[00:04] <morganu> better late than never: Unlike su, the sudo command will request the password of the current user, not the root password.  Because of its security implications, sudo access is not granted to users by default, and must be set up before it functions correctly. Check out our How To Create a New Sudo-enabled User quickstart tutorials for Ubuntu and CentOS to learn how to set up a sudo-enabled user.
[00:04] <morganu> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-edit-the-sudoers-file
[00:07] <sarnold> that's a decent enough guide, good call
[00:08] <sarnold> I really hate the sudo documentation; it's just so *dense* when what most people need is two or three very simple examples
[00:09] <sarnold> 99% of users will only ever use 1% of sudo's functionality, but the docs are written to be completely comprehensive.. (even this DO guide is imho too detailed, but it's definitely better for most people than the official docs)
[00:10] <ravage> make-sudo-great-again.com is still available :)
[00:10] <sarnold> lol
[00:11] <sarnold> I was just thinking of an ubuntu wiki page, but ..
[00:11] <sarnold> you've shown me my ambitions were perhaps too limited
[00:12] <matsaman> 'man sudo', /EXAMPLS
[00:12] <matsaman> /EXAMPLES, even
[00:12] <matsaman> /etc/sudoers has its own examples usually
[00:12] <matsaman> but Ubuntu's way of using sudo is really an abuse of its purpose. Not that Ubuntu is alone in this approach
[00:14] <sarnold> matsaman: heh, the sudoers(5) EXAMPLES is around 200 lines of stuff, of which *one* feels like it's the level of simplcity that most people need:
[00:15] <sarnold>      joe             ALL = /usr/bin/su operator
[00:15] <sarnold> even that one line is funny because it just lets the user in question run su. that's such a stupid example :)
[00:15] <matsaman> the whole thing is pretty stupid
[00:15] <sarnold> lol
[00:16] <sarnold> it's been a few years since I looked at the doas program, but I remember thinking it'd be really nice to switch..
[00:17] <matsaman> I mean, ordinary normo people shouldn't be the use case for using plain sudo
[00:17] <matsaman> all the GUI frontends have always been a huge mess, though, for sure
[00:18] <sarnold> aye, I've got complaints about polkit, too! ;)
[00:18] <blugreen> hi everyone,may i ask assistance on how to know if the device issue is connected w/ kernel,driver,or hardware fault ? im troubleshooting a wifi adapter
[00:18] <sarnold> blugreen: there's no easy way to tell.
[00:18] <Unit193> sarnold: There's an ITP for opendoas-portable so soon both will be in the archive. :P
[00:18] <leftyfb> bluesabre: did the newer kernel help you?
[00:19] <blugreen> sarnold, it was working fine 3 days ago. :(
[00:19] <blugreen> leftyfb, stil freezing
[00:19] <leftyfb> bluesabre: I would look into hardware issues
[00:20] <blugreen> leftyfb,  im using wavemon on that particular adapter for monitoring,it shows its connected,but no ping
[00:22] <blugreen> is there a utility app tester for wifi adapters? just like a ram tester
[00:22] <sarnold> oh dang that'd be nice
[00:23] <sarnold> any chance you might have turned off power saving mode a while ago, and after a reboot need to turn off power save mode again?
[00:23] <sarnold> powersave modes can lead to poor experience, and the usual way to turn it off isn't persistent across reboots
[00:24] <blugreen> sarnold, is powersave mode same as power mgt ?
[00:24] <sarnold> blugreen: yeah
[00:24] <blugreen> it is set to off & persistent after reboot
[00:26] <blugreen> any other way of checking system integrity aside from forcefck on boot ?
[00:28] <leftyfb> blugreen: maybe try an ubuntu live usb and see if you still have issues
[00:30] <blugreen> ayt,i need to DL and setup a live ubuntu18 then
[00:30] <leftyfb> blugreen: use ubuntu 20.04
[00:30] <blugreen> noted.
[00:31] <blugreen> mswindows has a system check utility after a system crash,does ubuntu has 1 too ?
[00:33] <sarnold> not really, there's memtest86 and memtest86+, those are handy; you can run debsums -c to make sure a lot of the files have reasonable checksums..
[00:33] <blugreen> gotcha
[00:33] <sarnold> if you've got zfs installed, starting a scrub can help you find corruption on the disk beyond just the files in the debsums indexes
[00:34] <blugreen> is there a smaller version of live ubuntu 20.04 ?
[00:34] <blugreen> will add zfs to my to do list
[00:36] <leftyfb> blugreen: zfs is a filesystem which you are not using.
[00:37] <leftyfb> blugreen: you've given no indication that your issue is related to your filesystem or storage device
[00:38] <blugreen> leftyfb, yea,im jz being thourough,coz theres a lot of force shutdown lately coz of the adapter
[00:38] <leftyfb> blugreen: also, "system check utility" in windows is not a hardware diagnostic tool. You're probably referring to sfc which is only to check the health of Windows system files. Nothing to do with hardware or even drivers
[00:53] <carnophage2> hi
[01:09] <carnophage2> hi
[01:13] <transhumanist> hi! where are the linux headers for ubuntu 21.10?
[01:15] <leftyfb> transhumanist: sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:15] <transhumanist> sudo apt install linux-header-$(uname -r)    <<< ah made a boo-boo ..lol
[01:17] <transhumanist> anyone know wehre ashmem and binder for anbox are now located, they dont seem to both be in the kernel anylonger
[01:17] <transhumanist> wehre* where
[01:17] <transhumanist> that is there is no long a binder module
[01:18] <leftyfb> transhumanist: try: /join #anbox
[01:18] <transhumanist> ah I thought it was now a ubuntu thing
[01:18] <transhumanist> thanks
[01:25] <blugreen> got dc.can i send error screenshot here ?
[01:28] <basenjis> That is a channel #anbox
[01:35] <kryten> blugreen: You are welcome to share a link to an image hoster, yeah.
[01:36] <sdtr443w> My box *really* wants to keep using nouveau. I blacklisted it in modprobe.d and on the grub command line, but it just keeps showing up.
[01:37] <sdtr443w> This happened to me with 20.04 and now on 22.04. I think I purged it last time and hijinx ensued.
[01:40] <blugreen> anyone knows how to trace this error msg pls ? https://ibb.co/W2TT30B
[01:41] <sdtr443w> I notice if I try to remove libdrm-nouveau2 that it wants to, like, delete my computer. :p
[01:41] <leftyfb> blugreen: looks like you're running some sort of electron application and not one native to ubuntu
[01:42] <blugreen> i dont remember using an app electron :(
[01:42] <leftyfb> blugreen: when do you see that error?
[01:42] <sdtr443w> So I guess I remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and nouvea-firmware (then running update-initramfs -u or whatever)
[01:42] <sdtr443w> Probably brick the computer lol
[01:42] <sdtr443w> Well here goes. Probably not going to be back online for awhile since I'll be on a live USB stick recovering. :p
[01:43] <blugreen> leftyfb, its 2days now.seeing that error.. event before that: not so sure
[01:43] <leftyfb> blugreen: there's probably some application or something running to cause that
[01:57] <sdtr443w> Okay so my X environment is apparently driven by a zombie nouveau driver because I deleted the xorg-xserver-nouveau package, reinstalled the nvidia packages, blacklisted nouveau in modprobe.d and the grub default config, updated the initramfs and grub, rebooted, and here I am
[02:13]  * LiberaOPEr AstaraOS has been released https://cryptobug.wordpress.com ... . Enjoy Guys ... .
[02:57] <sdtr443w> Nouveau still loading despite every last little thing
[03:41] <transhumanist> I have copied the linux config from boot for same kernel and want to add 5 lines to the end of it and have it compile the kernel based on this new config. How do I do this?
[03:43] <transhumanist> after making the changes to the config in the root of kernel source do I then run the commands in the """'Building the kernel""" section on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[05:54] <ice9> i'm on 21.10; why the linux hwe package is installed and why it's not showing up in /boot https://bpa.st/RBPA
[06:00] <Bashing-om> ice9: HWE applies to Long Term support releases, 21.10 is an interum release.
[06:00] <Bashing-om> !hwe | ice9
[06:01] <ice9> Bashing-om, i know what hwe is, my initial question is why it is installed on 21.10?
[06:01] <ice9> i didn't install it
[06:03] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic impish
[06:13] <JoeBk> hello
[06:17] <JoeBk> does anyone know the time of day the release will happen?
[06:43] <nikolam> I am on 21.10 Xubuntu. I wonder why my Hard disk drive connected to USB (2.5" SATA) is never visible after starting machine, but i need to re-plug it in USB connection in order for it to be recognized in the system..
[06:45] <nikolam> I have OpenZFS pool on that 1 USB external drive (I have put it in USB enclosure) and wnat it to be imported automatically and it seems something stops USB drive to be recognized in the system until re-pugged
[06:45] <nikolam> plugged
[06:46] <JoeBk> nikolam, does gparted see the drive?
[08:52] <knightwise> heyhey kids
[08:52] <knightwise> #howarya
[09:18] <Guest095> How do I change hz of my ubuntu 21.10? My display supports 144hz but i can only see it being 60hz
[09:23] <Guest095> ill will try if dropping driver from nvidia 510 propietary to 470 propietary,tested   helps
[09:25] <oxfuxxx> I think you can do this in the settings of nvidia-cfg where you configure the screen?
[09:28] <Guest095> wasnt available in nvidia-settings
[09:28] <Guest095> will reboot now see if older driver help
[09:35] <bittin> https://conf.fsfe.org/b/foss-north Talks at FOSS-North Online 2022 coming up
[10:09] <nikolam> JoeBk, gparted does not show the drive. Drive only shows when it is unpugged then plugged again in USB
[10:17] <anyone_> my autopep8 dosent work at vscoe
[10:29] <anyone_> Hi autopep8 and virtualenv in vscode dosent work but autopep8 in terminal worked ; can some body help me ??
[10:37] <wez> anyone_: I don't remember vscode being a part of Ubuntu, I wish I could help though :(
[10:38] <anyone_> Thanks
[10:50] <ox0000ff> Does it make any difference if I install 22.04 before its official release?
[10:57] <ogra> ox0000ff, it can ... bugs from a pre-release might set wrong defaults that get fixed only for release-to-relase upgrades ... so when installing from a pre-release you should watch the uploads and changes carefully and make sure your defaults are adjusted accordingly
[10:58] <ogra> beyond this you will indeed get all changed release binaries on release day with a simple apt upgrade ...
[11:02] <guiverc> ox0000ff, Ubuntu 22.04 isn't supported here, it's supported via #ubuntu-next
[11:05] <ogra> that too (for another two days)
[11:06] <ox0000ff> ...forgot my laptop was set to sleep when the lid was closed. Thx Orga.
[11:26] <WeeBey> Hello frens! I'm excited. I came across a post on bugzilla.kernel.org that may fix issues with my touchpad + suspend. However, I'd like to know: How do I disable the touchpad before the system goes to suspend (i.e., when lid is closed)? Would I add something to to grub to unload the i2c_hid_acpi and i2c_hid modules?
[11:26] <WeeBey> I'm thinking that if I unload the modules before the system suspends, then enable them after suspend, I wouldn't lose my touchpad on suspend.
[11:33] <kisakye> Hello, having an issue with linux mint 20.2
[11:34] <Jeremy31> kisakye: ircs://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
[11:37] <WeeBey> I think I found that I can make a bash script and put it /lib/systemd/system-sleep/. maybe i can load and unload the modules this way.
[11:53] <WeeBey> added the script to the system-sleep folder and it didn't work. :-(
[12:04] <Guest5> Hello, has anyone here successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot?
[12:05] <Guest5> I have other partitions in use so I cannot do whole drive encryption, I would have to use an encrypted swap partition.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:51] <Guest5> Hello, has anyone here successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot? I have other partitions in use so I cannot do whole drive encryption, I would have to use an encrypted swap partition.
[12:53] <ydu1364634> well, provided that the 22.04 release is planned for 21.April, then all questons about 22.04 are legit in #ubuntu since 2h53m
[12:54] <rob0> the release is in what TZ?  UTC?  Not there yet.
[12:58] <ydu1364634> no TZ is mentioned, so deal with it ))
[12:59] <ydu1364634> i have no questions yet, just trolling all those pesky #ununtu-nexters
[13:00] <ydu1364634> pesky !ubuntu-next ers ☝ ☝ ☝ ☝
[13:01] <Guest5> ydu1364634 and rob0, have you successfully set up hibernation with Secure Boot?
[13:03] <hype> I wanna learn ubuntu on my VPS.
[13:03] <ydu1364634> i've never used hibernation, i'm using suspend
[13:03] <rob0> Guest5: why do you specifically ask me?
[13:05] <ydu1364634> because those were 2 active nicks he saw after he joined
[13:06] <Guest5> Indeed, of 1040 nicks, you were one of the few that showed signs of life ;)
[13:06] <rob0> sure, but I want to point out that's not how IRC works
[13:07] <rob0> I've never even had an Ubuntu on a physical machine.  So I won't answer things I have no experience in.
[13:08] <Guest5> Great, now I know that of 1043 people, at least one has not tried this feature.
[13:09] <jongsta> if i want to restrict my server to use a locally hosted repo, what's the best way to do this? replace the /etc/apt/source.list with the new list?
[13:10] <rob0> !patience > Guest5
[13:22] <clarkk> I've set Settings > Wifi > My local AP > IPv6 to Disable, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Can anyone tell me why?
[13:23] <clarkk> ** IPv6 > IPv6 Method to disable
[13:40] <leftyfb> clarkk: what do you expect the result to be and what are you seeing? What version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:02] <clarkk> leftyfb, Well, I guess my first question should have been to ask where the documentation is for it
[15:03] <leftyfb> clarkk: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:05] <ogra> the one without documentation ?
[15:07] <jhutchins> Guest8100: Why do you have secure boot on?  Do you need to keep other people from installing linux on your system?
[15:08] <clarkk> leftyfb, sorry, 20.04
[15:08] <leftyfb> clarkk: what do you expect the result to be and what are you seeing?
[15:09] <clarkk> leftyfb, I would have expected ipv6 to be disabled for that gateway, but ip -6 route still shows it
[15:09] <clarkk> leftyfb, but I'm just guessing, because I haven't seen the docs for this
[15:10] <leftyfb> clarkk: define "disabled for that gateway"
[15:10] <clarkk> leftyfb, I haven't seen the docs, so it's a pure guess.  No ipv6 default route
[15:11] <leftyfb> clarkk: what is this machine exactly? Is it acting as a gateway/router?
[15:11] <clarkk> leftyfb, the local machine? No, just a standard workstation
[15:12] <leftyfb> clarkk: is your gateway giving out ipv6 addresses?
[15:12] <clarkk> leftyfb, I believe so
[15:13] <leftyfb> clarkk: is your gateway/router configured to give out ipv6 addresses? Otherwise, a machine assigning itself ipv6 shouldn't be an issue in most cases
[15:19] <Guest512> Do language packs take up a lot of space? There are very many of them, which I am unlikely to ever use.
[15:21] <clarkk> leftyfb, I would like to temporarily and programmatically disable (and re-enable) the default gateway for ipv6.  I was just experimenting with this particular setting in case that isn't possible.  The docs viewed by hitting F1 doesn't really go into that much detail about each individual setting, from what I can tell
[15:25] <ogra> Guest512, gnome-language-selector lets you remove the ones you do not need IIRC
[15:26] <ogra> (from an installed system that is ... won't work in a live session indeed)
[15:27] <leftyfb> I don't think they take up much space
[15:27] <Guest512> ogra, thanks. Do you know about kubuntu?
[15:27] <transhumanist> is there better directions (more complete) step by step including custom naming kernel and generating running .config  and stuff including signing the kernel and all  for Ubuntu kernels on 21.10? These directions seem insufficient https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[15:28] <leftyfb> transhumanist: #anbox did tell you that the modules for anbox are included in ubuntu, did they not?
[15:28] <Guest512> In my installation downloading kubuntu language packs is taking about half an hour and estimated to take another 15-71 minutes.
[15:28] <transhumanist> they are not included in 21.10 so it seems one of them is not compiled in the kernel
[15:29] <transhumanist> due to some security change and issue
[15:29] <ogra> Guest512, nope, i dont, but there should be #kubuntu to help you
[15:29] <transhumanist> anyway I just have a few problems with my custom kernel (ones i just listed)
[15:29] <Guest512> thanks ogra, I did not know that.
[15:30] <leftyfb> transhumanist: it's in 20.04. Maybe go with that since 20.10 will be EOL in 3 months
[15:30] <leftyfb> sorry, 21.10
[15:30] <transhumanist> what you mean upgrade again?
[15:30] <transhumanist> I cant really downgrade
[15:31] <leftyfb> transhumanist: nope, I mean reinstall with 20.04 since that is an LTS release that will be supported for another 3 years where-as the OS your running will only be supported for 3 months
[15:31] <leftyfb> also, 21.10 doesn't do what you want and 20.04 does
[15:31] <transhumanist> I am using tpmv2 and there seems to be some issues still when upgrading (as in it seems to loose the tpmv2 signatures during upgrade ( or forgets to ask for the password I should day)
[15:32] <transhumanist> I can reinstall and preserve my home directory which is on a separate partition ( but the TPMv2 thing will screw it over I think)
[15:32] <transhumanist> make it inaccessible
[15:35] <rob0> transhumanist: just curious, are you sure you need a custom kernel?
[15:35] <transhumanist> one question to qualify before answering rob0 can I in the future upgrade to 21.04 from 21.10
[15:36] <transhumanist> I forget if there is a path for this
[15:36] <leftyfb> transhumanist: 20.04, not 21.04
[15:36] <transhumanist> sorry I mean t 21.04 from 21.10
[15:36] <leftyfb> no
[15:36] <leftyfb> 21.04 is EOL
[15:36] <leftyfb> you want 20.04
[15:36] <ogra> or wait two days for 22.04
[15:37] <leftyfb> transhumanist: you'll want to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 eventually which will be released this week
[15:38] <jongsta> i'm removing a kernel that i'm currently running and previously had no issue but now when i try i get a warning prompt that asks if i want to abort the kernel removal
[15:38] <leftyfb> jongsta: it's going to warn you if you're trying to remove the running kernel
[15:39] <rob0> one day, is it not tomorrow?
[15:39] <jongsta> i'm using apt-get -y purge kernel-package
[15:39] <jongsta> leftyfb: is there any way to force ignore it? i thought -y would do it and seemed to before
[15:39] <jongsta> oh wait, i know what's going on, one sec
[15:39] <leftyfb> jongsta: not sure, maybe look in the man page
[15:39] <jongsta> disregard
[15:39] <ogra> rob0, depends on the part of the world you are in 😉
[15:41] <ogra> typically the latest moment for release is when the last timezone in the world leaves Apr 21 ... for many that can be the 22nd already
[15:41] <leftyfb> I like to say this week because people go nuts when it reaches 00:00:01 AM their local time and they can't download it
[15:41] <ogra> yeah
[15:41] <rob0> hehe
[15:41] <ogra> the impatient ones ... fun at every release
[15:46] <transhumanist> leftyfb: how do I resolve the loss of access to my /home directory issue in a relatively safe way (I have no room to back up a TB of data < I know how to reinstall I just don't know how to get the installer to acknowledge the proper TPMv2 signing of the /home directory?
[15:46] <leftyfb> transhumanist: if you don't have backups, the data isn't important
[15:47] <JoeBk> transhumanist, you need to get external usb drive
[15:50] <transhumanist> its a question of finances right now, the cobblers kids shoes types of deal. I will see if I can get space on terms with onedrive and see if I can copy important data to it from Linux, Problem of course though is my windows guest VM which is going to be one damn big file copy
[15:50] <transhumanist> anyway I will look into it
[15:52] <transhumanist> to better get the problem, leftyfb JoeBK , my external backup raid unit went up in smoke
[15:53] <ubunt1> how fast is your internet
[15:53] <transhumanist> good speed
[15:53] <ubunt1> well thats good
[15:53] <transhumanist> 300 meg or so
[15:55] <transhumanist> it wont be so bad actually /home has only 58 gig in it but it does mean loss of android studio which is in the / for some reason
[15:55] <transhumanist> its ok no biggy
[16:34] <transhumanist> seems I am all set, deleted a bunch of useless crap off old drive, enough to backup all the data at least. Any idea on the best way to avoid the tpmv2 issues on a rollback  (preserving home directory ) I would rather not start all over with rebuilding the layout of the home directory if possible, it is possible but I prefer not to
[16:36] <Guest512> transhumanist, how did you get into a TPM problem? Wondering what I need to avoid ...
[16:37] <fikran> I installed ohmybash/zsh, but my terminal is missing some fonts. I recall in the past I downloaded some fonts from a 3rd party site and the characters were rendering correctly.
[16:39] <transhumanist> I built it with TPMv2 being enabled , did signature signing and all sorts of crap and vTPM as well for guests (I did it because work wanted to go that way) but on my first install with vTPMv2 I attempted an in place upgrade to ubuntu 21.10 (time before this one) and it litterally never asked for the TPMv2 password so it was a big problem , drive became inaccessible (or at least I have no idea how to get it back (only thing is I have the
[16:39] <transhumanist> key thats in the system bios and I know the password (so some day it might be possible. I just dont need a repeat of that when I redo the install
[16:40] <transhumanist> s/possible. / possible.)
[17:02] <transhumanist> Guest512: https://run.tournament.org.il/ubuntu-20-04-and-tpm2-encrypted-system-disk/ this might be of some help, I have written a whole process (and its burried somewhere for installing TPMv2 on windows and linux also TPMv2 bipass instructions for windows 11. BACKUPS really are a necessity with an offline off site storage in a locked area with a password list and encryption keys printed on payer behind the well locked doors because failu
[17:02] <transhumanist> res means loosing everything
[17:03] <Guest512> high stakes game with data
[17:10] <transhumanist> Guest512: here you go if you like signed adventures (not this does not include bitlocker encryption , I was going to save that for a future adventure into virtual tpm . My directions for windows 11 bipass come from github ... see google for something like : """  windows 11 tpmv2 bipass github """
[17:11] <transhumanist> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cvrTr3YfVm/
[17:11] <jongsta> nevermind, what i thought happened didn't happen heh
[17:11] <transhumanist> anyway my data is backed up , time to see if this is going to be a crap show
[17:12] <jongsta> this script was working last week. it installed the 5.4 kernel, updated /etc/grub.conf to boot into it, rebooted the server which loaded the 5.4 kernel
[17:12] <jongsta> but that's not working anymore for some reason
[17:15] <jongsta> i think i see the problem
[17:23] <ogra> jongsta, ubuntu has never in its life used /etc/grub.conf ... in fact the grub configuration has always been generated from the values in /etc/default/grub ... if you need to adjust something do it there and run update-grub afterwards
[17:24] <jongsta> sorry, i meant /etc/default/grub
[17:25] <jongsta> and i found the problem. sometime in the last week there was an update to the 5.4 kernel and my script was setting the previous version to load
[18:45] <ahmed_> hellp
[18:47] <blahboybaz> I'm wondering if the install software for ubuntu has a way you can use the default install options as a base but go in and just tweak the size of one thing (as opposed to starting from scratch on everything)?
[18:49] <genii> blahboybaz: What is it you wanted to modify?
[18:50] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[18:52] <genii> Because most things generally have a .conf file somwhere you can edit. But there's also dpkg-reconfigure for some others, if it's something like a compile-time option which needs to be changed then it starts getting messy
[18:58] <blahboybaz> genii: In my current installation (20.04) the I have run into trouble with "/boot" being too small - but I like the default configuration aside from that one thing. If/when I install a later version or on another machine I want to increase the size of "/boot" slightly but leave everything else according to default parameters
[18:59] <blahboybaz> I know that it is possible to resize logical volumes (lvm) but I would rather make it easy during the install process than later go try to resize something
[19:01] <blahboybaz> iirc - the linux files system (ext4?) is superior mostly because it does not have fragmentation issues (like fat and ntfs) but resizing a volume (lvm) results in fragmentation - iirc
[19:01] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[19:01] <blahboybaz> yay!
[19:01] <ogra> heh, the factoids could need an update for tomorrow
[19:02] <Chunkyz> ogra: indeed...
[19:03] <rob0> haha
[19:03] <Chunkyz> rob0: *what's* funny?
[19:06] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the default installer on ubuntu will not make a separate /boot AFAIK. Unless you're doing FDE
[19:07] <genii> blahboybaz: I would suspect that  your /boot is being filled up with old kernels, which could be cleaned up with: sudo apt --purge autoremove
[19:08] <carnophage2> i am having problems with one of my ubuntu vms.  It seems to have trouble starting up and crashes/freezes.
[19:09] <leftyfb> carnophage2: what version of ubuntu is it running?
[19:09] <carnophage2> how do i check?
[19:10] <leftyfb> carnophage2: if you can get on it, cat /etc/os-release
[19:11] <leftyfb> usually people know what version they installed
[19:13] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: That link you gave refers to installing on a virtual machine - I'm talking about a bare metal install. Also it doesn't say anything (that I can find) about default settings or patition or volume sizes. My "/boot" is being filled up with old kernel but purging them is not what I would prefer. I would prefer to not have the problem.  Now, I'm not sure what the source of the problem is (why old
[19:13] <blahboybaz> kernels pile up) but it doesn't seem to continue forever - they don't keep piling up they just exceed the space available.  And I'm not sure the best way to eliminate the problem (so I don't have to deal with it periodically) but I thought that making either/and/or making "/boot" its own volume or partition and increasing its size (especially increasing its size) might do that
[19:13] <carnophage2> I am using Focal Fossa
[19:13] <blahboybaz> fwiw I am not planning on actually doing an install any time soon nor a reinstall just trying to get information for the next time
[19:14] <rob0> Chunkyz: the factoid?  Sorry.
[19:14] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the link I gave you is not specific to virtual machines. They aren't even mentioned on the page
[19:14] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: in the future, don't make a separate /boot partition
[19:15] <blahboybaz> I had hoped there was a way to simply edit the default install configuration so that you get to start with the default settings not from scratch
[19:15] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: the default is not to have a separate /boot
[19:15] <leftyfb> leave it at that and you'll be fine
[19:16] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: ok but the actual question was ^ not the means by which to perform an install
[19:16] <blahboybaz> omg
[19:16] <blahboybaz> Its cool I'll try to revisit the question another time
[19:16] <blahboybaz> thanks
[19:17] <carnophage2> But it seems every few days the machine starts having problems and won't boot at all, or starts throwing errors at startup
[19:18] <carnophage2> I don't know if it's vbox or the vm itself and am sort of lost.
[19:18] <matsaman> carnophage2: what errors
[19:18] <matsaman> copy them down next time
[19:19] <carnophage2> Sometimes just blinking cursor, sometimes blank screen, and this last time there were vbox memory errors
[19:19] <carnophage2> And I'm not doing anything unusual with the machine other than installing xubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <carnophage2> and it was working before, so i am at a loss.
[19:20] <matsaman> what version of vbox? Might just try older or newer first
[19:21] <carnophage2> I'll look into that right now, i had considered that myself.
[19:21] <lmat> I'm trying
[19:21] <lmat> lol, oops
[19:27] <lmat> I'm trying to install php5.6-zip like it says https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38104348 (and elsewhere). I tried php5.6-zip and php-zip, no cigar.  E: Unable to locate package php5.6-zip
[19:27] <sarnold> that answer is from six years ago
[19:27] <sarnold> php5.6 is no longer the newest thing :)
[19:29] <lmat> sarnold: Since when has ubuntu been focused on "newest thing"? :-P
[19:29] <lmat> sarnold: Yeah, I know it's old. So php-zip for 5.6 is a no go? I guess I'll have to get more creative!
[19:32] <sarnold> lmat: if you installed php 5.6 yourself, you're going to be responsible for supplying the packages, too, yeah
[19:33] <lmat> sarnold: I'm using the php:5.6-apache docker image. Same thing I guess ;-)
[19:35] <sarnold> lmat: aha! then you get to ask them to supply the package? :)
[19:36] <lmat> sarnold: I guess so!
[19:38] <NCEric> Hi, I've ran "sudo gpasswd -a myuser docker" and even after logging out and back in I still don't see my group applied.  SSH'ing in or doing "su - $USERID" works... but not logging out and back in
[19:39] <NCEric> Seems there is some process "/lib/systemd/systemd --user" that is a parent process.
[19:40] <NCEric> logging out and back in doesn't change this... it'll always be a child process of that one which doesn't think it's part of that group
[19:40] <sarnold> oh weird
[19:41] <sarnold> NCEric: my guess, loginctl enable-linger is probably related
[19:41] <genii> blahboybaz: At the kernel loading line you can specify d-i ( debian-installer) directives. So conceivably you could put a few partman recipes there which would get handed off to the installer
[19:41] <sarnold> does your terminal program in your desktop environment get launched from that thing?
[19:42] <NCEric> sarnold, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1045993/after-adding-a-group-logoutlogin-is-not-enough-in-18-04
[19:42] <sarnold> NCEric: lol I'ver already upvoted that question and answer.. go figure
[19:42] <NCEric> I'll try running "loginctl terminate-user $USER" from an SSH session I guess
[19:42] <sarnold> NCEric: thanks :D
[19:42] <NCEric> this is my only user.  Would be wrong to run this from a graphical login.... but this is a stupid VM so who cares
[19:43] <NCEric> watch me disappear from this chat now after running it ;-)
[19:43]  * NCEric runs `loginctl terminate-user $USER` from the same session he's using HexChat from
[19:43] <ogra> command works 🙂
[19:44] <sarnold> :D
[19:46] <lmat> sarnold: This one is pretty new? https://linux-packages.com/ubuntu-focal-fossa/package/php56-zip
[19:46] <sarnold> lmat: if ondrej maintains one and you want to use his, go for it
[19:47] <lmat> sarnold: Sorry, ondrej?
[19:47] <lmat> I don't see ondrej on that page...
[19:48] <sarnold> lmat: ondrej sury maintains a big pile of php packages -- including that one there
[19:48] <lmat> Oh? Do you see a reference to php5.6-zip?
[19:48] <sarnold> lmat:  Filename: pool/main/p/php5.6/php5.6-zip_5.6.40-52+ubuntu20.04.1+deb.sury.org+1_amd64.deb
[19:49] <sarnold> lmat: note the 'sury' in the version string, ondrej uses that to make it easy for people to recognize his packages
[19:49] <rob0> is that the ISC dude?
[19:50] <sarnold> yeah
[19:50] <leftyfb> I like his dhcp server :)
[21:16] <mra90> I see that ssh server I connect to uses "ssh-ed25519" algorithm while my public key is RSA - nevertheless I am able to connect without any issue
[21:16] <mra90> how is it possible?
[21:19] <leftyfb> mra90: "uses" != exclusively
[21:19] <mra90> leftyfb, what do you mean?
[21:20] <leftyfb> mra90: just because it supports ed25519 doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't support RSA
[21:20] <mra90> leftyfb, can I ask host for its supporting algorihims?
[21:29] <mra90> ok I got it
[21:45] <Billy9> Hello
[21:48] <matsaman> hi bill
[21:52] <Billy9> Hi matsaman
[21:53] <Billy9> I built a new ubuntu machine and I'm trying to ssh into it but the password doesn't work even though locally the password works
[21:54] <Billy9> (publickey, password) is what I get
[21:55] <matsaman> Billy9: as root?
[21:55] <Billy9> yes
[21:55] <matsaman> ssh as root is frequently disabled by default these days
[21:55] <matsaman> you'll likely have to alter your sshd config to allow it
[21:56] <matsaman> or you can ssh as non-root, then switch to root
[21:56] <Billy9> how do i ssh as non-root?
[21:56] <matsaman> ssh someParticularUserThatIsNotRoot@host
[21:56] <Billy9> ok i will try
[21:57] <Bashing-om> Billy9: See too: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-basics-of-ssh-usage/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 .
[21:59] <Billy9> YESSSSS SUCCESS
[21:59] <Billy9> thank you!!
[22:40] <Guest6563> Sera ho provato sulla chat italiana ma non risponde nessuno, volevo chiedere se qualcuno sa riguardo a nvidia e wayland
[22:40] <funhouse> so im trying to find a line by a column value in a csv, is it possible to get the line number with awk?
[22:41] <funhouse> `awk -F , '$1 == "00000058-0058-2DDF-CBCB-7715F04CBBDF" { print }' file.csv`
[22:41] <leftyfb> funhouse: you want #bash
[22:42] <funhouse> leftyfb thank you
[22:51] <jhutchins> !es
[22:52] <hellosmile6> What desktop environment does Ubuntu use?
[22:55] <genii> hellosmile6: GNOME Shell
[22:56] <hellosmile6> genii: That looks like CentOS.
[22:58] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: both centos and ubuntu have multiple options for desktop environments
[22:58] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: feel free to boot to a live usb and try it out
[22:59] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: I'd rather use Debian. Ubuntu isn't open-source.
[22:59] <leftyfb> false
[22:59] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: ubuntu is open source
[23:07] <Aarch64debian> is 22.04 released ?
[23:08] <Bashing-om> !isitout | Aarch64debian
[23:09] <Aarch64debian> why my lsb_release said i have the 22.04 lts
[23:11] <JoeBk> I don't see 22.04 on the website.  URL?
[23:11] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: What's the git clone URL?
[23:12] <Aarch64debian> what git, i have been running jammy dev for a while, not its lts
[23:13] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: launchpad.net. But you can download the source for any package from the Ubuntu repos with "apt source packagename", just like with debian
[23:15] <leftyfb> Aarch64debian: 22.04 is not released yet. Go to #ubuntu-release-party and wait for the announcement there some time tomorrow
[23:16] <Aarch64debian> yes, im running 22.04 LTS
[23:16] <leftyfb> you are running the beta. The final version is not yet released
[23:18] <JoeBk> leftyfb, it's already tomorrow in london.
[23:18] <rob0> but not in UTC :)
[23:18] <leftyfb> JoeBk: Ubuntu has never been released at exactly 00:00:01 in any timezone
[23:18] <leftyfb> JoeBk: feel free to discuss and wait in #ubuntu-release-party
[23:19] <basenjis> thanks for the link
[23:37] <Guest6> hello
[23:41] <sarnold> hi