| valorie | mainline ubuntu uses gnome desktop and apps | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | we use Plasma and KDE apps | 00:00 |
| valorie | we all work together | 00:00 |
| Guest2911 | okaay | 00:00 |
| valorie | there are quite a few flavors of ubuntu | 00:01 |
| valorie | for instance Ubuntu Studio is for creatives | 00:01 |
| Guest2911 | and kubuntu | 00:01 |
| valorie | and it also uses Plasma and some KDE apps | 00:01 |
| valorie | so we work more closely with them on those common things | 00:02 |
| Guest2911 | okay | 00:02 |
| === thopiekar_ is now known as thopiekar | ||
| Guest24 | Hello everyone o/ | 05:07 |
| Guest24 | Looking foe help upgrading my hirsuite 20.4 to the alst Kubuntu 21.10 I think | 05:08 |
| Guest24 | do-release-upgrade doesn't propose to upgrade while saying that I'm EOL | 05:09 |
| Guest24 | update-manager GUI propose to update but after I click Upgrade it quit | 05:10 |
| Guest24 | Nvm go it fixed | 05:17 |
| dez | I just installed 21.04 over 20.04 without formatting the disks. | 06:35 |
| dez | Almost all of the system and program settings are still intact. | 06:35 |
| alkisg | You can preserve /home/username (along with all user data and settings) even among different distributions and desktop environments... | 06:37 |
| === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc | ||
| dez | https://vk.com/video-211009300_456239090 my Kubuntu | 08:57 |
| user|13 | I have installed kubuntu. Now while logging in, along with kde, gnome and gnome wayland are also showing | 11:07 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> AMTD | 11:08 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> KMTD | 11:09 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> Thank you. | 11:09 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> I have installed Kubuntu, while logging in it is showing three options: kdeplasma, gnome &gnome wayland. How can I remove the gnome & gnome wayland safely. | 11:10 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> I tried removing ubuntu desktop, but while rebbotung it has shown file broken error. Again I ve installed gdm3 package. | 11:12 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Ravi> Is there any safe way to remove gnome and gnome wayland? | 11:12 |
| oerheks | adding a desktop is no problem, removing one can be interesting.. | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:07 |
| === thopiekar_ is now known as thopiekar | ||
| IrcsomeBot | <Technopat_Official> what kind of Kubuntu have you installed ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|13> I have installed kubuntu. Now while logging in, along with kde, gnome and gnome wayland are also showing) | 16:49 |
| Guest21 | Hello :). I'm wanting to install Kubuntu 22.04 on my 2nd hard disk, and am stuck at the first step. There is a check-box labelled: "Configure secureboot, enter the same password twice.....". My laptop supports UEFI & Secureboot and I'd like to enable that feature, but I don't know how to proceed. My first question is - which password? I | 19:17 |
| Guest21 | don't understand what is needed here or what it does. Any help would be greatly appreciated. | 19:17 |
| tomreyn | Guest21: the idea there is that you set a password for the first time, which is then stored by your mainboard / bios, this is part of secure boot initialization | 19:26 |
| Guest21 | tomreyn - thanks for the reply, do I need to enter this password on each boot? | 19:28 |
| tomreyn | a lot can go wrong with 'secure boot', it complicates matters and it doesn't provide a whole lot of guarantees. so a lot of people actually decide against using it | 19:28 |
| tomreyn | you'll need to enter this password whenever you want to change secureboot settings, including when entirely disabling secure boot. | 19:29 |
| Guest21 | Ah, OK - so I don't really need it. The only downside I guess is that I'd need to enter UEFI to disable secureboot every time I wanted to boot Kubuntu? (I also have a Win10 installation that uses secureboot) | 19:31 |
| tomreyn | most operating systems don't actually require secure boot, so maybe you'll want to keep it off generally. but if you want to run a multi boot system then maybe leaving it enabled with kubuntu can actually be the better choice. | 19:39 |
| Guest21 | Thanks for your time, much appreciated. I'll go ahead and experiment in the hope that it doesn't mess up my Windows disk (I have backups just in case). Cheers :). | 19:41 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <ksenchy> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-headers-generic | 20:31 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ksenchy> Anyone knows what is the actual kernel version behind this | 20:31 |
| cbreak | IrcsomeBot: ksenchy: it says 5.15.0.25.27 in your own link | 20:47 |
| cbreak | and you can also see that it depends on the https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-headers-5.15.0-25-generic package | 20:48 |
| orca33 | hi there | 21:53 |
| orca33 | I have Kubuntu 21.10 (impish) on my desktop. In order to try the software Able2Extract Professional, a PDF editor, I downloaded its deb package from the official site, but it requires, among others, the version 1.71.0 of the package libboost-filesystem, instead of the current 1.74.0. In fact, it needs also libboost-regex1.71.0, | 22:02 |
| orca33 | libboost-thread1.71.0, which are not available for impish. They are available for hirsute and focal, indeed. Is there a port for impish? Is it reliable to try and download the debs for those releases and install them under impish? | 22:02 |
| orca33 | No suggestions? | 22:39 |
| orca33 | More generically, is it possible/sensible to try and install older versions of a given deb package? If so, how and which issues might arise? | 22:45 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 you are now experience the joys of interim releases :) | 22:49 |
| mmikowski | Sorry if this is old new to you, but just in case: The trouble is that the 6-month release cadence is too fast for many third-party developers. Instead, they focus their energy on LTS releases and build for them. | 22:51 |
| cbreak | orca33: there's no snap / appimage / flatpack thing for that application? | 22:53 |
| orca33 | I see: if I were with focal, I would then be ok... | 22:53 |
| cbreak | you could try building one of those, they can contain their own userland, with different library versions | 22:53 |
| mmikowski | This appears to be the case for Able2Extract. If you are able to install it on Impish it will *probably* work just fine, since the updated libboost-filesystem isn't significantly greater. However, if there is a breaking change, you might be out of luck without the work that @cbreak is detailing. | 22:54 |
| orca33 | cbreak, not AFAIK | 22:54 |
| cbreak | you could also run the thing inside docker or lxc | 22:54 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 You could always install focal in a VM and use it there ... | 22:54 |
| cbreak | lxc is cheaper than a full vm :) | 22:55 |
| cbreak | even if you use kvm | 22:55 |
| mmikowski | Sure @cbreak. Any similar sort of environment. | 22:55 |
| cbreak | I run a firefox inside a 20.04 lxc on my 21.10 kubuntu | 22:55 |
| cbreak | so gui programs kind of work (there are some issues with screen resolution) | 22:56 |
| orca33 | I have never tried to build a snap , appimage or flatpack for that matter. Neither used lxc; and vm some eons ago... | 22:57 |
| orca33 | mmikowski what does do you mean: "If you are able to install it on Impish..."? How? | 22:58 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 download the deb, and then `sudo apt install ./<deb-file-name.deb>` | 22:59 |
| orca33 | As simple as that? The worst might happen is the command not working and then I might simply issue: sudo apt --fix-broken install or sudo apt purge <deb_file>; right? | 23:03 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 fwiw, snaps run in a docker-like environment (lxc) and pull in their own requirements like above. | 23:03 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 simple as that. | 23:04 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 if it doesn't work, sudo apt purge <dev_file>. | 23:04 |
| mmikowski | Notice, it may also be subtly broken, which can be the worst kind of broken sometimes. | 23:04 |
| mmikowski | The sudo apt --fixbroken install probably won't do the trick. | 23:05 |
| cbreak | boost should install its libs with version number in the name, so they shouldn't collide | 23:06 |
| mmikowski | Right @cbreak. However, if the earlier versions of libboost libs are not available in impish and it doesn't allow for later lib versions in it's control file... :P | 23:08 |
| mmikowski | I mean if the package doesn't allow for later libboost version... | 23:09 |
| cbreak | that's more a fact of you not having the old package available | 23:12 |
| cbreak | but what I mean is that IF you got hand of it, it shouldn't collide with the current version | 23:12 |
| cbreak | probably... :P | 23:12 |
| mmikowski | ah, I got it @cbreak. You mean also installing the dependencies by hand from the prior repo? | 23:12 |
| orca33 | cbreak and mmikowski nice observations. In fact, I also installed libpoco*70 packages to try and resolve the error, without success. So I guess I will download libboost-[filesystem,regex,thread]1.71.0 from hirsute and see what i get... | 23:13 |
| mmikowski | Maybe, if they allow concurrent versions. Not a problem with the lib, but could be an issue with the packaging. | 23:13 |
| mmikowski | Kernels do the right thing there, but lib packages often do not IME. | 23:14 |
| cbreak | https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/libboost-regex1.71.0/download | 23:14 |
| mmikowski | Right. But that will likely want to downgrade the installed libboost-*, which could cause all sorts of issues. In that case, lxc or similar as you suggested earlier would seem much safer. | 23:16 |
| cbreak | I think they're independent | 23:17 |
| cbreak | the packages have the version number in the name | 23:17 |
| cbreak | they're effectively different packages | 23:17 |
| cbreak | boost is a c++ lib without ABI stability, I think they kind of have to do it that way | 23:17 |
| mmikowski | Yeah, that's a great point. Similar to kernel images. So the should be able to live together. | 23:17 |
| cbreak | just like kernels, not designed to be forward or backwards compatible | 23:17 |
| cbreak | (still, I'd go the lxc route, since I know how to do it :) | 23:18 |
| cbreak | well... or at least I think I can look up how I did it again... | 23:18 |
| mmikowski | @cbreak it seems like your suggestion with these libboost-x.x.x packages should be safe, since they won't interfere with anything and likely won't be used elsewhere. And rolling back is as easy as purging the packages. | 23:20 |
| mmikowski | I haven't used lxc before, but will look into it! | 23:21 |
| cbreak | I think I used something like https://blog.simos.info/running-x11-software-in-lxd-containers/ | 23:23 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 did you get the suggestion from @cbreak? | 23:24 |
| mmikowski | It looks like you are on the right path. | 23:24 |
| mmikowski | @cbreak thanks for the link. I will add it to my thing-to-do ticket. | 23:24 |
| cbreak | (I think if someone upgrades from 20.04 to 21.10, those old packages could still stick around, so it should be fine) | 23:24 |
| orca33 | Sorry for the silly question: which exact link shoud I use to download, e.g,. libboost-regex1.71.0? I tried cbreak's one above from focal, but did not manage :-( | 23:25 |
| cbreak | what was the problem? | 23:26 |
| mmikowski | I think Ubuntu could keep some of those older libs around longer... | 23:26 |
| cbreak | curl -OL --url http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/boost1.71/libboost-regex1.71.0_1.71.0-6ubuntu6_amd64.deb seems to work | 23:27 |
| cbreak | of course, I'm assuming here that you're running amd64 | 23:28 |
| orca33 | cbreak The curl command worked. | 23:29 |
| orca33 | To double check: I have downloaded the 3 libbost-*1.71.0*.deb packages from focal and now I should dpkg -i each one of them and afterwards try and install the Able2Extract package; right? | 23:33 |
| cbreak | I'd zfs snap first :P | 23:33 |
| cbreak | (but it is probably ok) | 23:33 |
| orca33 | cbreak didn´t get this zfs snap stuff... | 23:34 |
| cbreak | you're not running zfs then, so you can ignore it | 23:35 |
| orca33 | After sudo dpkg -i libboost-filesystem1.71.0_1.71.0-6ubuntu6_amd6.deb , I got the following error: dpkg-deb: error: 'libboost-filesystem1.71.0_1.71.0-6ubuntu6_amd6.deb' is not a Debian format archive | 23:36 |
| mmikowski | @orca33 you can do `sudo apt install ./libboost*` if you put them alll in a single directory. | 23:37 |
| orca33 | also: dpkg-deb --control subprocess returned error exit status 2 | 23:37 |
| mmikowski | Um, that deb package looks wrong - the name on the end should be _amd64.deb. Maybe just a cut-n-paste error? | 23:37 |
| orca33 | mmikowski sure | 23:38 |
| mmikowski | The suggestion for putting all the packages in a subdir and using apt makes sorting dependencies easier. Otherwise, you may need to step through dpkg installs one dependency at a time. Apt will sort all that for you. | 23:39 |
| mmikowski | As for the file not being debian, that can occur when one downloads files using 'save link as' and accidentally saves the html instead of the package. | 23:40 |
| cbreak | what does `file` on the archive say? | 23:43 |
| orca33 | I am redownloading the debs | 23:43 |
| cbreak | I've not tried to install, but file says "libboost-regex1.71.0_1.71.0-6ubuntu6_amd64.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), with control.tar.xz, data compression xz" | 23:43 |
| orca33 | sudo apt install ./libboost* gives: E: Invalid archive signature, E: Internal error, could not locate member control.tar{.zst,.lz4,.gz,.xz,.bz2,.lzma,}, E: Could not read meta data from /home/orca/Dropbox/resources/Able2ExtractPro/libboost-filesystem1.71.0_1.71.0-6ubuntu6_amd64.deb, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 23:47 |
| orca33 | I tried again with dpkg -i and for the libboost-regex*, it had dependency problems, demanding the libciu66 deb package, whereas the other 2 libboost* showed error exit status 2 | 23:56 |
| orca33 | libciu66 -> libicu66 | 23:57 |
| orca33 | I guess we should call it a day... Thank you very much for all your effort, guys! | 23:59 |
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