[00:04] <carnophage2> i love you all.
[03:54] <webchat94> Hello. Anyone knows how to make Macbook Monterey Trackpad or keyboard work after installing bootable Ubuntu? I don't have any Usb mouse or keyboard
[03:56] <guiverc> webchat94, you've not provided any release details; nor if using a LTS release which stack you're using (using a later/other kernel stack may help the issue)
[03:57] <webchat94> 20.04.4 LTS
[04:00] <guiverc> ack. 20.04.4 (assuming desktop) with HWE stack so 5.13 kernel  (5.4 if using server)   I don't know anything about macs, but if easy - I'd likely try another stack via live media.. though if not using closed-source drivers both stacks (GA/HWE) can be installed & selected at boot, but I'm not sure it'll help much if already using 20.04.4 desktop
[04:02] <webchat94> guiverc Got it. Thanks
[04:04] <ddd> ciao
[04:05] <wez> Oh nice, we're in April now, new Ubuntu LTS vers \0/
[05:57] <OutlinedArc217> hi
[06:02] <OutlinedArc217> hi
[09:18] <aamu> Hi
[09:36] <yomismo> buenos dias
[09:56] <B1773rm4n> General ext4 question: Is there any feature which remembers or improves the speed of a folder size query?
[09:56] <B1773rm4n> Currently I'm doing a `du` every 10 seconds to check if and how the folder size has changed. But it's slow with around 2 TB of data inside
[09:57] <B1773rm4n> I would love to use some OS/FS features for that
[10:06] <BlackSilicon> B1773rm4n: perhaps inotifywait is a better solution for that
[10:06] <BlackSilicon> see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34957484/linux-watch-a-directory-for-new-files-then-run-a-script
[10:07] <alkisg> An alternative approach that might help some times, is to watch the output of `df -h` and do the math. E.g. if I'm cloning a 300 GB folder, I run `watch df -h` and calculate how much free space I should expect on the target when the copy finishes
[10:11] <B1773rm4n> alkisg Thank you. But the disk has several things going on at the same time
[10:12] <B1773rm4n> Actually I forgot it's a LVM striped volume. So I guess I have to replace ext4 magic with LVM magic
[10:12] <alkisg> Yeh then I guess you'd need a dedicated tool that doesn't re-read the whole dirs
[10:17] <pasiz> B1773rm4n: what you need to do after folder size is changed?
[10:18] <B1773rm4n> Starting downloads. I'm working with Torrents. And I delete the files via the torrent program from the hard disk. So if I delete a torrent which is 500 GB (Big Linux ISO) then it takes some time until it's deleted. It can even take 1-2 minutes
[10:18] <B1773rm4n> So right now as quick and dirty solution I check the disk space change and see if the folder size got smaller because the deletion process is still active
[10:31] <ogra> B1773rm4n, if you look for file deletions, then inotifywait is exactly the thing to use ... "inotifywait --recursive --event delete /path/t👋dir" will exit the moment a file was deleted in a dir
[10:32] <ogra> oops ... silly eoji plugin
[10:32] <ogra> *emoji
[10:34] <ogra> (and it will return the file name of teh deleted file on exit)
[10:54] <arno11> hi
[11:08] <OutlinedArc217> hi
[11:08] <OutlinedArc217> hello
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome OutlinedArc217 how can we help you?
[11:10] <OutlinedArc217> i do not have any problems now,thanks
[11:10] <Chunkyz> ot! | OutlinedArc217
[11:10] <Chunkyz> !ot | OutlinedArc217
[12:09] <clarkk> How do I determine whether my system is vulnerable to CVE-2022-0995?  https://youtu.be/dGdaNe9s3IY
[12:12] <oerheks> 1. why a youtube? 2. do you have kernel kernel 5.17  before rc8  ?
[12:13] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-0995
[12:15] <oerheks> likely you are not affected.
[12:17] <clarkk> oerheks, 5.13.0-39-generic   .  The video, because it's interesting to see it in action :)
[12:19] <clarkk> oerheks, All my updates are done.  How do I interpret that page, for my specific kernel version?
[12:19] <clarkk> I'm running 20.04 / focal
[12:20] <angel20o4lts> hello
[12:21] <cassius> Who here is planning on upgrading to 22.04 soon after it comes out?
[12:22] <dataduden> me
[12:22] <angel20o4lts> does anyone know how to fix the problem on ubuntu 20-04 with OBS? when he catches the windows he only sees nigga
[12:26] <oerheks> clarkk, i assume that you are not vulnerable. see https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-0995
[12:28] <oerheks> !language > angel20o4lts
[12:29] <clarkk> oerheks, ok, so for focal it says, "Not vulnerable (5.4.0-9.12)". Does that mean as long as my kernal is 5.4.0-9.12 or above, then I'm ok?
[12:29] <oerheks> yes?
[12:29] <clarkk> There's no explanation of how to interpret that page
[12:29] <clarkk> oerheks, ok, thanks for your help
[12:31] <kraiskil> am I reading this https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&keywords=python3.6 correctly: if I want python 3.6 on Focal Fossa, I must install it from python.org?
[12:31] <oerheks> kraiskil, yes, and then you are on your own.
[12:32] <kraiskil> I'm seeing it in my apt listing, but that is then a remnant from the upgrade from bionic way back when?
[12:33] <oerheks> only available for bionic LTS, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.6/3.6.9-1~18.04ubuntu1.7
[12:33] <oerheks> why do you want such older python 3.6?
[12:34] <kraiskil> oerheks, ok, thanks. And I'm a victim of "the industry" trying to make open source software user friendly :)
[12:35] <ogra> make a snap from it ... with "base: core18" it will automatically use python3.6  ...
[12:35] <kraiskil> in short, ARM compiles a cross-gcc toolchain for their microcontrollers. And since GDB added python support, the ARM compiled GDB doesn't even start because of missing libpython3.6
[12:35] <ogra> or create an lxd container of 18.04 and install your app inside that
[12:37] <oerheks> ogra, +1
[12:37] <kraiskil> ogra, thanks, I'll have to look into these options. I was thinking I should just compile gcc from source instead :)
[12:38] <ogra> that's surely also an option 🙂 not sure abut the user-friendlyness though 🙂
[12:39] <kraiskil> ha - I guess what constitutes user friendliness is in the eye of the beholder ;)
[12:40] <kraiskil> (but what ARM is doing, surely isn't it :D )
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <Emmma> Hello, which Ubuntu software recommend to convert mpg to mp4?
[13:24] <Emmma> (easy)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Emmma, do you mean mpeg?
[13:25] <Emmma> yes, sorry
[13:25] <BluesKaj> check out ffmpeg
[13:27] <Emmma> Thanks, what to type in command line?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> https://opensource.com/article/17/6/ffmpeg-convert-media-file-formats
[13:27] <Emmma> Thanks
[13:45] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/formatlab  is great
[13:48] <Phalor> Hello. I am configuring Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS and need some helping with interpreting the documentation for automatic upgrades. Here is the documentation: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/package-management
[13:48] <Phalor> There are two origin:archive pairs uncommented which are:
[13:49] <Phalor> "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}";
[13:49] <Phalor> "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security";
[13:49] <Phalor> Can someone please tell me what the first one for?
[13:49] <Phalor> Is it for upgrading the Ubuntu base but not other packages?
[13:50] <Phalor> The information is not clear.
[13:57] <Emmma> ffmpeg says:Could not detect TS packet size, defaulting to non-FEC/DVHS
[13:57] <Emmma> movie_75095_1080p_MPEG2.mpg: could not find codec parameters
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Emmma, think handbrake has the ability to convert .mpg to .mp4
[14:07] <Emmma> BluesKaj: Thanks, before I try that, is there a way I can give a codec file to ffmpeg? (there's this other codec .bat file, not sure if I can use it to make it work)
[14:07] <oerheks> have you seen my url? https://snapcraft.io/formatlab
[14:09] <Phalor> oerheks no one cares
[14:10] <Emmma> oerheks: Saw it now, thanks
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Emmma, .bat file is a windows batch file, not sure how to handle that
[14:12] <Emmma> Okthanks
[14:14] <Emmma> Is there an ffmpeg specific channel?
[14:15] <Emmma> yes found it
[14:19] <let-chaos[m]> Hi, guys. Is there a way to test ubuntu 22.04?
[14:19] <let-chaos[m]> I can't find any image
[14:20] <luna> let-chaos[m], https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20220410/
[14:21] <ogra> !next | let-chaos[m]
[14:23] <let-chaos[m]> great, thanks
[14:23] <luna> np
[14:37] <ceibal> hola
[14:38] <ioria> let-chaos[m], https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/
[15:15] <leonard> is anybody chatting?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> !chat | leonard
[15:15] <leonard> !chat
[15:16] <leonard> !register
[15:16] <oerheks> repeating factoids is useless within 2 minutes :-D
[15:16] <oerheks> and pm ubottu to avoid spamming the channel :-)
[16:26] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Im trying to recursively convert wma to flac: find -name '*.wma' -print0 | parallel -0 ffmpeg -i {} {.}.flac. CLI returns: parallel: invalid option -- '0'
[16:29] <ogra> gneeriiloeepdeer, https://linux.die.net/man/1/parallel ...
[16:32] <gneeriiloeepdeer> do you know if this command converts of simply renames?
[16:33] <ogra> did you read the manpage ?
[16:33] <ogra> it does only make the next command run in parallel ... like the decription at the top says
[16:33] <ogra> and has no option -0
[16:36] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks
[17:02] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I don't understand why this wont work: parallel -- for file in *.wma; do ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac"; done
[17:05] <oerheks> this part;  -c:a  ( -c does not exist?)
[17:05] <oerheks> gneeriiloeepdeer, don't copy random commands from the internet :-D
[17:05] <oerheks> https://linux.die.net/man/1/ffmpeg
[17:15] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, but the copied command worked in a directory: for file in *.wma; do ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac"; done . it worked in a directory. Why doesn't it work when I append parallel to it?
[17:19] <oerheks> good questopn, maybe you should limit jobs with -j?
[17:26] <ogra> gneeriiloeepdeer, why do you put parallel in front of the for loop ... that way you only paralleleize the "for" call ... i'd put it inside the loop right before ffmpeg instead
[17:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> because Im an absolute beginner
[17:33] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I believe parallel is not what I need: there is a directory and several subdirectories with wma files I want converted to flac. Does parallel help in this case?
[17:34] <gneeriiloeepdeer> parallel is to recursively rename files, correct?
[17:35] <gneeriiloeepdeer> darn, sorry: is parallel the tool I need to recursively convert files?
[17:35] <life> it is probably unnecessary
[17:36] <life> loop through files and a convert command doesn't require paralleling
[17:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> ok, so what command could I combine with 'for file in *.wma; do parallel ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac"; done' to recursively convert the files?
[17:38] <blb2188460> !recursion
[17:38] <john812> why not just use soundconverter
[17:39] <recursion> Yes
[17:39] <john812> sudo apt install soundconverter
[17:40] <blb2188460> if that command above is correct then I'd try parallel -a <<(for file in *.wma; do parallel ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac"; done)
[17:40] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oh
[17:41] <EriC^^> gneeriiloeepdeer: what you need is 'find'
[17:41] <blb2188460> <
[17:41] <blb2188460> instead of <<
[17:42] <EriC^^> gneeriiloeepdeer: find -type f -iname '*.wma" | while ifs='' read -r $file; do <ffmpeg stuff here>; done
[17:43] <blb2188460> ah no it wont work
[17:43] <EriC^^> *while IFS='' read -r...
[17:44] <ogra>  for file in $(find . -name '*.wma'); do  ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac; done
[17:44] <ogra> would by my take
[17:44] <EriC^^> gneeriiloeepdeer: let me fix some typos, find -type f -iname '*.wma' | while IFS= read -r $file; do ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac"; done
[17:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> wow
[17:45] <blb2188460> parallel -a <(for file in *.wma; do echo "ffmpeg -i "${file}" -c:a flac "${file%%.wma}.flac""; done)
[17:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you for all your input
[17:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> let me start checking
[17:46] <blb2188460> not sure about ""
[17:46] <EriC^^> gneeriiloeepdeer: that would recursively run that command on subdir files, and it has all the sanity stuff related to inputs vs for loops
[17:47] <blb2188460> but ffmpeg will consume all cores I suppose, so running it parallel won't help much I suppose
[17:58] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you EriC^^ ogra oerheks but what helped was john812
[18:16] <oerheks> gneeriiloeepdeer, HAVE FUN!
[20:05] <blahboybaz> I have a serious problem with my windowing system on Ubuntu 20.04 (I'm guessing its that). The screenshots:  https://imgur.com/a/Sw9zNhI  do not really show what is going on (partly because what you see changes as soon as you take it). At first I thought it was just a certain application causing the problem but found out while makking this short video:  https://youtu.be/IFcoclFwIdI  that it seems to be
[20:05] <blahboybaz> system wide. It happens almost every time after I boot up the computer. It's a new laptop (less than a year old) with specs that are through the darn roof! It has handled much much more demand of resources than this in the past. The video is the only way I could find to show what is really going on.
[20:06] <blahboybaz> Is anyone else experiencing this? I"m not finding anything on it in the forums or on the web
[20:09] <oerheks> blahboybaz, on what videocard/driver?
[20:10] <asuscyber> hello
[20:10] <asuscyber> hello, is this live chat?
[20:10] <blahboybaz> It just did it again.. I will have lost anything that may have been said during have to reboot
[20:10] <blahboybaz> asuscyber: yes
[20:10] <blahboybaz> hi
[20:11] <asuscyber> oh thats great
[20:11] <asuscyber> I have hexchat in whonix but hexchat don't work there so I tried this ubuntu instead, look at that!
[20:11] <oerheks> blahboybaz, on what videocard/driver?
[20:12] <asuscyber> btw is this the deep web chatroom?
[20:12] <oerheks> asuscyber, read the topic, ubuntu support ( solely)
[20:13] <asuscyber> alright I know but what I'm saying if u guys have a hosted link?
[20:14] <asuscyber> ima keep on moving bye chat
[20:14] <asuscyber> exit
[20:14] <oerheks> asuscyber, no, this is ubuntu support. ask in #linux?
[20:15] <blahboybaz> oerheks: I can try to check
[20:16] <blahboybaz> I'm not real great knowing how to check that
[20:18] <oerheks> lshw -c video, use a pastebin
[20:19] <blahboybaz> oerheks: This is what I see in additional drivers: https://imgur.com/a/Uiu2RUY
[20:19] <blahboybaz> And I'll run that command and paste the output here too
[20:21] <blahboybaz> oerheks: pastebinit (paste.ubuntu.com) is telling me I need to be logged in to view the paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3KnZtcxKbT/
[20:21] <blahboybaz> That doesn't make sense
[20:24] <oerheks> to avoid spammers and other people using ubuntu for not so nice purposes..
[20:24] <blahboybaz> ahh
[20:25] <oerheks> oke, what card is in use now, intel or nvidia?
[20:26] <blahboybaz> oerheks: idk but i want to use my dedicated graphics card (what I mean to say is I want to utilize the maximum performance available base on my options available)
[20:28] <oerheks> check your bios, to see if you can force nvidia over onboard intel?
[20:28] <oerheks> slow intel could explain those weird borders
[20:28] <oerheks> slow intel of not enough memory selected
[20:28] <blahboybaz> oerheks: Where might I find a setting like that in bios (generaly speaking)?
[20:28] <blahboybaz> I see
[20:29] <oerheks> depends on your bios, hard to tell
[20:29] <blahboybaz> I'll look around in there and see what I can find. I'll be back
[20:30] <oerheks> :-)
[20:48] <blahboybaz> I'm not seeing anything in bios related to video hardware that I can identify. After logging in I did manage to find this:  https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/version-460-nvidia-driver-stopped-loading-overnight-under-ubuntu-20-04/175374  in a search. But I'm don't understand what they are taling about well enough for it to benefit me (or even to know if it is realated to my issue).
[20:49] <blahboybaz> oerheks:  ^ ?
[20:51] <blahboybaz> "/var.log/nvidia-installer.log" does not exist on my system either. Also I recall updates pulling in nvidia driver updates several times in the last month or so. Just things I remember
[20:55] <blahboybaz> It looks like the 4th post in that thread the guy describes what worked for him but I don't know if that's even a problem for me
[20:56] <blahboybaz> I see this:  https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvidia-driver-470-does-not-load-correctly-on-ubuntu-20-04/189630  now too. Using the search term:  ubuntu 20.04 nvidia 470 video card not being used
[20:58] <blahboybaz> I also get: ~$ nvidia-smi
[20:59] <blahboybaz> NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.   (that is copy pasted from my command line)
[21:00] <blahboybaz> And I get: $ nvidia-settings
[21:00] <blahboybaz> ERROR: NVIDIA driver is not loaded
[21:00] <blahboybaz> ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system
[21:00] <blahboybaz> (nvidia-settings:8621): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 13:59:30.921: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[21:00] <blahboybaz> ** Message: 13:59:30.925: PRIME: Requires offloading
[21:00] <blahboybaz> ** Message: 13:59:30.925: PRIME: is it supported? yes
[21:02] <blahboybaz> I'm so friggin tired
[21:03] <blahboybaz> I don't know how to do this stuff
[21:04] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: check in terminal>  mokutil --sb-state
[21:13] <blahboybaz> Jeremy31: If this helps (output of your command at bottom too)..  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/86b74mXBHZ/
[21:14] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: That driver can't load unless Secure Boot is disabled in BIOS/UEFI
[21:18] <blahboybaz> Jeremy31: Thanks. I have some screenshots of my bios pages. Can you help me verify that I identify the correct setting to change? I can past the page and setting I think it is if you would check it to be sure it is the right one - will take me a few minutes
[21:22] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: ok
[21:23] <blahboybaz> Jeremy31: Would it be this one circled in red?  https://imgur.com/a/Bciifuo
[21:25] <blahboybaz> I guess I know it is.. I'm not trying to be stupid.. just trying to be sure
[21:28] <blahboybaz> I'll give it a try
[21:29] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: That is it
[21:49] <blahboybaz> Disabling secure boot did seem to do something (progress?) but there does seem to be some error still and I'm not familiar with knowing what it means. I have a paste:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDTkgN5GnP/  <--  comments at top
[21:50] <blahboybaz> Jeremy31: are you still around?
[21:55] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: yes
[21:56] <blahboybaz> Jeremy31:  Disabling secure boot did seem to do something (progress?) but there does seem to be some error still and I'm not familiar with knowing what it means. I have a paste:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDTkgN5GnP/  <--  comments at top
[21:56] <blahboybaz> Does that output (mentioned in the comment) seem off to you?
[21:57] <mybalzitch> blahboybaz: what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:57] <Jeremy31> blahboybaz: Not familiar with Nvidia drivers but I know what Secure Boot does
[21:57] <blahboybaz> ok
[21:58] <mybalzitch> you have two gpus in the system?
[21:59] <mybalzitch> I'd try a newer nvidia driver
[21:59] <mybalzitch> are you on LTS? try the HWE kernel if you are
[22:00] <blahboybaz> mybalzitch: I was having an issue with my windows loading (acting all crazy when launching applications):  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/86b74mXBHZ/  we disabled secure boot and I got:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDTkgN5GnP/  but have some question about certain output (mentinoed in the comment at the top of that second paste. I suppose I want to know if my graphics card is working as it should (drivers
[22:00] <blahboybaz> and everything else required working fine?)
[22:00] <blahboybaz> I can't get myself in over my head with complicated configuration or other that I won't understand the effects it did until too late
[22:01] <gateway32> try logging in with xorg instead of wayland maybe
[22:01] <blahboybaz> easy to say do this or do that but I'll be here where it changes all kind of things I never know what happened
[22:01] <mybalzitch> oh you're using wayland? 100% thats the issue
[22:01] <mybalzitch> esp on a 470 nvidia driver
[22:01] <blahboybaz> I'm not tryin to do trial an error
[22:02] <mybalzitch> blahboybaz: trial and error is how you troubleshoot
[22:02] <blahboybaz> sorry not trying to be a dick - just really stressful sitch
[22:03] <blahboybaz> mybalzitch: yeah for troublshooting but not for making changes (as though they were being done in some random fashion). What I'm saying is most changes will impact me as though it was random because I won't have a clue what it effects or how deeply it effects it
[22:03] <blahboybaz> What I do know is the kernel is pretty low level
[22:04] <blahboybaz> The only thing worse than messing w/ the kernel is messing w/ bios (and hoping you don't brick your computer)
[22:06] <gateway32> just go to log out, click your name and theres a button in the bottom corner select ubuntu on xorg then sign back in
[22:06] <armadefuego> @blatboybaz fear not you have help from this group/
[22:09] <blahboybaz> gateway32: I'll give it a shot in a minute. THanks for pointing that out
[22:09] <blahboybaz> armadefuego: thanks  :)
[22:10] <blahboybaz> I would still prefer to determine what the output I have questions about is indicating before making any further change
[22:11] <blahboybaz> I want to know what it means
[22:11] <blahboybaz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDTkgN5GnP/  (in comments)
[22:16] <armadefuego> @blahboybaz which "it"?
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> @blatboybaz: The paste says:
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> - You have version 470.103.01 of the properietary nvidia driver installed
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> - nvidia-settings says "GPU at BusId 0x1 doesn't have a supported video decoder"
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> - lshw shows Intel GPU (using i915 driver) and nvidia GPU using nvidia driver
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> - You have various nvidia-related packages installed
[22:18] <linux-phaedrus> - You have various nvidia-related modules loaded
[22:20] <linux-phaedrus> @blatboybaz: The paste says: You have version 470.103.01 of the properietary nvidia driver installed. nvidia-settings says "GPU at BusId 0x1 doesn't have a supported video decoder". lshw shows Intel GPU (using i915 driver) and nvidia GPU using nvidia driver. You have various nvidia-related packages installed. You have various nvidia-related modules loaded. Secure Boot is disabled
[22:20] <armadefuego> Is there a "model number" for the nvidia card?
[22:21] <armadefuego> It may not have a built in video decoder. or the one isn't supported.
[22:32] <blahboybaz> armadefuego: " Why is  " NVIDIA GeForce ...  Off"  in the output for $ nvidia-smi " shown in the linked paste
[22:32] <blahboybaz> " Why is  " NVIDIA GeForce ...  Off"  in the output for $ nvidia-smi " shown in the linked paste
[22:33] <blahboybaz> oh hang on I didn't see the rest of what you said
[22:36] <armadefuego> I believe, but have no proof, that the driver is checking if it supports a video decoder on your card.
[22:36] <armadefuego> A later card might have a built in decoder, but require a later driver.
[22:36] <armadefuego> A different card, using the same nvidia GPU, might have a decoder that not supported by nvidia, or none at all.
[22:36] <blahboybaz> linux-phaedrus: What would someone at my level of ability (very low) do to ensure each and every thing that I could benefit from in theat graphics card is healthy as a mule and working perfectly then? I mean to say to be sure that the graphics is being used above and before all else and that its in tip top perfect working order
[22:37] <blahboybaz> ok
[22:37] <blahboybaz> How important is the decoder?
[22:37] <blahboybaz> What happens in the current situation?
[22:39] <linux-phaedrus> @blatboybaz: Simplest for starters: Login at the GUI login prompt. Does everything look kind of OK? Try using (for example) a modern browser, like Firefox. Try browsing to youtube.com or another video site, and play a video. Does the video play fine, Try choosing a high(er) resolution - e.g. Full HD. DOes the video play fine
[22:40] <linux-phaedrus> Try to get your video card model (on the original box, on the card within the PC, else paste output of 'lspci -v')
[22:41] <linux-phaedrus> I myself have not used an NVIDIA card for 5 years or more.
[22:41] <armadefuego> the GPU on the card would not be able to use an assist to decode video (because it isn't there). mostly the driver will use the GPU to decode it itself, or it would be decded by the CPU. Those options would likely result in slower frame rates for some videos. If, of course, the video you are displaying has a frame rate that the GPU and/or CPU can not support.
[22:43] <armadefuego> I would hazard to say that a stream across the internet would not be effected. Maybe a high resolution stream off your Gen4 NVMe...
[22:44] <armadefuego> availability of a video decoder helps in some cases, but not all.
[22:44] <armadefuego> and, if your _CARD_ doesn't support it then you can't have it.
[22:48] <armadefuego> its like a basket of fruit. Some baskets might have an apple. they all have baskets. if you don't check if the basket has an orange then it should be a surprise that when you ask someone for an apple they say "there aren't any apples"
[22:50] <blahboybaz> Sorry I had a phone call about work
[22:51] <linux-phaedrus> @armadefuego: :-)
[22:52] <blahboybaz> everything seems to look and work fine but it's kind of like going to the mechanic and having him point out soething missing under the hood and then tell you driver around a little bit and see if it "seems" like it drives ok. When you don't know what the missing part does or how important it is you would still feel uneasy
[22:52] <blahboybaz> just getting caught up now
[22:52] <armadefuego> what we are calling a "GPU" (for the nvidia one) is actually a card containing a nvidia GPU. there are different people that create cards with the same GPU, but different features.
[22:52] <armadefuego> the card is the "basket". its not sitting on the table. the nvidia GPU is the apple (other people make other GPUS). some of them have a "video decoder", the orange.
[22:52] <linux-phaedrus> @blatboybaz: The difference is the mechanic has access to the car.
[22:52] <blahboybaz> armadefuego: thanks for the descriptions that helps
[22:53] <blahboybaz> linux-phaedrus: I guess you have a point there
[22:54] <blahboybaz> Maybe a better analogy would be texting the mechanic and sending pictures here and there  :)
[22:54] <blahboybaz> I don't get the feeling I should worry about it much
[22:54] <blahboybaz> at least not now
[22:55] <armadefuego> i try to explain it so that it make sense without _too much_ gobadly-gook_.
[22:56] <blahboybaz> appreciated
[22:57] <blahboybaz> It sounds like you're suggesting that the hardware can be asked for stuff it doesn't have to give (like thats possible to happen). If so then that's not something I would think of. I would think that the drivers would configure stuff that depends on it to "only ask me for stuff I can actually do"
[23:03] <linux-phaedrus> @blatboybaz:The various "capabilities" are organized into multiple "layers". Higher layers - e.g. a browser - might "query" lower layers - e.g. Mesa / OpenGL / VDPAU and output some diagnostic message in case lower layer did not have some "feature". This may be because a still lower layer - e.g. software driver (nvidia drivers are common across a LARGE number of graphic cards) or hardware does not have one or the other capability
[23:04] <armadefuego> well Nvidia wrote the driver. it supports cards that it didn't make.so the driver is saying "do you have a video decoder"? and the card say "no", or "this decoder". the driver then reports the message you saw. (neither the person making the card, nor nvidia consider this an error.
[23:06] <armadefuego> @linux-phaedrus :)