[00:03] Im having a strange issue where I was able to play sound through the speakers on an HDMI monitor in an earlier version of Ubuntu but after upgrading to 22.04, I cant. [00:03] Any ideas? [00:04] most audio problems can be fixed with a bit of clicking around in pavucontrol [00:06] I don't have that package, but in the distros sound settings, I have Output Device set to HDMI/DisplayPort 2 - Built-in Audio, and when I click test there's no sound output from either speaker. This same configuration worked in Ubuntu 18.04. [00:07] blaster: does it work on the Ubuntu on Xorg session you can choose at login? [00:08] I'll try and report back. [00:13] There was no change when I tried xorg. [00:14] blaster: relogin back to xwayland then, and try the pavucontrol route [00:14] yeah, follow sarnold's scientific approach ... [00:15] my tubes, and wires, and careful notes! [00:16] 😄 [00:23] eye of ra [00:37] !alsa [00:37] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - https://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [00:38] hi ol.is there a reason why 18.04 withheld an upgrade after an apt upgrade ? [00:40] im planing to do manual install,but it might not remove as stated in the warning https://postimg.cc/gallery/8T5W4m9 [00:40] *might not REBOOT [00:41] midak: somehow, you've got one of the -unsigned- kernel packages installed; that's pretty unusual [00:42] so hmm,not good to continue then ? [00:43] it's probably fine to continue, but don't reboot right away.. [00:43] you should check that you've got a kernel package installed and configured to boot when you're done with this [00:44] how to check if there is a pre installed kernel package sir ? [00:45] what does unsigned means btw? [00:46] midak: dpkg -l 'linux*' | grep ^ii # make sure you've got a linux image package, a modules package, a modules-extra package, and a tools package [00:47] midak: our kernels are built from the kernel source package into the -unsigned- packages; once they are built, they are pulled apart, the kernel bootable files are signed, and then they are repacked into the 'usual' packages [00:47] midak: this is done so our secureboot signing keys aren't available to all the builders, but a very limited set of builders [00:49] linux image package :GOT 4 a modules package:GOT 3, a modules-extra package: 3, and a tools package: NONE [00:53] midak: alright; probably I only have tools for tracing, then :) [00:54] ok,ill proceed the manual install of the unsign kernel then :) [01:05] Oh look chat. [01:09] Hello [01:10] If I plug a hdmi monitor into a headless ubuntu machine (has desktop) will it generate a desktop or will it need restart? [01:13] Billy40: if the hdmi monitor is detected properly and works incombination with the graphics card / chipset then it should just start to work [01:14] ok. I'll give it a go. Thank you, tomreyn [01:14] that's assuming you have a full desktop installed and its services started [01:15] that's correct. i set it up using full desktop plugged into hdmi tv. then ran it headless. noticed I can't use vlc to log into the desktop without the hdmi signal === M4he is now known as mahe [01:16] do you mean vnc? [01:16] oops correct [01:16] when i ran it headless i can only ssh into it but not use vnc with no hdmi signal to tell it to generate desktop [01:17] so i got a 3 dollar hdmi 4k dongle dummy signal [01:17] that's odd [01:17] vnc doesn't work if the system starts up in headless [01:18] I had some issue with a recent python update and now I can't do anything with apt. Any ideas how to get around this? https://paste.sr.ht/~petersanchez/17bb90bcfb9e0341b563267b382041ed809d4e01 [01:18] even trying to uninstall Python tells me I have to run --fix-broken, which results in the above paste [01:20] Billy40: a monitor or dummy hdmi monitor should not be needed, there is xserver-xorg-video-dummy and you can just setup a virtual monitor with it. [01:21] there's also Xvfb, Xvnc [01:23] vnc headless raspberry pi same should apply virtual mode https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=245154 [01:30] Hi all! I get two results in app search for a certain app. [01:36] DumbLDoor: chances are one can be installed as a snap, the other through apt [01:38] pjs: you're using a python distribution from a PPA, an unsupported personal package archive. [01:38] tomreyn: One of the 2 does not launch. No apt package "brave", but there is a snap with that name. [01:38] the python packages which are part of ubuntu should not ever be replaced [01:39] pjs: that'd be worth filing a bug report with whoever runs that deadsnake ppa [01:39] DumbLDoor: i don't know then. if you have output or a screenshot you want to share, feel free. [01:40] tomreyn: 2 .desktop files ?? [01:41] tomreyn: this happened after upgrading to 22.04 / jellyfish. i was unable to launch the existing brave installation [01:41] DumbLDoor: I interpreted "app search" as a screen on the "Software" app [01:42] tomreyn: Yea, dpkg -P purged it all. Then reinstalled and it was fine. [01:42] sarnold: seems it's fixed now [01:42] tomreyn: windows screen button - top search bar [01:42] sometimes when I wake my laptop up from sleep, my external monitor doesn't wake. I have to exit X and restart it to get it to work again. This is fairly new issue. Anyone ever notice that? I've tried ctrl+alt+FX and back, no luck [01:44] DumbLDoor: ls -l ~/.local/share/applications/ would show desktop files placed in your home directory. maybe you have an outdated / broken one there. [01:45] tomreyn: no .desktop for brave, a bunch for chrome, others [01:46] ok [01:47] I'm trying to install Xubuntu 22.04 with a manual partition setup in which I encrypted my root. I have an EFI partition specified, but it won't let me set it as the mountpoint for /boot, and it's complaining about a lack of an unencrypted place to put /boot. How do I set this up? [01:47] I'm doing a manual partition setup because I have a SSD for / and a HDD for /home [01:49] install to the ssd, then boot to recovery, mount the root file system writable and update /etc/fstab to point /home to your hdd [01:49] AHemlocksLie: the EFI partition is usually something like a 512M FAT filesystem; it's not supposed to be used for /boot, it's usually mounted at /boot/efi [01:50] sarnold, is there a minimum size I need for /boot, then? [01:51] It sounds like I need the EFI *and* a /boot, plus my respective encrypted partitions [01:51] AHemlocksLie: I think the default /boot is 512M, but I wish it were more like 1024M -- dealing with a full /boot is a pain in the butt and I'd be happy to never do that again :) [01:51] yes [01:53] it is possible to have /boot encrpyted, too, but that's complex to setup and maintain. for the average user it's probably not worth the hassle. [01:53] ...until some advanced linux distro improves its management [01:54] Cool, I can spare a gig. Thanks! [02:02] tomreyn: fixed /usr/share/applications had one that was causing issue. I removed it and all is well now. [02:22] hey, so I've got Ubuntu 20.04 on an Oracle Cloud VM (one of the ARM64 ones), and I'm wanting to jump on over to 22.04. I did apt update/upgrade/dist-upgrade to ensure everything is up to date, but do-release-upgrade doesn't find any new LTS release at all [02:23] the mirror apt seems to be using is us-sanjose-1-ad-1.clouds.ports.ubuntu.com, and looking around through the directories there shows that there are packages for jammy, so I dunno what's up [02:24] tm512: https://linuxiac.com/upgrade-ubuntu-20-04-to-22-04/#:~:text=Your%20current%20Ubuntu%2020.04%20LTS%20installation%20will%20not%20prompt%20you,bugs%20have%20been%20ironed%20out. [02:24] oof thats an ugly url [02:24] my fault, but it does work [02:25] https://linuxiac.com/upgrade-ubuntu-20-04-to-22-04 is also fine [02:25] lol, of course my firefox doesn't jump to the highlighted text. Chrome does though [02:27] this article suggests that 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS upgrades will be enabled exactly when 22.04.1 releases. that's not very likely. [02:28] also, the author seems to have misinterpreted the meaning of the -d option to update-manager [02:29] the -d was the whole point :) [02:29] Offtopic perhaps. But where do I look for a bash related channel in Ubuntu? [02:29] I wasn't aware that the upgrade isn't immediately made available, seems like a bit of a strange decision. it seems like do-release-upgrade -d does find a release to upgrade to, though [02:29] update-manager isn't available on this system [02:30] susenj: ubuntu is not an IRC network. But to answer what you're looking for, /join #bash [02:31] and also this article suggests that external repositories and PPAs will be disabled. I hope that won't mess with the apt configuration that was set by default when provisioning this VM [02:31] tm512: it might [02:32] to be safe I think I'll back it up, if it gets destroyed, I'll just s/focal/jammy/g the backup and use that as a new config [02:32] tm512: if you have a preconfigured image, especially on a cloud like Oracle, I would suggest waiting till Oracle has an official upgrade path or migrate to a new 22.04 image [02:34] I don't know if they'll have any upgrade path beyond "just provision a new VM", in which case, it might be easier to just deal with potential issues doing an in-place upgrade, rather than redoing all of my configuration [02:36] Do we have a Mirror Status page like Debian does? [02:37] apparently FreeBSD is supposed to be made available as a prebuilt image on OCI in the near future, which I'll probably end up migrating to, so maybe in the meantime I just ought to stay on 20.04, and spare myself the effort of doing a relatively pointless upgrade [02:38] jhutchins: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [02:41] tomreyn: Thx. [02:46] there is also #ubuntu-mirrors [03:47] I just installed Xubuntu 22.04, and I had hoped to set it up with /home on a separate drive and with both / and /home encrypted, but the installer absolutely refused to handle that properly, so I was forced to install everything on the one disk. How can I set up /home on another partition so that it's encrypted and decrypts at boot, ideally with the same key? [03:49] AHemlocksLie: I haven't gone through a 22.04 install yet but I know with 20.04 you would pick encrypted LVM [03:50] leftyfb: I think that's how you get it encrypted with the automated install, but that doesn't offer the possibility to split /home off into another encrypted partition [03:51] AHemlocksLie: then do the manual install, setup your encrypted volume and then split out your partitions on top of that [03:51] Going through the manual partitioning setup, I couldn't see how to make an LVM, could only do a "physical volume for encryption" or something like that, but when I then tried to set the encrypted partitions to / and /home, it failed somehow when trying to properly format/partition them [03:52] I tried it a couple times, including wiping the drives entirely with gparted and reflashing it on a second USB drive, and none of it helped, still failed to manually setup encrypted partitions [03:54] AHemlocksLie: it's not an encrypted partition. You need to do an encrypted volume under LVM [03:54] partitions are a step after and on top of that [03:55] I don't think I got an option to make an LVM at the manual partitioning screen, unless it's a somewhat hidden option I missed [03:55] do it with gparted [03:56] AHemlocksLie: something along these lines https://limesdr.ru/en/2020/02/29/ubuntu-mate-20-04-install/ [03:57] AHemlocksLie: seriously though, why do you need /home broken out from / ? [03:58] Because I have a relatively small SSD and a much larger HDD [03:59] I want installed software to be on and run from the SSD, but most of /home is stuff that doesn't need to be accessed as quickly, so it's fine on the HDD [04:04] / on SSD and /home on HDD is the scheme I use as well. I haven't done partition encryption on Linux before, though [04:06] I installed Lubuntu 21.10 recently, and I somehow managed it there, but I forget what I did [04:06] I didn't like the desktop environment, so I figured it'd be relatively quick and easy to just install Xubuntu with the new 22.04 LTS, but once again, I am proven wrong [04:08] I think there are encryption options besides ones that require LVM, like dm-crypt seems to basically provide a virtual block device backed by a physical block device, and then you can just partition and format the virtual device as if it were the HDD itself [04:11] At this point, I honestly don't care how it's done. I just want it to be encrypted, and I want it to unlock when I unlock root [04:14] well, if you're not able to get it working through the installer, you can install in a way where the SSD has / including /home, then you can set up encryption on the HDD, then set it up to mount at /home through tweaking /etc/fstab [04:15] Yeah, I just found this that looks like what I need https://healeyj.github.io/2021/02/25/encrypt-ubuntu.html [04:15] a variant of that, sans encryption, is how I've set up my system before, like back when I was running two disks in RAID-0 as my /home partition. wasn't something I could conveniently set up in the void linux installer on the PC [04:27] Okay, I gotta reboot, but I think I'm on track to get this setup right. Thanks to leftyfb and tm512 for trying to help === diskin is now known as Guest1648 === diskin_ is now known as diskin === diskin is now known as Guest1192 [07:29] Hey all. I have added 'if [ ! "$IFACE" = "eth0" ]; then service postfix stop fi' to '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix'. When I make eth0 down, Postfix doesn't stop. What have I done wrong? [07:32] Allie [07:34] leftyfb [07:35] Is Richard Stallman in here? Can you help me please, Richard?! [08:12] hey, I have a question about vaapi on intel driver and firefox. I can't seem to get it to work. Additionally, how do I set environment variables for snaps like firefox? Some workarounds for arch need environment variables to be set and I can't figure out how to do that for snaps. [08:25] greetings, when will 22.04 iso be available? [08:26] It was already released, if you're on the last LTS release then an upgrade will be offered on the first point release. [08:36] Unit193: I need the iso [08:36] !download [08:36] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Jammy, and help keeping the servers' load low! [08:38] Hi all. I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have added 'if [ ! "$IFACE" = "ppp0" ]; then service postfix stop fi' to the bottom of the file '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix' before "exit 0", which should stop Postfix when interface 'ppp0' goes down, but when interface 'ppp0' goes down, Postfix continues to run. I added 'mkdir /opt/1/' to my subroutine to [08:38] see if my subroutine was being parsed but '/opt/1/' was not created when interface 'ppp0' went down, and I noticed a couple of "exit 0"'s within the script and thought perhaps the script was being stopped before it gets to my subroutine, so I put my subroutine at the start of the script but it made no different, Postfix continues to run after the [08:38] interface 'ppp0' goes down. Anyone know whats wrong with Ubuntu? [08:51] AutisticPenguin: is it executable? [08:51] cbreak it is, but I'll triple check again now. [08:52] does it work if you call it yourself? [08:52] It is executable. The file is stock apart from my additiona. [08:52] addition sorry [08:52] cbreak great question. I will try now! [08:53] You are good cbreak. It works when calling it myself. [08:54] so, problem's maybe that it's not being called, or being called with the wrong environment or something [08:54] Now the question is why isn't it being called when the 'ppp0' interface goes down. [08:54] The same script works fine when it goes up. [08:54] The equivalent I mean. [08:54] is there something in journalctl about it? [08:55] is it executed if you call the script 0000000postfix.sh instead? [08:55] I'll be back in a few minutes. I am going to check these things for you. [08:57] hello, does anyone know the best way to batch embed album art into a music library? [09:01] cbreak journalctl starts off from when I first installed Ubuntu. Holding 'page down' would take a long time to get to the end. I don't know where the script '0000000postfix.sh' is, and I checked the syslog for you, and the only thing I found which may be relevant is 'nm-dispatcher[31622]: run-parts: failed to stat component [09:01] /etc/network/if-post-down.d/avahi-daemon: No such file or directory'. [09:01] cbreak I didn't see anything about the file '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix'. [09:03] AutisticPenguin: journalctl -b 0 is from the last reboot [09:03] AutisticPenguin: journalctl --since 14:00 is since 14:00 [09:04] AutisticPenguin: well, the idea is that something in the if-down.d directory stops processing [09:05] so if you change your script to be run earlier (by renaming it with lots of leading 0), to avoid this [09:05] cbreak 'journalctl' looks like looking at the syslog. I will look at it now and be back soon. [09:05] the error you saw about avvahi-daemon not existing might be that. [09:06] cbreak time to create it and check..... [09:07] '/etc/network/if-post-down.d/avahi-daemon' exists! [09:08] Checking permissions... [09:08] Oh, its a symlink. I bet the destination doesn't exist. Checking. BTW, its red in Terminal. Probably meaning that. [09:10] '/etc/network/if-post-down.d/avahi-daemon' is a symlink to '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon'. '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon' does not exist, but '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd' does. [09:11] I will create '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon' now and test... [09:11] or... you could remove the broken symlink :) [09:11] Yes but I am a curious person lol [09:11] Its not good [09:15] Well, creating ''/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon' stopped the error in the log, but it didn't fix the problem. [09:17] I just copied '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd' to '/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon' and made it executable, but that didn't fix it either. [09:18] I could leave this problem, its doing no harm, but I like a quiet syslog, but I am questioning if this is one of those Linux problems I shouldn't let waste my life. ;) [09:18] The problem is syslog is Postfix constantly complains it can't find the ppp0 interface. [09:19] I am trashing this 20.04 LTS VM for 22.04 LTS soon, maybe I should just leave it and hope for 22.04. [09:19] What do you think friend? [09:28] AutisticPenguin: not sure why postfix even cares about interfaces [09:29] did you try renaming your postfix stop script to be earlier in the list? [09:29] also, I don't htink copying random avahi scripts to different locations makes any sense [09:32] cbreak I will try right now. [09:33] Greetings everyone. I'm trying to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 using this command: do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive . However, it doesn't start, I get the following message: "There is no development version of an LTS available." It also suggests to change Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades. Mine is set to LTS obviously. What's wrong? Isn't 22.04 a non-LTS release? [09:34] hid3: apparently, updating hasn't been enabled yet [09:35] cbreak it did not work. [09:35] I noticed there is a file 'postfix.swp'. [09:35] AutisticPenguin: that's just some editor file [09:36] AutisticPenguin: see man vim for description [09:36] I tried placing the subroutine in '/etc/network/if-post-down.d/postfix' as well, but it didn't work. [09:36] Far out [09:37] cbreak, any clues why it is so? What's the criteria for it to become enabled? [09:37] Now I will create '/etc/network/if-down.d/whatever' with a command to create 'opt/bla' and see if that executes. If it doesn't, then that indicates nothing is executing in '/etc/network/if-post-down.d/'. [09:39] hid3: don't know. It's probably a matter of time [09:41] cbreak its still not working. This is a bug in Ubuntu. [09:44] OK, thanks. I thought it's something wrong with my system [09:45] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668 [09:47] What are you wanting me to read in this 27 page document? :) [09:47] AutisticPenguin, ifupdown (who uses that dir) is dead and gone sicne years and normally not installed on 20.04 and onwards [09:47] see https://netplan.io/faq/#use-pre-up%2C-post-up%2C-etc.-hook-scripts [09:48] ogra if it was dead it wouldn't be in the distro. ;) [09:49] I have installed 'ifconfig'. Perhaps it was installed with it. [09:49] Its in the repo anyway. [09:50] Seems like a good app. [09:50] AutisticPenguin, it was dead since a decade, ubuntu just dragged it through but it has long been dropped from the default install ... [09:50] ogra: Got new maintainers at the end of 2020, fwiw. So somewhat active, I think ifupdown2 (python) would also hook int that system. [09:50] (Do you mean net-tools?) [09:50] Unit193 I have installed that as well, so maybe it came with that, yes. [09:50] Unit193, yeah, but not in ubuntu ... it sits in universe and has zero distro integration anymore in debian and ubunut [09:50] *ubuntu [09:51] What a shame. Can anyone else recommend a way to run a command when an interface goes down? [09:51] AutisticPenguin, you must have installed it manually and indeed it is up to you to keep an unsupported network tool around to manage all your network aside the integrated management [09:52] ogra it is supported. [09:52] I think just Ubuntu, since in Debian it's still got priority 'important'. Anywho, that's details. [09:52] AutisticPenguin, but note that netplkan (managing systemd-networkd) is the default and the doc above gives you instructions to migrate from an older setup [09:53] I like netplan on my servers [09:53] feel free to do whatever you want ... just pointing out what we integrated as default ... [09:53] * ogra goes AFK again [09:53] it seems easier than the other ways possible [09:53] ogra All good, thanks [09:53] How do I input emojis into my terminals? Doesn't seem to work with Emote :/ [09:54] (using Terminator and oh-my-zsh if that's relevant) [09:55] ogra I believe netplan is default in Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS but not Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. [09:55] AutisticPenguin, ?? [09:55] peirik: like echo 🍕 ? [09:56] it is default in 20.04 🙂 [09:56] AutisticPenguin: Pretty sure the defaults are either NetworkManager or netplan, so certainly no ifupdown. [09:56] ogra ah... it is installed. [09:57] AutisticPenguin, on the desktop it configured network manager if you use it (else NM s the default and you should use its integration scripts in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/) [09:57] s/configured/configures/ [09:57] Unit193: on my 21.10, I have a netplan that refers to NetworkManager :) [09:57] so... both? :P [09:57] :D [09:58] '/etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml' is the only file I have, and it has the renderer set to 'NetworkManager'. [09:58] cbreak, yeah, on servers netplan manages systemd-networkd, on desktop NM ... [09:58] if you dont need manual config on your desktop it is just a NOOP and leaves it all to network-manager [09:59] ogra I will checkout integration scripts in '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/' now. Thanks. [09:59] netplan is just a frontend to the two for manual configuration by files [09:59] cbreak: whats echo? [10:00] peirik, there was an emoji between "echo" and "?" ... [10:00] ogra: yea, i saw the pizza :) [10:00] (seems your IRC client does not support that) [10:00] ah [10:00] using weechat [10:01] i thoguht you had not seen it 🙂 [10:01] ogra do you where can I find documentation on how to run a command to make a service stop when an interface goes down? [10:01] no, i can see emojis just fine - but can't seem to be able to input any :/ [10:01] AutisticPenguin, heh, for that one i'd just use a system service unit ... [10:02] are you guys using Emote for input? [10:02] ogra you told me to use integration scripts though. [10:04] And people say ifupdown is bad...... [10:04] I liked ipupdown [10:04] I dislike nm [10:05] I can see where it may be inferior when you want to run scripts in an order but other than that, its nice a straight forward. [10:05] That is my experience anyway. [10:05] I am having a break, then I will return and try and get it working. [10:06] AutisticPenguin, well, this is kind of between networking and service management ... [10:07] ogra I have seen netplan being used in a way that executes commands and it looked really good. Its re-learning that is the pain. [10:07] ogra: Time to be more accurate. [10:07]  [10:08] AutisticPenguin, it really depends what you look for ... if you just want the service to run while being online i'd use a systemd service unit and match for criteria systemd provides ... if you want "some specific script doign something on a certain state of a network device" i'd go with the new up-down scripts [10:12] ogra when my VPN goes up, ifupdown runs '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix', when my VPN goes down, ifupdown is suppose to run '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix', but ifupdown fails to run '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix'. [10:12] ogra when I run '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix' manually, the mail server goes down. [10:14] ogra so it appears ifupdown has a problem, which is a shame because here I am almost 3 hours later depressed. [10:14] AutisticPenguin, https://blog.bjoern-ruberg.de/2015/10/15/start-a-service-after-openvpn-connection-has-been-established-using-systemd/ [10:15] ogra thanks, I will read it when I get back and see if I can use it instead of my beloved ifupdown. [10:15] BBS [10:19] thnx [10:22] Ok, Ubuntu Studio 22.04 (Plasma) weirdness. The screen gets fuzzy. If move the mouse over a window it gets unfuzzy (usually, not always). The first time it happened I just thought it was a game putting the monitor into a weird resolution that caused it. I sat down at my computer this morning after the sitting all night and the screen was fuzzy again. The really interesting part is I can actually screenshot this. The only way I've found [10:22] to fix it is to log out of the desktop session and log back in. It's really weird. [10:22] * BrianHechinger[m uploaded an image: (962KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/4amlunch.net/558f8761707d6716b9a6eb47f71cb14f07db3087/wtf.png > [10:41] ubottu: thanks for the links [10:42] !ubottu [10:42] Hi! I'm #ubuntu's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone [10:44] ogra ifupdown isn't even installed on my system. How is '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix' even being ran? [10:47] Does anyone know why Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is running scripts in '/etc/network/if-up.d/' every time an interface goes up, despite not having ifupdown installed? [10:52] AutisticPenguin: systemd-networkd most likely [10:52] tomreyn oh right. Why would it do that? [10:54] why would ifupdown do so? [10:54] through some backwards compatibility generator script in systemd perhaps ? [10:54] tomreyn nah, why would systemd do what ifupdown was made to do? [10:54] ogra maybe [10:55] i think ogra answered that one [10:55] tomreyn yes. I am Googling....... [10:55] So this is why people don't like systemd. [10:55] systemd wants to take over the world so it wants to do all the things. [10:55] systemd in debian (and thus ubuntu) comes with a bunch of these odd generators that try to translate the old world to the new world [10:56] there are also some for transferring sysinit scripts over and such [10:56] *sysvinit [10:56] Riiiiiiiiiight. I have heard so many people not like systemd, and even before I was thinking it was so great seeing it in sysctl. But now I am starting to see how ridiculous it can be. [10:57] sysjournal sorry, or what ever its called. [10:57] journalctl? [10:57] journald [10:57] and yes, that is the cli tool [10:58] So Red Hat designed systemd to run the up scrips but not the down? How dumb can you get. [10:58] no, thats more likely a bug in the dbian generator tool ... [10:58] *debian [10:58] Oh ok. [10:58] That is beyond me. [10:59] just follow https://blog.bjoern-ruberg.de/2015/10/15/start-a-service-after-openvpn-connection-has-been-established-using-systemd/ ... then your postfx should start/stop with the interface appearing/disappearing [10:59] I have a better idea, I am just testing it now. lol [11:00] (after all it is just a cp command and adding two lines to the copied file) [11:00] My way gets it working with just 1 line :) [11:04] For real, I installed ifupdown and it still doesn't work [11:04] And people crap on Microsoft [11:05] Gonna follow that article now ogra. [11:05] After installing this hobby software. [11:05] uninstalling [11:06]  [11:06] does 'apt purpose ifupdown' completely remove all residual files? [11:06] 'apt purge ifupdown' [11:07] Yes I can read the man page but I'm in a pissed off mood right now [11:08] Never mind, I just used Synaptic Package Manager and done with it. [11:09] 'purge' parameter removes 'residual files' but not configuration files in the home directory, so no, it doesn't remove residual files. [11:10] Nah fuck this shit. I'm not spending anymore time on this trash. [11:10] Thanks ogra. [11:10] Good bue [11:10] Good bye [11:11] purge of Open Office isn't going through your documents folder and deleting all office documents, indeed. Uninstalling will only remove system configuration, not user files [11:24] Hey, that's great i'm using an old-releases, it's very nice the packages are still online and we can still use APT and everything on 10 yo releases. [12:06] I have spent half an hour squeezing my Tux stress ball while doing deep breathing exercises that my social worker taught me to do, and going to give this Linux thing another shot. [12:11] AutisticPenguin: please note the topic of this channel, ubuntu support. there are other channels for other topics. [12:12] tomreyn yes I noted that. [12:13] So I am using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and I have a file '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix' that gets ran every time a network interface goes up, which is what I want. I also have a file '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix' that looks like its suppose to get ran every time a network interface goes down, but this doesn't happen. I don't have and never have had [12:13] ifupdown installed so '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix' shouldn't be being ran let alone exist, yet it is. I would like to find out what is running it so I can then investigate why its not running '/etc/network/if-down.d/postfix' as that is what I would like to happen. Does anyone know how I can see what is accessing the file [12:13] '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix' when an interface goes up? [12:19] I'm starting to think its the packages that are installing these files in the if-up etc directories. === fling_ is now known as fling [12:24] I just checked a near-stock installation which has never had Postfix installed and can confirm that the Postfix package did create the files, but there exists other files in /etc/network/ directories for applications that have never been installed. So this is a very strange way Ubuntu has setup networking. [12:25] dpkg -S /path/to/file will tell you which package a file belongs to [12:25] Thanks tomreyn [12:26] this will, however, not work for files which were only created during a debian package's postinstall hook [12:26] All I really want to know right now is what is running '/etc/network/if-up.d/postfix' when an interface goes up. [12:27] Hi all [12:27] hi. my desktop computer is a leftover frankenstein design, core i5 3470 and a Radeon HD7750. old but serves the prupose at 5W idle. now recently the video card's fan is spinning fairly audible and I don't know why. is there "top" for gpus? [12:27] sensors say core is at 67C which is a little high for idle [12:28] deadrom have you install the fancontrol package? [12:28] deadrom 10 years ago I installed it and it made my fans quieter. If the package is still around, I say try it. [12:28] AutisticPenguin: no actually not. so far had no need for it. both CPU and GPU fans regulated themselves nicely from firmware alone [12:29] I'd like to see if there is a visible cause first [12:29] deadrom perhaps the problem is something physical. [12:29] AutisticPenguin: airflow is A ok, no dust gahtered up in the cooler either [12:29] deadrom have you tried it in Windows? [12:30] no Windows on that machine [12:30] deadrom have you installed the graphics card drivers? [12:30] runs on amdgpu [12:30] Which version of Ubuntu are you running? [12:31] 18.04LTS [12:31] Click on the 'Show applications' button at the bottom left of the screen. You will find 'Additional Drivers' in the menu. Click on it and see if there is anything else that can be installed for your graphics card. [12:32] well yes, I could go for propietry amd drivers, but that's not how I wanted to slay the dragon. [12:33] deadrom. Your fans being loud will likely be because of no proprietary drivers. It sucks my friend, but that's the way it is. [12:33] It's been working fine like this for several years. [12:34] deadrom is it the same graphics card as before? [12:34] and you don't want proprietary drivers for radeon hd7750 anyways, most likely [12:34] same module, not sure if recent kernel upgrade introduced new versions. [12:34] tomreyn: I know, that relict is one for the open driver [12:35] that's fine [12:35] deadrom the Linux world is not the best with software regression. My guess is that the big change in the system is the reason why now things are behaving differently. [12:35] still I know the core base of the module might change and so the card behaves different with new versiosn even when would expect that the code for a legacy card doesn't change [12:35] it's not like open source is something bad, right [12:36] but the key strenght of Linux over Windows is that you can analyze these things right down to the core, so back to my oriignal question: is there something like gpu-top? [12:36] "gpu" and "top" on google gets you nothing but gamer card recommendations [12:36] deadrom your problem isn't Linux, its those closed-source drivers. [12:37] there is radeontop [12:37] AutisticPenguin: I explaind several times now the hardware and driver situation. [12:38] tomreyn: heyyy. [12:38] deadrom you said you didn't want to install proprietary drivers because you didn't want to slay the dragon. My experience is that your fans speeds are running fast because they are not installed with your new franken-system. [12:39] [23.4.2022 14:36] deadrom your problem isn't Linux, its those closed-source drivers. [12:40] deadrom I have probably been gaming longer than you have been alive. My experience tells me you will not be getting fan control speeds without drivers or the fancontrol package, if its still around, and even then you may need the drivers installed for it to work. [12:41] AutisticPenguin: don't give me this "I'm so old and experienced" shit please, if you have an approach how to identify the root cause say it if not leave it be [12:41] let's drop the discussion and concentrate on solving issues. [12:41] so far I only heard you jigawing my statement [12:41] deadrom lol okay, good luck. [12:44] deadrom. The root cause is your GPU's fan has 3 wires on them. 1 for the DC voltage, 2 for the Earth, and a 3rd for data which is sent through the Linux kernel to your GPU's microcontrol unit. The kernel needs drivers in order to send that data through the third wire. That is the root cause. [12:45] tomreyn: radeontop only gives you generic load stats of the entire device but not which process is doing what. then again right now I closed all "fat" programs like browsers with YT tabs open etc and still hear the fan. I bumped into the case recently, maybe the ancient thermal grease under the sink cracked... [12:46] AutisticPenguin: dude [12:46] dead you said everything physical was good. === Vercas4 is now known as Vercas [12:46] deadrom: the easiest way to find that out may be to run the old software stack again (or something similar, such as an ubuntu live/installer system with a similar kernel version) which i think you said did not expose this problem [12:47] I just checked the repository of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and the fancontrol package is in there, so chances are its in the repository for 18.04 LTS. Please install it, reboot your system and let us know if it resolves your issue. [12:48] hi [12:48] I'll shutdown now and regrease the sink first. [12:48] What a noob [12:50] I study [12:51] aita: hi. do you have an ubuntu support question? [12:51] thats the script you need to check /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown [12:51] есть кто с росси [12:51] !ubuntu-ru [12:51] !ru | aita [12:51] aita: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [12:52] где тут набрать [12:52] should be 'pomoshchi' [13:29] aand after a regrease I'm down from 67C to 44C, so a whopping 23 delta just regresing the sink. whoa. Fan is now significantly down, now I'll see about various tools if I can quiet it altogehter when near idle, there's fancontrol as suggested plus some other external tools. we'll see. === GavinHsueh is now known as mintroot === mintroot is now known as mintro === mintro is now known as GavinHsueh === mintroot is now known as GavinHsueh [14:15] Hi. The 22.04 release notes (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668) say "Upgrades to 22.04 LTS [from 21.10] are currently not enabled (due a bug with snapd and update-notifier) but will be in the next couple of days." How can I tell when it's been enabled? [14:18] If I would like to upgrade from Ubuntu 20.04.4 to 22.04 stable release, is the only way to wipe my current installation and install using the ISO image? Is that generally a better idea than to upgrade? [14:18] waltman, :o [14:19] waltman: update-manager -c will report that a release upgrade is available [14:20] !ltsupgrade | Guest1969 [14:20] Guest1969: Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d [14:20] That forces an upgrade to a development release, not a stable release. [14:21] well, there is no development release currently [14:21] so it points to 22.04 [14:21] tomreyn: thanks! [14:22] Okay, thank you. I felt worried that I would get something more recent than the 22.04 stable release. [14:22] Guest1969: I guess you can say that a fresh install is generally better than an upgrade. This doesn'T have to be correct in all situations, thoough. [14:22] nah, more recent will still take a few weeks [14:23] All right. :) [14:23]