[00:48] <goddard> if a window is off the screen how can i grab it?
[00:49] <Obscenity> connect a second screen
[00:50] <Obscenity> try ALT+SPACE
[01:26] <atp7> Hi, everyone. I'm a noob trying to play around with Ubuntu on a live usb w/my 2018 macbook pro. I've gotten Ubuntu to boot to the setup screen; however, my inbuilt trackpad and keyboard don't work. Further, a wired external keyboard doesn't seem to work either. What can I do?
[01:28] <enigma9o7[m]> goddard: hold down alt when grabbing it with mouse
[01:28] <enigma9o7[m]> assuming its partially on screen.
[01:28] <atp7> Ubuntu is fully on screen. But my keyboard/trackpad/external keyboard seem to be useless
[01:28] <enigma9o7[m]> atp7, good luck, dunno tho, doesnt sound like intended behavior.... like its not recognizing your whole usb bus or something
[01:29] <atp7> yeah, I've been having trouble all day. I switched to trying Ubuntu when Fedora wouldn't even boot. Ubuntu's booting, but now i can't input, lol
[01:31] <enigma9o7[m]> https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux#keyboard--touchpad might be useful
[01:32] <enigma9o7[m]> it says for macbookpro 15 and 16.1 you need special drivers, yours happen to be one of those?
[01:32] <atp7> enigma9o7[m], thank you. How do I install drivers onto Ubuntu if I can't interact with it once it boots?
[01:33] <enigma9o7[m]> good piont
[01:33] <atp7> enigma9o7[m] it's a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018)
[01:35] <enigma9o7[m]> https://gist.github.com/roadrunner2/1289542a748d9a104e7baec6a92f9cd7
[01:36] <enigma9o7[m]> dunno sounds complicated
[01:36] <enigma9o7[m]> it implies a usb mouse should work
[01:36] <enigma9o7[m]> or perhaps bluetooth
[02:21] <andrew__> which build is more stable 21.10 or 22.04 beta
[02:23] <guiverc> andrew__, Ubuntu 21.10 is a stable system...   beta is a beta just as the name implies; ie. not stable.
[02:23] <andrew__> i use 22.04 and its very stable
[02:24] <andrew__> but the release is incomplete
[02:24] <guiverc> andrew__, that's not a support statement and belongs in #ubuntu-discuss or ubuntu-offtopic
[02:24] <andrew__> for example the yaru theme x and - button is not themed and jusdt uses the default theme
[02:24] <andrew__> can you tell me what got removed in 22.04
[02:25] <guiverc> Ubuntu 22.04 isn't on-topic in this room until's been released; eta is 21-April-2022 which is still in the future
[02:25] <andrew__> but i use 22.04 daily
[02:25] <andrew__> how do i install the gnome mapsapp on ubutunu 22.04
[02:25] <guiverc> #ubuntu-next covers daily & Ubuntu 22.04 - you're off-topic here
[02:27] <andrew__> how do i check if i have a daily or beta build
[02:27] <guiverc> andrew__, no dailies or beta releases are on-topic in this room, please use #ubuntu-next
[02:29] <leftyfb> !next | andrew__
[02:34] <andrew__> how many flavors of ubuntu are there
[02:35] <leftyfb> andrew__: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[02:35] <brutex> how can i remove from custom kernel traces that are getted PASSED manufactor motherboard and etc. on boot?
[02:35] <leftyfb> andrew__: first result on google for "ubuntu flavors"
[02:36] <leftyfb> brutex: huh?
[02:36] <brutex> all others are fine
[02:36] <brutex> leftyfb: it boots 30mins
[02:37] <andrew__> what is ubuntu studio
[02:39] <leftyfb> andrew__: you know you can click on the link right?
[02:40] <andrew__> its for studios
[02:41] <andrew__> how do i install ubuntu studio software on ubuntu gnome aka regular ubuntu
[02:41] <leftyfb> andrew__: sudo apt install <package name>
[02:42] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | andrew__
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Contrary to popular belief, Ubuntu Studio isn't simply a collection of packages.
[02:43] <enigma9o7[m]> it can sense if you're in an actual studio or not.
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> enigma9o7[m]: Please don't.
[02:43] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: there is a separate repository?
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: No, except a backports ppa. Official flavors cannot have separate repositories.
[02:44] <andrew__> should i use ubuntu studio installer if i am not in a studio
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: There's configurations that go along with it.
[02:44] <leftyfb> andrew__: if you have to ask, the answer is probably no
[02:44] <andrew__> what it turn into if i install ubuntu studio installer on kubuntu
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> andrew__: It's not just for studios. Read about it. https://ubuntustudio.org
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> andrew__: ubuntustudio-installer just bolts it on. Whatever flavor you install is still the flavor you have installed
[02:46] <andrew__> whatnthe difference between regular ubuntu and ubuntu after the ubuntu studio installer get installed
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> Again, read the website. We can't do handholding on this.
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> It's your decision and yours alone to make.
[02:47] <andrew__> is the extension installed on gnome in ubuntu suppose to make ubuntu user friendly
[02:56] <andrew__> is vanilla gnome more user friendly then ubuntu gnome
[02:57] <leftyfb> andrew__: what version of Debian are you running?
[02:57] <andrew__> i am running ubuntu 22.04
[02:58] <leftyfb> andrew__: please take all further discussion to #ubuntu-next
[02:58] <andrew__> howw do i join
[02:58] <andrew__> i click the channel it does not work i use hexchat
[02:59] <leftyfb> andrew__: /join #ubuntu-next
[03:08] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm using the kde desktop environment. I installed it from the repos for ubuntu 20.04. I've noticed a persistant issue: the bar along the bottom sometimes stops working properly in a particular way.
[03:08] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: you might try #kubuntu where they're more versed in KDE-specific issues
[03:08] <bobdobbs> At first I notice that clock is out of sync. It just stops at a certain time and stays there.
[03:09] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: ah, ok. I'll jump over there. Thanks.
[04:36] <basenjis> On ubuntu linux .. I need to configure Apparmor to /enforce mode How do I do that .???
[04:38] <basenjis> I have apparmor profiles and extras. etc.
[04:38] <basenjis> Please help
[04:41] <basenjis> No One. Knows How to make Apparmor in enforce mode
[04:42] <rob0> !wait > basenjis
[04:42] <Unit193> basenjis: Take a read of https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-apparmor
[04:42] <basenjis> thanks
[04:45] <basenjis> Awesome Thanks I am a community member.
[04:48] <basenjis> sudo aa-enforce /path/to/bin
[04:48] <basenjis> Profile for /path/to/bin not found, skipping
[04:50] <basenjis> sudo aa-enforce /path/to/bin
[04:50] <basenjis> Profile for /path/to/bin not found, skipping
[04:50] <basenjis> b3@antix1:~
[04:50] <basenjis> $ sudo aa-enforce /path/to/bin
[04:50] <basenjis> Profile for /path/to/bin not found, skipping
[04:50] <basenjis> b3@antix1:~
[04:52] <mybalzitch> oof
[04:55] <basenjis> I am only requesting clarification for Apparmor configuration
[04:56] <mybalzitch> /path/to/bin means you specify the path to a binary you want apparmor to monitor
[04:56] <basenjis>  or i will contact the IRC counsels
[04:57] <basenjis> The confine mode
[04:57] <mybalzitch> lol
[04:58] <basenjis> lots of lUCK >>ha ha
[05:00] <basenjis> i will contact the IRC community
[05:01] <basenjis> Not a answer on #ubuntu to fix Ubuntu 20.04
[05:02] <basenjis> How do I put Apparmor in confine mode ??
[05:05] <basenjis> 1032 individuals on now.. No further response ?
[05:11] <mybalzitch> wait until they realize this was the irc community
[05:15] <armadefuego1> just let them Read The Fine Manual.
[06:07] <ultramage> hi, does ubuntu have an userland or 'world' source code component? I was trying to look it up on launchpad but got utterly lost.
[06:14] <alkisg> ultramage: what does "world source code component" mean?  Express what you want in more detail...
[06:25] <ultramage> alkisg: where does the base stuff, like /bin or /etc come from? did I miss an obvious package called ubuntu-base?
[06:26] <Unit193> base-files?
[06:26] <alkisg> ultramage: for each file, you can ask dpkg to tell you where it came from, e.g. : $ dpkg -S /bin/ls
[06:26] <alkisg> coreutils: /bin/ls
[06:27] <alkisg> And the opposite, "which files did coreutils ship?" dpkg -L coreutils
[06:28] <alkisg> Then with `apt source coreutils` you can fetch its source code
[06:29] <ultramage> ooh thank you. it is really partitioned across many components, in a very fine way. though some bits, like /etc/hosts and such, do not have a package origin
[06:30] <alkisg> Yes, e.g. /etc/hosts wouldn't be the same for all users and PCs, so it needs to be generated, not shipped
[06:31] <ultramage> yeah I guess those are generated based off of a template, and that template's from a package
[06:32] <alkisg> Eh, it can be as simple as "the installer asks the user for a hostname, then writes it to /etc/hostname"
[06:32] <alkisg> Or it can use templates, or even register itself to `dpkg -S` using ucf and a lot of other advanced stufff
[06:47] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[07:28] <pagios> echo * ,   what does it do
[07:31] <oerheks> pagios, try it in terminal?
[07:31] <oerheks> and let us know
[07:32] <pagios> list files in current dir
[07:32] <geirha> pagios: don't cross post
[07:33] <pagios> it applies to both channels
[07:36] <geirha> #bash would've been a more relevant channel. But cross-posting is rude; you waste other people's time by making them spend time on your problem already solved elsewhere
[07:37] <pagios> trust me social media is wasting more of their time :)
[07:37] <oerheks> i was not even trying to find out, grinn.
[08:00] <oerheks> hwinfo --gfxcard --short
[10:04] <warriror2002> i have a problem, i try build obs-studio from source and i have problem
[10:04] <warriror2002> i use Automatic Debian builds, on my xubuntu 20.04, i use ./build-linux.sh --disable-pipewire
[10:05] <warriror2002> but after that i cant find where obs located
[10:05] <warriror2002> how i can laucnh
[10:05] <warriror2002>  him
[10:06] <skr> warriror2002, i would suggest you to get the binaries, either via the official ppa or flathub
[10:06] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio or https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio?field.series_filter=focal have the latest already
[10:07] <warriror2002> want use h264_amf, so i build manually ffmpeg with h264_amf, now i want use obs with h264_amf, so to use h264_amf in obs i need manyally build it
[10:09] <warriror2002> on obs wiki 2 ways for building auto build and manually build, so i use auto build. auto build consist of one string code ./build-linux.sh --disable-pipewire
[10:10] <warriror2002> i dont have any errors with autobuild all completed
[10:10] <warriror2002> but how i can now launch obs i dont know
[10:13] <oerheks> i think the focal package does already support 264_amf.. no need to disable pipewire, as it does not appear in focal?
[10:13] <oerheks> no clue how to start it if it is not in your menu ..
[10:14] <oerheks> maybe you want to reask in #obsproject here on #libera
[10:32] <iG> hi everybody
[10:32] <iG> how to change my address ip in /etc with ubuntu ???
[10:33] <iG> is there not /etc/network/inferace ?
[10:33] <ravage> your system probaly uses netplan
[10:36] <iG> thx ravage :)
[10:41] <Guest83> my USB-ftdi adapter ( 0403:6001 ) doesnt work
[10:43] <Guest83> under windows it works problem-free
[10:47] <ravage> Guest83, https://forum.lightburnsoftware.com/t/unable-to-connect-using-ubuntu-18-04/10446/32?page=2
[10:50] <Jeremy31> Guest83: What kernel?
[10:50] <Guest83> the device is created,but no communication possible
[10:51] <Guest83> 5.13.0-30-generic
[10:52] <Jeremy31> Guest83: is your user in the group dialout?
[11:09] <Guest83> dmesg writes "usb 5-1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0", permissions are correct, but serial communication doesnt work
[11:11] <Guest83> 5.13.0-30-generic kernel
[11:12] <pmjdebruijn> define doesn't work? how are you using it?
[11:12] <Guest83> no communication possible
[11:13] <Guest83> on the adapter rx and tx connected
[11:13] <Guest83> a simple echo connection
[11:13] <pmjdebruijn> as in echo whatever > /etc/ttyUSB0 ?
[11:14] <pmjdebruijn> or what?
[11:14] <pmjdebruijn> I recommend trying something like 'picocom -b 9600 /dev/ttyUSB0'
[11:26] <Guest83> yes, that doesnt work
[12:26] <goddard> i added the docker software sources but it doesn't show up in software & updates app.  Is it safe to remove those items from sources.list.d or should I do something before doing that?
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | goddard
[12:37] <goddard> lotuspsychje: don't think it is a ppa which is why i don't know how to deal with it
[12:38] <goddard> ive been in ubuntu land for awhile and always used ppas now i don't know how to deal with software sources directly
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:46] <goddard> howdy
[12:59] <jongsta> anyone here have experience installing kernels in aws?
[14:07] <hans> any idea how i can get cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq  to work on ubuntu?
[14:08] <hans> my best guess is that i have to modprobe *something* but idk what
[14:08] <Zero_Chaos> I realize this may be an unusual question.  Is there a way to determine the upstream kernel patch version a specific ubuntu kernel is based on?  I realize this isn't a 100% reliable way to check for a certain upstream patch, but it's better than checking against x.y.0
[14:21] <Jeremy31> Zero_Chaos: I doubt it as some fixes are cherry picked
[14:22] <Zero_Chaos> Jeremy31: I would still estimate that checking against the upstream version it was based off would be closer to accurate than testing against .0
[14:23] <eoli3n> Hi, on a Dell Optiplex 7490, an upgrade to latest firmware broke hosts acpi
[14:23] <eoli3n> i get this in dmesg https://x0.at/HmT9.txt
[14:23] <ogra> Zero_Chaos, i bet the folks in #ubuntu-kernel could tell you ...
[14:23] <Zero_Chaos> ogra: cool thanks!
[14:23] <eoli3n> and hosts screen stays black
[14:24] <eoli3n> when i disable acpi, hosts screens turns up, but only one core is visible in htop
[14:24] <eoli3n> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[14:24] <eoli3n> tried all kernel parameters, but nothing worked
[14:25] <rob0> eoli3n: timeout on x0.at:443
[14:25] <eoli3n> i contacted Dell which tells me that the latest firmware isn't downgrable, because it's a security one
[14:25] <eoli3n> rob0 not here, strange
[14:26] <eoli3n> then i'm wondering how to deal with this : is that a kernel related problem which needs a fix, or the firmware at Dell which needs a fix ?
[14:28] <eoli3n> tried stock, and oem kernels
[14:31] <eoli3n> is there a way to get a newer version of the kernel on 20.04 LTS ?
[14:31] <eoli3n> any official ppa or something ?
[14:35] <ioria> eoli3n, yes
[14:36] <rob0> so the dmesg showed that the kernel wasn't supporting the acpi in the new firmware?
[14:37] <rob0> if so, look for changes in the kernel acpi subsystem, see if it is fixed, and if so what version
[14:37] <eoli3n> ioria any link or something ?
[14:38] <eoli3n> rob0 did you success to see the paste ?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | eoli3n
[14:38] <eoli3n> i can paste at another location if needed
[14:38] <ioria> eoli3n, what's yourkernel at the moment ?
[14:38] <eoli3n> 5.4.0-107-generic
[14:38] <ioria> eoli3n, and why don't you use the HWE ?
[14:39] <rob0> eoli3n: tried twice, timeouts
[14:39] <eoli3n> because it breaks nvidia drivers
[14:39] <eoli3n> ioria ^
[14:39] <eoli3n> but i tried with too, same problem
[14:39] <eoli3n> rob0 i think the problem is at your side
[14:40] <eoli3n> rob0 https://pastebin.com/JQmxzQ0h
[14:41] <ioria> eoli3n, before using a kernel from external sources, i suggest you install hwe, check if the acpi problem is solved, then try to solde the nvidia problem
[14:41] <eoli3n> i'll test with an upstream kernel, but i hope that i will not have problems with nvidia-dkms
[14:41] <eoli3n> ioria as said, i did
[14:42] <ioria> eoli3n, mainline kernel won't wok on 20.04 for a libc6 issue
[14:42] <eoli3n> hm
[14:42] <eoli3n> ok
[14:42] <ioria> *work
[14:42] <eoli3n> Dell is kicking this "out of scope"
[14:42] <eoli3n> but i doubt
[14:43] <eoli3n> ioria lets me paste you my tests
[14:43] <eoli3n> https://x0.at/RjP-.pdf
[14:43] <eoli3n> does this work for you ?
[14:43] <eoli3n> (the link i mean)
[14:44] <eoli3n> the last table are results
[14:44] <eoli3n> first collumn is "démarre" which means "boot"
[14:45] <eoli3n> with some kernel parameters, the kernel just hangs at startup
[14:45] <eoli3n> last two collumns are "all cores detected in htop" and "display works"
[14:45] <ogra> i do use nvidia (the 510 driver) with hwe just fine over here ... what exactly breaks for you ?
[14:46] <eoli3n> ogra 470 driver here, and since last firmware upgrade, hosts doesn't display anything
[14:46] <eoli3n> if i disable acpi, it start display again
[14:46] <eoli3n> but this breaks other stuffes
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> 'other'?
[14:46] <ogra> well, i used 470 until two weeks ago, also with hwe
[14:46] <eoli3n> lotuspsychje 1 core detected only
[14:47] <eoli3n> ogra i manage 800 hosts
[14:47] <ogra> hwe should really not be any issue with the nvidia drivers from the archive
[14:47] <eoli3n> i have many configurations
[14:47] <eoli3n> it should not, you're right
[14:47] <ioria> eoli3n, and can you use that PC without nvidia ? or is required for some reasons ?
[14:47] <eoli3n> required
[14:47] <eoli3n> in a university, for students
[14:47] <ioria> i see
[14:48] <eoli3n> but do we agree that the problem is at Dell side ,
[14:48] <eoli3n> ?
[14:48] <ioria> eoli3n, i don't use/know Dell, sy
[14:48] <rob0> and Dell support won't help?
[14:50] <eoli3n> rob0 as said, they kicked it "out of scope" but i think they didn't really get what's going on
[14:50] <ioria> eoli3n, try to upgrade the kernel then ( to 5.17) and try again nvidia; but honestly i'd rather try to solve the nvidia + hwe stack issue
[14:50] <ogra> eoli3n, when you talk about BIOS i hope you mean UEFI ? or do you actually boot these machines with legacy BIOS ?
[14:51] <eoli3n> ioria i was not clear, sorry for that : the problem with hwe and nvidia is not specifically on that hosts, i have some troubles, then i decided to drop it on all my hosts
[14:51] <eoli3n> ogra yes
[14:51] <eoli3n> i mean UEFI
[14:52] <eoli3n> Dell doesn't provide legacy support anymore
[14:52] <ogra> i'd also go with hwe+"latest nvidia driver your HW supports" .... because that definitely gets regular testing at canonical ...
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: some cases OEM kernels might also benefit some brands
[14:52] <ogra> and then report bugs for all issues you find
[14:52] <ioria> eoli3n, you mean 'deploy' the new kernel to the other hosts ?
[14:53] <eoli3n> ogra that's what i tried with "ubuntu-drivers install"
[14:53] <eoli3n> which enable hwe stack and install appropriate nvidia driver
[14:53] <ogra> well, did you try 510 yet ?
[14:53] <eoli3n> but as said, not working for that specific problem
[14:53] <ogra> it is pretty newish in 20.04
[14:54] <ogra> (a few weeks)
[14:54] <eoli3n> didn't tried, but last time i checked it wasn't available
[14:54] <eoli3n> nah, i remember, dependencies problem
[14:54] <eoli3n> i'll retry
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: can we see a full dmesg of that faulty system please?
[14:54] <ioria> !info nvidia-driver-510 focal
[14:55] <eoli3n> lotuspsychje the pdf isn't enough ?
[14:55] <eoli3n> i can't provide the full dmesg right now, hosts are down, and i'm working at home, i'll paste this tommorow
[14:59] <eoli3n> ok so i'll test to boot live 20.04, boot live 22.04, booting without any nvidia driver at all, booting with 510 nvidia driver
[15:00] <eoli3n> thanks for helping, i'll keep you in touch
[15:00] <rob0> good luck
[15:00] <eoli3n> (is there any 22.04 live yet ?)
[15:00] <rob0> 21st
[15:00] <eoli3n> ok
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> beta eoli3n
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !next | eoli3n
[15:00] <eoli3n> beta is enough to test latest kernel
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> 5.15.0-25 atm
[15:01] <ugur> hello everybody
[15:01] <eoli3n> lotuspsychje found : https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:01] <rob0> again though, I'd look at the changes in the Linux acpi codebase to see if your issue might be fixed somewhere
[15:02] <rob0> bye ugur :)
[15:02] <x0x> my God
[15:02] <x0x> https://getintopc.com
[15:02] <x0x> is finally opened
[15:02] <x0x> https://getintopc.com
[15:03] <yrdsb> which ubuntu flavor take the least space
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> not here x0x
[15:03] <yrdsb> ubuntu ubuntu budige lubuntu or xubuntu
[15:03] <rob0> and how is this relevant x0x?
[15:03] <ogra> UbuntuCore 🙂 (but probably not what you want to run on your desktop)
[15:03] <x0x> if you don't know
[15:03] <yrdsb> i mean the . most lightweight de
[15:04] <x0x> windows 11 pro which is enterprise
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !ops | yrdsb repeated random trolling questions
[15:04] <x0x> coded  by skraito is there
[15:04] <yrdsb> xfce lqdt kde or gnome
[15:04] <x0x> windows 11 pro which is enterprise coded by skraito is there
[15:04] <x0x> i show you the link
[15:04] <ogra> yrdsb, lubuntu most likely ...
[15:05] <yrdsb> lubuntu is lxqt
[15:05]  * x0x https://getintopc.com/softwares/operating-systems/windows-11-pro-january-2022-free-download-2827467/ this is skraito windows 11 enterprise free volume license
[15:05] <ogra> yrdsb, right ...
[15:06] <yrdsb> !op| x0x sending pirate windows link
[15:06] <ogra> !ops | x0x spamming
[15:06] <x0x> lol
[15:06] <eoli3n> rob0 i don't know how to do that
[15:06] <x0x> report to microsoft please
[15:06] <yrdsb> piracy is illegal]
[15:06] <rob0> Looks like this channel needs more +o coverage.
[15:06] <x0x> https://getintopc.com/softwares/operating-systems/windows-11-pro-january-2022-free-download-2827467/
[15:06] <yrdsb> dont pirate
[15:06] <x0x> this
[15:07] <x0x> what they say
[15:07] <x0x> ?
[15:07] <yrdsb> stop spamming that piracy link
[15:07] <x0x> microsoft where are you ? your not in channel #winos ? tell them now
[15:07] <rob0> eoli3n, I can't tell you specifically, but you could poke around in a recent kernel source tree and/or on kernel.org
[15:08] <rob0> A channel for wine enthusiasts!  Sounds grand.
[15:08] <yrdsb> https://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/
[15:08] <yrdsb> see this link
[15:15] <yrdsb> how many gb install is lubuntu 22.04
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> we told you before yrdsb this channel is for support issues, not a quiz room
[15:16] <yrdsb> is lubuntu less then 1 gb
[15:17] <yrdsb> should i abuse !op
[15:18] <Allie> yrdsb: what do you think?
[15:18] <yrdsb> yes
[15:18] <sprnk[m]> yrdsb: you could try starting with the minimal server install and installing i3 or dwm
[15:18] <yrdsb> atop
[15:18] <yrdsb> dwm is windows
[15:19] <yrdsb> !op |sprnk talking about windows
[15:19] <rob0> I would think the main flavors would all be larger than 1GB.  And they might have web pages to answer FAQs.
[15:19] <yrdsb> but i dont want to waste space
[15:20] <yrdsb> on my real pc by install linux vm
[15:20] <rob0> I'd also expect that spamming !ops is not going to bode well for your future here.
[15:20] <Allie> yrdsb: you're wasting a bunch of space in my IRC client right now.
[15:20] <yrdsb> wich runs windows
[15:20] <Allie> Learn to co-exist respectfully, or you can leave.
[15:20] <yrdsb> leave what this channel orr entire network
[15:20] <yrdsb> allie what irc cilent you use
[15:21] <Allie> Weechat, but it's irrelevant to you. Learn to co-exist respectfully or you will no longer be permitted in this space. You have taken up more than enough time and energy.
[15:21] <yrdsb> did you mean this channel
[15:22] <Allie> yrdsb: I am leaving it intentionally ambiguous. It shouldn't matter to you.
[15:22] <rob0> :)
[15:22] <pikapika> Most memory usage isn't from choice of window manager
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lets stick to ubuntu issues now please
[15:23] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, is 'nix' package manager considered on topic or off topic?
[15:24] <pikapika> ie specifically experienced on ubuntu
[15:24] <rob0> pikapika: I think the abusive user's question was regarding storage space, not memory/RAM use.
[15:24] <ogra> if you find a package for it in the ubuntu archive it is on topic ... else not ...
[15:24] <pikapika> Oh okay
[15:25] <pikapika> I would say though, modern gnome and kubuntu can be a bit hefty and probably not recommended for under 4gb ram
[15:26] <rob0> likely so.
[15:26] <pikapika> i understand the total deal involves more than just a de, and things like default apps bundled etc but still
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !specs
[15:40] <WeeBey> Good morning frens. I've had issues with my laptop going to sleep (suspend); I lose track-pad. Anyway, I installed another kernel to see if this would be fixed magically (5.16.19) and now I get a broken dependencies warning in the Synaptic Package Manager. Any recommendations as to what I should do?
[15:41] <Jeremy31> WeeBey: click the Edit menu in Synaptic and choose fix broken
[15:42] <WeeBey> Jeremy31, Let me have a look. Thanks for the quick reply.
[15:43] <WeeBey> Jeremy31, it is suggesting that the linux-headers-5.16.19-051619-generic will be removed
[15:44] <Jeremy31> Hopefully it doesn't remove the linux-image
[15:44] <WeeBey> Hrm... Not sure I will apply this yet.
[15:45] <rob0> Kernel headers should match the kernel under which the OS/glibc was built, not necessarily the current running kernel.
[15:45] <Jeremy31> WeeBey: If that kernel doesn't fix the trackpad, reboot and press ESC or Shift early after and use Advanced Option of the grub menu to boot into an older kernel
[15:46] <WeeBey> Hmm. Ok, let me have a look.
[15:48] <WeeBey> Jeremy31, Hrm. Removed the headers via apt. Error seems to be gone.
[15:48] <WeeBey> But suspend still kills the trackpad.
[15:48]  * WeeBey sobs
[15:49] <WeeBey> but thank you for your help Jeremy31 :-)
[15:49] <Joel> 20.04, at some point I was using gnome, have switched to plasma, when I log in all sorts of apps start, and I can't find what/where starts these. Thoughts on where to dig?
[15:49] <Joel> not from my ~/.bash_profile, nothing in run levels..
[15:49] <WeeBey> Joel, .config/autostart?
[15:49] <enigma9o7[m]> systemd
[15:50] <alkisg> Or /etc/xdg/autostart
[15:50] <alkisg> Ah sorry you mean just for your account, nvm
[15:50] <Joel> WeeBey not there, sadly.
[15:50] <oerheks> all sorts of apps ?
[15:50] <Joel> I'm running a broad grep now to try and locate it
[15:50] <WeeBey> there's also the app "startup applications"
[15:50] <pikapika> Yeah what apps exactly is it starting
[15:51] <WeeBey> Not sure where those items are saved.
[15:51] <Joel> WeeBey any idea of the cli name to launch that?
[15:51] <oerheks> why cli? type startup in the menu search
[15:52] <Joel> oerheks I've used both gnome and kde. Applications in one, aren't the same in another.
[15:53] <WeeBey> Yep. not sure what cli command would launch that.
[15:53] <Joel> not to mention I'm 95% time in the clie.
[15:53] <Joel> WeeBey appreciate the tips. I'll have to let my monster grep run and go from there.
[15:56] <WeeBey> Joel, found it
[15:56] <WeeBey> gnome-session-properties
[15:58] <ioria> i'am afraid you need to edit the .desktop files of those programs and add 'OnlyShowIn=KDE'  ; not a nice job Joel
[16:02] <Joel> WeeBey not listed there, sadly (
[16:02] <Joel> ioria location of said files?
[16:03] <ioria> /etc/shrae/applications
[16:03] <ioria> /etc/share/applications
[16:03] <Joel> ioria I don't have an /etc/share/ :)
[16:03] <ioria> sorry,  /usr/share/applications
[16:04] <Joel> I do see applications there, by virtu of having a file, it automatically starts it on login?
[16:04] <Joel> shoudl be as simple as removing files there?
[16:04] <basenjis> https://itsfoss.com/manage-startup-applications-ubuntu/
[16:04] <ioria> Joel, nope ...
[16:06] <basenjis> sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[16:06] <ioria> basenjis, it will block it at all; he wants just to hide it in gnome session
[16:07] <Joel> ioria apps starting up are in neither spot
[16:07] <ioria> Joel, what ?
[16:08] <basenjis> Ohh My bad.. disregard That lists all startup apps
[16:09] <Joel> sorry, I meant basenjis
[16:09] <WeeBey> So it seems this kernel didn't break anything... but didn't fix anything either. :-(
[16:10] <Jeremy31> WeeBey: No errors in Synaptic?
[16:10] <ioria> Joel, but the official answer to your Q. is : you installed plasma on gnome, now you live with those running apps
[16:10] <Joel> ioria I didn't install plasma on gnome.
[16:11] <basenjis> that is unusual
[16:11] <ioria> Joel, are you on Kubuntu ?
[16:12] <WeeBey> Jeremy31, no
[16:12] <WeeBey> not anymore.
[16:13] <Jeremy31> WeeBey: open terminal and post URL for>  dmesg | grep -i i2c | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:15] <WeeBey> https://pastebin.com/h8WF93X6
[16:16] <WeeBey> In other pages, it suggested reloading the input modules after suspend. But it didn't work for me. I haven't tried with this kernel yet.
[16:20] <Joel> https://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_desktop_guides/kde_desktop_user_guide/ksmserver.html - seems like I should wack ~/.config/ksmserverrc where I do see the programs that get launched
[16:26] <Jeremy31> WeeBey: You may have to look at results after suspend to see if there is a clue to it failing
[16:33] <new_leap> hey, is there a way to get rootless docker with using the ubuntu packages, not the packages from docker themselves? I thought the script would be included
[16:43] <sprnk[m]> new_leap:  looks like there is in 22.04 with the rootlesskit package
[16:43] <new_leap> hm, is there a new package I would need to install to get rootless?
[16:44] <new_leap> because I don't see it even in 22.04
[16:44] <new_leap> sprnk[m] I guess there is still more to do than install that package?
[16:45] <new_leap> ahh  i guess @sprnk[m] xD
[16:46] <sprnk[m]> i just searched for it in 22.04  'apt info rootlesskit' . I don't know if there are more steps :) i generally use podman
[16:47] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rootlesskit and see https://github.com/rootless-containers/rootlesskit
[17:05] <basenjis> @nicoz
[18:08] <louis543> I accidentally deleted the kernel from /boot on an install. I want to chroot in to install a new one, but I have an LVM encrypted root partition.
[18:10] <louis543> I accidentally deleted the kernel from /boot on an install. I want to chroot in to install a new one, but I have an LVM encrypted root partition. is there a good place to start here? I used cryptsetup luks0pen /dev/nvme0n1p3 encrypted_device to open it up but am lost from there
[18:12] <cambrian_invader> louis543: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_a_non-root_file_system#Manual_mounting_and_unmounting
[18:13] <louis543> thank you very much cambrian_invader !
[18:13] <EriC^^> louis543: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link here
[18:14] <louis543> https://termbin.com/5pdu
[18:15] <EriC^^> louis543: sudo mount /dev/mapper/vgxubuntu-root /mnt
[18:17] <louis543> Thank you!
[18:17] <EriC^^> louis543: no problem, be sure to mount-bind /run as well to get internet access within the chroot
[18:22] <louis543> my attempt to chroot in and fix the broken install with missing kernel has ended here. https://bpa.st/UYRA
[18:22] <louis543> trying to purge grub-pc and grub-common hasn't solved it
[18:32] <EriC^^> checking
[18:33] <louis543> what I did to break this was, I kept getting a disk full error doing apt upgrade, so I deleted some old kernels from /boot. but I don't think I did the upgrade before rebooting, so the kernel is missing.
[18:33] <louis543> I should not have been deleting old kernels,, but rather figuring out why the upgrade process would fail when I have a 700 MB /boot partition. that was a bad habit.
[18:34] <deadrom> hi
[18:34] <EriC^^> louis543: can you pastebin 'tail -v -n+1 /etc/default/grub /etc/grub.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:35] <EriC^^> i mean paste the link it gives here
[18:35] <louis543> https://termbin.com/tqiw
[18:36] <enigma9o7[m]> hi deadrom its super duper great to hear your greeting!  Thanks so much for sharing.
[18:36] <EriC^^> louis543: did you edit the files above recently?
[18:37] <louis543> I didn't. I have read about chrooting into an encrypted install requiring some change tot he GRUB config file in my googling of this issue though, but haven't found anything specific.
[18:38] <deadrom> I'm running a lot of zip/rar instructions from within mc at the moment and it's at a fraction of the speed of 7z x. Now 7z is new and multicore and mc is seriously old. Any other way? Can one integrate 7z into mc or are there patched builds to speed up this kind of operation?
[18:38] <EriC^^> louis543: according to the error, one of the files has some syntax error
[18:39] <EriC^^> trying to pinpoint it currently
[18:39] <louis543> can I just find some generic sample cfg file and plop that in there?
[18:39] <louis543> i find it odd that i cannot just apt remove grub
[18:42] <EriC^^> louis543: it looks like it went bad after memtest, so try chmod -x /etc/grub.d/{30_os-prober,35_fwupd}
[18:42] <EriC^^> then try 'update-grub' and see if it runs without the syntax error
[18:43] <louis543> i cheated
[18:43] <louis543> i removed the grub.cfg that existed and then tried apt fix-broken install
[18:43] <louis543> it worked
[18:43] <louis543> the one thing that didn't go as planned was this "cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'encrypted_device' not found in /etc/crypttab
[18:43] <EriC^^> odd
[18:44] <louis543>  just created that for the purpose of chrooting into my install from a livecd
[18:44] <louis543> I wonder if this will work upon reboot
[18:44] <louis543> wish me luck sir. and, thank you very much EriC^^ !!!
[18:53] <louis543> so close
[18:57] <rob0> but no cigar?
[18:57] <louis543> i rebooted but just got a grub prompt, no options
[18:58] <louis543> back chrooted in on an ubuntu livecd
[18:58] <louis543> https://bpa.st/77VQ it _looks_ like it works
[19:03] <louis543> when using grub-install to an nvme device, I get this whether it is to a partition or the entire drive, am I missing something? https://bpa.st/XMFA
[19:08] <louis543> I tried doing it outside the chroot too, no dice https://bpa.st/XVTA
[20:06] <baldpope> is there an easy way to take the output from apt list --installed and use that as input for apt install ?
[20:07] <baldpope> attempting to create a jenkins node, and trying to mimic/clone the master jenkins build environment
[20:07] <baldpope> I could use awk to print just the package, not sure if that's the best way?
[20:08] <Bashing-om> baldpope: Maybe: dpkg --get-selections will dump a list of all packages you have installed, so you can use dpkg --set-selections to reinstall them all later.
[20:10] <Bashing-om> baldpope: Also there is: debfoster only lists those packages manually installed.
[20:12] <baldpope> came up with this as a potential list to dump back into apt install
[20:12] <baldpope> apt list --installed | awk '{split($0,f,"/"); print f[1]}'
[20:13] <ogra> well, what Bashing-om said ... dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections is what admins have used over a decade with debian and ubuntu
[20:14] <ogra> but indeed you can craft your own from scratch at any time ... the beauty of linux 😉
[20:15] <baldpope> aside from the output - why is the dpkg example better?
[20:15] <ogra> its integration is well tested and documented ...
[20:16] <baldpope> oh .. i see
[20:16] <baldpope> get-selections sets the package list as input directly to set-selections
[20:16] <ogra> yeah
[20:16] <baldpope> I misunderstood - ty
[20:19] <baldpope> hm.. dpkg: warning: package not in status nor available database at line 2: acl
[20:22] <ogra> did you run apt update first to get a fresh package index ?
[20:23] <baldpope> yea, both the source/target - ran apt update first
[20:24] <baldpope> the sub/minor version is slightly differ 18.04.5 src vs 18.0.4.6 target
[20:24] <ogra> that shouldnt matter
[20:25] <ogra> baldpope, https://askubuntu.com/a/727081
[20:25] <ogra> does this help ?
[20:27] <baldpope> yea - that looks like it got me - so the set-selections is setting like a desired state, then dselect actually intsall
[20:27] <baldpope> (first for me)
[20:28] <baldpope> will test in a moment
[20:30] <baldpope> nah, the package list still not in sync
[20:32] <ogra> this is the sequence you should use: dpkg --get-selections > pkglist.txt ... dpkg --set-selections < pkglist.txt ... sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[20:34] <baldpope> that's looking better
[20:34] <baldpope> thanks ogra
[20:35] <ogra> 😄
[20:55] <squirrel> hello. i want to run a command several times until failure, e.g. `tox && tox && tox`. kind of do this a lot. is there a tool that allows me to say something like `run -n 5 tox` instead?
[21:01] <EriC^^> squirrel: you could use a quick function in bash, function run() { for i in $(seq 1 $1); do $2; done;}
[21:02] <EriC^^> you'd do "run 5 tox"
[21:05] <squirrel> i think that amounts to `tox; tox; tox; tox; tox` though? also won't accept any parameters to tox
[21:05] <squirrel> i just don't know enough of bash to write something foolproof
[21:06] <oerheks> eject && eject -t
[21:09] <EriC^^> squirrel: this should work, function run() { times=$1; shift; for i in $(seq 1 $times); do $@; if [[ $? -ne 0 ]]; then break; fi; done;}
[21:11] <EriC^^> maybe change do $@ to do "$@"
[21:26] <squirrel> EriC^^: nice, this seems to work, thanks!
[21:26] <EriC^^> squirrel: no problem
[22:10] <angel20o4lts> sorry someone has problems with OBS on ubuntu 20.04 to capture windows shows nothing but black screen only
[22:24] <ravage> AngryTom, make sure you are not on wayland but Xorg
[22:24] <ravage> ups
[22:25] <ravage> already gone as always :)
[23:37] <Guest72> Good DLNA media server with support for on the fly transcoding?
[23:38] <Minus_One> Hi, I have an issue on 20.04. When running apt upgrade, I will sometimes find myself disconnected from my desktop - the tty goes black for a while until things restart, then I am logged back in (possibly because I have auto-login enabled in lightdm) with a fresh session. This also crashes apt unless I am running it in another tty, so I have to run dkpg --configure -a and apt upgrade again. I am not sure what causes this. Possibly a DE package being
[23:38] <Minus_One> upgraded and deciding the new version must be run *now* at the cost of my running session?
[23:39] <Minus_One> Possibly relevant: I installed Xubuntu and then installed kubuntu-desktop later and started using KDE as my default DE. Any ideas what may be causing this, or where to look?