[15:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojppstlgBc [15:25] hot dog linux... i have looked at using dosbox on all my systems for a distraction free ui [15:40] what in horrifying hell is that? seems like a lot of dicking around getting it to work. [15:40] just part of the suffering :-) [15:51] i'm of the camp of install and run these days. I do too much cli at work, I don't need it at home too. [16:10] hehe [16:12] diddledani: any luck overcoming your sleep woes? [16:13] still struggling.. getting about 5 hrs a night atm [16:14] ooh err, i wish i could get by on that so i could be more productive and see daylight hours xD [16:18] thatcher famously got by on 4hours sleep a night. not sure that's a good indicator mind [16:19] yeah i hear you start dreaming about coal miners in that 4 hours [16:19] ;) [16:21] wow my mate got a quote for a phone system at this dentists place he's asked me to do a quote for [16:21] a competitor to our local incumbent wants over £2,500 to put in an ISDN backed Mitel phone system [16:22] isdn. been a while since i saw one of those [16:22] well that's my concern, the incumbent EOL'd ISDN in 2019 according to their news briefs [16:23] my research so far has brought up a £300 Yealink DECT VoIP system, just with the issue of either using an adapter box to take PSTN -> SIP or signing up with a VoIP service instead [16:24] how long does the average phone system last? >10years? will isdn be around then? [16:25] doubt it, i can't even get a call or email back from the incumbent - they at least offer a cloud PBX service, just don't seem to want any business [16:27] or their phone/email service is terrible preventing them from calling you :-) [16:28] haha [16:28] well i caught one of them once by phone when she must have been out to lunch, said she'd be back in after a given time... never answered since [16:33] https://business.sure.com/news-and-insights/2019/sure-launches-cloud-voice-service-as-alternative-to-isdn/ [16:35] i liked isdn, i really did. it was just that ireland telco charged for 2 calls if you wanted 128kbs [16:36] so it was fairly dead in the water on arrival. plus they wanted 128kbs to qualify as broadband as they had equipped the entire island with isdn in the 80s [16:37] i knew some lads back in the day on ISDN, at first i was wowed by the 14 KB/sec download speeds but i found it hilarious when ADSL launched and they had to pay extra to convert their digital lines back over to get it xD [16:38] had to rip out the fibre and bung in good old copper :-D [16:38] eh? it was still copper [16:39] ISDN was lust worthy for us mere 56K modem plebs [16:39] until you saw the price, yeah [16:39] The day that ADSL was turned on in my area, I was one of the first to sign up.. 512K goodness [16:39] i was a mere unemployed nipper in school though so i'd have had no chance, i was lucky my Dad was willing to pay for AOL xD [16:40] yeah same! with the ol' Alcatel Speedtouch USB transceiver as they provided over here [16:40] you didn't get 980 free hours of aol on a floppy?! :-P [16:40] Today I find myself lusting after 3Gbps fiber, which is available in the apartment I'm moving to in June :) [16:41] AKA the "stingray" [16:41] indeedy [16:41] heh, pal in Geneva has 10 Gb - the WAN interface genuinely is capable of 10, but the LAN side ports are 2.5 Gb tops [16:42] it's only due to buying a brand new PC that he got a motherboard with a 2.5 Gb NIC too [16:42] I remember when you maxed out the stingray, it would sometimes desync or even power off if your USB port didn't provide the full output [16:42] :D [16:42] gone are the days of supplying the mgmt.o firmware file to IPCop on an old Pentium II PC as my dedicated router [16:43] anyway, i'm going to get gigabit fiber at the new place. 3gbps is nice, but overkill. [16:44] i agree, since the rollout here will normalise at £125/mo for gigabit, i might only be able to stretch to the next tier down - which looks to be 300/30 [16:44] * zxmpi puts in reminder for 3months from now when davef will be complaining that 3gbs is too slow :-D [16:45] Nah, just going to go with 1Gbps. It's cheaper [16:47] the only problem is the company equipment, it's GPON. so I have to use their router. [16:47] oh eww [16:48] however, i have recently discovered it supports PPPoE, so I plug my router into the second WAN port, PPPoE that thing and boom.. my hardware [16:48] which would be nice.. two public IPs [16:48] they'll just install an ONT here with the NIC to do the same, allegedly [16:49] Bell changed their hardware, the old version you could just unplug the SFP adapter and plug into your own [16:49] sucks my little PCEngines APU systems are hamstrung by pfSense's single-queue single-thread PPPoE implementation though, means they're not gigabit capable [16:49] But the new one the SFP is built-in [16:51] my router can handle GbE when using PPPoE [16:51] so no concerns there [16:52] mmm other OSs can handle it via multi-queue or just a fast enough CPU can do it fine [16:52] the pfSense devs seem to just close a ticket enquiring about it and have no intention of developing it [17:07] It's something that needs to be done upstream in FreeBSD [17:08] well that's only the approach when they're unwilling to do something themselves surely [17:08] it's not like some grand broad difficult feature [17:09] Netgate only develop the fancy UI.. everything else is done in FreeBSD [17:09] when they "sponsored" the work for Wireguard, it didn't go into pfSense, it went into FreeBSD. [17:09] yeah i get that [17:09] heh, before it was then pulled again :D [17:10] it was pulled by the freebsd devs because it was crappy code [17:10] then it was re-engineered as a kernel mod [17:10] yeah i know the whole story around it [17:11] since then it's been perfectly stable. got a couple fbsd boxes hanging off wireguard back to my router. [17:13] i've no interest in it at present [17:42] weird i only just noticed an email marked as read already that has answers from the client i'd been waiting for for a while [17:42] heh, the German guys at this dentists seem very fond of the FRITZ!Box routers, they want to try and run their phone system solely from that - laughable really [17:43] they're just consumer junk [20:13] daftykins: Depressingly a lot of people are moving to cloud based voip, like ringcentral [21:56] penguin42: what do you find depressing about it, do you like ol' PSTN? [22:28] daftykins: Well, I mean instead of running their own or controllable voip solution [22:33] penguin42: oh right, well the thing is if i suggest a PSTN adapter to use an existing traditional landline, i can't be 100% it'll keep being do-able once the fibre rollout here continues and copper is switched off [22:36] nod [22:37] a UK friend suggested i speak to Andrews and Arnold [22:38] they have a reputation for being able to solve most problems and actually know what they're doing [22:38] pretty positive they wouldn't be able to use a Guernsey number, but their VoIP rates are low - and 1.25p/min isn't too bad for calls to Guernsey landlines [22:39] incoming is more than likely the main mode of operation for a dental surgery, too [22:39] of course half the people phoning a dental surgery are struggling to speak properly [22:40] lol [22:40] and they all call at 2:30pm