| diddledani | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojppstlgBc | 15:15 |
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| zxmpi | hot dog linux... i have looked at using dosbox on all my systems for a distraction free ui | 15:25 |
| davef | what in horrifying hell is that? seems like a lot of dicking around getting it to work. | 15:40 |
| zxmpi | just part of the suffering :-) | 15:40 |
| davef | i'm of the camp of install and run these days. I do too much cli at work, I don't need it at home too. | 15:51 |
| daftykins | hehe | 16:10 |
| daftykins | diddledani: any luck overcoming your sleep woes? | 16:12 |
| diddledani | still struggling.. getting about 5 hrs a night atm | 16:13 |
| daftykins | ooh err, i wish i could get by on that so i could be more productive and see daylight hours xD | 16:14 |
| zxmpi | thatcher famously got by on 4hours sleep a night. not sure that's a good indicator mind | 16:18 |
| daftykins | yeah i hear you start dreaming about coal miners in that 4 hours | 16:19 |
| daftykins | ;) | 16:19 |
| daftykins | wow my mate got a quote for a phone system at this dentists place he's asked me to do a quote for | 16:21 |
| daftykins | a competitor to our local incumbent wants over £2,500 to put in an ISDN backed Mitel phone system | 16:21 |
| zxmpi | isdn. been a while since i saw one of those | 16:22 |
| daftykins | well that's my concern, the incumbent EOL'd ISDN in 2019 according to their news briefs | 16:22 |
| daftykins | my research so far has brought up a £300 Yealink DECT VoIP system, just with the issue of either using an adapter box to take PSTN -> SIP or signing up with a VoIP service instead | 16:23 |
| zxmpi | how long does the average phone system last? >10years? will isdn be around then? | 16:24 |
| daftykins | doubt it, i can't even get a call or email back from the incumbent - they at least offer a cloud PBX service, just don't seem to want any business | 16:25 |
| zxmpi | or their phone/email service is terrible preventing them from calling you :-) | 16:27 |
| daftykins | haha | 16:28 |
| daftykins | well i caught one of them once by phone when she must have been out to lunch, said she'd be back in after a given time... never answered since | 16:28 |
| daftykins | https://business.sure.com/news-and-insights/2019/sure-launches-cloud-voice-service-as-alternative-to-isdn/ | 16:33 |
| zxmpi | i liked isdn, i really did. it was just that ireland telco charged for 2 calls if you wanted 128kbs | 16:35 |
| zxmpi | so it was fairly dead in the water on arrival. plus they wanted 128kbs to qualify as broadband as they had equipped the entire island with isdn in the 80s | 16:36 |
| daftykins | i knew some lads back in the day on ISDN, at first i was wowed by the 14 KB/sec download speeds but i found it hilarious when ADSL launched and they had to pay extra to convert their digital lines back over to get it xD | 16:37 |
| zxmpi | had to rip out the fibre and bung in good old copper :-D | 16:38 |
| daftykins | eh? it was still copper | 16:38 |
| davef | ISDN was lust worthy for us mere 56K modem plebs | 16:39 |
| daftykins | until you saw the price, yeah | 16:39 |
| davef | The day that ADSL was turned on in my area, I was one of the first to sign up.. 512K goodness | 16:39 |
| daftykins | i was a mere unemployed nipper in school though so i'd have had no chance, i was lucky my Dad was willing to pay for AOL xD | 16:39 |
| daftykins | yeah same! with the ol' Alcatel Speedtouch USB transceiver as they provided over here | 16:40 |
| zxmpi | you didn't get 980 free hours of aol on a floppy?! :-P | 16:40 |
| davef | Today I find myself lusting after 3Gbps fiber, which is available in the apartment I'm moving to in June :) | 16:40 |
| davef | AKA the "stingray" | 16:41 |
| daftykins | indeedy | 16:41 |
| daftykins | heh, pal in Geneva has 10 Gb - the WAN interface genuinely is capable of 10, but the LAN side ports are 2.5 Gb tops | 16:41 |
| daftykins | it's only due to buying a brand new PC that he got a motherboard with a 2.5 Gb NIC too | 16:42 |
| davef | I remember when you maxed out the stingray, it would sometimes desync or even power off if your USB port didn't provide the full output | 16:42 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:42 |
| daftykins | gone are the days of supplying the mgmt.o firmware file to IPCop on an old Pentium II PC as my dedicated router | 16:42 |
| davef | anyway, i'm going to get gigabit fiber at the new place. 3gbps is nice, but overkill. | 16:43 |
| daftykins | i agree, since the rollout here will normalise at £125/mo for gigabit, i might only be able to stretch to the next tier down - which looks to be 300/30 | 16:44 |
| * zxmpi puts in reminder for 3months from now when davef will be complaining that 3gbs is too slow :-D | 16:44 | |
| davef | Nah, just going to go with 1Gbps. It's cheaper | 16:45 |
| davef | the only problem is the company equipment, it's GPON. so I have to use their router. | 16:47 |
| daftykins | oh eww | 16:47 |
| davef | however, i have recently discovered it supports PPPoE, so I plug my router into the second WAN port, PPPoE that thing and boom.. my hardware | 16:48 |
| davef | which would be nice.. two public IPs | 16:48 |
| daftykins | they'll just install an ONT here with the NIC to do the same, allegedly | 16:48 |
| davef | Bell changed their hardware, the old version you could just unplug the SFP adapter and plug into your own | 16:49 |
| daftykins | sucks my little PCEngines APU systems are hamstrung by pfSense's single-queue single-thread PPPoE implementation though, means they're not gigabit capable | 16:49 |
| davef | But the new one the SFP is built-in | 16:49 |
| davef | my router can handle GbE when using PPPoE | 16:51 |
| davef | so no concerns there | 16:51 |
| daftykins | mmm other OSs can handle it via multi-queue or just a fast enough CPU can do it fine | 16:52 |
| daftykins | the pfSense devs seem to just close a ticket enquiring about it and have no intention of developing it | 16:52 |
| davef | It's something that needs to be done upstream in FreeBSD | 17:07 |
| daftykins | well that's only the approach when they're unwilling to do something themselves surely | 17:08 |
| daftykins | it's not like some grand broad difficult feature | 17:08 |
| davef | Netgate only develop the fancy UI.. everything else is done in FreeBSD | 17:09 |
| davef | when they "sponsored" the work for Wireguard, it didn't go into pfSense, it went into FreeBSD. | 17:09 |
| daftykins | yeah i get that | 17:09 |
| daftykins | heh, before it was then pulled again :D | 17:09 |
| davef | it was pulled by the freebsd devs because it was crappy code | 17:10 |
| davef | then it was re-engineered as a kernel mod | 17:10 |
| daftykins | yeah i know the whole story around it | 17:10 |
| davef | since then it's been perfectly stable. got a couple fbsd boxes hanging off wireguard back to my router. | 17:11 |
| daftykins | i've no interest in it at present | 17:13 |
| daftykins | weird i only just noticed an email marked as read already that has answers from the client i'd been waiting for for a while | 17:42 |
| daftykins | heh, the German guys at this dentists seem very fond of the FRITZ!Box routers, they want to try and run their phone system solely from that - laughable really | 17:42 |
| daftykins | they're just consumer junk | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Depressingly a lot of people are moving to cloud based voip, like ringcentral | 20:13 |
| daftykins | penguin42: what do you find depressing about it, do you like ol' PSTN? | 21:56 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Well, I mean instead of running their own or controllable voip solution | 22:28 |
| daftykins | penguin42: oh right, well the thing is if i suggest a PSTN adapter to use an existing traditional landline, i can't be 100% it'll keep being do-able once the fibre rollout here continues and copper is switched off | 22:33 |
| penguin42 | nod | 22:36 |
| daftykins | a UK friend suggested i speak to Andrews and Arnold | 22:37 |
| penguin42 | they have a reputation for being able to solve most problems and actually know what they're doing | 22:38 |
| daftykins | pretty positive they wouldn't be able to use a Guernsey number, but their VoIP rates are low - and 1.25p/min isn't too bad for calls to Guernsey landlines | 22:38 |
| daftykins | incoming is more than likely the main mode of operation for a dental surgery, too | 22:39 |
| penguin42 | of course half the people phoning a dental surgery are struggling to speak properly | 22:39 |
| daftykins | lol | 22:40 |
| daftykins | and they all call at 2:30pm | 22:40 |
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