[00:00] <jStefan> there are a bit over 1000 people here and it's possible you are the only one with a 3060 and 22.04, it's going to be even more rare once you start considering specific hardware combinations
[00:00] <jStefan> launchpad would reach a bigger audience
[00:59] <krystofpatrovich> hello
[01:00] <krystofpatrovich> if you can read this please reply i have some issues with the irc bridge
[01:06] <Bashing-om> krystofpatrovich: :(
[01:06] <krystofpatrovich> k ty seems to work then
[01:08] <Bashing-om> krystofpatrovich: Glad2help :D
[01:09] <krystofpatrovich> You have one free answer, you shall ask now :)
[01:09] <Mibix> ugh just updated my kernel and now getting this neverending bpfilter error
[01:10] <Mibix> guess ill try these first https://www.mvps.net/docs/how-to-fix-the-boot-error-stuck-at-starting-bpfilter-on-ubuntu-19-04/
[01:10] <krystofpatrovich> arch? i guess everyone got this -or is it stuck on boot? distro?
[01:10] <krystofpatrovich> kernel version?
[01:12] <Mibix> i was on 5.4.0-109-generic
[01:12] <Mibix> tryied to go to 5.17.4
[01:12] <Mibix> used that ubuntu mainline kernel installer program
[01:14] <krystofpatrovich> hmm 5.17 seems quite unreasonable unless you have high end enterprise hardware. but nevertheless , are you using any network interfering services?
[01:15] <Mibix> i dont think so?
[01:16] <Mibix> maybe i should boot back to the old kernel heh
[01:16] <krystofpatrovich> easiest way would be go to 5.15 or 5.10 they are stable and already have most hardware. i cant remote check issues. check system logs and paste static content of the issue in a search engine
[01:17] <Mibix> ok ill try if i can get back in
[01:18] <krystofpatrovich> rescue shell, boot in safe mode, nothing working? important data than usb live distro boot and backup or mount and troubleshoot with browser in live distro
[01:20] <krystofpatrovich> anyway good luck, have to work.
[01:20] <Mibix> well i saw in advanced options a way to boot with my old kernel
[01:20] <Mibix> having trouble getting back to the grub menu heh
[01:26] <Mibix> well booted to my old kernel fine
[01:26] <Mibix> guess i should try something lower version?
[01:34] <Mibix> guess ill try 5.15.35
[01:39] <rob0> why the kernel shopping, was there a specific hardware device you needed?
[01:41] <DumbLDoor> Hi! Can I ask about Yaru themes in this channel?
[01:42] <Mibix> im using Cinnamon and it seems to have an issue with Nvidia Geforce GT 710, after like 17 hours or so the ram just goes crazy and i can move the mouse around still but it wont even respond to alt+f2, ctrl alt delete, or anything
[01:43] <Mibix> sometimes i can sneak in an alt+f2 and reload it but not always
[01:43] <Mibix> and the mint forums basically all say to upgrade your kernel
[01:44] <sarnold> DumbLDoor: it's worth a shot..
[01:44] <Bashing-om> DumbLDoor: Yup ask away :D
[01:44] <DumbLDoor> I am unable to build yaru on 22.04 -  it gives an error, unable to find ninja.build in build directory
[01:45] <DumbLDoor> i can give a pastebin link with the message, it is only a one-liner though
[01:46] <sarnold> DumbLDoor: did you get any errors from meson?
[01:47] <DumbLDoor> sarnold: I had to install meson I think.
[01:48] <DumbLDoor> sarnold: I am past that stage I reckon, meson and sassc had to be installed
[01:51] <sarnold> DumbLDoor: maybe re-read your terminal scrollback to make sure the meson build step worked correctly?
[01:52] <DumbLDoor> sarnold: is there a separate meson build step?
[01:53] <sarnold> DumbLDoor: yes, it's before the ninja step.. https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
[01:54] <DumbLDoor> sarnold: I reached the link just as you pinged me :) ty so much
[01:54] <sarnold> :D
[02:13] <jaafar> Are there any release parties in SF?
[02:13]  * jaafar remembers those fondly
[02:19] <Mibix> ughhhhhh
[02:19] <Mibix> still getting these bpfilter read 0 errors when on 5.15.35
[02:19] <Mibix> pretty sure i uninstalled all nvidia drivers
[02:24] <Mibix> do i need libssl3 if i want to be on 5.15 even if im on ubuntu 20.04?
[02:32] <sarnold> apt-cache show linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic | grep ssl
[02:32] <sarnold> ... I don't see any libssl depdencies thre
[02:33] <Kez> can someone help me with crypttab? i'm trying to switch from clevis to systemd-cryptenroll. Somehow initrd does not recognize tpm2-device as an option on boot.
[02:33] <redstar> Are there any trusted ppas where I could get the latest versions of nodejs?
[02:34] <blaster> If I install from source am I locked into that version?
[02:35] <Mibix> sarnold so try 25 instead of 35?
[02:36] <Mibix> these are the errors im getting sorry for screenshots wouldnt let me copy and paste https://imgur.com/a/6xJC34P
[02:36] <sarnold> Mibix: ah, I just went with the largest version number I spotted in my apt-cache search output ;) heh
[02:37] <sarnold> Mibix: ahhhh I see, these aren't the hwe kernels, but the debugging kernels.. maybe skip installing the headers package?
[02:38] <Mibix> i dont think the dependencies are in 20.04 but are in 22.04
[02:38] <Mibix> for 15 or later
[02:39] <sarnold> right, those kernels are apparently built on a newer release
[02:39] <Mibix> i guess im going to try 5.14.21
[02:40] <Mibix> think those still work on 20.04 heh
[02:44] <Kez> i guess tpm2 is not supported on 5.15.0-25
[02:48] <croran_44[m]> Any tips on getting VP9 decode working on smplayer with GTX 1060?
[02:48] <Mibix> heh no errors on this most recent 5.14 vesrion yet :D
[02:49] <croran_44[m]> or i would switch to whatever ubuntu supports if that fixes my decode.
[02:51] <croran_44[m]> Yeah looks like Totem does even worse. I assume that's the 'normal ubuntu' player.
[02:53] <Mibix> i have still getting that nvidia error sarnold
[02:55] <Mibix> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3wsy8S8h27/
[02:56] <sarnold> Mibix: scripts/basic/fixdep: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by scripts/basic/fixdep)
[02:57] <sarnold> Mibix: that fixdep executable was built on a newer system
[02:57] <sarnold> Mibix: rebuild that executable on your current system?
[02:57] <Mibix> uhh
[02:57] <Mibix> haha no idea how to do that heh
[02:58] <matsaman> do what?
[02:59] <sarnold> heya matsaman :)
[02:59] <sarnold> < Mibix> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3wsy8S8h27/ < sarnold> Mibix: scripts/basic/fixdep: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by scripts/basic/fixdep)
[02:59] <sarnold> I suggest rebuilding the fixdep executable
[03:02] <croran_44[m]> it appears the best I'm going to get is to use the mpv engine and select the 'gpu' output driver. vdpau didn't help for some reason, and vlc maxed out my CPU cores no matter what.
[03:03] <croran_44[m]> mpv + gpu at least keeps my cores between 40% and 90% usage instead of constantly at 95-100%
[03:12] <Mibix> trying to uninstall the damn nvidia driver
[03:12] <Mibix> just keeasdjf;asdf;ksldjfs
[03:15] <Mibix> nvidia x server settings says this version is installed
[03:15] <Mibix> if i do the uninstall commands it says it isnt installed
[03:15] <Mibix> in software and updates i cant select anything but manually installed driver
[03:15]  * Mibix kills self
[03:17] <sarnold> how did you get into this predicament in the first place? would it be easier to copy your data off, and start over with a fresh install, and evaporate all this history of oddball kernels and drivers and whatever?
[03:17] <Mibix> no
[03:22] <atol> Hi, Why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d say: ''This release is still in development.'' for 22.04?
[03:24] <Mibix> ok i think i fixed the nvidia drivers
[03:24] <Mibix> lol
[03:24] <Mibix> might try to kernel update again
[03:29] <Mibix> how do i rebuild that fixdep thing?
[03:30] <sarnold> atol: the LTS->LTS upgrades won't be easily enabled until august; the 21.10 -> 22.04 upgrade will be enabled sooner, when some of the known bugs have been ironed out
[03:30] <sarnold> Mibix: I'm not sure, it depends where it came from ..
[03:31] <atol> kk thanks
[03:31] <Mibix> i derno where it came from lol i just using that Ubuntu Mainline Kernel Installer
[03:32] <jhutchins> atol: Although the release began today, there are a lot of steps and work required to make everything work.  Some parts may not be done yet.
[03:33] <Mibix> maybe i should just update to 22.04 lol
[03:33] <atol> So the release yesterday was the legendary NOT RELEASE....
[03:33] <atol> LOL
[03:33] <Mibix> oh nvm it was just released yesterday haha
[03:34] <atol> Official Ubuntu Support Channel?
[03:34] <atol> Fck Off
[03:38] <jhutchins> atol: If you were to volunteer to help, it would go that much faster.
[03:57] <Mibix> ooooo
[03:57] <Mibix> i got 5.17.4 working using that tuxinvader ppa
[03:57] <Mibix> :D
[04:03] <Mibixy> back to normal :D
[05:18] <transhumanist> so idt seems installing  Canonical Common Criteria EAL2 Provisioning packages is not available for ubuntu 22.04 is it only available for ubuntu server?
[05:18] <transhumanist> I am trying to install  this https://snapcraft.io/anbox-cloud-appliance
[05:34] <randomxusr> I've just upgraded to 22.04 in my VM and would like to give Kernel 5.17 a spin. How can I go about doing this? Do I need to add a PPA? Or is it available in an Ubuntu Repo?
[05:42] <Bashing-om> randomxusr: See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds .
[05:44] <Bashing-om> randomxusr: Be aware the 5.17 version is expected in the first point release.
[05:46] <randomxusr> Bashing-om, Fair enough and thanks for the Link. My VM is not a prod machine; so I may give it a whirl either way
[05:55] <Bashing-om> randomxusr: :D Good luck.
[05:59] <randomxusr> Bashing-om, Thanks. I'll try to break it good
[05:59] <Maik> Bashing-om: i'm a bit indoubt here if the first point release will actually ship a newer kernel. With 20.04.1 they stuck on the 5.4 kernel that came with 20.04 and the HWE kernel came with 20.04.2.
[06:00] <marcoagpinto> [06:47:35] <marcoagpinto> how do I run the guestadditions in 22.04LTS?
[06:00] <marcoagpinto> [06:47:42] <marcoagpinto> it doesn't autorun
[06:00] <marcoagpinto> [06:48:05] <marcoagpinto> Windows 10 host
[06:00] <marcoagpinto> no one in the vbox channel helps
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Maik: Fair point. 5.17 remains as "WIP".
[06:12] <benishor> hi there
[06:13] <benishor> willing to upgrade to 22.04 from 21.10 here but no upgrade notification appears
[06:13] <benishor> I've also tried sudo do-release-upgrade -c
[06:13] <benishor> any ideas?
[06:13] <duck_> boot up windows
[06:15] <benishor> duck_: thanks, but that ship has sailed 14 years ago
[06:15] <duck_> idk what came over me, sorry
[06:15] <benishor> I can however run a do-release-upgrade -d, in which case I get the `Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Jammy Jellyfish' development release`  notification
[06:15] <benishor> ''This release is still in development.''
[06:16] <benishor> not sure what to make of it. hasn't the release taken place officially yesterday?
[06:16] <duck_> i just downloaded the new ISO for a VM, never had to upgrad.
[06:18] <benishor> ok, fuck it. I'll continue with devel-release. banzai!
[06:22] <Maik> benishor: afaik the upgrade path will take a few days before it's opened
[06:23] <benishor> Maik: I suppose devel version is as good as the stable one atm?
[06:23] <Maik> yep
[06:23] <benishor> no real differences?
[06:23] <benishor> thank you!
[06:23] <benishor> upgrade in progress
[06:23] <Maik> i upgraded yesterday
[06:23] <Maik> so far no issues
[06:24] <benishor> Maik: what did you upgrade from?
[06:24] <Maik> 20.04
[06:26] <benishor> very nice. I suppose the new features feel good
[06:35] <Guest1679> has anyone tried 22.04, i put the iso on a usb twice and it will not boot.  grub has some error but it speeds by so fast can't read, i get the menu and try to launch but all i get is a blinking underscore and it does nothing...
[06:36] <kylen> Hello Ubuntu people :)
[06:39] <kylen> Thx for 22.04 it's amazing:) at this time i running on Rpi400 (arm64) at @2.2Ghz and is good:)
[06:41] <kylen> sd -> (Samsung Evo) A2/V30 class works good for rpi.
[06:58] <nikolam> I wonder in Ubuntu OpenZFS implementation.. does ZFS pool is exported on shutdown?
[06:58] <nikolam> I have USB-connected ZFS pool on one USB drive, that isn't imported on reboot..
[06:59] <nikolam> I would like it to be imported automatically on boot, as the other SATA-connected pool is.
[06:59] <benishor> hello from 22.04
[06:59] <benishor> that went smooth
[07:18] <xu-irc63w> !new
[07:18] <xu-irc63w> whats new ubuntu
[07:29] <iomari891> join #ubunut-next
[07:30] <iomari891> greetings, I can't find ubuntu amd64 on the download page.
[07:33] <luna> iomari891, https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/
[07:34] <randomxusr> Is openZFS officially supported on Ubuntu?
[07:34] <luna> randomxusr, yeah
[07:35] <randomxusr> luna, Arch is my daily driver using btrfs, but I may have to go with Ubuntu openzfs for reasons.... On Arch I'd have to use the AUR for openZFS
[08:01] <randomxusr> anyone know what package provides openZFS on 22.04?
[08:04] <buntucoffee> hi, anyone having an issue with ubuntu 22.04 usb not loading? it's stuck at boot
[08:05] <randomxusr> buntucoffee, Are you attempting to install on Bare Metal or VM?  UEFI or BIOS?
[08:08] <kylen> buntucoffee: first think, usb was write good? - if you have slow sdcard You must wait ~5 minutes after burning img->sd on linux you can do "sudo sync" and look "iotop" tools and wait for end writer
[08:15] <randomxusr> does ubuntu support Luks2?
[08:31] <buntucoffee> randomxusr sorry, got disconnected - on a hp ryzen 5 laptop
[08:31] <buntucoffee> uefio
[08:31] <buntucoffee> but 20.04 had no problem with it
[08:32] <randomxusr> That was 20.04. what exactly happens?  Is there any error message?
[08:33] <buntucoffee> no error message - sometimes it's just the loader with logo (splash screen) that loads in an infinite loop
[08:33] <buntucoffee> then other times it's a wall of text
[08:34] <buntucoffee> I had the same thing happening trying out beta some weeks ago, but then once i finally was able to load the installer and install. Then after resetting it was the same, I had to boot the computer 5-10 times to get to gdm login
[08:35] <randomxusr> buntucoffee, so it eventually worked/booted with beta?  Did you make any changes to the bios or update it?
[08:38] <buntucoffee> no
[08:38] <buntucoffee> just realoded the image, but then it was the same issue after install. It worked, but only after multiple resets
[08:38] <buntucoffee> it never reached the gdm login
[08:38] <buntucoffee> or when it did, it loaded in 2s
[08:41] <buntucoffee> sorry i keep getting disconnected
[08:41] <randomxusr> s'alright
[08:41] <buntucoffee> did you reply anything randomuxr
[08:41] <buntucoffee> randomxusr
[08:41] <randomxusr> no. But since you're back, what hardware are you running on? laptop? desktop?  VM?
[08:42] <buntucoffee> laptop, HP Envy x360, Ryzen 5
[08:42] <buntucoffee> AMD graphics
[08:42] <buntucoffee> Thinking about giving it a shot with Debian now
[08:42] <buntucoffee> but don't know if the kernel is too stale
[08:43] <randomxusr> buntucoffee, give me a moment?
[08:44] <buntucoffee> sure, thanks!
[08:46] <randomxusr> buntucoffee, ok, so the apci/dsdt tables are less than stellar on that machine. Is the EFI partition still the original for booting windows?
[08:48] <buntucoffee> randomxusr I chose 'delete entire disk' when installing. If there's another way to check ...
[08:56] <buntucoffee> since i can install 20.04, how would it work if I do a clean install of 20.04 and then upgrade to 22.04
[08:56] <buntucoffee> ?
[08:58] <scanno> sigh... no aptx support anymore in pipewire ☹️
[09:01] <BrianHechinger[m> Ubuntu Studio 22.04 (so Plasma): How do I have apps autostart on particular desktops when I login? I don't want everything starting on desktop1.
[09:18] <Guest3> I can't get new upgrade. I have done `do-release-upgrade`
[09:19] <EriC^> Guest3: i think you cant upgrade from 20.04 til the 22.04.1 is released, if you want to upgrade now i think you have to run "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[09:19] <Guest3> well that says, and I quote "Development version"
[09:19] <EriC^> yeah
[09:20] <Guest3> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook Look like upstream is not updated for this.
[09:25] <tykling> any tips on fixing this? https://dpaste.com/CSVZZXNMK
[09:28] <tux2bsd> where are the SHAxxx sums for xubuntu?
[09:29] <tux2bsd> https://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/22.04/release/
[09:30] <tux2bsd> the verification stuff should be more clearly represented on the xubuntu site
[09:34] <EriC^> tux2bsd: maybe removing libpython3.10-stdlib then installing libpython3.10-minimal libpython3.10-stdlib
[09:35] <EriC^> !info libpython3.10-stdlib focal
[09:35] <tux2bsd> tag the right person to get their attention
[09:36] <EriC^> tux2bsd: it's some issue with the ppa, it seems that both packages have /usr/lib/python3.10/typing.py, i think maybe using some force flag with dpkg might do it
[09:37] <EriC^> dpkg -i --force-conflicts /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython3.10-minimal_3.10.4-1+focal2_amd64.deb
[09:37] <EriC^> and dpkg -i --force.. /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython3.10-stdlib_3.10.4-1+focal2_amd64.deb
[09:57] <sayal> Discon()
[09:59] <dante> Hello
[09:59] <dante> Can I get tech support here?
[10:00] <dante> I'm sorry I am new to IRC
[10:03] <rud0lf> you should wait more than 2 minutes for an answer :P
[10:04] <iomari891> greetings, why is the new amd64 not available yet?
[10:13] <tux2bsd> iomari891 while it is released it isn't being distributed via the update mechanism yet
[10:14] <tealtabbycat> yy
[10:14] <tealtabbycat> oops
[10:14] <blahdeblah> tealtabbycat: Need focus follows brain, eh? :-)
[10:15] <tealtabbycat> hehe
[10:28] <benni> Where are netboot images for Ubuntu 22.04?
[10:36] <hootch> Hey all I am in trouble with 22.04 and the start of "Ubuntu Software" > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W8kQQxFkGM/ > I'll thankful for any hints
[10:41] <ogra> hootch, open a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/
[10:44] <ice9> adding calendar events gnome doesn't show up in google's calendar but vice versa works
[10:45] <hootch> ogra: done :)
[10:46] <Watter> Hello everyone, I have trouble upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04. The package install of ssl-cert fails.
[10:48] <Watter> I get the following message https://pastebin.com/XQ5e2DLg
[10:49] <Guest5> Watter, IANAExpert, but it may be too soon to try that.
[10:51] <mogmoug> Hi :-)
[10:52]  * walalaalaal https://cryptobug.wordpress.com For All Released AstaraOS , support channel irc.worldhacker.org channel #0day and #0dev ... .
[11:31] <ooonea_eth> I have installed Ubuntu 22.04. I have connected my machine to live latch several times, because I could not enable it. Now I succeeded, but it shows me 3 machines connected: actually it is always the same.
[11:31] <ooonea_eth> Is there any way to disconnect the other two machines?
[11:35] <gordonjcp> ooonea_eth: connected it to what, exactly?
[11:36] <ooonea_eth> https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[11:36] <hootch_> sudo ua detach
[11:36] <hootch_> ua --help
[11:37] <ooonea_eth> hootch_ That command only detaches the current machine (but it doesn't actually work for that current either).
[11:38] <ooonea_eth> I try to detach the same machine, which, by previous attempts, is still attacked.
[11:39] <tomreyn> This question comes up here occasionally - I have not yet seen an answer to it. Livepatch is a service managed and provided by Canonical Ltd, yuo'd need to contact them for support.
[12:15] <akun> fsdf
[12:15] <akun> sdfsdfsdf
[12:15] <akun> sdfsdfsdf
[12:21] <tomreyn> akun: please don't spam this channel. there is #tests if you need to test something.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:25] <bittin> hi
[12:26] <jailbreak> Hi.... No.
[12:48] <m4cro> Hello, trying to figure out why I cannot see my second installation of Ubuntu in the boot loader. Updated grub file, but nothing... any hint?
[12:58] <Acheron> m4cro, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[12:59] <Acheron> see if that helps
[13:06] <m4cro> @Acheron thx, i m going to try
[13:42] <Billy72> Hello :)
[13:43] <Billy72> is it hard to upgrade 20.04 to 22.04?
[13:44] <Billy72> (without doing a clean install)
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Billy72
[13:45] <zhangboyang> hello everyone. Is there anyone who successed boot 22.04 live dvd using a real dvd media? (i.e burn it to dvd and use a dvd drive to read that disc) My dvd drive keeps seeking the disk and i have waited longer than 20 minutes.
[13:46] <Billy72> Thanks lotuspsychje I will just wait :)
[13:57] <zhangboyang> i finally entered ubuntu live desktop after about 30~40 minutes, I think I should make a live usb instead of a dvd next time :(
[13:58] <ChrisWarrick> live USBs don’t work as coasters
[13:58] <transhumanist> so it seems installing  Canonical Common Criteria EAL2 Provisioning packages is not available for Ubuntu 22.04 is it only available for Ubuntu server? I am trying to install  this https://snapcraft.io/anbox-cloud-appliance    , should I be asking this question in another channel?
[13:59] <ChrisWarrick> (but in all seriousness, you should be making USBs, especially since you can just wipe it after the install instead of keeping a useless physical object)
[14:05] <ogra> transhumanist, that website you linked has a "contact us" link ... try that one
[14:05] <ogra> transhumanist, note that anbox-cloud is a commercial product
[14:07] <ogra> (that website also has links to install instructions and how to obtain the required "Ubuntu Advantage for Applications token")
[14:12] <LuckyMan> Jammy Ubuntu on my main desktop, do-release-upgrade -d, all seems to be working except Flutter and cheese
[14:12] <LuckyMan> the webcam seems to be fine on Teams, nevertheless
[14:13] <ravage> i think there is an open bug report for cheese
[14:13] <ravage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/cheese/+bug/1967843
[14:13] <LuckyMan> thanks
[14:42] <Menzador> Hmmm... I'm having a little trouble using the new 22.04 LTS image, but I think it may be due to the app I used to write it to the USB stick I'm using... if I have additional problems I'll let y'all know
[14:43] <Menzador> (for reference I'm using balenaEtcher on Windows 10 on my work computer; we use these images for more advanced tools)
[14:45] <Menzador> OK, looks like it worked with another USB stick. I'll try again with the original USB stick and see how it goes. Thanks anyway :)
[14:46] <cbreak> how can I prevent the ubuntu installer from installing that pointless cloud-init stuff?
[14:46] <leftyfb> cbreak: remove it when you are done
[14:50] <Guest3> I've tried to configure UA on my ubuntu server today, and it's printed out an old email address in terminal when I've run `ua attach <token>`. I've updated the email everywhere I can find it (ubuntu one profile, forums, launchpad) but it's still echoing that old email when I attach. Can anyone please point me in the right direction to sort this?
[14:51] <ravage> UA is a service provides by Canocial. The community cant assist you here. You have to get in contact with Canocial.
[14:52] <Guest3> ok, I might try the forums as I'm only using the free UA tier and they point to community support. thanks ravage
[14:52] <cbreak> leftyfb: so there's no way to make the installer not install it?
[14:53] <leftyfb> cbreak: not that I know of
[14:53] <cbreak> :( ah well, thanks for that info :(
[14:55] <Guest3> the whole Launchpad/One/SSO situation is very confusing. I've had an account since 2009 and I think it's gotten a bit weird.
[15:06] <Guest3> ayyy patience is all it took. took a while to propagate around the SSO universe
[15:23] <ice9> adding calendar events in gnome doesn't show up in google's calendar but vice versa works
[15:25] <wez> ice9: It works fine for me when running Thunderbird under gnome
[15:48] <Gabchart> hi
[15:51] <wez> hi Gabchart
[15:51] <wez> How are you?
[16:09] <kix> is anyone experiencing issues with copy/pasting to the desktop on 22.04?
[16:15] <wez> kix: No, mostly because I haven't upgraded yet
[16:36] <SuperLag> Have any of you folks experienced issues where you got no keyboard response while RDP'd into a 22.04 machine?
[16:38] <mybalzitch> lol, I started a do-release-upgrade before leaving the house, I came back and (I think?) one of my dogs managed to turn my computer off at the power bar. thankfully the system still booted, and it's doing a dist-upgrade now. hopefully this works out
[16:40] <SuperLag> mybalzitch: oh man
[16:53] <GSMarquis> How can I adjust the scaling of my battery reading for BT mouse. At 100% charge is displays 50%.
[16:54] <rumqii> multiply by 2?
[16:54] <raddy> How can dpkg determine the packages which are no longer required ?
[16:54] <ravage> raddy, apt autoremove
[16:55] <raddy> ravage: Please read my question again.
[16:55] <ravage> it cant
[16:55] <raddy> I mean in what basis?
[16:56] <raddy> php7.4, mysql-server and all are used
[16:56] <raddy> But it says they are no longer required
[16:56] <ravage> if you are on 22.04 these are outdated packages
[16:56] <raddy> May be it just suggests based on dependency.
[16:57] <ravage> The autoremove option removes packages that were automatically installed because some other package required them but, with those other packages removed, they are no longer needed.
[17:06] <midok> is the setting for mtu : automatic has been removed/relocated in 18.04 ?
[17:10]  * ogra notes that dpkg does not determine any dependencies ... only apt does ... 
[17:23] <LeafPadEntity> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu-MATE Jammy Jellyfish, and can HIGHLY recommend the OS, its perfection incarnate.
[17:24] <rob0> oh wow!
[17:25] <LeafPadEntity> Yes, as I installed the OS, my body entered a state of post-orgasmic pleasure.
[17:25] <thingfish> oh please
[17:25] <rob0> lol
[17:25] <LeafPadEntity> Cascading, ever increasing waves of euphoria and enlightenment streamed through my ever fiber of being, as my OS installed and formated the FileSystem
[17:26] <LeafPadEntity> Once the Installer finished, I had to take a shower to wash off all of my ****** **** ********** that was flowing out of every orifice.
[17:26] <LeafPadEntity> Upon first login, I moaned as the system auto-updated.
[17:27] <rob0> I think if you kiss a jellyfish, it can be a shocking experience.
[17:27] <LeafPadEntity> Once I saw my screen resolution, I said "It's so BIG!".
[17:27] <LeafPadEntity> I saw my FireWall, and said "It's Impenetrable Senpai!!"
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> good one on the jellyfish
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> "I'll keep you updated bby"
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> "I'll give you a lot of SWAP space BB-Cakes"
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> And I'll make sure your battery is nice and full to the brim .... of electronics thanks to a full charge =(
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> =)
[17:28] <LeafPadEntity> :)
[17:29] <LeafPadEntity> Truely, Ubuntu MATE is a enlightenment to use
[17:32] <Sven_vB> doesn't MATE use Gnome?
[17:33] <Lumpio-> Mate is basically a continuation of Gnome 2
[17:33] <Lumpio-> A fork
[17:34] <Lumpio-> So it's not exactly Gnome anymore, but it did take an older version of Gnome as a base to start from.
[17:34] <LeafPadEntity> MATE is lighter than modern Gnome right?
[17:34] <LeafPadEntity> is it still security updated?
[17:38] <rundik> is this working?
[17:38] <JoeBk_> rundik, no
[17:39] <rundik> nice
[17:39] <OO-Dragon> Hello, I just recently upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04. Things went pretty well, but I created a script to change the resolution of my monitors in prior releases but it uses xrandr, which doesn't seem to work with wayland. Anyone know how to change screen resolutions through the command line when using wayland?
[17:39] <LeafPadEntity> Why not just manually set it
[17:39] <OO-Dragon> It takes time
[17:39] <LeafPadEntity> Like 1 minute
[17:39] <LeafPadEntity> to set resolution
[17:40] <thingfish> so does asking for help and searching for answers.  (takes time)
[17:40] <OO-Dragon> I made it an alias, so I just type 1920 in command to adjust my big monitor, and 2560 for the higher resolution
[17:40] <OO-Dragon> I change it daily multiple times, I have looked all over, but haven't seen anything that works using Wayland
[17:40] <rob0> is X11 no longer an option for 22.04?
[17:41] <OO-Dragon> it's an option, but I would prefer to stick with wayland
[17:41] <OO-Dragon> AKA I'm trying to update my script to work with new ubuntu + wayland
[17:41] <OO-Dragon> I use 1920 res for movies / shows, and 2560 for development and work
[17:42] <thingfish> look for 'gnome-randr' -- who knows, it may be what you're looking for.
[17:43] <OO-Dragon> Thanks, looking up now
[17:43] <jhutchins> OO-Dragon: What does Wayland do that you need?
[17:43] <midak> hi ol.the apt update recommended : linux-image-4.15.0-176-generic ,but was :The following packages have been kept back.. is it safe to manual install using sudo apt install linux-image-generic  ?
[17:44] <midak> there was warning: pc might not reboot,so i did not proceed
[17:44] <OO-Dragon> jhutchins: Nothing, I'm just trying to update things to use newer standards
[17:48] <jhutchins> OO-Dragon: Well, Wayland is still in development, and is not as full-featured as X11, even if some of the features are obsolete.
[17:49] <OO-Dragon> jhutchins: Since it's now the default in the LTS version of Ubuntu, I figured it was time to look into updating things.
[17:56] <OO-Dragon> thingfish: Hey, thanks for gnome-randr mention, looks like that's my best bet right now.
[17:56] <thingfish> cool!
[18:02] <ice9> i have hyprid graphics and nvidia driver is used but the OpenGL renderer is Intel not nvidida: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa Intel(R) Xe Graphics
[18:15] <tomreyn> midak: please show the full command you ran, and the full output it produced, on a pastebin-like service such as termbin.com
[18:16] <tomreyn> midak: also add auxiliary information such as which ubuntu release you are running.
[18:16] <tomreyn> and any possibly relevant unusual or unsupported configurations you may have.
[18:16] <rollappuser> hi
[18:17] <rollappuser> my name is nathan
[18:18] <midak> tomreyn, ifconfig wlxe8de271f8f76 mtu 1472 is working fine but not persistent after reboot.. ubuntu 18.04..
[18:19] <midak> edited /etc/network/interfaces ,by adding mtu 1472,but mtu in ifconfig did not change
[18:20] <tomreyn> midak: i was responding to your question about installing a linux kernel update.
[18:20] <randomxusr> Looking for options to customize/configure the DE in vanilla ubuntu. Is Gnome Tweaks still a thing, or are there other tools recommended for configuration?
[18:20] <thingfish> I wonder if gnome-tweaks even works outside of vanilla GNOME.
[18:21] <midak> tomreyn, i see,let me run the apt update again
[18:21] <tomreyn> midak: also, don't use ifconfig, use "ip" from the "iproute2" package.
[18:22] <tomreyn> midak: for persistent network configurations, use network-manager (preferred on desktops) or systemd-networkd (preferred on servers, but manage it through netplan there)
[18:23] <randomxusr> tomreyn, Does anyone still use net-tools?
[18:23] <midak> tnx,noted.
[18:23] <tomreyn> randomxusr: midak does, or did so far.
[18:24] <tomreyn> randomxusr: gnome tweaks should still be useful.
[18:24] <randomxusr> tomreyn, anythin other than gnome-tweaks I should be aware of?
[18:25] <midak> brb re the upgrade issue.tnx all
[18:25] <tomreyn> rollappuser: hi, if you have an ubuntu support question, feel free to ask it here. for other topics, there's the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[18:25] <tomreyn> randomxusr: the default Settings app
[18:26] <tomreyn> and maybe gnome-shell-extensions, which provide many different ways to shoot yourself in the feet.
[18:26] <randomxusr> tomreyn, got it. I may have to consider moving to Kubuntu.... And I just installed the latest kernel too
[18:28] <jStefan> Does this chatroom have a log online? I want to scroll back to content I saw while using another client, which I don't have available anymore.
[18:28] <tomreyn> !log | jStefan
[18:29] <jStefan> ty
[18:29] <fattredd> Anybody have an elegant way of managing bash variables? I'd like to store some info in `./localvars`, then source them in a couple other scripts, but I'd like the ability to update the variables easily from the scripts. Is there a simple tool for that kind of thing, or should I just us sed?
[18:30] <tomreyn> fattredd: try #bash
[18:31] <fattredd> Good call. Will do
[18:31] <jStefan> kryten, I've solved my mouse acceleration on login screen, needed to install dbus-x11. and then used sudo -u dgm and dbus-launch to issue the command. ty.
[18:34] <sarnold> jStefan: can you uninstall dbus-x11 and have things keep working? I have vague memories that it causes problems elsewhere
[18:37] <oxfuxxx> Hey, anyone still running ubuntu or an older linux on intel cedarview gma3600 chipset? i'm trying to see which distrib still support the old closed source drivers for 3d acceleration.
[18:42] <jStefan> sarnold, as it wasn't installed by default, i did rewove it, it's just a mouse settings, and it seems to stick, so i'm not sure if it would cause other issues.
[18:43] <jStefan> by stick i mean it seems to keep the setting.
[18:46] <sarnold> jStefan: nice, thanks :)
[18:54] <ice9> i'm upgrading ubuntu server and i see its installing packages for yaru theme and mutter, how come?
[18:57] <tomreyn> ice9: you'll have packages installed that depend on or recommend these packages. you are possibly using an unsupported upgrade approach.
[18:58] <ice9> i'm on 20.4 and doing do-release-upgrade -d
[19:00] <tomreyn> do you read release notes?
[19:00] <tomreyn> man pages?
[19:00] <tomreyn> --help output?
[19:12] <ice9> tomreyn, yes, but they don't explain why a server installation would install yaru them and mutter even if it's a development release!
[19:14] <sarnold> ice9: purge them and find out what you've got installed that dragged them in
[19:16] <tomreyn> apt-rdepends may be of use
[19:16] <sarnold> yeah, that's excellent, but there's something nice and visceral about seeing the names of the packages you've got installed and one little enter press makes them go away..
[19:21] <Hash> How's 22.04?
[19:21] <Hash> Anyone done upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04?
[19:21] <Hash> How'd that go?
[19:22] <tomreyn> Hash: this channel is about support questions, not polls.
[19:22] <Hash> Where can I ask this?
[19:22] <GSMarquis> Is there a way to scale the battery display on BT mouse?
[19:22] <Hash> Because I want to upgrade, but want to know it won't break things
[19:22] <ice9> Hash, i did it on desktop and server and both went well
[19:23] <tomreyn> Hash: there are release notes which cover known issues
[19:23] <ice9> in 22.04 there is no /usr/bin/python3 and no /usr/bin/python
[19:23] <ice9> sorry i mean there is no /usr/bin/python but there is /usr/bin/python3
[19:24] <Hash> ice9: from 20 to 22?
[19:24] <ice9> Hash, yes
[19:24] <Hash> Ty
[19:24] <ice9> welcome
[19:24] <sarnold> ice9: feel free to install your choice of python-is-python3 python-is-python2 to decide which set of scripts you want to break
[19:25] <ice9> Hash, just make sure no broken packages on your system and disable custom PPA and do dist-upgrade and reboot before starting the release upgrade
[19:25] <rumqii> those packages do only create a symlink to the python binary?
[19:26] <Hash> Ok
[19:26] <Hash> I'll image the disk before upgrade
[19:26] <Hash> in case something bad happens, I can restore it.
[19:28] <en11gma> if i use an ubuntu 22.04 amd64 image on #1 usb stick and i can tell it to install to #2 usb stick what happens with my windows 11 nvme m.2 drive?
[19:28] <Hash> nothing
[19:28] <en11gma> i dont want ubuntu doing anything to my bootloader or anything at all to that drive period
[19:29] <en11gma> yes it does grub always fights for it
[19:29] <Hash> As I think, it shouldn't write anything to your anything
[19:29] <Hash> Windows will remain untouched
[19:29] <en11gma> it does though
[19:29] <en11gma> it will mess with windows partition manager at some point
[19:29] <Hash> When it asks you where to isntall grub, don't use an hdd
[19:29] <en11gma> i get that
[19:29] <Hash> Peculiar.
[19:29] <Hash> I have done that, install from one usb to another, to make a portable linux usb
[19:29] <en11gma> it happens with kernal updates or grub updates
[19:30] <Hash> I didn't have windows on the system though. Just ubuntu
[19:30] <en11gma> yea so you got to be careful answering that question because grub definatiely tries to take over all drives
[19:30] <en11gma> either during update grub or an updated kernel or something
[19:30] <Hash> Well, yeah, I mena, bootlaoder install is part of the install process which you must understand and know
[19:31] <thingfish> when I installed 22.04 alongside Windows 11, GRUB definitely took over the bootloader.
[19:31] <Hash> The only step it would touch your hdd is where you tell it to install
[19:31] <en11gma> everytime i have had ubuntu and windows installed "side by side" something terrible always happens to my windows install
[19:31] <Hash> I always do advanced /expert install
[19:31] <Hash> I don't know the tiny options for the normal install
[19:31] <en11gma> again this isnt during the install
[19:31] <Hash> I get the bigger optinos for advanced/expert install
[19:32] <en11gma> this is when there is an 'update grub' command issured or a new kernel install where it requires a reboot
[19:32] <Hash> Maybe you need advanced install method to be able to tell ubuntu which hdd to install bootloader, pick usb
[19:32] <en11gma> its during install when the problem happens
[19:32] <en11gma> its not during the install*
[19:32] <Hash> well, bootlaoder is post install, but before reboot.
[19:32] <Hash> so 'during the installation' sounds accurate too
[19:33] <en11gma> im talking after ubuntu has been installed for 2 months
[19:33] <en11gma> and then boom!
[19:33] <tomreyn> en11gma: your misconception is that there is something like an Os dedicated storage media. there are storage medias in your computer, which any OS running on them can access. if you install Ubuntu in UEFI mode, it will write a boot loader to the UEFI system partition, wherever that is.
[19:33] <Hash> Oh
[19:33] <Hash> Ohhh, that's UEFI stuff. Correct.
[19:33] <Hash> If it's legacy, then it won't touch your windows fat32 bootlaoder drive and put itself in there.
[19:33] <en11gma> my windows drive has secure boot
[19:33] <tomreyn> * EFI (not UEFI) system partition
[19:34] <Hash> windows has a default 100mb or so partition, not mounted, fat32, where only efi loader live
[19:34] <en11gma> its gpt secure boot with tpm 2.0
[19:34] <Hash> That's the default location for bootloading for efi
[19:34] <Hash> now it makes sense.
[19:34] <en11gma> ahhh
[19:34] <en11gma> so how do i ban ubuntu from touching that area ?
[19:34] <Hash> good question
[19:35] <tomreyn> you make that disk unaccessbile to it
[19:35] <en11gma> i want to install ubuntu but i dont want to go with trying to fix a problem later on for like 2 hrs
[19:35] <en11gma> pull the nvme m.2?
[19:35] <en11gma> or can i do it in bios?
[19:35] <Hash> no that's not a solution.
[19:35] <Hash> pulling out drives
[19:35] <Hash> has to be a different way
[19:35] <tomreyn> maybe, we only support ubuntu here, not your bios
[19:36] <en11gma> thats what i always have had to do for ubuntu or linux not to touch my windows drives
[19:36] <Hash> true.
[19:36] <en11gma> so its not an ubuntu problem it is a bios problem more then likely?
[19:36] <Hash> What exactly is the problem?
[19:36] <Hash> Grub should include a windows entry when it detects it
[19:36] <Hash> You cannot boot iwndows?
[19:36] <Hash> can you retell the issue?
[19:36] <en11gma> no problem yet as i have not installed ubuntu
[19:37] <Hash> \o/
[19:37] <Hash> I am confuse. What is happening!? :D
[19:37] <en11gma> if i install ubuntu (i want too) i dont want it to mess with my tpm2.0 (firmware) secure boot windows 11
[19:37] <Hash> You won't have to.
[19:37] <en11gma> what is happening im trying to stop from what has happened many times in the past
[19:38] <tomreyn> you can disable (S)ATA device at address 2:00 using linux kernel command line  libata.force=2.00:disable
[19:38] <tomreyn> i assume similar is possible for nvme devices
[19:38] <en11gma> so usually i just disconnect my drive sata cable but now its screwed down with a heatsink in a bad spot.
[19:38] <en11gma> pull my gpu just to install and run ubuntu i really dont want to do that each time
[19:39] <en11gma> pull gpu to get to the nvme m.2 to pull it each time...i dont want that
[19:39] <en11gma> so i just run a live usb (daily) usually
[19:39] <Hash> can you disable it in efi settings?
[19:40] <tomreyn> do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:40] <en11gma> i think i tried on my x570 board but it didnt do anything. i have tried on this b660 board
[19:40] <en11gma> think i will investigate that now
[19:40] <Hash> Try and find out.
[19:40] <Hash> Install ubuntu and we'll help.
[19:40] <Intelo> I have nvim 0.6 via snap. I want nvim edge 0.8. Whats the best way to do it? can there be a simple upgrade?
[19:40] <Hash> Can't really debug problems that have not yet happened.
[19:40] <en11gma> my support question is how to disable ubuntu from messing with my windows partition
[19:41] <en11gma> grub fights for this stuff
[19:41] <en11gma> grub is part of ubuntu
[19:41] <Hash> I understand that.
[19:41] <en11gma> i think its within grub but im not too smart
[19:41] <jhutchins> en11gma: If you already know the answers, why are you asking here?
[19:42] <en11gma> omg what happened to this channnel? it wasnt like this on freenode.
[19:42] <Hash> same as always
[19:42] <en11gma> im actually asking a good question
[19:42] <Hash> Just trying to figure out how to help you
[19:42] <sarnold> Intelo: maybe snap switch followed by snap refresh?
[19:42] <en11gma> ppl dont know the answer so they start all this crap
[19:42] <Hash> I'm AFK for the day mostly. <3
[19:42] <en11gma> i dont know the answer but im pretty sure its putting a freeze on some packages so they cant update
[19:43] <en11gma> or run update grub maybe. idk
[19:43] <Intelo> sarnold complete command?
[19:43] <sarnold> Intelo: something like snap switch --channel=edge nvim
[19:45] <Intelo> sarnold the install command is sudo snap install nvim --edge --classic
[19:45] <Intelo> I did ` sudo snap switch --classic=edge nvim`
[19:45] <Intelo> it says error: unknown flag `classic'
[19:45] <en11gma> ill try and do some research. really dont want to pull that nvme m.2 maybe i will just make my other computer dedicated or just practice on it. thats a good idea. i might use it as a practice computer for a computer with sata 2.5" hdd (windows) and a usb ubuntu install
[19:45] <en11gma> so when it does happen i will be able to pin point it
[19:46] <en11gma> ok bbaib with info peeps. thanks for the help and ideas
[19:46] <Intelo> sarnold https://snapcraft.io/nvim
[19:47] <sarnold> Intelo: --channel=edge not --classic=edge
[19:47] <thingfish> en11gma: why is it so bad that Ubuntu/GRUB takes over the bootloader -- I mean you can still boot Windows 11 fine, right?  I have to admit I kind of didn't like it at first, but then if it's not really inhibiting anything or causing issues, I figure might as well just go with the flow.
[19:48] <Intelo> sarnold that was very interesting and helpful. thanks!
[19:48] <sarnold> :D
[19:48] <cbreak> thingfish: I think the big problem with ubuntu is that it fails to install grub properly
[19:48] <ogra> sarnold, Intelo, just sap refresh --edge nvim --classic will do it ...
[19:48] <thingfish> it does?
[19:48] <ogra> *snap
[19:48] <cbreak> imagine you install ubuntu
[19:48] <ogra> there is no need for a separate "switch"
[19:48] <cbreak> then you try to boot ubuntu, after removing some other random, unrelated SSD (with windows on it, for example)
[19:49] <cbreak> it won't boot
[19:49] <sarnold> ogra: oh nice
[19:49] <thingfish> ah
[19:49] <ogra> (switch is for the case you have both on disk already)
[19:49] <tomreyn> for EFI booting systems, Ubuntu/GRUB does not 'take over the bootloader' - it installs one, on the partition set up for this purpose, possibly next to others also installed there.
[19:49] <sarnold> ogra: both on disk already? whaaaaa
[19:50] <cbreak> there's a way to tell the ubuntu installer which EFI partition to use
[19:50] <ogra> sarnold, well, the stable version is still there so if they want to switch back its a simple snap switch ...
[19:50] <cbreak> and the ubuntu installer will proceed to promptly and silently ignore that request and install it where ever the fuck it wants anyway
[19:50] <ogra> without extra download or anything
[19:51] <sarnold> ogra: oh okay that's interesting. not at all what I expected.
[19:51] <cbreak> tomreyn: the problem is that ubuntu doesn't install the bootloader on the partition set up for this purpose
[19:51] <cbreak> it sets up the bootloader on some partition it thinks is set up for that purpose
[19:52] <cbreak> I don't know if 22.04 is still broken.
[19:52] <tomreyn> cbreak: The first EFI system partition it finds, like any other OS, I guess. that's not wrong. Just the UI is wrong about providing a choice when there is none.
[19:53] <sarnold> hopefully the installer rewrite removed all that
[19:53] <cbreak> tomreyn: that's wrong though.
[19:53] <cbreak> it should install it on the efi partition of the disk / disks it is installed on
[19:53] <ogra> sarnold, yeah, in 24.04 😛 (we still have ubiquity on the disks)
[19:54] <cbreak> because obviously ubuntu will break and fail to boot otherwise, when the unrelated disk is removed
[19:54] <tomreyn> cbreak: that's not how UEFI booting works
[19:54] <cbreak> it is.
[19:55] <en11gma> only do i get this info when i say i was setting up a system to find out what is causing it or at least when it happens
[19:55] <cbreak> I can uefi boot from three separate EFI partitions just fine.
[19:55] <cbreak> one of them on some random SSD with windows, containing the windows bootloader
[19:55] <cbreak> one of them on some nvme ssd containing Mac OS with OpenCore and refind
[19:55] <cbreak> and one of them with ubuntu and grub
[19:55] <en11gma> yep that is exactly what "I" was describing but it seems you are helping him and not me and you waited for me to say i was going to find out what is causing it
[19:56] <cbreak> efibootmgr can chose which bootloader to use, and so can refind
[19:56] <en11gma> i wish my uefi would let me disable any drive i want
[19:56] <cbreak> it's possible to copy boot loaders onto other EFI partitions too, for redundancy
[19:56] <en11gma> so i didnt have to do it manually
[19:57] <cbreak> en11gma: disable a drive for what purpose?
[19:57] <GSMarquis> Im pretty inpressed with 22.04.
[19:57] <en11gma> too keep both drives 100% independint
[19:58] <cbreak> you can mv the ubuntu bootloader onto the correct efi partition
[19:58] <ogra> GSMarquis, 👍
[19:58] <cbreak> but it's better to adjust the mount entry for the efi partition in ubuntu itself
[19:58] <en11gma> cbreak but what happens each time grub is updated
[19:58] <cbreak> and rerun update-grub
[19:58] <en11gma> or even in with windows partition manager is updated
[19:58] <sarnold> ogra: awww, I thought we had a new installer for 22.04 :(
[19:58] <cbreak> check out your /etc/fstab
[19:58] <en11gma> they fight for control when there are updates
[19:59] <ogra> sarnold, sadly not ready (if you mean the flutter/curtin thing)
[19:59] <sarnold> ogra: yeah, that's the one
[19:59] <cbreak> you should have an entry for /boot/efi, which you can change to the correct partition
[20:00] <tomreyn> cbreak: sorry, my latest statement is surely debatable. but in most setups, and those targeted by most uefi firmwares i've seen, those will just look for one boot loaders on the first ESP they find, as well as, sometimes, also those configured via efi boot variables.
[20:00] <en11gma> im gonna practice on my spare computer :)
[20:00] <en11gma> im leaving my good computer with no linux distro anywhere close to it. well maybe usb live of course
[20:00] <cbreak> tomreyn: all I've dealt with (not that many... but still several) can be configured to boot via efibootmgr to boot from where ever
[20:01] <tomreyn> cbreak: nice.
[20:01] <cbreak> and if you select the boot chooser, they usually let you chose different boot loaders too (from those entries)
[20:01] <en11gma> cbreak but your talking about a system thats up and running. when things go bad and you want to boot into windows and you cant and you have formatted ubuntu then what?
[20:01] <cbreak> en11gma: ?
[20:01] <en11gma> use a live usb to repair somehow?
[20:02] <en11gma> when things go bad with the partitions its not a working system at that point
[20:02] <cbreak> when things go bad, it's too late.
[20:02] <en11gma> you cant just login to ubuntu and fix things like that
[20:02] <en11gma> yea thats what im talking about :)
[20:02] <cbreak> but obviously you should set up your system correctly from the start
[20:02] <cbreak> it's too bad ubuntu's installer doesn't do that :(
[20:02] <ogra> it will
[20:02] <en11gma> in the end you are just trying to rescue your data. not easy on systems with tpm and secure boot enabled
[20:03] <cbreak> and most people probably don't realize
[20:03] <cbreak> en11gma: I'd disable that always
[20:03] <cbreak> secure boot is annoying
[20:03] <ogra> it is just that the current installer is more tan a decade old 🙂
[20:03] <en11gma> windows 11 wont even install without it
[20:03] <ogra> and the new installer was not ready
[20:03] <cbreak> people use win11? :O
[20:03] <en11gma> windows 10 can have mbr but windows 11 wont. gpt and no compatability mode
[20:03] <en11gma> yea gamers do
[20:04] <en11gma> i game too
[20:04] <thingfish> sometimes you have to buy a new computer, cbreak.  And guess what comes installed on it.
[20:04] <ogra> secure boot is important and often a requirement in corparate environments ... especially for laptops
[20:04] <ogra> *corporate
[20:04] <cbreak> thingfish: macos :P
[20:04] <thingfish> heh no thanks
[20:04] <en11gma> its a requirement right now if you want to even install it
[20:04] <cbreak> does it work if you turn secureboot off after installing that win11?
[20:05] <cbreak> I think ubuntu supports secureboot somehow, but I never tried that...
[20:05] <en11gma> rufus when you select the windows 11 iso sets settings auto to gpt and no compatability mode. only secure boot
[20:05] <en11gma> i been using ubuntu with secure boot sometimes
[20:05] <cbreak> en11gma: I'd recommend against compat mode anyway
[20:05] <cbreak> gpt all the way
[20:05] <thingfish> yes Ubuntu supports Secure Boot, thank goodness.
[20:05] <en11gma> just has to be formatted gpt
[20:05] <ogra> cbreak, it surely does, nearly all enterprise customers have it as a hard req.
[20:05] <en11gma> not formatted with gpt but the partition has to be gpt
[20:06] <ogra> ???
[20:06] <en11gma> yea i love gpt. been using it for years
[20:06] <ogra> gpt is a partition table format ...
[20:06] <en11gma> yep and it dont get your drives mixed up with the namings
[20:06] <ogra> if the disk uses a GPT table the partitions indeed have to be GPT to
[20:06] <en11gma> mbr used to do that sometimes
[20:06] <ogra> there is no such thng like a GPT partition in an MSDOS table
[20:07] <en11gma> gpt dont have them root kits like mbr used to have too (i think)
[20:07] <cbreak> I've never really used MBR voluntarily... maybe because I've come from MacOS, which used GPT format for ages
[20:07] <cbreak> en11gma: ... unrelated
[20:07] <en11gma> just saying gpt is better
[20:07] <en11gma> for alot of reasons
[20:09]  * ogra disagrees but admits that GPT is better for PC installs
[20:09] <cbreak> to me, requiring secure boot seems a bit pointless. Like requiring chaning of passwords every 60 days, or requiring at most 16 characters in a password.
[20:10] <en11gma> i dont even think about the reason about secure boot. all i know is i have to use it as im forced if i want to use the latest os for gaming which is windows 11
[20:10] <ogra> well, people want full disk encryption ... the only way to do that absolutely securely is to have SB as well and a completer secure chin fo trust from power-on
[20:10] <en11gma> so i have to use it as there is no option
[20:10] <en11gma> i dont use bit locker
[20:10] <cbreak> if you actually want to have a more secure install, then do something like use full disk encryption, or regular automatic security updates, or disabling non-essential listening sockets. All defend against much more realistic attack models
[20:10] <ogra> *geez ... "chain of trust"
[20:11] <en11gma> i agree but winbloze is making ya do it now. thanks billy
[20:11] <thingfish> en11gma: don't discount Linux as a gaming platform.  With Steam's Proton, the old days of game incompatibility are largely over.
[20:11] <cbreak> en11gma: gaming on linux works ok...
[20:11] <cbreak> I only boot to MacOS for WoW, and I think I could get that to run on linux too
[20:11] <cbreak> Master Duel works already, so main addition satisfied :P
[20:11] <en11gma> ive been gaming off and on with wine and have tested proton but only one thing will bring linux up to date and that is cloud gaming
[20:11] <ogra> easily ... just less performant
[20:12] <en11gma> cloud gaming is awesome if you have the connection for it
[20:12] <thingfish> I'm not much of a gamer, but I play Dark Souls III and Witcher 3 just fine on Linux.
[20:12] <cbreak> ogra: I read that That new elden ring game works better on proton than native win
[20:12] <cbreak> (I haven't tried it though)
[20:12] <ogra> hah
[20:12] <en11gma> cloud gaming FTW
[20:12] <thingfish> that is supposedly true for not just a few titles, from what I've heard.
[20:12] <en11gma> i play xbox games on my android phone but i have to have an xbox controller bluetoothed
[20:12] <cbreak> (apparently valve somehow hacked optimized shaders into proton to replace the original ones)
[20:13] <ogra> either way, seems we went really far offtopic for an ubuntu support channel
[20:13] <en11gma> streaming is pretty cool. they do have it working pretty damn good
[20:13] <en11gma> isnt that the truth
[20:13] <en11gma> back on topic
[20:15] <trevor> thingfish you play lichess :)
[20:16] <thingfish> trevor: no, I do not.
[20:22] <transhumanist> hi! I am trying to compile a custom ubuntu kernel with a custom /dev/binder with my own scratch code.  .... I find this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1329538/compiling-the-kernel-5-11-11 which indicated seems like its killing ubuntu keys, is this the right thing to do when I get the error i t shows in that link?
[20:24] <sarnold> transhumanist: another choice is creating keys for yourself; that's probably way more work
[20:27] <ogra> transhumanist, isnt /dev/binder obsolete since years ?
[20:28] <ogra> transhumanist, AFAIK modern kernels use binderfs ... to allow muliple instances to run and such
[20:29] <transhumanist> openssl req -x509 -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout certs/my-custom-ubuntu-cert.pem -out certs/mycustom-ubuntu-cert.pem -nodes -days 3650     and replacing this:   CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS="debian/canonical-certs.pem" with: this CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS="debian/mycustom-ubuntu-cert.pem"
[20:31] <transhumanist> ogra: I cant find good directions on mutiple binder instances and for some reason /dev/binder doesnt appear with ls -al | grep -i /dev/binder
[20:31] <ogra> yes, because it is dead and obsolete ...
[20:31] <ogra> google for binderfs ... 😉
[20:33] <ogra> transhumanist, https://brauner.github.io/2019/01/09/android-binderfs.html
[20:33] <ogra> first hit
[20:33] <transhumanist> ogra I assume that means that I have to change Anbox so that it used binderfs instead of binder ?
[20:33] <transhumanist> or is it a drop in replacement
[20:33] <ogra> i think it does that since binderfs exists
[20:34] <ogra> transhumanist, https://github.com/anbox/anbox-modules/issues/20#issuecomment-570204411
[20:35] <ogra> and https://github.com/anbox/anbox/pull/1309
[20:35] <transhumanist> oh nice ogra! Gee I looked all over for that , what was your magic to find that ?
[20:36] <ogra> a google search "anbox binderfs" 🙂
[20:36] <ogra> (first hit is the blog post ... second is the issue ... which leads to the merge proposal
[20:36] <ogra> )
[20:37] <transhumanist> guess google doesnt like me :-(
[20:37] <ogra> transhumanist, i'D bet you need the version from --edge though
[20:37] <ogra> to have all these features
[20:39] <Realizer> transhumanist cyberman
[20:40] <Realizer> softlity brutex
[20:41] <tomreyn> Realizer: please stay on topic. ubuntu support.
[20:42] <Realizer> availible and off same
[20:42] <Realizer> pidgin samiliar chat
[20:43] <Realizer> XChat for special easy
[20:57] <amr> How I enable spelling checker for System-wide Ubuntu ?
[20:59] <tomreyn> amr: i do not think such exists. there are application specific spell checkers / integrations of spell checking libraries and tools.
[21:00] <tomreyn> amr: but you can open Settings and access Region & Language, then click on "Manage Installed Languages" and it should warn you if general spell checking support is not installed, yet
[21:01] <amr> OK
[21:44] <en11gma> i was in here earlier talking about my windows 11 secure boot drive (500GB sata hdd). i was going to install ubuntu 22.04 amd64 Desktop to a seperate usb stick not to interfere with windows 11 boot manager etc... anyhow i made 2 partitions on the 500GB drive. a 90GB for ubuntu and a 10GB for swap. is there any certain way i need to install this when it asks me? do i pick along side or do i
[21:44] <en11gma> need to do a custom and pick / and /swap and where to put grub?
[21:45] <en11gma> i think im just going to go for it and install next to windows on same drive
[22:16] <nshire> hm I seem to be stuck on 21.10
[22:17] <nshire> I did do-release-upgrade from 20.04 lts and assumed it would put me on 22.04.
[22:17] <nshire> how do I upgrade now?
[22:17] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade -d
[22:20] <nshire> so it's still technically a development release?
[22:20] <nshire> until july I suppose
[22:20] <cbreak> nshire: for lts it is
[22:20] <sarnold> no, just that the known bugs are enough to make us wait a bit before making the upgrade easy
[22:20] <cbreak> for non-lts it's available for upgrade
[22:21] <nshire> hm might stick on 21.10 for a bit I suppose
[22:23] <nshire> well I hit Y by accident so 22.04 here I come
[22:23] <kryten> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release - until it's listed at the bottom here, the upgrade isn't available to anyone yet.
[22:25] <cbreak> I'll be waiting until other people discovered all the new bugs with zfs integration :)
[22:25] <nshire> it doesn't force zfs does it?
[22:25] <cbreak> no, but I use zfs and like it
[22:26] <cbreak> and 21.10 made waiting until they fixed the bugs quite a good decision
[22:26] <cbreak> so... I'll wait again
[22:26] <nshire> oh no the ubuntu website is using that livechat feature
[22:30] <CykloTronic86> anyone experience no image on monitor when trying to load ubuntu 22.04 live usb. I can't find any mention about it online whatsoever and it's making me think I'm the only one ever to experience this. Display port connection 3440x1440 display connected to a gtx 1050ti. I've never experienced it before, neither newer (like manjaro) or older kernels.
[22:30] <CykloTronic86> my screen just get stuck in a loop of turning on and off
[22:31] <cbreak> CykloTronic86: can you switch to a different tty?
[22:31] <cbreak> with ctrl-alt-F2 or similar
[22:32] <cbreak> and then log in / run dmesg / journalctl?
[22:32] <cbreak> maybe you can find something in the logs
[22:32] <CykloTronic86> why the hell didn't I think of that myself...
[22:32] <cbreak> booting without quiet might also show something interesting
[22:32] <jStefan> CykloTronic86, do you know if you are using the nvidia proprietary driver or open source? have you tried a different cable, like hdmi?
[22:33] <jStefan> nevermind, live usb, so probably open source
[22:34] <jStefan> ...you could try safe mode graphics
[22:35] <mario_7> Hello. Where can I find Jammy Jellyfish artwork files - mascot svg file in particular?
[22:49] <nshire> I hit 'd' to see the details of what packages are going tobe removed and I can't exit the screen
[22:49] <nshire> esc and enter aren't workign
[22:50] <nshire> oh looks like it's using `less` so q worked
[23:17] <tomreyn> mario_7: not really a support question, but probably somewhere over here: https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ (please watch out about licensing, trademark and copyright)
[23:20] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/all/ubuntu-wallpapers-jammy/filelist
[23:32] <NeNe> buenas
[23:32] <NeNe> alguien que me de una mano!?
[23:33] <ravage> !es | NeNe
[23:34] <mario_7> tomreyn nice try but this is not it - I cannot find the mascot file there
[23:35] <ravage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official stopped updating in 2017. im not sure there are any up to date mascot files
[23:35] <mario_7> in the past there were posts with wallpapers and mascot graphic files on discourse, like here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/official-artwork-downloads-for-impish-indri/24291
[23:35] <mario_7> but unfortunately not for current release
[23:36] <leftyfb> mario_7: the default wallpaper is in /usr/share/backgrounds/
[23:37] <jhutchins> mario_7: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-22-04-wallpaper-competition-winners/27260
[23:38] <mario_7> still - no mascot there
[23:38] <leftyfb> mario_7: /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[23:38] <mario_7> the best I could find is here: https://ubuntu.com/blog/design-and-web-team-summary-25-march-2022 - webp image with lets say "clean" mascot
[23:39] <mario_7> yet the svg would be a lot more useful
[23:39] <leftyfb> mario_7: there's no svg as part of the files in ubuntu
[23:40] <mario_7> I know, they used to be posted somewhere on the internet, but it seems not this time.
[23:40] <leftyfb> mario_7: that's not an ubuntu support question
[23:41] <leftyfb> mario_7: feel free to contact https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Artwork
[23:42] <jhutchins> mario_7: Find one you like and convert it.  You might have to lift a finger.
[23:42] <mario_7> I'll try, I tried on different irc channels like ubuntu-design or ubuntu-artwork, but looks like there is no one to answer questions ;)
[23:43] <leftyfb> good luck
[23:44] <jStefan> mario_7, you may have to linger on the channel for a while before you get a response.
[23:47] <ogra> mario_7, you should ope a post on discourse.ubuntu.com in the Desktop category asking for it, i'm sure there are more people interested in doing modifications and over ther you will defnitly find the right people to give yu the files too ..
[23:49] <mario_7> I was hoping someone here has those files. But maybe that's the plan - will try to ask on discourse, but I'd rather do it later as it's almost 2 AM here. thanks!
[23:51] <sarnold> if you ask now, you might find an answer when you return
[23:51] <sarnold> (probably not, but you never know :)
[23:52] <morganu> I have 20.04 and I want the latest python or at least 3.10.4 - how do I see what I have now? - if needed how do I install it?  And what does <sudo apt -y upgrade> do?
[23:52] <leftyfb> morganu: apt-cache policy python3
[23:53] <morganu> what does that do leftyfb ?
[23:53] <leftyfb> morganu: "apt upgrade" upgrades packages on your system
[23:53] <leftyfb> morganu: apt-cache policy will tell you the latest versions available
[23:53] <morganu> so how do I tell which python I have?  and the command python doesnt help. it asked me if I want something in a deb file
[23:54] <morganu> I dont know how to use deb files
[23:54] <leftyfb> morganu: apt-cache policy python3
[23:54] <leftyfb> morganu: that will tell you what version you have installed
[23:55] <morganu> OK I have 2.8.2 and the book I want to learn from has a newer version that I would like to install. How can I?
[23:55] <morganu> sorry 3.8.2
[23:55] <morganu> I want2.10.4
[23:56] <tomreyn> that looks lower
[23:56] <morganu> sorry again I want 3.10.4
[23:56] <leftyfb> you will probably be fine with 3.8
[23:56] <sarnold> you could upgrade to 22.04, that has 3.10.4
[23:56] <tomreyn> you can upgrade to a newer ubuntu release, or run the version of your choice in a container
[23:56] <morganu> but I do want to know how and I am told dont bother, little one. OD then. I will settle.
[23:56] <leftyfb> morganu: I can guarantee you a booking teaching python isn't going to require anything that 3.8 doesn't have
[23:57] <morganu> Good my aim here is the Python not the ubuntu