| daftykins | mmm, feel bad for the waste but eh... | 00:02 |
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| penguin42 | after 9 years? | 00:04 |
| daftykins | yeah i quite like repair, just my skills don't match the desire :D | 00:04 |
| daftykins | though i didn't even make time to take the PCBs out on this one | 00:04 |
| penguin42 | for wet stuff, not as enthusiastic | 00:05 |
| daftykins | yeah, i had been in already and sort of propped it up a bit longer from what seemed like a loose connection, but once it started being inconsistent and wasting tablets, no good | 00:06 |
| penguin42 | often water getting in | 00:06 |
| daftykins | done pretty well on the other appliances - washing machine/dryer combo, that sucker had a bad thermistor so would flag a temperature error on drying, cheap fix | 00:09 |
| daftykins | and the electric oven has had a bad thermostat and then blown element in my 9 years here | 00:09 |
| penguin42 | hmm | 00:09 |
| daftykins | espares.co.uk was to the rescue on all 3 parts there | 00:10 |
| penguin42 | I replaced the belt on the tumble drier last year, and we did the hinges on the oven door last year | 00:10 |
| penguin42 | yeh espares is good | 00:10 |
| penguin42 | I think I replaced the element once, but then I tried one and the connector crumbled so we asked the pros to come out and fix the wiring harness | 00:11 |
| daftykins | ooh | 00:11 |
| penguin42 | (who left my bodged heat shrink on that I put in) | 00:11 |
| daftykins | clearly they had faith in it! | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | I'm glad they did | 00:13 |
| davef | I'm going to treat myself to a new dishwasher when I move. | 02:22 |
| zxmpi | will it run linux? :-P | 07:37 |
| ball | Mornin' | 13:35 |
| * penguin42 bounces ball | 13:36 | |
| * ball waits patiently for the desktop .iso to download | 13:54 | |
| davef | zxmpi: freebsd | 14:07 |
| ball | davef: More of a NetBSD man, myself. | 14:19 |
| davef | savage | 14:20 |
| davef | :) | 14:20 |
| davef | Then again, NetBSD does run on toasters | 14:21 |
| davef | https://www.instructables.com/IronForge-the-NetBSD-Toaster/ | 14:21 |
| ball | Internet of Toast | 14:23 |
| ball | I'll be back shortly... | 14:25 |
| ball | I should go and get an oil change, I suppose. | 14:58 |
| zxmpi | wow, we're so close to talkie toaster :-D | 16:12 |
| penguin42 | talkie toaster? | 17:04 |
| davef | Talkie's the name, Toasting's the game. Would you like some toast? | 17:04 |
| ball | I think I need faster computers. | 17:04 |
| zxmpi | can i interest you in a muffin? | 17:05 |
| davef | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec | 17:05 |
| ball | I just went away and made myself lunch when the wallpaper appeard and the spinny thing is still spinning. | 17:05 |
| penguin42 | you wouldn't toast a muffin would you? | 17:05 |
| zxmpi | ah, you're a waffle man! | 17:05 |
| ball | penguin42: English muffin or an American naked cupcake? | 17:06 |
| davef | Howdly doodly doo! | 17:06 |
| penguin42 | ball: Hang on, anything called an English Muffin is neither English now a muffin | 17:06 |
| ball | penguin42: Fake Welshcake? :-) | 17:07 |
| penguin42 | misshapen crumpet? | 17:07 |
| ball | Damn. Now I'm craving a Welshcake. | 17:07 |
| ball | Crumpets are quite different. | 17:07 |
| * ball turns back to his bowl of rice. | 17:14 | |
| penguin42 | hmm welshcakes do look nice | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | never had one | 17:14 |
| ball | :-9 | 17:15 |
| ball | I don't think Ubuntu is going to work on this, though it's close. Perhaps if I run it on the console. | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | what's it doing? | 17:18 |
| ball | Spinning, mostly. The (text) console is filled with "Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1"." | 17:19 |
| ball | ...but that's because I'm running it on a desktop that's served up by VNC | 17:19 |
| ball | Might have more luck if I ran it on a qemu vnc screen but I imagine that would also lack XInputExtension | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | ball: Connecting to qemu with vnc is something the guest doesn't realise | 17:22 |
| ball | Ah true, qemu emulates something-or-other | 17:22 |
| penguin42 | yeh probably virtio-gpu or qxl these days, or cirrus if being crude | 17:23 |
| ball | That's on my list of things to figure out. | 17:23 |
| ball | ...but the certificate thing feels complicated. | 17:23 |
| penguin42 | certificate thing? | 17:24 |
| ball | Instead of sending passwords over the wire unencrypted you can use certificate-based authentication with VNC | 17:24 |
| ball | I'm told qemu supports that. | 17:24 |
| penguin42 | oh, yeh | 17:25 |
| ball | ...but even traditional unencrypted VNC is a bit awkward with qemu in that I don't think I get to control the size of the virtual framebuffer. | 17:27 |
| ball | (which would be handy for thin clients, multiple windows on a desktop computer etc.) | 17:27 |
| ball | That's a qemu limitation I think, nothing to do with Ubuntu | 17:28 |
| ball | I sort of want to try this VM again on the physical console but that means moving a monitor. | 17:28 |
| ball | (or moving a computer) | 17:29 |
| penguin42 | the guest can set the resolution | 17:29 |
| daftykins | i added xrdp to a 'buntu VM on a remote hypervisor host (XCP-ng) and can then RDP to it using Windows' client for a conveniently adjustable resolution experience | 17:29 |
| ball | daftykins: That's a though. | 17:31 |
| ball | thought* | 17:31 |
| ball | penguin42: Not if you can't get it installed ;-) | 17:31 |
| ball | daftykins: Also a protocol widely supported by thin clients. | 17:31 |
| daftykins | something i find interesting is that when RDP'd in, it won't let me do things like change network-manager config without authenticating an extra time | 17:32 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: That's probably because you're not starting an authenticated session? | 17:32 |
| daftykins | how do you mean? i enter user+pass at a login prompt over the RDP session | 17:33 |
| penguin42 | hmm or is it that it's not on the console then? | 17:34 |
| * penguin42 doesn't know which thing the nm stuff is connected to | 17:34 | |
| ball | I had to kill the VM because it captured focus and the mouse driver didn't work at all. | 17:34 |
| ball | Need to work on my qemu skills. | 17:34 |
| daftykins | could be, if i have to hop network profiles for a NIC i usually have to drop out and then use the console access provided by my hypervisor choice (a web UI known as Xen Orchestra in this instance) | 17:34 |
| ball | daftykins: Is that from Citrix? | 17:35 |
| daftykins | close, XCP-ng is an open source fork by a French developer team called Vates | 17:35 |
| daftykins | really ace project | 17:35 |
| daftykins | you can pay for support but also just compile it all from source and run it for free for testing / home lab - i've found it plenty reliable enough for small-scale production use | 17:36 |
| daftykins | if my old College can't make use of another spare server i have, i could run it and hold a basic Linux intro course perhaps :D | 17:37 |
| ball | I should take one of those. I seldom use Linux | 17:37 |
| ball | I'll give up on this until I can conveniently get to the other computer. | 17:38 |
| ball | (where the VM's actually running) | 17:38 |
| ball | (...or would be if I hadn't killed it) | 17:38 |
| daftykins | depending on what you are aiming to achieve, XCP-ng might be a fit | 17:38 |
| ball | Does that run on bare metal or does it need an OS underneath (dom0?) | 17:40 |
| ball | (not sure whether it's related to the other Xen I've seen) | 17:41 |
| daftykins | bare, it's a hypervisor OS so it is a fully self-contained dom0, then you deploy a management VM to run the Xen Orchestra interface | 17:41 |
| ball | That sounds quite nice. | 17:42 |
| daftykins | there's a bit of an egg and chicken situation so one approach is you can even download a guy's prepared debian VM to act as the management one - https://github.com/ronivay/XenOrchestraInstallerUpdater | 17:42 |
| daftykins | i use his build scripts to configure a vanilla 'buntu server (20.04 so far) as the one for management on my hosts to date | 17:43 |
| daftykins | XO has brilliant VM backup features built-in as well | 17:43 |
| ball | Alright. I'll go for a walk and thing about my options. | 17:43 |
| ball | Thanks for the suggestion! | 17:44 |
| daftykins | np - if it's for thin clients i have no idea what the best approach would be, i mostly run services on server VMs that staff VPN into the premises and then access via browser | 17:44 |
| * ball nods | 17:44 | |
| davef | Oh dear, I just found my P45 from when I left the UK. | 18:24 |
| davef | And looking back at what I used to be paid compared to now. I've done well. | 18:24 |
| ball | Alright, let's try this again on the physical console. | 19:23 |
| ball | Hmm... kernel panic. | 19:25 |
| ball | Aha! Getting further this time. | 19:26 |
| ball | (changed -display options) | 19:26 |
| ball | It works! | 21:08 |
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