[00:02] <daftykins> mmm, feel bad for the waste but eh...
[00:04] <penguin42> after 9 years?
[00:04] <daftykins> yeah i quite like repair, just my skills don't match the desire :D
[00:04] <daftykins> though i didn't even make time to take the PCBs out on this one
[00:05] <penguin42> for wet stuff, not as enthusiastic
[00:06] <daftykins> yeah, i had been in already and sort of propped it up a bit longer from what seemed like a loose connection, but once it started being inconsistent and wasting tablets, no good
[00:06] <penguin42> often water getting in
[00:09] <daftykins> done pretty well on the other appliances - washing machine/dryer combo, that sucker had a bad thermistor so would flag a temperature error on drying, cheap fix
[00:09] <daftykins> and the electric oven has had a bad thermostat and then blown element in my 9 years here
[00:09] <penguin42> hmm
[00:10] <daftykins> espares.co.uk was to the rescue on all 3 parts there
[00:10] <penguin42> I replaced the belt on the tumble drier last year, and we did the hinges on the oven door last year
[00:10] <penguin42> yeh espares is good
[00:11] <penguin42> I think I replaced the element once, but then I tried one and the connector crumbled so we asked the pros to come out and fix the wiring harness
[00:11] <daftykins> ooh
[00:11] <penguin42> (who left my bodged heat shrink on that I put in)
[00:13] <daftykins> clearly they had faith in it!
[00:13] <penguin42> I'm glad they did
[02:22] <davef> I'm going to treat myself to a new dishwasher when I move.
[07:37] <zxmpi> will it run linux? :-P
[13:35] <ball> Mornin'
[13:36]  * penguin42 bounces ball
[13:54]  * ball waits patiently for the desktop .iso to download
[14:07] <davef> zxmpi: freebsd
[14:19] <ball> davef: More of a NetBSD man, myself.
[14:20] <davef> savage 
[14:20] <davef> :)
[14:21] <davef> Then again, NetBSD does run on toasters
[14:21] <davef> https://www.instructables.com/IronForge-the-NetBSD-Toaster/
[14:23] <ball> Internet of Toast
[14:25] <ball> I'll be back shortly...
[14:58] <ball> I should go and get an oil change, I suppose.
[16:12] <zxmpi> wow, we're so close to talkie toaster :-D
[17:04] <penguin42> talkie toaster?
[17:04] <davef> Talkie's the name, Toasting's the game. Would you like some toast?
[17:04] <ball> I think I need faster computers.
[17:05] <zxmpi> can i interest you in a muffin?
[17:05] <davef> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec
[17:05] <ball> I just went away and made myself lunch when the wallpaper appeard and the spinny thing is still spinning.
[17:05] <penguin42> you wouldn't toast a muffin would you?
[17:05] <zxmpi> ah, you're a waffle man!
[17:06] <ball> penguin42: English muffin or an American naked cupcake?
[17:06] <davef> Howdly doodly doo!
[17:06] <penguin42> ball: Hang on, anything called an English Muffin is neither English now a muffin
[17:07] <ball> penguin42: Fake Welshcake? :-)
[17:07] <penguin42> misshapen crumpet?
[17:07] <ball> Damn. Now I'm craving a Welshcake.
[17:07] <ball> Crumpets are quite different.
[17:14]  * ball turns back to his bowl of rice.
[17:14] <penguin42> hmm welshcakes do look nice
[17:14] <penguin42> never had one
[17:15] <ball> :-9
[17:18] <ball> I don't think Ubuntu is going to work on this, though it's close.  Perhaps if I run it on the console.
[17:18] <penguin42> what's it doing?
[17:19] <ball> Spinning, mostly.  The (text) console is filled with "Xlib:  extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1"."
[17:19] <ball> ...but that's because I'm running it on a desktop that's served up by VNC
[17:20] <ball> Might have more luck if I ran it on a qemu vnc screen but I imagine that would also lack XInputExtension
[17:22] <penguin42> ball: Connecting to qemu with vnc is something the guest doesn't realise
[17:22] <ball> Ah true, qemu emulates something-or-other
[17:23] <penguin42> yeh probably virtio-gpu or qxl these days, or cirrus if being crude
[17:23] <ball> That's on my list of things to figure out.
[17:23] <ball> ...but the certificate thing feels complicated.
[17:24] <penguin42> certificate thing?
[17:24] <ball> Instead of sending passwords over the wire unencrypted you can use certificate-based authentication with VNC
[17:24] <ball> I'm told qemu supports that.
[17:25] <penguin42> oh, yeh
[17:27] <ball> ...but even traditional unencrypted VNC is a bit awkward with qemu in that I don't think I get to control the size of the virtual framebuffer.
[17:27] <ball> (which would be handy for thin clients, multiple windows on a desktop computer etc.)
[17:28] <ball> That's a qemu limitation I think, nothing to do with Ubuntu
[17:28] <ball> I sort of want to try this VM again on the physical console but that means moving a monitor.
[17:29] <ball> (or moving a computer)
[17:29] <penguin42> the guest can set the resolution
[17:29] <daftykins> i added xrdp to a 'buntu VM on a remote hypervisor host (XCP-ng) and can then RDP to it using Windows' client for a conveniently adjustable resolution experience
[17:31] <ball> daftykins: That's a though.
[17:31] <ball> thought*
[17:31] <ball> penguin42: Not if you can't get it installed ;-)
[17:31] <ball> daftykins: Also a protocol widely supported by thin clients.
[17:32] <daftykins> something i find interesting is that when RDP'd in, it won't let me do things like change network-manager config without authenticating an extra time
[17:32] <penguin42> daftykins: That's probably because you're not starting an authenticated session?
[17:33] <daftykins> how do you mean? i enter user+pass at a login prompt over the RDP session
[17:34] <penguin42> hmm or is it that it's not on the console then?
[17:34]  * penguin42 doesn't know which thing the nm stuff is connected to
[17:34] <ball> I had to kill the VM because it captured focus and the mouse driver didn't work at all.
[17:34] <ball> Need to work on my qemu skills.
[17:34] <daftykins> could be, if i have to hop network profiles for a NIC i usually have to drop out and then use the console access provided by my hypervisor choice (a web UI known as Xen Orchestra in this instance)
[17:35] <ball> daftykins: Is that from Citrix?
[17:35] <daftykins> close, XCP-ng is an open source fork by a French developer team called Vates
[17:35] <daftykins> really ace project
[17:36] <daftykins> you can pay for support but also just compile it all from source and run it for free for testing / home lab - i've found it plenty reliable enough for small-scale production use
[17:37] <daftykins> if my old College can't make use of another spare server i have, i could run it and hold a basic Linux intro course perhaps :D
[17:37] <ball> I should take one of those.  I seldom use Linux
[17:38] <ball> I'll give up on this until I can conveniently get to the other computer.
[17:38] <ball> (where the VM's actually running)
[17:38] <ball> (...or would be if I hadn't killed it)
[17:38] <daftykins> depending on what you are aiming to achieve, XCP-ng might be a fit
[17:40] <ball> Does that run on bare metal or does it need an OS underneath (dom0?)
[17:41] <ball> (not sure whether it's related to the other Xen I've seen)
[17:41] <daftykins> bare, it's a hypervisor OS so it is a fully self-contained dom0, then you deploy a management VM to run the Xen Orchestra interface
[17:42] <ball> That sounds quite nice.
[17:42] <daftykins> there's a bit of an egg and chicken situation so one approach is you can even download a guy's prepared debian VM to act as the management one - https://github.com/ronivay/XenOrchestraInstallerUpdater
[17:43] <daftykins> i use his build scripts to configure a vanilla 'buntu server (20.04 so far) as the one for management on my hosts to date
[17:43] <daftykins> XO has brilliant VM backup features built-in as well
[17:43] <ball> Alright.  I'll go for a walk and thing about my options.
[17:44] <ball> Thanks for the suggestion!
[17:44] <daftykins> np - if it's for thin clients i have no idea what the best approach would be, i mostly run services on server VMs that staff VPN into the premises and then access via browser
[17:44]  * ball nods
[18:24] <davef> Oh dear, I just found my P45 from when I left the UK.
[18:24] <davef> And looking back at what I used to be paid compared to now. I've done well.
[19:23] <ball> Alright, let's try this again on the physical console.
[19:25] <ball> Hmm... kernel panic.
[19:26] <ball> Aha!  Getting further this time.
[19:26] <ball> (changed -display options)
[21:08] <ball> It works!