[00:02] mmm, feel bad for the waste but eh... [00:04] after 9 years? [00:04] yeah i quite like repair, just my skills don't match the desire :D [00:04] though i didn't even make time to take the PCBs out on this one [00:05] for wet stuff, not as enthusiastic [00:06] yeah, i had been in already and sort of propped it up a bit longer from what seemed like a loose connection, but once it started being inconsistent and wasting tablets, no good [00:06] often water getting in [00:09] done pretty well on the other appliances - washing machine/dryer combo, that sucker had a bad thermistor so would flag a temperature error on drying, cheap fix [00:09] and the electric oven has had a bad thermostat and then blown element in my 9 years here [00:09] hmm [00:10] espares.co.uk was to the rescue on all 3 parts there [00:10] I replaced the belt on the tumble drier last year, and we did the hinges on the oven door last year [00:10] yeh espares is good [00:11] I think I replaced the element once, but then I tried one and the connector crumbled so we asked the pros to come out and fix the wiring harness [00:11] ooh [00:11] (who left my bodged heat shrink on that I put in) [00:13] clearly they had faith in it! [00:13] I'm glad they did [02:22] I'm going to treat myself to a new dishwasher when I move. [07:37] will it run linux? :-P [13:35] Mornin' [13:36] * penguin42 bounces ball [13:54] * ball waits patiently for the desktop .iso to download [14:07] zxmpi: freebsd [14:19] davef: More of a NetBSD man, myself. [14:20] savage [14:20] :) [14:21] Then again, NetBSD does run on toasters [14:21] https://www.instructables.com/IronForge-the-NetBSD-Toaster/ [14:23] Internet of Toast [14:25] I'll be back shortly... [14:58] I should go and get an oil change, I suppose. [16:12] wow, we're so close to talkie toaster :-D [17:04] talkie toaster? [17:04] Talkie's the name, Toasting's the game. Would you like some toast? [17:04] I think I need faster computers. [17:05] can i interest you in a muffin? [17:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec [17:05] I just went away and made myself lunch when the wallpaper appeard and the spinny thing is still spinning. [17:05] you wouldn't toast a muffin would you? [17:05] ah, you're a waffle man! [17:06] penguin42: English muffin or an American naked cupcake? [17:06] Howdly doodly doo! [17:06] ball: Hang on, anything called an English Muffin is neither English now a muffin [17:07] penguin42: Fake Welshcake? :-) [17:07] misshapen crumpet? [17:07] Damn. Now I'm craving a Welshcake. [17:07] Crumpets are quite different. [17:14] * ball turns back to his bowl of rice. [17:14] hmm welshcakes do look nice [17:14] never had one [17:15] :-9 [17:18] I don't think Ubuntu is going to work on this, though it's close. Perhaps if I run it on the console. [17:18] what's it doing? [17:19] Spinning, mostly. The (text) console is filled with "Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1"." [17:19] ...but that's because I'm running it on a desktop that's served up by VNC [17:20] Might have more luck if I ran it on a qemu vnc screen but I imagine that would also lack XInputExtension [17:22] ball: Connecting to qemu with vnc is something the guest doesn't realise [17:22] Ah true, qemu emulates something-or-other [17:23] yeh probably virtio-gpu or qxl these days, or cirrus if being crude [17:23] That's on my list of things to figure out. [17:23] ...but the certificate thing feels complicated. [17:24] certificate thing? [17:24] Instead of sending passwords over the wire unencrypted you can use certificate-based authentication with VNC [17:24] I'm told qemu supports that. [17:25] oh, yeh [17:27] ...but even traditional unencrypted VNC is a bit awkward with qemu in that I don't think I get to control the size of the virtual framebuffer. [17:27] (which would be handy for thin clients, multiple windows on a desktop computer etc.) [17:28] That's a qemu limitation I think, nothing to do with Ubuntu [17:28] I sort of want to try this VM again on the physical console but that means moving a monitor. [17:29] (or moving a computer) [17:29] the guest can set the resolution [17:29] i added xrdp to a 'buntu VM on a remote hypervisor host (XCP-ng) and can then RDP to it using Windows' client for a conveniently adjustable resolution experience [17:31] daftykins: That's a though. [17:31] thought* [17:31] penguin42: Not if you can't get it installed ;-) [17:31] daftykins: Also a protocol widely supported by thin clients. [17:32] something i find interesting is that when RDP'd in, it won't let me do things like change network-manager config without authenticating an extra time [17:32] daftykins: That's probably because you're not starting an authenticated session? [17:33] how do you mean? i enter user+pass at a login prompt over the RDP session [17:34] hmm or is it that it's not on the console then? [17:34] * penguin42 doesn't know which thing the nm stuff is connected to [17:34] I had to kill the VM because it captured focus and the mouse driver didn't work at all. [17:34] Need to work on my qemu skills. [17:34] could be, if i have to hop network profiles for a NIC i usually have to drop out and then use the console access provided by my hypervisor choice (a web UI known as Xen Orchestra in this instance) [17:35] daftykins: Is that from Citrix? [17:35] close, XCP-ng is an open source fork by a French developer team called Vates [17:35] really ace project [17:36] you can pay for support but also just compile it all from source and run it for free for testing / home lab - i've found it plenty reliable enough for small-scale production use [17:37] if my old College can't make use of another spare server i have, i could run it and hold a basic Linux intro course perhaps :D [17:37] I should take one of those. I seldom use Linux [17:38] I'll give up on this until I can conveniently get to the other computer. [17:38] (where the VM's actually running) [17:38] (...or would be if I hadn't killed it) [17:38] depending on what you are aiming to achieve, XCP-ng might be a fit [17:40] Does that run on bare metal or does it need an OS underneath (dom0?) [17:41] (not sure whether it's related to the other Xen I've seen) [17:41] bare, it's a hypervisor OS so it is a fully self-contained dom0, then you deploy a management VM to run the Xen Orchestra interface [17:42] That sounds quite nice. [17:42] there's a bit of an egg and chicken situation so one approach is you can even download a guy's prepared debian VM to act as the management one - https://github.com/ronivay/XenOrchestraInstallerUpdater [17:43] i use his build scripts to configure a vanilla 'buntu server (20.04 so far) as the one for management on my hosts to date [17:43] XO has brilliant VM backup features built-in as well [17:43] Alright. I'll go for a walk and thing about my options. [17:44] Thanks for the suggestion! [17:44] np - if it's for thin clients i have no idea what the best approach would be, i mostly run services on server VMs that staff VPN into the premises and then access via browser [17:44] * ball nods [18:24] Oh dear, I just found my P45 from when I left the UK. [18:24] And looking back at what I used to be paid compared to now. I've done well. [19:23] Alright, let's try this again on the physical console. [19:25] Hmm... kernel panic. [19:26] Aha! Getting further this time. [19:26] (changed -display options) [21:08] It works!