[00:17] <Urk> Is the Time Machine Backup program in the repository?
[00:19] <leftyfb> Urk: you mean netatalk?
[00:19] <Urk> leftyfb:  is that what you recommend for backups?  What tools does it use?  Does it use rsync?
[00:20] <leftyfb> Urk: maybe look at deja dup
[00:21] <leftyfb> https://ostechnix.com/how-to-backup-and-restore-files-using-deja-dup-in-linux/
[00:21] <Urk> I am looking for a backup program to backup my drive.  Prior to using this computer I mainly was on a Debian system, but now I am on an Ubuntu derivant.
[00:21] <leftyfb> Urk: which derivative?
[00:22] <hellosmile6> Urk: sudo dd if=/dev/sdb|bzip2 -9|sudo dd of=/root/sdb.bz2 (If you want a backup of your entire storage device)
[00:23] <leftyfb> that is a horrible solution
[00:24] <leftyfb> Urk: use deja dupe or write your own script with rsync
[00:25] <leftyfb> Urk: you can also type "backup" into the search in the software center
[00:25] <leftyfb> Urk: feel free to ask for additional software suggestions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:29] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: Why is it?
[00:32] <leftyfb> hellosmile6: it needs to be run while the machine isn't running or else you'll have data inconsistency or you could be writing to the same filestem which would just keep growing. The time it takes to backup and restore is hours at best. It doesn't help with restoring to new releases of ubuntu. It might not work to be restored on a new machine with different drivers. It might be too big to restore to a new hard drive down the road....
[00:35] <hellosmile6> leftyfb: I was assuming sdb was an external SDD.
[00:35] <Urk> leftyfb:  Ubuntu-Offtopic is a very lonely channel.  Someone needs to check the vital signs of Ops ;)
[00:36] <Urk> I have downloaded deja-dup-caja
[00:36] <leftyfb> Urk: uh
[00:36] <leftyfb> Urk: you mean you installed it using apt right?
[00:39] <Urk> Yes
[00:40] <Urk> Whats the best "free" place to store backups these days?
[00:40] <leftyfb> Urk: a hard drive you already have
[00:40] <Urk> What about online storage?
[00:40] <leftyfb> Urk: again, commercial/free 3rd party services are offtopic here.
[00:41] <Urk> leftyfb:  ok, just asking since I am an Ubuntu user.  I will ask in the off-topic channel, but its pretty dead over there, and no one is responding to anything.
[00:41] <leftyfb> Urk: it's almost 9pm EST on a Wednesday night
[00:41] <sarnold> you asked one question, and it's niche enough that no one there has an opinion. meh.
[00:41] <leftyfb> be patient
[00:42] <Urk> leftyfb:  Its just that I don't have that many days left on this planet, and concerned no one will respond while I am still alive.  I think I am going to put on my epitaph that my computer wouldn't work, and no one would help.
[00:43] <sarnold> ah then you won't need backups then :)
[00:43]  * sarnold whistles o/~ always look on the bright side of life o/~
[01:53] <SonhadorPR> Hello all!
[01:55] <SonhadorPR> I need to reset the admin password for www.ubuntu-PR.org Who can I contact at Canonical to reset the admin password?
[02:08] <SonhadorPR> Hello all!
[02:15] <Bashing-om> sonOfRa: Might consider to open a request tracker ticket: https://rt.ubuntu.com/ .
[02:35] <transhumanist> hi how do I start a snap from the terminal if I have mutiple instances of the snap  in different isolations?
[02:36] <leftyfb> transhumanist: try #snappy
[02:37] <transhumanist> thanks leftyfb
[02:46] <crack> hola
[03:09] <de-facto> !isitoutyet
[03:11] <Guest69> what's the different between upgrading now and upgrading in a few hours?
[03:12] <rob0> a few hours ;)
[03:12] <Guest69> It's effectively the exact same upgrade tho?
[03:13] <Guest69> (I guess your answer is yes)
[03:13] <rob0> idk, but I suppose it can be made to be
[03:13] <Guest69> ok thanks
[03:25] <Guest5> Hello where is documentation on what to do at "Perform MOK Management" after install?
[03:25] <Guest5> Context: just installed Ubuntu into a multi-boot setup. Chose options like install third-party software. Set a Secure Boot password in the installer. On first boot after install (choosing "ubuntu") I am presented a screen "Perform MOK management: Continue boot | Enroll MOK | Enroll key from disk | Enroll hash from disk" (BTW this is Dell BIOS)
[03:25] <Guest5> Where is documentation on what to do at "Perform MOK Management" after install?
[03:29] <MrConorAE> does anyone know what's happening with jammy's release?
[03:29] <MrConorAE> the schedule says it's today, april 21
[03:30] <MrConorAE> and i can't find anything anywhere (discourse, blog, etc.) about when it will be released
[03:30] <Bashing-om> !isitout | MrConorAE
[03:30] <Eickmeyer> MrConorAE: No specific time is ever given.
[03:30] <Eickmeyer> That's intentional.
[03:30] <MrConorAE> ah ok
[03:30] <MrConorAE> was kinda confused about htat
[03:30] <MrConorAE> *that
[03:31] <MrConorAE> out of interest, why is that?
[03:31] <Eickmeyer> There's a lot of last minute processes that can fluctuate in the amount of time they take, such as mirror prep, website prep, and quite a few other items.
[03:31] <sarnold> because the final-few-days tasks take an unknown amount of time
[03:32] <MrConorAE> ah fair enough
[03:32] <Eickmeyer> sarnold and I say the same things with varying levels of verbosity.
[03:32] <MrConorAE> sorry this is my first time running ubuntu when a release comes out
[03:32] <MrConorAE> thanks for the explanation :)
[03:33] <sarnold> I think most of the folks working on it are in a time zone where it's still wednesday the 20th :)
[03:33] <MrConorAE> true
[03:37] <sarnold> Guest5: hmm, I thought we had some nice docs on what mokmanager looked like.. but I can't find them now. :( this older post may give you some of the context you're hoping for https://askubuntu.com/a/1122704/33812
[03:47] <Guest5> sarnold, thank you, yes documentation is not easily found.
[03:49] <Guest5> sarnold, indeed that link does give the context, but it does not indicate what I should do in that context. It does have nice images of MOK management screens though.
[03:52] <Guest5> In someone's case they were to "copy the platform key from /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/MOK.der to a USB stick"; is that what I should do for a new install?
[03:53] <Guest5> If the MOK screen does not return (it autorestarted several times then went to GRUB, what do I do? Can I get things properly installed after the first boot somehow?
[03:54] <Guest5> Or can I get the MOK screen back somehow?
[05:00] <mkkjdv> !ubuntu
[05:00] <mkkjdv> !ubuntu-next
[05:00] <mkkjdv> !#ubuntu-next
[05:02] <Bashing-om> !next | mkkjdv
[05:07] <ksx4system> hi :) 22.04 stable images are not yet available (at least on some of my closest mirrors) and I have some time to spare to install right now
[05:07] <ksx4system> can I just use daily iso for amd64?
[05:08] <ksx4system> I doubt there are some serious differences between this and golden master
[05:15] <en11gma> is 22.04 out yet? its 12:15 here in central time usa
[05:15] <en11gma> 04-21-2022
[05:16] <ksx4system> en11gma, should be out today
[05:16] <en11gma> i know it will be out today. the question is when?
[05:16] <en11gma> ubuntu hasnt missed a final release date yet i dont think
[05:19] <ksx4system> en11gma, I guess within 6 hours but this will be after my unexpectedly spare time for today :(
[05:20] <Guest5> Desktop Operating Systems are becoming increasingly complex and baroque, it would not be surprising if they became more difficult to manage, particularly given the modern "move fast and break things" philosophy.
[05:20] <Neon> hi
[05:20] <mkkjdv> why ppl are so eager to upgrade/upate to 22.04 right away? what new featue you want so badly?
[05:20] <Neon> idk
[05:20] <Guest5> New Bugs!@
[05:20] <Neon> i like to have packages update daily with dev builds
[05:21] <enigma9o7[m]> its a bigger number mkkjdv
[05:21] <enigma9o7[m]> bigger is better
[05:21] <enigma9o7[m]> its more
[05:22] <Neon> i have two system updates that are stuck in a look of downloading, installing, rebooting, and showing as not installed
[05:22] <Neon> loop*
[05:23] <Neon> Guest5, yesss!! new bugs
[05:23] <Neon> always new advantures
[05:25] <en11gma> its not right away. ppl have waited 2 years
[05:25] <en11gma> every 2 years its a big deal.
[05:25] <Guest5> Old bugs bad. New bugs good.
[05:25] <en11gma> not at all
[05:26] <en11gma> there is always bug even with windows 10 and it was out for how long?
[05:26] <Guest5> ;)
[05:36] <ksx4system> mkkjdv: much appreciated aesthetic changes + probably better support for my straight up weird hardware ;)
[05:46] <mkkjdv> well, 20.04 kernel version is 5.13 if im not mistaken (if hwe is used). 22.04 kernel verson is 5.15, isnt it? So, not a really huge difference. And for the newer intel hw, 5.16 is needed anyway.
[05:46] <Guest5> Actually previous Ubuntu versions didn't work or had video artifacts on my hardware, so I need the newer drivers, after it's working I might not need newer drivers, only security patches ;)
[05:50] <Guest5> Speaking of which, in /etc/apt/sources.list, even if changing to mirrors for everything else, should one keep the security repo fixed to security.ubuntu.com ? I'm guessing its so you always get the current info not getting expired data from mirrors.
[05:51] <Guest5> (that repo URL is differently formed than the others)
[05:59] <bittin> morning and happy release day
[06:45] <wez> bittin: It's out now?
[06:46] <Guest3813> Alternatively, when is it out?
[06:46] <andypandy> !isitout
[07:02] <hams> guys, how do i search for files with >1kb in size?
[07:03] <bittin> wez: still 10 hours
[07:08] <g0uZ> are the latest patch (https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqq1qy04iqa.fsf@gitster.g/#t) to support wildcard for safe.directory included in the latest ubuntu git pkg (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git/1:2.25.1-1ubuntu3.3) for lts srv 20.04 ?
[07:16] <lisbeths`> is it released?
[07:16] <andypandy> !isitout
[07:16] <lisbeths`> noooooooooo
[07:17] <data68> hams $ find . -type f -size +1k |see: https://ostechnix.com/find-files-bigger-smaller-x-size-linux/
[07:23] <bittin> lisbeths`: still around 9,5 hours
[07:24] <noord> is there any alternative for postman that not uses electron
[07:45] <jojje> Hello! When does 22.04 release today?
[07:46] <zibolo> !isitout | jojje
[07:50] <radium> Hello
[08:30] <ice9> is the 22.04 released already?
[08:32] <Gekko18> hey, anyone know when the new LTS will be released? Is that today?
[10:25] <csm3105> Hi guys, when I'm trying to install libmariaclient-dev I have the following output: libmariadbclient-dev install error: Depends: libmariadb-dev (= 1:10.3.34-0ubuntu0.20.04.1)
[10:25] <csm3105> What do I need to install?
[10:26] <Acheron> libmariadb-dev
[10:26] <Acheron> install that first
[10:26] <Acheron> then libmariaclient-dev
[10:32] <csm3105> Acheron, the error it gives now is: unable to locate package libmariaclient-dev
[10:32] <Acheron> its not in the repository then
[10:32] <Acheron> what base are you on?
[10:33] <Jeremy31> libmariadbclient-dev
[10:34] <Acheron> https://pkgs.org/search/?q=libmariadbclient-dev
[10:34] <joo-_> got two fresh ubuntu 20 installs, the chrome app shortcuts, dont appear in window list and is not launchable either, this must be well known? because i experience it on two computers right next to each others, both freshly installed
[10:34] <Acheron> libmariadbclient-dev_10.3.22-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:34] <Acheron> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[10:34] <csm3105> I'm using ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
[10:35] <joo-_> im running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS \n \l
[10:35] <Acheron> csm3105, refresh you apt cache
[10:35] <Acheron> apt update
[10:35] <csm3105> So i need to do dpkg -i libmariadbclient-dev_10.3.34-0+deb10u1_amd64.deb ?
[10:35] <Acheron> then try again
[10:35] <Acheron> yeah
[10:36] <Acheron> you might have a broken dependency
[10:59] <data68> !isitout
[11:01] <mkkjdv> ah, there's a isitout factoid!
[11:01] <ogra> yeah
[11:01] <rovanion> I'm getting a cert error on https://dpaste.org/d2fKZ
[11:01] <rovanion> Sorry, https://www.releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/
[11:02] <ogra> rovanion, well, it is not released yet
[11:02] <GNUest> If I cut 22.04 64-bit in half, will that allow me to install 22.04 32-bit?
[11:03] <rovanion> ogra: I'm not sure that is relevant. It's the domain name and SSL cert combo that is the issue, not the path of the URL. Have a look at: https://www.releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[11:05] <Acheron> rovanion, those are beta versions
[11:05] <Acheron> just wait for the official page to be updated
[11:05] <bittin> still 6 hours until 22.04
[11:07] <rovanion> Still not sure that is relevant. The 20.04 page has the same issue.
[11:07] <rovanion> The cert is only valid for releases.ubuntu.com but is used on www.releases.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <mkkjdv> are free drinks served at #ubuntu-release-party ? )))
[11:08] <rovanion> Anyone know a name to ping about infra issues?
[11:09] <csm3105> thanks, now It's works!!
[11:20] <ogra> rovanion, the quesion is, why did you prepend www. to it ? it is certainly not linked s that from any official sites
[11:21] <ogra> rovanion, but to answer your question ... just scroll down on the page, there is a link to report issues with the page like on every ubuntu site
[11:23] <rovanion> ogra: I got there by ddg:ing ubuntu 22.04 release date. Obviously there is content on that web server meant to be read by users and linked from somewhere if it turns up in a search index. Man, what is up with the hostility?
[11:23] <rovanion> Found the link myself earlier and here we are: https://www.releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[11:24] <rovanion> Ugh: https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/11511
[11:26] <ogra> rovanion, 👍
[11:28] <Acheron> oops
[11:31] <rainsun> hi everyone..im trying to make a wifi adapter set to always on,wavemon says its POWER MGT:off ..but on powertop the device is GOOD (wake on lan stautus),ideal is BAD so its always on.. there seems to be a conflict on status.so which one is being followed? ubuntu 18.04 here
[11:40] <ice9> is this safe mothod and ppa to install pyton 3.7 on ubuntu 16.04? https://gist.github.com/simonw/7d391ec1fdddd730e0075d963da65f1f
[11:43] <rainsun> https://stackoverflow.com/a/57327557
[11:43] <rainsun> how can i check if autosuspend is enabled for a device,the link doesnt say so,any tips pls?
[11:47] <ogra> rainsun, iw dev wlan0 get power_save
[11:47] <ogra> (or however your wlan device is called)
[11:47] <rainsun> ogra, txn wil try that
[11:48] <rainsun> it says : Power save: off
[11:50] <rainsun> so its 2 vs 1.. wavemon & iw dev says : suspend is off.. but powertop is: on..
[11:51] <ogra> well, i'd trust iw ...
[11:51] <ogra> (if two out of three tools say something and the third says something else it is likely there is a bug in the third ...)
[11:52] <rainsun> ayt then  :)
[11:56] <rainsun> is the command #5 affects all devices connected to usb? or just a specific port? https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/disable-enable-usb-terminal/
[12:01] <ice9> is it safe to upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04 or better to wait for  22.04.1 ?
[12:01] <ogra> rainsun, it depends what you bind/unbind ...
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:02] <ogra> ice9, if you run an interim release anyway it is surely safe ... there might still be some rough edges and known bugs that will only be fixed by .1 though
[12:03] <ice9> ogra, then why it's not safe from LTS to LTS
[12:03] <ice9> 20.4 to 22.04
[12:03] <rainsun> ogra, coz the sample command is not specific to a device,i might loose all usb devices in the process
[12:06] <Acheron> its always best to do a fresh install moving from one LTS to another
[12:06] <ogra> rainsun, if you unbind X instead of X-Y the whole root will be gone ... if you unbind only X-Y you only unbind the device ... so it dependsa what you actually echo into sysfs
[12:07] <ogra> ice9, it is simply to raise the quality before upgrade and get more user feedback during the .04 to .04.1 period ... unlike the interim releases LTSes get regular bugfixes
[12:09] <rainsun> ogra, echo ‘2-1’ |sudo tee /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/unbind  '2-1' is the specific device right?
[12:11] <rainsun> i cant seem to find the connection or reference for the '2-1' on the ouput of sudo lsusb -t|less
[12:13] <ogra> rainsun, it translates to "port-bus" ...
[12:20] <rainsun> ogra,  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9zb9z6HKHb/
[12:24] <ogra> rainsun, 1-2 i'd say ... but if you mess up, you can always just reboot, this is nothing permanent
[12:26] <rainsun> will that translate to : echo ‘1-2’ |sudo tee /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/unbind  ?
[12:27] <ogra> yes
[12:28] <rainsun> tnx :)
[12:29] <rainsun> no luck,says: tee: /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/unbind: No such device
[12:30] <rob0> rainsun: btw your quote characters for the echo string are not ASCII.
[12:31] <rob0> perhaps the IRC client is making them "smart"
[12:32] <rainsun> hmm.let me just retype them instead of copy paste
[12:34] <rainsun> success. :)
[12:35] <ogra> awesome
[12:35] <rob0> ah, that was the problem?  Nice.
[12:37] <rainsun> ogra, rob0 proly :) tnx all , plus ogra's coding expertise helped :)
[12:37] <rob0> Sometimes it's a Good Thing to be running IRC in a terminal lacking UTF8 functionality. :)
[12:38] <rob0> (local terminal is Linux console, remote is screen)
[12:38] <rainsun> ok nx challeng,lol.. im trying to reinstall an app that doesnot want to launch,i forgot where it came from ,ie: zip,snap,repository,synaptic,deb..i might end up having 2 same app again.any tips pls?
[12:40] <ogra> what app
[12:41] <rainsun> telegram.i duno if it has to do w/ slow inet or its busted
[12:42] <DumbLDoor> Hi All! Can I upgrade to 22.04 / Jellyfish right now?
[12:43]  * ogra uses the telegram-desktop snap over here just fine
[12:43] <ogra> !isitout | DumbLDoor
[12:43] <DumbLDoor> ty @ ogra & ubottu
[12:44] <chilversc> for the HWE kernel versions, will the last point release always be available? For example 20.04 is currently at 5.13, if they ever moved to a newer version such as 5.16 would the last 5.13 still be available in the APT repository?
[12:44] <rainsun> Tg is not showing on system monitor processes after clicking,so i guess its not launching or loading
[12:45] <DumbLDoor> !isitout
[12:45] <McQuestionable> Good bo
[12:45] <McQuestionable> *bot
[12:46] <chilversc> I want to pin an image build script to a specific kernel version when installing the HWE kernel, as I'm using some features that are tied to the kernel version, so just running "apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-20.04" colud cause issues if the kernel upgrade to 5.16
[12:46] <data68> !letitout :-)
[12:47] <chilversc> simultaniously it seems I cannot pin to a specific version such as '5.13.0.39.44~20.04.24' because Ubuntu delete older versions from the APT repository when they release a newer version
[12:48] <chilversc> Is there an alternative way I can download a specific HWE kernel version for 20.04 other than having to use mainline?
[12:49] <ioria> well, 5.11 was the 21.04 kernel (and was hwe on focal), and it's still in the repos
[12:49] <ioria> !info linux-image-5.11.0-46-generic focal
[12:50] <chilversc> I'm using 20.04 LTS with the HWE kernel, my image build script has "apt-get -y install linux-generic-hwe-20.04=5.13.0.39.44~20.04.24", the goal was to produce a consistent image each time
[12:50] <ogra> chilversc, hwe versions are rolling ... whatever is in the latest ubuntu release will be backported to it ... so you cn not pin to a specific version
[12:50] <chilversc> yeah, I mostly need to ensure that I will always remain on the 5.13 kernel, as newer kernels break things at the moment
[12:50] <ogra> s/to it/to the LTS/
[12:51] <chilversc> but also older kernels break things
[12:51] <ogra> get the new kernls fixed ?
[12:51] <chilversc> working on that, but it will be 5.18 at a minimum, and probably 5.19 by now
[12:52] <chilversc> I was hoping the highest point release would still be retained so that I could install something like; 5.13.*
[12:52] <chilversc> without having the image build script randomly stop working in the future
[12:53] <ogra> well, the kernels are only supported for the lifetime of the release they come from
[12:53] <ogra> and since HWE usually comes from interim releases ...
[12:54] <chilversc> yeah, I didn't want to go back to using mainline though, since that won't include any of the 20.04 specific patches, so was hoping there was somewhere else I could download the 5.13 debs from instead of using APT if APT doesn't retain the packages?
[12:59] <ogra> yeah, mainline is not relly an option for production systems ...
[13:01] <Guest8376> why /lib/modules/5.13.0-39-generic/build/include/linux/modversions.h isnt found?
[13:02] <Guest8376> how can i fix that?
[13:02] <chilversc> ogra: hence my issue, this script really needs to be reliable so that it produces the same image each time, but I cannot have the script randomly upgrading the kernel version because this system is very sensitive to kernel versions and running untested/mixed kernel versions would be an issue
[13:04] <Guest8376> its for compile for ftdi_sio, the adapter doesn´ t work
[13:05] <ioria> chilversc, you know that  when a kernel is upgraded, it's because of some vulnerabilities, right ?
[13:05] <Acheron> chilversc, you can always save those kernel packages and then pin apt not to update
[13:07] <Acheron> ioria, that would be great if Ubuntu did not introduce so many regressions in kernel updates!
[13:07] <ioria> Acheron, i don't think it' s  on purpose
[13:08] <Acheron> usually if there is a severe vulnerability it will be announced and then you can decide if its worth the risk
[13:09] <Acheron> just speaking for myself, i do not update the kernel every time there is an update
[13:09] <Acheron> especially if there is no change log present
[13:09] <Acheron> i just skip it
[13:10] <Acheron> YMMV
[13:12] <ogra> Acheron, what do you mean by "there is no changelog present" ?
[13:14] <Acheron> that is pretty self explanatory
[13:14] <Acheron> i'll hush up now
[13:14] <chilversc> Acheron: I can't though since all I'm doing is producing scripts that other people then run in their own environments
[13:16] <chilversc> ioria: sure, so I'm happy to take the latest 5.13 kernel, but I specifically need that version until the issues in the newer versions have been resolved
[13:16] <ogra> Acheron, you men having all the commits in git is not enough ? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu-stable/ubuntu-stable-jammy.git/log/
[13:17] <chilversc> ioria: I need some reliable source for the latest 5.13 packages, and it appears I cannot rely on APT for that
[13:18] <chilversc> otherwise I'll have no choice but to going back to using mainline in the script, which is what I had to do before 5.13 was available under HWE
[13:18] <Guest5> Is cryptsetup the current way to set up encrypted swap?
[13:18] <leftyfb> chilversc: why can't you rely on the kernel packages available in ubuntu?
[13:18] <leftyfb> Guest5: it is a valid way to encrypt swap
[13:19] <chilversc> leftyfb: I specifically require 5.13, and it seems if I have something like "apt-get install -y 'linux-generic-hwe-20.04=5.13.*'" that could stop working in the future if 20.04 were to move to a newer kernel such as 5.16
[13:20] <ogra> chilversc, you could run your own archive and keep the desired version in it
[13:20] <leftyfb> chilversc: what's wrong with upgrading from 1 LTS kernel to another?
[13:20] <Guest5> leftyfb, thanks!
[13:20] <chilversc> leftyfb: 5.16 I ran into some issues with kernel threads freezing, 5.17 has a new FS-Cache implementation that is currently too slow
[13:20] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[13:20] <ogra> leftyfb, they said above it breaks things ... and the upstream kernel fix will only be in 5.18 onwards
[13:21] <chilversc> leftyfb: though I havn't explicitly tested 5.14 or 5.15
[13:21] <leftyfb> ogra: and we don't think these kernel regressions will be fixed?
[13:21] <chilversc> and 5.11 has an mdraid bug that causes kernel panics
[13:21] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: please stop with that. This isn't the place
[13:21] <Guest8376> where is <asm/linkage.h> located?
[13:22] <ogra> leftyfb, they will ... but perhaps not in 5.16
[13:22] <ogra> Guest8376, sudo apt install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; apt-file search asm/linkage.h
[13:22] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: calm yourself. I done it *once*...
[13:22] <leftyfb> ogra: so Canonical will release an HWE kernel with a known regression with no plans to fix it? That doesn't sound right
[13:23] <chilversc> ogra: I don't really have a way to maintain a repository, this script isn't actually for my use, its just published to a github repository so that other people can build this image themselves, so that would require other people to maintain their own repository
[13:23] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: twice
[13:23] <ogra> leftyfb, not if the kernel team doesnt know 😉
[13:23] <leftyfb> chilversc: did you file a bug?
[13:24] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: again, calm yourself. :-)
[13:24] <chilversc> leftyfb: yeah, not sure exactly what happened maybe its also an issue in 5.13 and 5.16 got better at detecting it, but in 5.16 when cachefilesd was running into an issue all my nfsd threads would get locked up
[13:24] <chilversc> leftyfb: not much point, fs-cache was completley re-wrote in 5.17 and seems to have fixed the issue, its just 5.17 is limited to 30~40 MB/s when reading through fs-cache at the moment, patches are being worked on to fix it, but it makes 5.16 & 5.17 unusable
[13:25] <Acheron> you can always save the .deb packages from a given kernel and install them and then pin APT from any further kernel updates
[13:25] <leftyfb> chilversc: file a bug against 5.16 in ubuntu.
[13:26] <Acheron> you mean bug reports that tend to get ignored?
[13:26] <Acheron> Ubuntu needs a better bug reporting system
[13:27] <chilversc> Acheron: the issue is this isn't an environment I control, its just a bash script I'm publishing in github, so I need some reliable source to download the package from as part of the script
[13:28] <Acheron> poor QC is why i don't update the kernel on every update
[13:28] <leftyfb> Acheron: take your ubuntu rants to #ubuntu-offtopic or file bugs
[13:28] <Acheron> i'm stating a f-a-c-t
[13:28] <Acheron> not a rant
[13:28] <leftyfb> ArchDave: this is a support channel. Please stay on topic
[13:29] <chilversc> leftyfb: I could do, but that still doesn't help my script issue, as I'd still be in trouble if the HWE kernel was updated to 5.17, though that's probaly unlikely for 20.04
[13:30] <leftyfb> chilversc: the goal would be to get the fix released before August. That's very possible but not if you don't file the bug
[13:30] <chilversc> oh, is 22.04 going to use 5.17 now?
[13:30] <leftyfb> no
[13:30] <leftyfb> oh, 22.04, I don't know
[13:30] <leftyfb> 20.04 will be getting and stopping at 5.16
[13:31] <Acheron> Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop uses Linux Kernel 5.17
[13:31] <Battaglin> release day today right ?
[13:31] <Acheron> oops
[13:31] <leftyfb> Battaglin: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:32] <bittin> Battaglin: later
[13:32] <Acheron> oops
[13:32] <Acheron> that changed
[13:32] <chilversc> leftyfb: could do, though it's a bug within a bug, as I have to hammer an NFS re-export server with 50 clients for a few hours, then when cachefilesd stops culling drop the slab cache a few times, at which point cachefilesd and nfs completly fall over
[13:32] <bittin> nope its just later today
[13:32] <leftyfb> chilversc: feel free to put all of this information in your bug report
[13:33] <Acheron> Ubuntu 22.04 features Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS
[13:33] <Acheron> my mistake earlier
[13:39] <Battaglin> leftyfb: thnx
[13:50] <wxh> I see 2 bugs reported regarding JJ, and one of them is critical. Does it block the relase of JJ today?
[13:50] <ogra> unlikely ...
[13:51] <ogra> the release is only blocked if there are issues withpackages that are on the images, with installer bits or system defaults ... everyting else can just go into the archive and will land in your install with the first upgrade
[13:52] <ogra> (or with the upgrade that runs in background during install even)
[13:52] <jongsta> what's a cleaner way to list kernels i have installed other than apt list --installed | grep linux-image ?
[13:53] <jongsta> i'm trying to capture a certain kernel version but i want to store it in a variable
[13:54] <jongsta> i want grab everything from 5.4 to aws and store in a variable
[13:55] <jongsta> the line i'm interested in looks like linux-image-5.4.0-1072-aws/focal-updates,focal security,now 5.4.0-1072.77 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[13:55] <leftyfb> jongsta: apt list --installed 2>/dev/null|awk -F/ '/linux-image/ {print $1}'
[13:59] <jongsta> thanks leftyfb. any suggestions for capturing just the 5.4 through aws portion?
[14:00] <jongsta> i guess i could just do a | grep 5.4
[14:04] <leftyfb> jongsta: apt list --installed 2>/dev/null|awk -F/ '/linux-image-5.4.*generic/ {print $1}'
[14:05] <jongsta> we're using the linux-aws-lts-20.04 package to install the kernel so it's not generic
[14:06] <leftyfb> ok, ajust accordingly
[14:06] <leftyfb> adjust*
[14:06] <jongsta> as long as there's no possibility that there's a - after 5.4 instead of a . (period)
[14:06] <jongsta> linux-image-5.4*
[14:06] <leftyfb> linux-image-5.4.*
[14:07] <jongsta> i'm not completely familiar with how versioning works
[14:07] <leftyfb> .* is part of regex, not the version
[14:07] <jongsta> right, but if for example there was a kernel version that could be like linux-image-5.4-something
[14:07] <jongsta> i don't think that is the case
[14:08] <jongsta> but would ruin that query
[14:08] <leftyfb> linux-image-5.4.* will catch "linux-image-5.4-something"
[14:08] <leftyfb> linux-image-5.4.* means anything that starts with linux-image-5.4
[14:08] <jongsta> ah ok. i thought it would require the .
[14:08] <jongsta> got it
[14:10] <jongsta> really what i want is to just print from 5.4 to aws though
[14:11] <jongsta> so it would read "5.4.0-1072-aws"
[14:14] <ivoks> ~
[14:19] <grigorii> привет
[14:21] <mybalzitch> I have a 21.10 install, I changed /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to say prompt=lts, run do-release-upgrade, and it says "no dev version available" when I do-release-upgrade, but if I run do-release-upgrade -d, it says there's a release available, lol
[14:21] <ravage> 21.10 is the latest release
[14:26] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: Ubuntu 22.04 is not yet released and is still considered development. As far as do-release-upgrade is concerned, that will still be the case until sometime in August when 22.04.1 is released
[14:28] <WereCatf> Has beignet-opencl-icd been renamed to something else in Jammy, or has it just been removed entirely?
[14:35] <leftyfb> !next | WereCatf
[14:38] <WereCatf> A question about a package doesn't seem to me like it belongs in either technical support or QA feedback and help
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> that also fits under jammy support WereCatf
[14:39] <WereCatf> Well, ok
[14:45] <j2bv16> Join party channel?
[14:45] <j2bv16> Launch*
[14:46] <leftyfb> j2bv16: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[15:06] <chilversc> where do the patches, build scripts, etc live for the various kernel packages? I was looking at https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-image-5.4.0-1072-gcp and I cannot figure out where the actual kernel comes from for that package.
[15:15] <transhumanist> where is python-clips in focal ? the package is broken in pip3
[15:17] <oliverb> Hello, Any links/help/hints to successful Ubuntu Desktop LTS autoinstall, either via pxe (maas) or via just plugging and booting of usb stick which will finish autoinstall?
[15:21] <ogra> oliverb, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-installs/16612
[15:41] <McQuestionable_> Hiya, for a fresh install of ubuntu when an old install already exists in a dual boot w/ windows, would it be advisable to delete the old ubuntu + grub partitions then install again
[15:41] <McQuestionable_> or just run the live usb and install on top of the old install without messing with the partitions
[15:43] <oliverb> ogra: Thank you, looking for info on Desktop, not server. Thanks anyways.
[15:43] <shibboleth> install rootpart to a sep subvol or partition, rename /boot/grub to /boot/grub.bak?
[15:43] <shibboleth> that is, you don't *have to* rename old grub
[15:44] <shibboleth> but eh, once you boot back into the old system you may wanna remove the grub-package (but leave -bin)
[15:45] <McQuestionable_> hmmm, i might just nuke grub + ubuntu. I don't know if I trust myself not to break something :D
[15:47] <McQuestionable_> thanks
[15:50] <transhumanist> how do I run wayland? It does not appear as an option in the gdm login scree?
[15:50] <transhumanist> screen?
[15:50] <transhumanist> I have enabled wayland in that config file
[15:52] <oliverb> Will autoinstall work on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Desktop?
[15:54] <McQuestionable_> transhumanist, do you have an nvidia GPU?
[15:56] <ogra> transhumanist, if this is 22.04, there is a bug that is being fixed with the first update
[15:59] <DNS-over-HTTPS> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is the best
[15:59] <transhumanist> ok thenk I will wait for the next version then ogra thanks
[16:00] <transhumanist> yes I have an older nvidia video card that has like 50 cuda cores
[16:01] <transhumanist> I really need like 20k worth of computer equipment but have a computer worth $25 bucks...lol
[16:05] <McQuestionable_> I believe this is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1968929
[16:06] <transhumanist> so canonical is releasing 22.04 when? google says its to be released today?
[16:06] <McQuestionable_> If I understand correctly, you should be unaffected if you've got a system with *hybrid* nvidia graphics (e.g intel + nvidia)
[16:06] <BlackMage> how can i fix that? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cfP8Z4PKKH/
[16:06] <McQuestionable_> transhumanist, yep, we're probably waiting for the mirrors to propagate. Wait until the 'it's released' word is given, before downloading :v)
[16:06] <BlackMage> i need the modversions.h
[16:07] <transhumanist> well shout out to me as soon as you hear the word! lol
[16:07] <McQuestionable_> !ititout
[16:07] <McQuestionable_> !isitoutyet
[16:08] <transhumanist> any known real bad bug issues with it that I should know about that are not resolved?
[16:13] <ogra> transhumanist, bad bugs? i heard there is no wayland option on the login screen 🙂
[16:13] <ChrisWarrick> that sounds like a feature to me
[16:14] <en11gma> when does 22.04 go live for final release? i know its 04-21-2022 but at what time? does anyone know where official time is posted?
[16:15] <ogra> !isitout
[16:15] <en11gma> ahhh nice
[16:15] <ogra> en11gma, and time -> before midnight on baker island ...
[16:25] <progamerrovel> Hello
[16:25] <progamerrovel> When will ubuntu 22.04 come out?
[16:25] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet | progamerrovel
[16:28] <scanno> You can already download it
[16:28] <Guest80> How??
[16:28] <Maik> scanno: no
[16:28] <Guest80> It is not showing on the official website, yet
[16:28] <Guest80> Any help?
[16:28] <scanno> Playing with url parameters
[16:29] <Juan> please wait until it's announced
[16:29] <Maik> wait until the official release announcement is out and the download site is updated
[16:29] <Maik> Guest80: ^
[16:29] <Guest80> Yeah, btw at what time it will be released
[16:29] <Guest80> any hint?
[16:29] <Maik> there's no time set
[16:30] <progamerrovel> Oh
[16:30] <Maik> the mirrors still need to be synced
[16:30] <progamerrovel> Yea, lot of work
[16:30] <Chunkyz> last time it was like 10pm BST
[16:30] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yw8Vnm9DK6/   there's your hint. That is every time every ubuntu release was announced as being released
[16:30] <Maik> so the more people jump on the iso's the slower the mirrors are being synced
[16:30] <Guest80> yeah Maik
[16:31] <leftyfb> progamerrovel: Guest80: please /join #ubuntu-release-party
[16:31] <Guest80> done
[16:31] <progamerrovel> Done already lol
[16:31] <leftyfb> enjoy
[16:43] <Netcode> Hi
[16:52] <WeeBey> Hello frens! Studying for something here.. Quick question, when using E2E encryption, is the packet totally encrypted or the payload only?  I think payload only.
[16:53] <leftyfb> WeeBey: maybe provide some context to what you're referring to exactly
[17:06] <WeeBey> leftyfb, Ah. Thanks for the response. We were speaking about link vs E2E encryption. And I was saying that in a packet from an e2e app, the packet will have headers available as normal, but it's payload is encrypted until the "end."
[17:06] <leftyfb> WeeBey: you are talking very broad, non-ubuntu-specific terms
[17:07] <yorwos> do we have any news on 22.04 ?
[17:07] <leftyfb> yorwos: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[17:07] <yorwos> ty
[17:13] <WeeBey> leftyfb, fair. Thanks. :-)
[17:17] <pizza> :o
[17:19] <leftyfb> hm, no announcement on the lists yet
[17:25] <jhutchins> Y'all been through a release before, right?
[17:26] <leftyfb> interesting. Looks like the list did go out but didn't seem to update for me
[17:27] <ogra> i dont have it either yet
[17:27] <uifkrs> they say - 'Connectivity is expanded with RDP support out of the box' What does this mean? What is installed for RDP?
[17:27] <ogra> (in my inbox)
[17:27] <ogra> uifkrs, the gnome remote sharing thing ... not sure what it uses in the backend though
[17:29] <ogra> yay, i got the mail
[17:31] <domino14>  so uh
[17:31] <domino14> this thing is out right? i am on the beta
[17:31] <domino14> how do i de-beta it
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[17:32] <domino14> nothing to update/upgrade
[17:32] <domino14> for the last few days
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> domino14: lsb_release -a ?
[17:33] <domino14> it's jammy, but i downloaded it like 2 weeks ago
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> domino14: does it say development or not?
[17:33] <leftyfb> domino14: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:34] <domino14> it does not say dewvelopment
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> so you're fine domino14
[17:34] <domino14> hm, so there were no changes to the beta? i haven't updated my packages since then ..
[17:35] <ogra> domino14, there were definitely some packages updated ...
[17:36] <domino14> when did the last set of packages come out? is there a simple way to check for like one of them - to see if it matches the version
[17:37] <leftyfb> domino14: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:37] <domino14> i did that
[17:37] <leftyfb> then you are good
[17:37] <ogra> yeah
[17:39] <uifkrs> does ubottu know that its released? )))
[17:40] <uifkrs> !isitout
[17:40] <leftyfb> uifkrs: yes, though that doesn't affect us providing support here
[17:42] <domino14> looking at my dpkg logs it seems like it just magically updated itself at 7 in the morning a couple days ago
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> domino14: last on my dpkg logs; 2022-04-21 03:46:54 status installed mailcap:all 3.70+nmu1ubuntu1
[17:47] <domino14> yeah same here
[17:47] <domino14> at 09:17:00
[17:47] <domino14> thanks
[17:52] <amahnui> Hello everyone
[17:53] <amahnui> I have this issue where chrome is not launching on my Ubuntu 20.04 ever since I installed ubuntu-desktop
[17:54] <amahnui> I reinstalled it and nothing changed
[17:55] <transhumanist> why does it say jarmy  when I do the do-release-upgrade -d is that correct?
[17:55] <JoeBk> amahnui, you should not have chrome on your system.  use chromium instead.
[17:56] <JoeBk> google chrome is a big security hole.
[17:57] <amahnui> How will I transfer my passwords from Chrome to chromium
[17:57] <amahnui> Because I tried and it did not work
[17:57] <leftyfb> JoeBk: just as much as any other cloud-connected application running on a computer. Please don't make those accusations here
[17:57] <JoeBk> ok
[17:57] <xmetal> hmm,i hate to be one of those people but is the upgrade path suppose to be up now? (i have an ISO with a 22.04 release and probably will clean install but i want ot test the in place upgrade when it's out)
[17:57] <ubergeek> JoeBk: Browser are a security hole, that allows remote code to be executed on your machine.  However, we have to use them.
[17:58] <leftyfb> amahnui: mv ~/.config/google-chrome ~/Desktop && sudo apt remove --purge google-chrome-stable   # then reinstall chrome
[17:58] <leftyfb> xmetal: the official upgrade path will not be available till August
[17:58] <xmetal> ah ok ... thanks for the info
[17:59] <amahnui> leftyfb: I tried this already and it did not work
[17:59] <amahnui> Some other applications are not working too
[18:00] <leftyfb> amahnui: ok, so not specific to chrome. Might be time for a re-install if you don't have any idea what caused these issues and can't give us more information other than "not working"
[18:02] <yuzi> anyone tried jammy fish?
[18:02] <leftyfb> yuzi: feel free to chat in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:02] <amahnui> leftyfb: okay I changed the permissions to 777 using chmod and chown too.
[18:02] <yuzi> jelly fish
[18:03] <yuzi>  leftyfb , sperate channel?
[18:03] <Guest3845> xmetal Well, you may use `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` to upgrade right now (before the first point release in August)
[18:03] <Guest3845> xmetal Well, you may use sudo do-release-upgrade -d to upgrade right now (before the first point release in August)
[18:03] <leftyfb> yuzi: please type:   /join #ubuntu-release-party
[18:04] <yuzi> leftyfb, done
[18:04] <leftyfb> yuzi: ok, please chat in there
[18:04] <amahnui> Leftfb When I rebooted, I got caught in that  boot loop which I succeeded in fixing by changing the permissions to .local and it worked.
[18:05] <amahnui> leftyfb Now it some applications are not launching again and I don't know if it is permissions issue or what.
[18:06] <transhumanist>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[18:06] <transhumanist> oops sorry
[18:06] <amahnui> this is what i get when I try to launch Firefox  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sq43E4jh/irccloudcapture7408439028369870766.jpg
[18:07] <amahnui> Leftyfb: I hope I was elaborate enough
[18:13] <amahnui> Hello 👋
[18:16] <transhumanist> when are they going to fix GTK You can't paste file paths into File->Open dialog. causes an error ? someone was asking ? Anyone know?
[18:19] <leftyfb> transhumanist: yes you can
[18:20] <leftyfb> transhumanist: open the "open dialog" and hit CTRL+L then paste
[18:22] <ravage> transhumanist, if you want that as default: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.preferences always-use-location-entry true
[18:23] <amahnui> Hi leftyfb: please I really need help on this 🙏
[18:25] <EriC^> amahnui: type 'sudo find ~ ! -user $USER'
[18:30] <amahnui> EriC^:  i got the error `bash: !-user: event not found`
[18:30] <EriC^> amahnui: did you put a space between ! and -user?
[18:32] <ubuntu34897834> I am on 22.04, and none of my snap bash autocompletes work, even after linking them to /etc/bash_completion.d/. is there a workaround?
[18:32] <amahnui> EriC^: yes I did put it
[18:33] <EriC^> amahnui: :D i was being rhetorical really
[18:37] <amahnui> EriC^:  I just noticed I wrote it wrongly
[18:37] <EriC^> no worries, any files popped up relating to firefox?
[18:38] <amahnui> I now got the error `find: '~!': No such file or directory`
[18:38] <amahnui> EriC^: no I did not get a file relating to Firefox
[18:38] <EriC^> amahnui: there's also a space between ~ and !
[18:39] <scanno> Anyone knows a way to get  Bluetooth aptX working in 22.04?
[18:39] <EriC^> amahnui: if you want, copy and paste the following command, it might solve the problem "sudo chown -R $USER: ~"
[18:40] <DocMors> if the developers are here, thanks for 22.04. It updated just fine and what I've seen so far the interface is much cleaner. Well done!
[18:42] <amahnui> EriC^: I saw Firefox related files
[18:44] <amahnui> And the recent command you sent gave me this error `chown: missing operand after 'abongwa:~`
[18:44] <ravage> you are missing another space
[18:45] <amahnui> It worked 🙏🙏🙏thanks alot
[18:46] <ogra> yay
[18:46] <EriC^> amahnui: great, no problem
[18:47] <amahnui> EriC^: ravage leftyfb you all really helped me out. My life literally depended on this working 🙏🙏
[18:55] <ice9> why 22.04 is considered development release still?
[18:56] <ravage> it is not
[18:59] <cdriscoll> for authoring an automated installer for 22.04 desktop - am i still able to use a preseed-style configuration, or is it pretty much cloud-init only now?  was hoping to mostly re-use my 20.04 config :(
[19:01] <genii> ice9: If you want to upgrade to it from 20.04 LTS the "-d" switch in do-release-upgrade does stand for "development", otherwise from 21.10 this is not required. LTS to LTS normally is not enabled until after the newest LTS reaches it's first point release, but adding the "-d" will force an overiide of this
[19:02] <ice9> genii, i'm on 21.10 and not specifying "-d" doesn't show up the new release
[19:02] <Chunkyz> any reason why lubuntu, xubuntu etc ain't got 22.04 yet?
[19:03] <ravage> because their release team did not release it yet i guess?
[19:04] <ice9> ravage, it's avilable to download from ubuntu.com
[19:04] <ravage> i doubt that
[19:05] <Maik> ice9: the upgrade path will take a few days before it's opened
[19:05] <ravage> and my reply was to Chunkyz
[19:07] <ChrisWarrick> Chunkyz: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/22.04/release/
[19:15] <genii> ice9: If you issued an apt full-upgrade first ( or the equivalent)  it should not require the -d, if it still does then likely the change has not been propogated yet to the file /etc/update-manager/meta-release  or to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release yet
[19:16] <genii> Hm, looks like the second case
[19:20] <dauggy> Hi Guys! Is it worth to `dist-upgrade` from 20.04 to 22.04 on a laptop already? Or is it better to wait until potential bugs are discovered and fixed? In general how much different is the new version, I'm pretty happy with the current setup and aslo keep the kernel updated to the newest version on my own
[19:22] <Acheron> dauggy, if you are happy where you are, what's the hurry?
[19:22] <sarnold> dauggy: (a) use do-release-upgrade instead :) (b) depends what you'd rather do, if you want to be part of finding and reporting issues, it might be fun to upgrade now. if you just want your computer to work and can't stand bugs, bug reports, etc, wait until the .1 release. If you're somewhere in the middle, maybe wait a week or two
[19:23] <let-chaos[m]> Hi guys, question, is apt supposed to work on jelly?
[19:23] <dauggy> thanks sarnold!
[19:23] <ChrisWarrick> let-chaos[m]: uh, yes?
[19:23] <let-chaos[m]> I'm unable to use apt, the only package manager working is snap
[19:23] <ChrisWarrick> let-chaos[m]: how are you unable to?
[19:23] <Acheron> dauggy, i say wait just a bit because Ubuntu does releases on a calendar basis, not when its 100%
[19:24] <let-chaos[m]> there are no repos, it says, for instance, that node v12 is the lastest version
[19:25] <let-chaos[m]> run an apt update
[19:25] <let-chaos[m]> it says my system is up to date
[19:26] <ChrisWarrick> how did you upgrade?
[19:26] <ChrisWarrick> (to jammy)
[19:28] <let-chaos[m]> i was using the dev distro
[19:28] <dauggy> good point Acheron
[19:28] <let-chaos[m]> to be honest I don't remember the command I used to switch
[19:29] <let-chaos[m]> ok, i'll wait. no rush
[19:30] <let-chaos[m]> actually I'll do a reboot since the system has like a week up
[19:56] <ice99> I got hypred graphics, after upgrade to 22.04, it's using x11 and nvidia driver however the glx renderer is intel "OpenGL vendor string: Intel"
[19:56] <ice99> not nvidia
[20:13] <ice99> also why there is no wayland session"
[20:16] <ogra> ice99, thats a gdm bug, will be fixed in the next update of the package ...
[20:17] <sarnold> ice99: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1968929
[20:20] <ogra> also https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[20:20] <ogra> has the list of known issues
[20:28] <Guest94> hi
[20:28] <Guest94> Im trying to install wifi driver for my laptop
[20:28] <Guest94> In software center, my wifi chip is identified, but when I select to use the DKMS driver option, I cant click "apply changes" as the button is grayed out
[20:29] <Guest94> 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[20:30] <beerboba> sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms
[20:31] <Guest94> its installing
[20:31] <Guest94> =)
[20:31] <Guest94> Im using a super cheap laptop
[20:31] <Guest94> Newest Ubuntu version is RAD
[20:32] <Guest94> oh mang
[20:32] <Guest94> Its stalling on install
[20:32] <Guest94> possibly stuck
[20:33] <beerboba> let it build it
[20:33] <sarnold> dkms packages can take an eternity to build
[20:33] <Guest94> time to RESTART THE MAINFRAME
[20:33] <Guest94> thank you
[20:40] <Guest811> Hi, Im at the Library and Im trying to bypass the Firewall to download TOR and VPN, any ideas?
[20:41] <sarnold> you could use apt-offline on another machine elsewhere to download the packages and dependencies that are needed, and move them around with a usb stick
[20:42] <sarnold> you could use apt-offline on another machine elsewhere to download the packages and dependencies that are needed, and move them around with a usb stick
[20:43] <Guest81> Hi, Im at the Library and Im trying to bypass the Firewall to download TOR and VPN, any ideas?
[20:44] <leftyfb> Guest81: <sarnold> you could use apt-offline on another machine elsewhere to download the packages and dependencies that are needed, and move them around with a usb stick
[20:44] <leftyfb> Guest81: other than that, we aren't in the business of working around firewalls
[20:46] <pavlos> fresh ubuntu 22.04 firefox will not start, syslog tells me about some variable
[20:46] <Guest8134> Im using 22.04 firefox atm
[20:46] <Guest8134> On Ubuntu-MATE variant
[20:46] <leftyfb> pavlos: the default installed firefox?
[20:47] <pavlos> yes
[20:47] <pavlos> I'll try to get the syslog part ... hold on
[20:47] <Guest8134> update
[20:48] <leftyfb> Guest8134: it's a snap. It's auto-updated
[20:48] <Guest8134> nice
[21:01] <DocMors> where do I post issues I have found in 22.04?
[21:01] <server> hello
[21:02] <leftyfb> !bug | DocMors
[21:03] <pavlos> I got disconnected but I'm back.
[21:04] <DocMors> leftyfb, thanks
[21:31] <moha> installing https://js.wiki, it propose this command for updating the system before starting installation: `sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt -qqy -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confdef' -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confold' dist-upgrade`
[21:32] <moha> I've never seen those options, do you know any reference for them?
[21:32] <moha> they are not discussed in the `man apt`!
[21:32] <sarnold> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive asks debconf to ask no questions
[21:32] <sarnold> Dpkg::Options::='--force-confdef' -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confold' asks dpkg to install configuration files again, if they were removed by hand before the packages were uninstalled
[21:33] <moha> Aha, thanks; Is't -y the same as DEBIAN_FRONTEND?
[21:34] <moha> what about those double `q`? -qqy
[21:35] <sarnold> the -y tells apt to answer everything yes, but the apt questions are different from the debconf questions asked during the package maintainer scripts
[21:36] <sarnold> the -qq is a really good question :) hehe
[21:36] <sarnold> lol, from apt-get(8) "More q's will produce more quiet up to a maximum of 2."
[21:36] <sarnold> "produce more quiet" :D
[21:48] <h1pot> I just upgraded to 22.04 lts and it seems I can't execute my previously installed python programs from pip, how can I solve this issue?
[21:48] <noord> python -v ?
[22:04] <h1pot> noord: the output is a really long list but doesn't display any errors
[22:08] <noord> did you try run it via python2.7 ?
[22:08] <noord> if your version was too old it maybe 2.7
[22:11] <h1pot> python --version shows 3.10.4
[22:16] <noord> check version of the packages installed via pip
[22:21] <h1pot> :noord it looks like i have a lot of duplicates for several pip versions, but the last packages are not there in the most recent version
[22:22] <noord> good luck
[22:22] <h1pot> it would be easier if I just wipe out the old packages manually and reinstall all over again?
[22:22] <noord> not sure
[22:27] <en11gma> when using a 3060 ti in an intel/amd motherboard system while running usb live mode i get a white screen at desktop
[22:28] <en11gma> at the "try ubuntu" screen everything is normal and even for a "1" second period at desktop it is normal colors and then BAM! white screen
[22:29] <en11gma> when i click certain items on the left tool bar i do believe it responds correctly but very difficult to see. the top menu bar where wifi and power shut down are i do not think is working but its so white i cant tell
[22:30] <en11gma> there were going to be some other ppl to test this with 30xx series cards in the ubuntu-release-party but i had to leave so i dont know what their results are
[22:30] <en11gma> i do know this isnt good for a final release not to possibly work with all 30xx series cards
[22:34] <ubuntest> hello. i am trying ubuntu again. i regularly use mint cinnnamon.
[22:34] <ubuntest> how can i redefine the keyboard shortcut for show all workspaces?
[22:35] <ubuntest> i don't see that command under the keyboard settings
[22:36] <ubuntest> and how do i add programs to the launcher?
[22:41] <en11gma> pretty quiet channel. whats going on?
[22:42] <leftyfb> en11gma: it's a support channel. Nobody around at the moment to help.
[22:56] <en11gma> everyone downloading the 22.04 final :)
[22:57] <K4rMa> i just bought a laptop but its 20.04 :(
[22:58] <K4rMa> its dell xps 13
[22:58] <K4rMa> i wonder if i can upgrade
[22:58] <K4rMa> my laptop hasnt arrived yet
[22:59] <Guest46> HELP!
[22:59] <Guest46> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:59] <Guest46> HELP!
[22:59] <en11gma> its a free upgrade isnt it? it just wont come preinstalled
[22:59] <Guest46> HELP!
[22:59] <ravage> K4rMa, not much to lose if nothing is installed yet. you can always go back to the provided version
[22:59] <Guest46> HELP!
[23:00] <tomreyn> K4rMa: LTS upgrades to 22.04 won't be supported until around the 22.04.1 release, though
[23:00] <leftyfb> Guest46: when you quiet setting wears off, feel free to specify your problem in as much detail as you can provide. Also include the release of ubuntu you are running and the kernel
[23:00] <ravage> if the laptop is new i would get the ISO und do a clean install anyway
[23:00] <K4rMa> dell is weird so idunno.. i know windows comp is incompatible w/ linux (the reason i bought one w/ linux preinstalled)
[23:01] <leftyfb> K4rMa: feel free to let us know if you run into any issues when you acquire your laptop
[23:01] <K4rMa> okay thx
[23:20] <jStefan> Hello, I like to use gsettings to set my mouse-accel to 'flat
[23:20] <jStefan> how can I do the same for the login screen
[23:21] <jStefan> (didn't mean to do a line break there)
[23:21] <leftyfb> jStefan: why do you need the mouse for the login screen?
[23:22] <jStefan> to click the user that's going to log in
[23:22] <jStefan> i used to be able to do the same command with sudo -u gdm, but doesn't seem to work anymore
[23:23] <jStefan> on 22.04
[23:24] <leftyfb> jStefan: you can just hit enter
[23:25] <leftyfb> or use the arrow keys to pick from multiple users
[23:25] <davidd> any reason why 'do-release-upgrade' won't upgrade me to 22.04?
[23:25] <jStefan> that doesn't really answer the question, that's like saying I have a problem with my car... you can walk
[23:26] <leftyfb> jStefan: except unlike walking vs car, hitting enter and typing a password is quicker than using the mouse
[23:26] <kryten> jStefan: I forgot what I needed it for, but I remember finding some way through a web search that involved logging into the 'gdm' user and 'xauth' or something..
[23:27] <leftyfb> davidd: the upgrade process is never available until the .1 release of LTS's which will be out in August. You can add -d to choose from "development"
[23:27] <davidd> leftyfb: thank you!
[23:27] <Bashing-om> davidd: Check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is it set properly according to the present release ?
[23:27] <kryten> leftyfb, davidd: That only goes for the LTS upgrade path though.
[23:28] <davidd> yea, I am on the lts upgrade path
[23:28] <davidd> didn't know about the .1 thing though
[23:28] <sarnold> usually you can use do-release-upgrade -d   to bypass the check and do the upgrade anyway
[23:28] <jStefan> it usually takes a bit longer for do-release-upgrade to be offered to everyone on 21.10 (few days?)
[23:30] <en11gma> has anyone with a 30xx nvidia gpu did an actual full install to ssd/m.2/hdd yet? i would like to hear if you had white screen problems. if they do i will laugh my azz off
[23:31] <en11gma> format then i fresh install of ubuntu 22.04 amd64 from a usb stick to an ssd/hdd/nvme m.2
[23:31] <amr> I try sudo apt-get build-dep qt5-default But apt can't see qt5-default ? How I can fix this ?
[23:31] <en11gma> if all those ppl have the same problem i have with the "try ubuntu" and my 30xx gpu. i will really laugh
[23:31] <jStefan> en11gma, did you chose to install propietary drivers at install, or no?
[23:32] <en11gma> im only using the "try ubuntu" the only 2 drives i have (1 in each computer) i have windows on. i dont want to dual boot so i just use the "Try ubuntu" option and run live usb
[23:32] <en11gma> so at the time of install if they do chose the binary driver then they probably will be ok. yea thats true
[23:33] <en11gma> i dont remember getting asked that question. i always go into ubuntu software thing and then chose it.
[23:33] <en11gma> i can not get into that area now as its so white i cant read or see anything in any dialog boxes
[23:34] <leftyfb> en11gma: you cannot fully test drivers, especially for things like nvidia from a live environment. You need to install it
[23:34] <jStefan> en11gma, I'm assuming the live environment is fine, and once installed the problem happens ?
[23:34] <en11gma> if you install it i think you will have the same problem i am having
[23:34] <leftyfb> en11gma: doubtful
[23:34] <en11gma> you wont be able to pick the binary driver until you get into that screen where you can pick it
[23:34] <en11gma> you cant get into that screen because screen is all white
[23:35] <leftyfb> en11gma: let us know when you're able to install ubuntu
[23:35] <en11gma> ohhhh i dont think i will have too. i think i can just sit back and watch the people who own 30xx series cards start to complain
[23:36] <en11gma> they can use safe mode. i can see fine while in safe mode
[23:37] <jStefan> en11gma, on my 2060 and a clean install, even the checkbox was on, it seems to be using the open source driver by default.
[23:37] <en11gma> im writing kubuntu to usb stick right now. i guess i will be joining that channel since that will be the flavor i will be running but i will be checking ubuntu daily images to see if it gets fixed which i bet it will soon as this is a huge bug i bet
[23:38] <amr> I try sudo apt-get build-dep qt5-default But apt can't see qt5-default ? How I can fix this ?
[23:38] <leftyfb> amr: what version of ubuntu?
[23:38] <en11gma> jStefan yep the open source driver is the problem im betting. did you try live mode?
[23:39] <amr> 21.10
[23:39] <en11gma> i wonder if the 20xx series cards have same problem
[23:39] <jStefan> amr: seems that package is only on bionic and focal (https://packages.ubuntu.com/qt5-default)
[23:40] <jStefan> en11gma, i don't have any issues so far, live or installed.
[23:40] <en11gma> so you have booted to "try ubuntu" with 22.04 final and the 2060?
[23:40] <jStefan> en11gma, just stating the default seems to be open-source driver, regardless if the propietary thingy was checked on install
[23:42] <jStefan> en11gma, correct, no problems so far
[23:42] <jStefan> en11gma, have you tried using the binary driver instead?
[23:42] <en11gma> cool. at least its not affecting that line of gpu's
[23:43] <en11gma> i cant get to it in the "try ubuntu" also if i could get to it and select it it makes you restart
[23:43] <en11gma> with a live usb you cant do that
[23:43] <en11gma> are you sure you tried it in a live enviroment?
[23:43] <jStefan> en11gma, I only used the live environment to perform the install.
[23:44] <en11gma> so instead of selecting "try ubuntu" you selected "install" thats before the full desktop or did you boot all the way to desktop and then select install?
[23:44] <en11gma> or at the grub menu you selected install?
[23:44] <jStefan> en11gma, I picked install
[23:45] <en11gma> at the grub menu?
[23:45] <jStefan> on the popup
[23:46] <en11gma> oh yea. try and boot to desktop with the "try ubuntu" at grub menu and then the next screen will say "try ubuntu" or "install ubuntu" i think. hit try ubuntu again and that should take you all the way to the desktop. thats where i get my white screen
[23:46] <jStefan> define white, empty text boxes, OR 100% white screen ?
[23:46] <en11gma> if you could test it would be great. i think they got the ypbr or what ever thats called wrong.
[23:47] <jStefan> so up to the popup screen you are fine, you click try ubuuntu, to stay on the live environment, and then it breaks ?
[23:47] <en11gma> i can see some icons on the left menu bar and a couple icons at top right bar. the wifi icon and shutdown thing
[23:47] <en11gma> yep and that is fine and i even make it to the full desktop and it is normal color for 1 second and then bam! white screen
[23:48] <en11gma> i took a picture and i put it on imgur.com let me check
[23:48] <jStefan> white screen, but you can still see some of the desktop's content. you should probably take a screenshot or external picture of that,
[23:48] <en11gma> https://i.imgur.com/MX9E2FE.jpg
[23:48] <jStefan> yeah would be useful i guess
[23:49] <en11gma> https://i.imgur.com/mflQ18e.jpg
[23:49] <kryten> jStefan: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/hide-username-ubuntu-2204-login-screen/ - I think it was tap-to-click in my case and the method appears to still work on 22.04
[23:49] <jStefan> kryten, ty, will check
[23:49] <en11gma> its auto login with live enviroment. skips right past it
[23:50] <leftyfb> !bug | en11gma
[23:50] <en11gma> i reported it to the #ubuntu-next channel 3 weeks ago quite often
[23:51] <leftyfb> en11gma: that isn't filing a big with the devs
[23:51] <sarnold> irc is not a bug tracker
[23:51] <en11gma> i know its not a bug report but if someone would have took the time to try with the same gpu series then we would have known more.
[23:51] <leftyfb> en11gma: that is unlikely to happy
[23:51] <leftyfb> happen*
[23:51] <en11gma> i dont know if it was my particular setup or if it was someone elses so i did report it probably 5x in 3 weeks
[23:51] <leftyfb> file a bug
[23:51] <en11gma> why. many ppl can check this its a live usb
[23:51] <en11gma> not a full install
[23:52] <sarnold> the only ways things get fixed (a) someone files a bug (b) by accident
[23:52] <jStefan> en11gma, is it possible for you to perform an install ?
[23:52] <leftyfb> en11gma: nobody here is going to have the exact same setup as you and is going to try to replicate it. File a bug
[23:52] <leftyfb> en11gma: or just install ubuntu
[23:52] <en11gma> jStefan no. its not. i keep my windows drives with no partitions of ubuntu anywhere :)
[23:52] <en11gma> ive learned my lesson on that too many times
[23:53] <en11gma> jStefan check the live usb real quick with your 2060
[23:53] <en11gma> you might have the same problem
[23:53] <leftyfb> en11gma: sounds like you're not really all that interested in ubuntu to begin with
[23:53] <en11gma> this will be the 7th time i have reported this
[23:53] <en11gma> sounds like you guys arent that interested
[23:53] <jStefan> en11gma, with 2 usb drives, you can install ubuntu from live usb #1 -> empty usb #2. I suggest you temporarily disconnect your windows drives.
[23:53] <leftyfb> en11gma: you have filed zero bug reports
[23:54] <leftyfb> en11gma: IRC is not a bug tracker
[23:54] <en11gma> i always do the same thing i have always done. i report it in the channel
[23:54] <en11gma> and then someone verifies it
[23:54] <en11gma> then they get they get the bug report credit
[23:54] <leftyfb> en11gma: that is not how bugs get fixed
[23:54] <leftyfb> or reported
[23:54] <en11gma> sure it does. ive done it before lots of times
[23:55] <jStefan> once "installed", even on a usb, it should act like a full system, of course A LOT slower.
[23:55] <en11gma> ppl check what i am talking about
[23:55] <leftyfb> en11gma: I can tell you this, zero people in here are going to report the bug you are seeing on your behalf. zero developers will see your issue and work on the problem
[23:55] <en11gma> jStefan its the noveau driver right?
[23:56] <jStefan> en11gma, i'm using noveau rn
[23:56] <en11gma> i dont think thats true at all. this is a live usb. ppl already have it downloaded as thats how they install a fresh install unless they upgrade. so how long does it take to shutdown computer plug usb stick in and select try ubuntu
[23:57] <en11gma> lots of ppl can do that pretty easy and there will be other ppl with 30xx series cards that come in here and say wth is going on and i can say i told em 7x
[23:57] <en11gma> i tried
[23:57] <jStefan> it may not necessarily be a problem on ALL 3060's
[23:57] <en11gma> exactly
[23:57] <sarnold> en11gma: my patience is wearing thin. please stop.
[23:57] <leftyfb> en11gma: zero effort on your part to either install ubuntu or report bugs. You want to just complain until someone else does the work for you without going through the proper channels to get the issues in front of the proper people who can actually fix it
[23:57] <en11gma> i did report here i tried it in both my systems. intel b660 with 12600k and amd X570 with 5600x
[23:58] <en11gma> both have same results
[23:58] <en11gma> and i also reported the 1060 worked fine that i have
[23:58] <en11gma> i can not install ubuntu
[23:58] <ogra> this is not a bug report place
[23:58] <ogra> please use launchpad.net
[23:58] <leftyfb> en11gma: this is not a place for reporting anything. Zero developers are here to accept reports
[23:58] <en11gma> why do you think im using ubuntu dailies
[23:58] <ogra> en11gma, hopefully to report bugs on launchpad ...
[23:58] <leftyfb> thank you sarnold
[23:59] <jStefan> only thing you can get a this point is IF someone else has a 3060, they may report if they are at least fine, but the percentage of users with 30 series is rather low considering availability
[23:59] <ogra> this is the *only* place to get anything fixed ... (and it will automatically steer other people with 3060s to your report)