[15:29] <gordonjcp> hello
[15:30] <gordonjcp> is there a way in Mate to set a keyboard shortcut for the main menu, like when you click on "Menu" at the top left?
[15:40] <m4t> gordonjcp: it's alt-f1 by default
[15:40] <m4t> Preferences -> Hardware -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Show the panel's main menu
[15:41] <m4t> may depend on which menu you're using though. i'm using the old style one
[15:52] <gordonjcp> m4t: no, that does something completely different
[15:52] <gordonjcp> that looks like a context menu
[15:52] <m4t> works for me.
[15:53] <gordonjcp> okay, let me get a screenshot to show you what I mean
[15:53] <m4t> did you check keyboard shortcuts?
[15:53] <gordonjcp> yes
[15:54] <gordonjcp> that says "main menu", but it doesn't look like the menu you get when you click on the "Menu" icon at the top
[15:54] <m4t> ya you must be using a new menu applet
[15:54] <gordonjcp> this is in Ubuntu 22.04
[15:54] <gordonjcp> so possibly
[15:55] <gordonjcp> hm, having the menu up prevents PrtScr from working, that's a bit hilarious
[15:58] <sixwheeledbeast> It's Alt+F1 for me too
[16:00] <gordonjcp> I'll have to take photographs of the screen, like it was the 90s
[16:01] <gordonjcp> sixwheeledbeast: what does Alt-F1 pop up for you?
[16:02] <sixwheeledbeast> I use Traditional Layout so the Application Menu.
[16:04] <gordonjcp> hm, that doesn't really tell me a lot
[16:10] <gordonjcp> right
[16:11] <gordonjcp> when I press alt-f1 I get https://gjcp.net/altf1.jpg but what I would like to get is https://gjcp.net/mainmenu.jpg
[16:11] <gordonjcp> does that make any sense?
[16:17] <sixwheeledbeast> I get a variation of the first image, the other newer menu may have some other name.
[16:22] <sixwheeledbeast> Alt-F1 being that menu isn't wrong (it's what i want for my layout), but isn't logical for that newer layout I suppose.
[16:25] <sixwheeledbeast> It maybe something you can set/change with dconf but I wouldn't know where exactly.
[16:28] <gordonjcp> :-/
[16:32] <gordonjcp> any idea what it would be called?
[16:40] <sixwheeledbeast> Does Super Key on it's own not work?
[16:41] <gordonjcp> is that the "flag" key?
[16:41] <sixwheeledbeast> I think they switched to the Brisk Menu which i am not fond of. So I have the Traditional Layout and Classic Menu.
[16:41] <gordonjcp> don't know, don't have one on this compact keyboard, let me dig a USB keyboard out and try it
[16:41] <sixwheeledbeast> Like the "Windows" key
[16:42] <gordonjcp> not sure what that is
[16:42] <gordonjcp> the one with the little flag on?
[16:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Brisk was used to provide Super key support
[16:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Between Ctrl and Alt
[16:42] <gordonjcp> yeah
[16:43] <sixwheeledbeast> That should bring up the Brisk Menu if you have a layout with the Brisk menu
[16:43] <sixwheeledbeast> If not I have no idea.
[16:44] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe some other shortcut has collided with it if you changed them
[16:45] <gordonjcp> no, this is just default
[16:45] <gordonjcp> it worked before in 20.04, but I don't know what I did for that
[16:45] <sixwheeledbeast> The idea was that Super Key would open the brisk menu with the search box in famillar layout. I much prefer the Classic Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 from gnome 2. 
[16:45] <sixwheeledbeast> the super key worked or Alt-F2?
[16:45] <gordonjcp> alt-f1
[16:46] <gordonjcp> alt-f2 has always popped up a "run command" box
[16:46] <gordonjcp> I don't see why alt-f1 is useful
[16:46] <gordonjcp> you still need to pick up the mouse to use the menu
[16:46] <sixwheeledbeast> You are opening the menu to select with arrow keys. I use both.
[16:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, I see that the arrow keys work now, but that's even more annoying
[16:47] <sixwheeledbeast> I have used those two for over a decade so used to them.
[16:48] <sixwheeledbeast> Not sure i don't have 22.04 or that layout to try and help.
[16:48] <gordonjcp> no worries :-)
[16:48] <gordonjcp> yeah I absolutely hated the way the menus worked in Gnome 1
[16:48] <gordonjcp> Gnome 2 was such an improvement