:31] will it still make an entery with it being read-only file system [16:32] not unless something is unexpected [16:32] If the FS where you want to mount a directory is RO, no, you can't mount there. [16:32] i'd check if that mount command works with write access. if it does, then it's a matter of figuring out why the auto mount failed. [16:34] not sure if you saw earlier the drive seems a bit corrupted and after fsck fix it booted but became read-only filesystem and I just want to copy some stuff off to the new drive in case it won't boot after another fsck [16:34] Phalor: I've personally never found the need to use UFW. My router has some firewall which seems sufficient for me. Not sure how it works. [16:35] there was a nice video about it which I watched a few days ago about configuring it, seems like a good little tool [16:35] ednash: Cool. I am paranoid and firewall everything. :) [16:35] But I am curious - why do you need UFW? [16:35] Phalor: I can understand that! [16:36] UFW seems to be the easiest way to use a firewall in Linux, but I haven't tried firewalls from other vendors so there could be better ones out there. [16:36] Yeah my question was mostly on why do you need firewall at all :) I considered UFW, and liked it, but ended up not using it as I didn't feel the need in the end [16:36] ednash: Chances are your router is running some version of linux, probably derived from dd-wrt, and is using the iptables back-end that UFW is a cartoon front end for. [16:37] rob0: that isn't true [16:37] so the new drive is /dev/sdb in the Disks utility [16:38] ednash. Security problems can be found in software and bad actors can cause havoc inside your network. Firewalling everything can prevent the spread of bad things [16:39] guest: try this just to get your system to a point where you might have less issues backing up: sudo mount -o remount,rw / [16:39] guest, sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt ... then you can access its first partition there ... do not use mkdir or anyting, this will fail due to your running OS beaing readonly [16:39] how do I mount that on a read-only file system can you mount it as somthing that already there and not imortant or somthing [16:39] guest: mounts work just fine on a RO system [16:39] you can just mount it ... to existing mountpoints ... i.e. /mnt [16:40] I am getting off this. Its a major distraction [16:40] but you can not create subdirs for the mount in /mnt as the underlying OS is readonly [16:40] By ednash [16:40] Bye [16:40] ok I've not done it before but I'll give it a try [16:42] guest: to force read only mode use `mount -o ro ...` [16:42] mount: /mnt: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist [16:42] interesting [16:43] disk utility only shows /dev/sdb? [16:43] thats what came back [16:43] usually partitions are labeled /dev/sdb[n] [16:43] guest, then you didnt partition the disk properly [16:43] you mentioned sde1 ? [16:43] is this a new drive? [16:43] oerheks: hmm sde1 was hypothetical, didn't know what guest's disk was called [16:43]