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[03:34] <Guest5> Hello where is documentation on what to do at "Perform MOK Management" after install?
[03:34] <Guest5> Context: just installed Ubuntu into a multi-boot setup. Chose options like install third-party software. Set a Secure Boot password in the installer. On first boot after install (choosing "ubuntu") I am presented a screen "Perform MOK management: Continue boot | Enroll MOK | Enroll key from disk | Enroll hash from disk" (BTW this is Dell BIOS)
[04:34] <valorie> Guest5: I've never heard of it
[04:34] <valorie> sounds like a dell thing
[04:34] <valorie> I had some dell laptops and never got such a message though
[04:34] <valorie> !dell
[04:35] <valorie> !info MOK management
[04:35] <ubottu> 'management' is not a valid release
[04:35] <valorie> heh
[04:36] <valorie> stack exchange has this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/535434/what-exactly-is-mok-in-linux-for
[04:37] <RikMills> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[04:38] <valorie> I've not heard anyone who liked secure boot, or felt more secure with it
[04:40] <valorie> so I was wrong; nothing to do with Dell, and everything to do with secure boot
[04:48] <IrcsomeBot> <Олег> hi, when will there be a release of ubuntu 22.04?
[04:49] <valorie> soon!
[04:49] <valorie> !isitout
[04:49] <ubottu> Nooope! Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is not released yet, but you are welcome to anticipate it in #ubuntu-release-party
[04:52] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Probably afternoon or evening UK/EU time. Very much depends on when the release team are happy
[04:52] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> There is no 'set' time
[04:56] <Guest5> mentioned because I'm guessing that MOK management interface might have slightly different presentations in different BIOSes.
[04:56] <IrcsomeBot> <Олег> and the release will be today (April 21)? or was the date postponed?
[04:57] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Yes. Not seen any indication so far that a postponement is likely (re @Олег: and the release will be today (April 21)? or was the date postponed?)
[04:59] <IrcsomeBot> <Олег> thanks for the reply, looking forward to the release
[05:59] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> do { F5 kubuntu download page } while (22.04 is not listed)
[05:59] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> 😂
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[06:55] <Guest5> How does one install proprietary drivers in kubuntu with secure boot? Some documentation says to use ubuntu Software & Updates, but the Kubuntu version does not seem to have the options listed, "Software Updates" only has Manually vs Automatically  and Offline? options.
[06:55] <Guest5> I'm comfortable with command line options, especially if documentation exists
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[07:09] <alkisg> guiverc2: if you apt install dkms, it will show you a series of dialogs to setup a signing key
[07:09] <alkisg> Then you reboot and say "yes" to add that to MOK
[07:09] <alkisg> Then you should be able to compile and load any proprietary drivers you want
[07:10] <alkisg> E.g. nvidia and rtl8812au-dkms already have the scripts to help you with all these steps semi-automatically, which driver are you interested in?
[07:10] <alkisg> Guest5: ^ (sorry guiverc2 they weren't for you)
[07:13] <iomari891> greetings, what time gmt will 22.04 be released?
[07:14] <Guest5> alkisg, thank you for that.  I chose "install third party drivers" in the installation disk, and when the "MOK management" screen appeared at boot, it timed out several times while I was trying to find documentation, and then did not appear again.
[07:14] <alkisg> Guest5: sudo apt purge dkms => press ctrl+c => pastebin the output
[07:15] <alkisg> That way we'll know which packages are using dkms, to tell you to reconfigure them
[07:16] <Guest5> alkisg, (re: which driver are you interested in?) I do not know exactly, but certainly : wifi touchpad intel graphics and nvidia graphics at least, probably more
[07:16] <alkisg> Yeah run that ^, it'll tell us
[07:22] <Guest5> Thank you alkisg. if you can wait a few minutes, I'll try it.  I think you mean ctrl+c after the initial output but before the purge is run?
[07:23] <alkisg> Right, so that we see the list of packages without removing them
[07:23] <alkisg> (there's also a --dry-run option instead, but I don't have the time to check its exact syntax :D)
[07:35] <Guest5> alkisg: Package 'dkms' is not installed, so not removed.
[07:35] <Guest5> However, apt full-upgrade installed linux-modules-nvidia-510-5.15.0-25-generic and linux-modules-nvidia-510-generic and nvidia-kernel-common-510,  and this seems to have updated initramfs and GRUB.
[07:38] <Guest5> Five nvidia*.ko files were generated.
[07:39] <alkisg> Guest5: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[07:42] <GuestFive> alkisg:
[07:42] <GuestFive> # dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[07:42] <GuestFive> ii  libnvidia-compute-510:amd64                   510.60.02-0ubuntu1                          amd64        NVIDIA libcompute package
[07:42] <GuestFive> rc  linux-modules-nvidia-510-5.15.0-23-generic    5.15.0-23.23+1                              amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.15.0-23
[07:42] <GuestFive> ii  linux-modules-nvidia-510-5.15.0-25-generic    5.15.0-25.25                                amd64        Linux kernel nvidia modules for version 5.15.0-25
[07:42] <GuestFive> ii  linux-modules-nvidia-510-generic              5.15.0-25.25                                amd64        Extra drivers for nvidia-510 for the generic flavour
[07:44] <alkisg> GuestFive: ah they're doing weird stuff with nvidia now, maybe they compile and sign them in Canonical servers so that the users don't need to sign them themselves
[07:44] <alkisg> I haven't looked into that so I can't tell you (I don't have nvidia)
[07:44] <alkisg> Try this instead: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[07:45] <GuestFive> nvidia-driver-510, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-510-generic)
[07:45] <GuestFive> nvidia-driver-470, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic)
[07:45] <GuestFive> nvidia-driver-470-server, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-470-server-generic)
[07:45] <GuestFive> nvidia-driver-510-server, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-510-server-generic)
[07:57] <alkisg> OK,  it looks like you don't have any other proprietary drivers than nvidia, so maybe you don't even need driver signing and dkms; let's wait for someone that has nvidia to chime in
[07:58] <Guest5> Context: The Kubuntu installer option for third party firmware asked for a secure boot password, probably to add keys; MOK management timed out on me while trying to find documentation. How do I proceed to complete installation of third party firmware? (Or check that all needed was already signed by canonical, and everything is already optimal?)
[08:00] <Guest5> (Any reason not to reboot at this point? I'll just save the terminal output.)
[08:01] <sadiel> Hola a todos. Probando desde Cuba un Server IRC by default
[08:13] <Guest5> Touchpad in Kubuntu: Why is this option greyed out (unavailable) : two-finger = right-click or middle click
[08:14] <sadiel> Hola. Alguien habla español por ahi??? Estoy probando en Kubuntu 21.10 y necesito algunos tip.
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[09:33] <sadiel> Hola equipo de soporte. Alguien habla español por ahi???
[09:57] <sadiel> Hola a todos. Estoy utilizando una distribucion Kubuntu 21.10, y necesito alguna orientacion para configurar algunas herramientas de desarrollo, y demas elementos disponibles. Estoy accediendo a sus sistemas de soporte a traves de una conexion compartida de los datos moviles en una Zona WiFi portatil, a traves de las redes de ETECSA. Saludos. Buenos dias. Quedo a la espera. Mi ingles es pesimo jajaja
[10:08] <Guest46> at what time 22.04 lts will release?
[10:33] <IrcsomeBot> <nchamp> VO8F
[10:33] <IrcsomeBot> <nchamp> BCMA
[10:37] <sadiel> Hola equipo de soporte de Ubuntu, mi direccion de correo es sadiel.exposito@nauta.cu necesito consultar algunos temas que estoy compartiendo con algunos colegas en la isla sobre sistemas de soporte, problemas de diseño de sistemas de seguridad informatica como la ausencia de protocolos de diagnostico de la red por parte de ETECSA, etc. Agradeceria alguien se comunique por estas vias donde podemos saltar las limitantes del idioma. Saludos. Buenos dias
[10:37] <sadiel> desde Cuba. Sadiel
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[11:59] <jojje> Hello, will a Kubuntu release be available when ubuntu 22.04 releases today?
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:02] <jojje> Hello BluesKaj :)
[12:02] <BluesKaj> hi jojje
[12:11] <Guest5> If one installs the beta and then upgrades, does that generally result in the same system?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:14] <user|81> what should I install for a beginner : kde neon or kubuntu ?
[12:19] <iomari891> what time will 22.04 be online?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> kde-neon is more bleeding edge than kubuntu, but that's your choice ..neon might have some hardware driver issues, but personally i found kubuntu mores stable than neon
[12:19] <IrcsomeBot> <Олег> the site already has the inscription "kubuntu 22.04 lts" and in the downloads for some reason there is no when they will add?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> iomari891, who knows, it'll be anounced on the #ubuintu+1 chat afaik
[12:29] <iomari891> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:30] <BluesKaj> iomari891, err #ubuntu+1 chat
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ok they've changed it to #ubuntu-next
[12:33] <jojje> I was curious about the KDE neon and kubuntu thing. So what is the difference really? Neon uses the latest LTS so what would be the difference between that and the LTS release of kubuntu?
[12:34] <Guest5> Pardon if I've asked this already here, but has anyone set up hibernation with secure boot?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> afaik secure boot nad quick boot only work well on Windows
[12:45] <Guest5> I believe "quick boot" is a windows thing which does not actually trigger a hardware boot cycle.
[12:49] <Guest5> IIRC hibernation used to work with secure boot, until people pointed out the hibernation image could be tampered with. Then the rules required encrypted swap, which seems to require manual setup at this point, and the online docs are limited and not necessarily up-to-date.
[12:50] <Guest5> I guess I'll have to take a deep breath and do the linux bushwacking
[12:51] <Guest5> Oh I do appreciate Kubuntu, it generally works great.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> TBH Guest5, I have never bothered with hibernation so....
[14:07] <IrcsomeBot> <Oov> It's on auto log in (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> You should have an option in your DM (SDDM?) to pick a DE. There should be a drop-down where you can select Plasma.)
[14:14] <Guest5> It seems kubuntu's "software & update" tool is less featureful than the vanilla ubuntu software & update.  Is it possible to use that one or will it require installing all of GNOME?
[14:16] <Guest5> Alternatively is there a command line access to the hardware / firmware features of ubuntu software & update ?
[14:19] <feather> help
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[16:23] <Guest2> Anyone else having a weird issue with discover preferring repository deb over flatpak even if you set flatpak as the default source?
[16:46] <Guest2> Oh, and the topic needs to be updated because 22.04 is out now.
[16:48] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> I still don't see the option to download
[16:48] <Guest2> Website might not have been updated, but I found the mirrors have it available. Not listed as beta.
[16:49] <RikMills> Nothing is released yet
[16:49] <RikMills> Not until mirrors sync, and the Ubuntu release team decide to announce
[16:50] <Guest2> Upstream ubuntu is available here: https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/
[16:50] <RikMills> read what I just said
[16:52] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> Is there something similar for kubuntu?
[17:11] <IrcsomeBot> <Олег> why isn't kubuntu 22.04 available for download yet?
[17:22] <jojje> OK I managed to download the iso from the link https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04/release/kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:22] <IrcsomeBot> <Sergio> 4G09
[17:37] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> It's out
[17:54] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1517196788654120960
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[18:13] <Guest8864> hello?
[18:15] <mmikowski> hello?
[18:15] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> Hello
[18:16] <mmikowski> @Guest8864 Do you have a question?
[18:16] <Guest8864> No
[18:16] <Guest8864> For nostalgic im using Kubuntu 8.04
[18:17] <Guest8864> Im also have next versions:6.06,10.04,11.04,11.10,12.04,14.04
[18:19] <Guest8864> Who in server?
[18:20] <Guest8864> I see only 2 online
[18:20] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> I see 73 :)
[18:22] <Guest8864> YOu are bot?
[18:29] <Guest8864> SO goodbye
[18:33] <user|2> Hallo, I want to upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04, is the procedure the same as with ubuntu?
[18:54] <daemon-420> english is the language of lies... that is why it is the most commonly used - so powers that be can speak untruths...
[18:55] <daemon-420> I said 'I lost my drive & my memory is failing' at the doctors office you get a completely different response than if you said it at the computer store.
[19:14] <Loki29> Anything major going down with the new release?
[19:33] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> Updates from 21.10 will be delayed as usual?
[20:01] <IrcsomeBot> <Pixel> First LTS with usable Wayland, ever :) (re @IrcsomeBot: <Loki29> Anything major going down with the new release?)
[20:03]  * genii ponders if his x2x will still work
[21:34] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> JOHY
[21:35] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> HDQ0
[21:35] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> HDQO
[21:41] <valorie> I still want to test wayland
[21:41] <valorie> so much to do, so little time
[21:42] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> Hi folks.
[21:42] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> I just joined to see what people are saying about their upgrade experiences. I'm eager to upgrade from 20.04.4 but I don't want to run into those pesky early adopter issues. I hope you don't mind if a lurk for a while.
[21:43] <valorie> @WossMan I upgraded a few weeks back; no issues yet
[21:43] <Guest6990> Is there any difference between upgrading to 22.04 from 20.04 vs 21.10?
[21:43] <IrcsomeBot> <WossMan> That's promising news.
[21:49] <skoal> howdy team
[21:49] <skoal> just noticed you have extra character on your download page for sha256sum iso
[21:50] <skoal> kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso: 56ed1824de37c645f65a8c92545d45126a83cd93a79979b27cba553c849100d5a
[21:50] <skoal> that last 'a' is 1 too many for a sha256sum
[21:55] <user|95> hi. i think you have typo on sha256sum page for kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso. seems to be an extra 'a' character at end :)
[21:55] <loki68> hey need some advice... the wall paper on the new 22.04 LTS after I change it won't stay after a reboot
[21:58] <loki15> rebooted back
[22:01] <loki62> weird
[22:01] <loki62> I think I have my first bug
[22:02] <loki62> if you right click the home screen and configure desktop and wall paper and add image from a saved drive blah blah
[22:03] <loki62> it won't perma save the file... but if you safe the file under pictures/wallpaper right click it and use as wall paper then after reboot it sticks
[22:59] <Guest46> IS ubutnu 22.04 out ?!
[23:29] <gary> hello
[23:30] <gary> anyone upgrade today from 20.04 to 22.04
[23:31] <gary> my system is spitting this out when i try to upgrade
[23:31] <gary> sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop
[23:31] <gary> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[23:31] <gary> There is no development version of an LTS available.
[23:31] <gary> To upgrade to the latest non-LTS development release
[23:31] <gary> set Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.
[23:33] <gary> this chat thing sucks
[23:33] <Unit193> !ltsupgrade
[23:33] <ubottu> Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:35] <gary> thank you that worked