 hi all,, I've lost the login option : X11, Wayland, etc... on 22.04's SDDM. Am I the one ?
[08:48] <grutsch> hello
[08:48] <grutsch> i am haveing troubles with kubuntu mainly usb
[08:49] <grutsch> i want to some how probe all my usbs i have to see if it picks up my usb speaker
[08:50] <grutsch> i am using kubuntu 20.04lts
[08:50] <grutsch> just installed it
[08:50] <grutsch> on an old machine
[08:50] <grutsch> help me please
[08:51] <grutsch> or could u point me to where i can at least do this on my own
[08:53] <alkisg> grutsch: lsusb
[08:53] <alkisg> You run that in a terminal
[08:54] <grutsch> see its not listed
[08:54] <grutsch> so how do i get my usb speakers to work
[08:55] <grutsch> just wondering
[08:55] <grutsch> thats got to be an audio thing
[08:55] <grutsch> like a dirver
[08:56] <alex29> Will I be able to install the latest LTS on my DELL Inspiron 1720?
[08:56] <grutsch> all my machine is amd 64 bit
[08:57] <grutsch> even the video card is amd
[08:57] <grutsch> its a r9 380 4gb vram
[08:58] <grutsch> is that the issue
[08:58] <grutsch> just wondering
[08:59] <grutsch> is their a way to probe usb to try to install my speakers
[09:00] <grutsch> sorry alex
[09:00] <grutsch> didnt mean to talk
[09:00] <alex29> My laptop has a Core 2 Duo T5445 and a GEFORCE 8600M GT graphics card
[09:00] <alex29> Am I out of luck?
[09:08] <grutsch> i am really a noob when it comes to linux of any flavor
[09:08] <grutsch> but i just wish it would work right out of the box
[09:08] <grutsch> like windows does
[09:08] <grutsch> o well
[09:08] <alkisg> grutsch: so what was the output of lsusb?
[09:09] <alkisg> You can share it with us with: lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:09] <alkisg> It'll show a URL, tell it to us
[09:10] <grutsch> https://termbin.com/foji
[09:11] <grutsch> but i do have to find out if all my usbs are being detected
[09:11] <alkisg> And which USB speakers do you have that don't even show up in lsusb?
[09:11] <grutsch> and that they are working
[09:11] <grutsch> their just hoik usb speaker
[09:11] <alkisg> The USB device detection doesn't need drivers
[09:12] <grutsch> i din't
[09:12] <grutsch> sorry
[09:12] <alkisg> If they're not detected, it means there's a hardware issue involved
[09:12] <grutsch> how do i see if all my usb ports are working right
[09:12] <alkisg> Type this: udevadm monitor
[09:12] <grutsch> like i said its an old machine
[09:12] <alkisg> This will be showing usb events
[09:13] <alkisg> You can pull/plug in devices, and see if they show messages
[09:13] <alkisg> If they do, they work. If they don't show messages, they don't work
[09:13] <grutsch> they don't show messages
[09:13] <grutsch> i had them working on an arch linux
[09:13] <alkisg> Unplug the keyboard, then put it back
[09:13] <grutsch> manjaro
[09:13] <alkisg> Do you see messages from there?
[09:14] <alkisg> These are handled by the kernel, all linux distributions are the same, it doesn't matter which one you use
[09:14] <alkisg> Only the kernel version matters
[09:14] <grutsch> it must of been a newer kernel
[09:15] <alkisg> I don't think you need a newer kernel to see old usb ports
[09:15] <alkisg> Did you see messages by pulling out the keyboard and then back in?
[09:15] <grutsch> nope
[09:15] <alkisg> You're doing something wrong
[09:15] <alkisg> Are you still watching the `udevadm monitor` output?
[09:15] <grutsch> o i thought that was for alex
[09:16] <grutsch> sorry
[09:16] <grutsch> hold on
[09:16] <alkisg> Your USB keyboard was detected, it's impossible for it not to show messages
[09:17] <grutsch> ok thats working
[09:17] <alkisg> When you insert the USB speakers, do you see messages?
[09:17] <grutsch> let me unplug the speakers and plug that in again
[09:18] <grutsch> ok now what
[09:18] <alkisg> > When you insert the USB speakers, do you see messages?
[09:18] <grutsch> i have alot of writing on it
[09:18] <grutsch> it says 2 usb
[09:18] <alkisg> You don't need to read it, just tell me if you see messages
[09:18] <grutsch> and abunch of other stuff
[09:19] <alkisg> Can you pastebin the messages that you see when you insert the USB speakers?
[09:19] <grutsch> the how do i pastebin sorry i am a noob at this
[09:20] <alkisg> Go to paste.debian.net and paste the text there
[09:20] <alkisg> Then tell us the URL
[09:20] <grutsch> want me to do that one thing again
[09:23] <grutsch> paste.debian.net/hidden/61c63ccc
[09:24] <grutsch> ok now what
[09:25] <grutsch> should i update my system?
[09:25] <grutsch> just wondering
[09:25] <grutsch> update and upgrade
[09:26] <alkisg> grutsch: these messages are from the keyboard
[09:26] <alkisg> Can you paste the messages that show up when you plug in the speakers?
[09:26] <grutsch> ok
[09:27] <grutsch> it didn't print any thing
[09:28] <alkisg> Right, so the speakers are not working
[09:28] <alkisg> Now do the same in any distribution where they work
[09:28] <alkisg> (I'm not talking about drivers; I'm saying the don't respond to usb at all)
[09:29] <grutsch> its working now
[09:29] <grutsch> but my mouse stops working now
[09:29] <alkisg> It sounds like a problematic usb port if it's working one time and not the other
[09:29] <alkisg> Maybe lack of power, maybe burned capacitors in the motherboard...
[09:29] <alkisg> I don't think the problem is in linux but in the usb hardware
[09:30] <grutsch> dang
[09:30] <grutsch> like i said it an old board
[09:30] <grutsch> :(
[09:32] <grutsch> thanks for the help
[09:32] <grutsch> :D
 yes, why such a good video card on such a weak CPU ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <alex29> Am I out of luck?)
[12:17] <grutsch> hello
[12:17] <grutsch> any place i can find some friends that would help me with the ins and outs of linux or be a tutor
[12:20] <grutsch> id be willing to pay
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <grutsch> hey
[12:39] <grutsch> why would my mouse stop working when my usb speakers play some thing
[12:40] <grutsch> its a wireless mouse
[12:40] <grutsch> logitech
[12:43] <BluesKaj> have you updated/upgraded your system since installing it?
[12:45] <grutsch> yes
[12:47] <BluesKaj> unfortunately I've never heard of that issue before, so i have no idea about a solution ...yet
[12:47] <grutsch> all i did was sudo apt update && upgrade
[12:47] <BluesKaj> that's the correct command
[12:48] <grutsch> its an old pc
[12:48] <grutsch> i think the kernal is to blame
[12:48] <grutsch> *kernel
[12:49] <grutsch> cuz on arch linux it was working just fine
[12:49] <grutsch> like manjaro
[12:50] <grutsch> so i don't remember what kernel i had
[12:50] <grutsch> it was the lastest manjaro
[12:51] <grutsch> so whatever that had packaged with it
[12:51] <BluesKaj> uname -r in the terminal
[12:51] <grutsch> 5.13.0-39-generic
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu 20.04?
[12:53] <grutsch> yes
[12:53] <grutsch> cuz i heard to go to lts versions
[12:53] <grutsch> sorry if thats dumb
[12:54] <BluesKaj> LTS is good, LTS means long term support for up to 5 yrs
[12:55] <BluesKaj> if you're running an older pc make sure you have at least 4G ram
[12:56] <grutsch> i have 32gb
[12:56] <grutsch> i can tell u that all my parts are amd based
[12:57] <grutsch> cpu is amd video card is amd
[12:57] <BluesKaj> that's fine
[12:59] <grutsch> and i noticed that the icons are bouncing when i open a program u know the one that is next to the mouse pointer
[12:59] <grutsch> *are not
[12:59] <grutsch> and programs are slow to open
[13:00] <grutsch> i havent done any thing else to the pc
[13:01] <grutsch> how can i fix?
[13:03] <grutsch> whats the newest kernel that this flavor supports?
[13:05] <grutsch> i guess their is no help
[13:05] <grutsch> :(
[13:06] <grutsch> or is it to early in the morning
[13:12] <BluesKaj> check your system monitor in the kmenu to see if something is using a lot of resources
[13:15] <grutsch> ok
[13:17] <grutsch> nothing is
[13:18] <BluesKaj> do you use a separate graphics card or is it an onboard?
[13:18] <grutsch> graphics card
[13:18] <grutsch> r9 380
[13:19] <grutsch> i am not sure if i have the right drivers for it
[13:19] <grutsch> i don't know how to check
[13:19] <grutsch> or install
[13:22] <grutsch> i need to install that 3rd party driver for amd gpu
[13:27] <grutsch> how do i install that amd driver
[13:27] <BluesKaj> check the installed driver with: sudo lshw -C video
[13:29] <BluesKaj> sometimes the linux version a gpu is available on the makers website, but they do have issues with keeping them up to date when kernels are upgraded
[13:29] <grutsch> can u help me figure out how to install a deb package
[13:30] <grutsch> just wondering
[13:30] <BluesKaj> sudo dpkg -i nameofdriver
[13:32] <BluesKaj> or you can use the discover package manager to install
[13:32] <BluesKaj> if it's listed
[13:33] <grutsch> it wouldn't install
[13:33] <BluesKaj> someties the package has self installer like some browsers
[13:34] <BluesKaj> what was the error?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> if it's a deb file from a 3rd party you have to add the source package to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:39] <Rivort> Hi Kubuntu Devs, is Kubuntu 21.10 using the KDE Patch Collection? It seems that there's a Qt bug affecting the Discover update page that it is fixed upstream but not in the current version of Kubuntu
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Rivort, try sudo apt update;upgrade in the terminal..discover can be buggy
[13:43] <Rivort> I've everything up to date
[13:43] <Rivort> with backports enabled
[13:52] <BluesKaj> well, i don't bother with discover personally, i use muon but mostly as a package reference guide
[13:56] <Rivort> Yeah, I also tend to avoid Discover but I would like to know if there are plans to include the KDE patch collection to Kubuntu or if that isn't possible due to some technical issue or something
[13:57] <BluesKaj> https://community.kde.org/Qt5PatchCollection
[14:11] <grutsch> hello
[14:13] <BluesKaj> grutsch, if it's a deb file from a 3rd party you have to add the deb source to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:14] <grutsch> i don't know
[14:14] <BluesKaj> you left before I could post that suggestion
[14:14] <grutsch> sorry i left
[14:15] <BluesKaj> no need to be sorry :-)
[14:38] <grutsch> o well
[14:38] <grutsch> lol
[14:39] <BluesKaj> amd has gpu drivers for linux on their website if you're willing to chance it
[16:18] <daemon-420> seen Bluesjk
[16:19] <Dragnslcr> He left about an hour ago
[16:20] <daemon-420> ubuntu is evil - snapd is malware by definition... conducts virtually any behavior an attacker wants - how do I stop snap completely obliterating it and all evidence and packages ever being left on my computer.
[16:21] <daemon-420> Dragnslcr, thank you ... it has been a dogs age
[16:23] <daemon-420> I switched to Mint when cononical introduce the malware but am currently using a VM to learn about the exploit and disable it... the malware called snap or snapd
[16:29] <daemon-420> I followed instructions how to remove snap from ubuntu and all went well except when I went to install chromium - At that point cononical siezed my computer and install snap and chromium without confirming or anything... So it ubuntu's apt-get the malware or snapd?
[16:30] <mparillo> Were these the instructions you followed? https://github.com/popey/unsnap
[16:32] <daemon-420> mparillo, no not those instructions... hey are you that guy from that show?
[16:32] <daemon-420> I dont want to use snaps flats or Apps
[16:32] <mparillo> Nope. I have a face made for IRC.
[16:33] <daemon-420> LOL
[16:34] <daemon-420> a 'Butter's' face from South Park?
[16:35] <daemon-420> but no I have not used the github scripts... is this the only way to control/disable snapd?
[16:37] <daemon-420> Maybe it is time to move on... you can see the writting on the wall - Ubuntu is aiming for a bigger market share so they are letting what we current users rely on be replaced by snapd for ease of use...
[16:38] <daemon-420> I don't want things easy - I want things efficient and stable.
[16:39] <mparillo> I do not really know. I know there are apt commands to freeze certain things, but I have not done that much research. Easier for me to use normal browsers like konqueror, falkon, or qutebrowser.
[16:43] <daemon-420> OK there are my thoughts on Ubuntu... I will use Mint as a backup to my Arch daily driver... snaps, flatpaks and AppImages are bloated and unefficient and are going to take ubuntu and others down a path that Windows has proven detrimental... bloated slow and unstable
[16:45] <daemon-420> mparillo, yeah - goes against my beliefs to have software installed automatically and it's like a fekkin man'd mission to mars to get it to undo.
[16:48] <daemon-420> But yeah I think I was a kubuntu driver sice 2007 and now I only have it installed (ubuntu) on VM cuz of the malware and I need it to fix my buddy's ubuntu install... if things aren't resolved by the fall we are gonna talk about LinuxMint Debian Edition or arco linux
[16:57] <daemon-420> afk
[17:32] <Guest5> Is there an estimate when Kubuntu 22.01 will be released?
[17:36] <Guest5> I found it: https://community.kde.org/Schedules/KDE_Gear_22.04_Schedule
[18:10] <mparillo> I am not sure what you are looking for, but KDE Gear is the new name for KDE Applications. Kubuntu is the Ubuntu flavour shipping KDE Plasma, Frameworks, and some of the KDE Gear (apps).
[18:14] <daemon-420> mparillo, did I say... lol I just scrolled back... I just wanted to be sad in good company with ubuntu doing stuff I don't like
[18:14] <daemon-420> I cannot believe the ubuntu community would embrace these poor changes
[18:17] <daemon-420> my computer is 12 years old and ran kubuntu for the duration until snap got installed without my knowlege then I knew it was time to jump off the sinking ship...
[18:17] <daemon-420> anyway folks thanks for helping me out and listening to my rant
[18:18] <daemon-420> I have no idea what an app is
[18:18] <daemon-420> similar to an application or program I am betting but would never use one.
[18:19] <daemon-420> a folder goes in a file cabinet a directory is a location on a hard drive
 how can i upgrade to 22.04?
 should i wait more or upgrade now?
[18:39] <alkisg> Oov, officially, upgrades to 22.04 will be available in August
 what is beta version?
[18:41] <alkisg> Clean installations will be available next week
 what do you mean by clean
[18:42] <alkisg> Upgrades means you start with 20.04 and keep the programs but you update everything to 22.04
[18:42] <alkisg> Clean installation means you don't keep your programs, you install from scratch
 ok thank you
[21:52] <Elliria> Hey there, is there a channel specifically for Kubuntu bugs or is this the spot to ask about those?
[23:10] <mparillo> You can ask here. Generally the advice is that if you believe it is a packaging bug, you file your bug report on launchpad, but if it is upstream with KDE, you use bugs.kde.org.