[02:52] <jo-erlend> I just upgraded from 21.10 to 22.04 Beta. I now have X11 by default and there's no way to change it to Wayland on the login screen. Is this a known bug and does anyone know how I can change it? 
[03:00] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-340
[03:04] <Bashing-om> enigma9o7[m]: ^ Looks like nouveau is what is availabale vice the proprietary 340 driver that Nvidia has droped support: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[03:05] <guiverc> jo-erlend, I'm not aware of any bug or issue taht would make xorg default (except where your hardware is detected as being unable to smoothly run wayland I think the only case where xorg default occurs)
[03:09] <jo-erlend> guiverc, well, I've been using Wayland on 21.10 with no issues on my AMD Kaveri. But the problem isn't just that X11 is default, but that there is no menu on the login screen for me to change it. 
[03:09] <enigma9o7[m]> its tricky, you gotta click it
[03:09] <enigma9o7[m]> after username, before password
[03:09] <enigma9o7[m]> they hide it
[03:09] <enigma9o7[m]> well i mean they dont really hide it but its not obvious
[03:10] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], there is no button to click. 
[03:13] <Bashing-om> enigma9o7[m]: You "might" be able to pick up the Nvidia 340 driver from our PPA: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . Not stated that jammy is supported; but appears there is a later version driver built than that of focal. 
[03:13] <jo-erlend> For now, I would be happy to know how to change sessions manually. 
[03:15] <enigma9o7[m]> Bashing-om: So that's great I can continue to use the prop driver.  But how does that affect wayland?
[03:16] <enigma9o7[m]> Since the 340 driver not being updated, even if still being patched to work, I assume that wont help wayland.....
[03:16] <enigma9o7[m]> So does that mean it's better to use noveau anyway?
[03:16] <enigma9o7[m]> Basically, is noveau's wayland support as good as prop's x11 support?
 "enigma9o7, there is no button to..." <- There is.  You're using gdm right?
[03:17] <enigma9o7[m]> Its down the bottom right corner.
[03:17] <enigma9o7[m]> Its tricky to find.
[03:17] <enigma9o7[m]> it just looks like a random ubuntu logo
[03:17] <Bashing-om> enigma9o7[m]: I actually do not know - is only recently that Nvidia got on the Wayland band wagon.
[03:17] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], I'm telling you that the problem is that there is no button. I know very well where it is supposed to be. It isn't there. 
[03:18] <enigma9o7[m]> well assuming gnome, you have gdm.   Itst here for me.  Lmeee use VM to screenshot it.
[03:18] <enigma9o7[m]> will takea min
[03:18] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], you don't have to. I'm not new at this. I know very well what you mean. It isn't there. 
[03:18] <enigma9o7[m]> after you enter you rusername
[03:19] <enigma9o7[m]> before password
[03:19] <enigma9o7[m]> Its really there.
[03:20] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], please stop. I am telling you that it isn't there. I know very well that it is supposed to be there, 
[03:20]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (100KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iYcKTqVQcdsMoXukcExcfagR/Screenshot%20from%202022-02-08%2019-37-09.png >
[03:20] <enigma9o7[m]> but, i cant take screenshot to prove it anyway cuz i already removed gdm.
[03:20] <enigma9o7[m]> jo-erlend: It is.
[03:21] <enigma9o7[m]> Joe Frelin right?
[03:21] <rawpenguin> morning. installing php on Jammy. Running the build in server. when checking address, i get the 'choose an application to open the localhost link'. What am i missing?
[03:21] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], right. I will take a picture and then you can tell me exactly where it is. Ok? 
[03:22] <jo-erlend> brb
[03:27] <enigma9o7[m]> I have over one thousand five hundred packages.
[03:27]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (342KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VHruJhUBooARaclqnNQCTwvK/Screenshot%20from%202022-04-15%2020-26-36.png >
[03:29] <mybalzitch> 2589
[03:29] <enigma9o7[m]> you win
[03:39] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], can you look at this picture and tell me where to click? https://drive.google.com/file/d/19CzMyy4BmhZEfFKi5Okzvw-4hObe-hBe/view
[03:41] <enigma9o7[m]> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-625a3ad5f221b8.94641184.png
[03:41] <enigma9o7[m]> nope
[03:41] <enigma9o7[m]> try imgur
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> yelp is back in biz! after the webkit/mesa bug fixed
[03:44] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], if you don't want to know, then that is fine. The picture clearly proves that you are wrong about the button being on my screen
[03:45] <enigma9o7[m]> Ummmmm jo, that picture is not viewable.  Its in some kinda google blocked thing.  I even showed you the screenshot.
[03:45] <enigma9o7[m]> If you're suggesting I should click the request acces blah blah and provide you with my name and stuff, well no.
[03:46] <enigma9o7[m]> As to why I suggested try imgur.
[03:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Was because you can post it publically without requiring request access BS.
[03:47] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], sorry. Try it again. I had set the wrong access. 
[03:49] <enigma9o7[m]> Damnit I wish I still had gdm installed on something to try.  Is it that thing on the right?  I feel liek it was bottom right.   Anyway the easy solution is just `sudo apt install sddm` thats what I did when I couldnt figure out how to scroll down in gdm (in that screenshot i shared earlier)
[03:49] <enigma9o7[m]> you'll get some popup about only allowed one login manager; tell it sddm
[03:49] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], it was bottom right until I upgraded. 
[03:50] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah ok so a new bug in gdm.
[03:50] <jo-erlend> I obviously checked to see if it had been moved to the menu in the upper right, but it's not there either. 
[03:50] <enigma9o7[m]> I tried thier IRC channela  month ago about a bug and nobody responded for the week I waited.
[03:50] <enigma9o7[m]> I think there were like 2 other messages the whole week.
[03:50] <enigma9o7[m]> (I exaturate)
[03:51] <enigma9o7[m]> You may be tempted to try lightdm; don't if you want wayland.
[03:53] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], it has already been filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1969243
[03:53] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah ok you are awesome.  
[03:56] <jo-erlend> Actually, I'm not sure that is the right bug report. 
[03:57] <enigma9o7[m]> in any case if yer just trying to workaround, try sddm.
[04:05] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], I have no ssdm package available. 
[04:06] <enigma9o7[m]> sddm
[04:06] <enigma9o7[m]> double d
[04:06] <jo-erlend> aha :)
[04:07] <enigma9o7[m]> its the default login manager for plasma, but mainly its the other one that supports wayland besides gdm
[04:08] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], thanks for the advise. 
[04:08] <jo-erlend> brb
[04:14] <jo-erlend> enigma9o7[m], That worked as a workaround. I hope they fix it in gdm in time for release though, because that felt like a rather extreme regression. 
[04:24] <enigma9o7[m]> well yeah
[05:23] <jo-erlend> It was fun to upgrade again though. I don't think I've done that since 14.04LTS :)
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> morning PaulW2U 
[07:47] <blb201483> 22.04 dmesg needs sudo now, why?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> blb201483: that has been planned for a while, some parts of dmesg could hold sensitive data
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: yelp back in business, after webkit/mesa fix released
[07:49] <blb289959> cat /var/log/kernel.log works without sudo,what's the point?
[07:55] <blb289959> apart from that upgrading using "sudo sed -i 's/focal/jammy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt upate && sudo apt dist-upgrade" worked for me. Nothing is broken surprisingly
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> enigma9o7[m] jo-erlend another bug #1969265
[07:56] <blb289959> but i'm not using ubuntu de, just the package manager
[07:59] <jo-erlend> lotuspsychje, no, my problem is that there's no button to bring up the session selection at all. 
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah, but could be related to gdm bug?
[08:07] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: yes bugs getting fixed and it seems new ones being introduced just days before release :o(
[08:07] <lotuspsychje_> wich one(s) you got in mind?
[08:08] <PaulW2U> bug 1969243
[08:08] <lotuspsychje_> yeah, thats the one enigma9o7[m] and jo-erlend were talking about earlier
[08:22] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje_: your hexchat bug was automatically imported into GitHub overnight: https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/3609
[08:23] <PaulW2U> You might see some activity there rather than Launchpad
[08:24] <lotuspsychje_> ooh sweet PaulW2U tnx, added to favs
[08:33]  * blb289959 eating pizza with spaghetti
[08:38] <blb289959> offtopic: hm, if i bind a tmpfs dir over an existing dir on a harddrive can i still somehow access the last one without removing the bind first?
[08:39] <blb289959> maybe i ask that in #linux
[08:42] <jo-erlend> blb289959, you could bind mount the underlying filesystem somewhere else, so its folder isn't overmounted, I think. 
[08:45] <jo-erlend> blb289959, so if you've mounted your tmpfs on /etc, for instance, then mount --bind / /mnt, then access /mnt/etc for the original etc. Weird example I used. :) 
[09:26] <blb289959> does pulseaudio-module-bluetooth really needs gstreamer now? Why this dep is added?
[09:33] <blb289959> none of *.so files inside of pulseaudio-module-bluetooth package has gstreamer dependency. Why adding it explicitly?
[10:13] <confuseus> i have installed 22.04 on ZFS. how can i remove/hide the rpool and bpool icons from the favourites (just above the trash can)?  they are taking up unnecessary space there
[10:21] <confuseus> see the offending icons here https://imgur.com/a/4QMu9PC
[10:42] <PaulW2U> confuseus: Try Settings | Appearance | Configure dock behaviour - do you see an option to remove those items?
[10:46] <confuseus> Thanks. it seems unticking "include unmounted volumes" did the trick
[10:46] <PaulW2U> Excellent!
[10:52] <LuckyMan> hi, after upgrading to jammy from 21.10 my system is on xorg and doesn't show the circle to choose wayland 
[11:35] <guiverc> LuckyMan, likely this issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1969243
[13:06] <webchat62> I'm new here, and not positive how to do this! I'd like to report a bug in Ubuntu 22.04 on Wayland. `xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW` doesn't provide the expected info. It gives good info for Chromium, Firefox, Opera, but nothing for Terminal, Calculator, LibreOffice Writer, System Monitor. Seems like web browsers work and other apps don't.
[13:06] <webchat62> Here is more info: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1402702/how-to-get-the-current-active-window-in-ubuntu-22-04
[13:18] <tomreyn> webchat62: i'm not sure whether this is actually a bug, or rather by design
[13:18] <tomreyn> !bug | webchat62 
[14:05] <webchat62> Thanks!
[14:08] <jo-erlend> So it seems that the issue I talked about, where the menu button to select sessions in gdm might be hidden because it would only show X11 as the only choice and gdm hides the button when there are no choices. Can anyone confirm that hypothesis? 
[14:09] <jo-erlend> sorry. That sentence was an amalgam of two thoughts, but I hope you understood. :) 
[15:28] <howarth> Hmm
[15:28] <howarth> looks like Wayland on Nvidia may be dropped for the 22.04 LTS
[15:29] <howarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1969243
[15:29] <howarth> Note
[15:29] <howarth> ----
[15:29] <howarth> It is known that Wayland is not currently offered for Nvidia because the Nvidia drivers don't meet GNOME's standards for suspend and resuming from suspend. It is intended that that will be fixed in a stable release update for 22.04 LTS. Once that happens, Wayland should work without needing any change from GDM. (Just a reboot.). This issue is currently being tracked with LP: #1968929
[15:30] <howarth> So Fedora 36 will ship with Wayland on Nvidia and not Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.
[15:31] <oerheks> but there is a egl-wayland  package?
[15:31] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/egl-wayland
[15:35] <howarth> The current plans seems to be to default gdm to not offer Wayland until a newer Nvidia driver release 
[15:36] <howarth> I'd hate to be in their PR department this week
[15:44] <howarth> Rather mind boggling that it isn't even mentioned on the ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing lists
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> howarth: It's being worked on, and a new gdm3 was just uploaded and is awaiting release team approval. The people that are in charge of fixing it are fully aware. Stop coming in here to complain and vent, this isn't the place for it.
[15:58] <howarth> That note seemed pretty clear
[15:59] <howarth> The intention seems to be to postpone Wayland on Nvidia until upstream fixes their drivers
[15:59] <howarth> So 22.04 LTS will now shipped with the Nvidia drivers stuck on X11 until a future update
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> howarth: Again, not the place to complain/vent about it.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> Take it to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:01] <howarth> Hardly off topic
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> Do you need help fixing it?
[16:01] <howarth> just days away from release, it is a really ballsy move
[16:01] <howarth> There is no fix
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> Then it's off-topic.
[16:01] <howarth> a hack, yes
[16:02] <howarth> Says someone obviously not on Nvidia cards
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> howarth: Jeremy Bicha, who is working on it, works for Canonical and is on the desktop team. The bug is marked as "Critical" meaning the priority is highest and is one that should not be ignored before release.
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> howarth: I'm on Nvidia.
[16:05] <howarth> I'd go back to nouveau if I had any faith that it had frequency scaling but the feature set of that driver is extremely opaque
[16:05] <howarth> Lots of vague talk of them adding that around 5-7 years ago but not clear updates on progress
[16:35] <Guest39> HALLO! HILFE!