[00:00] then why remove it? [00:00] its just not my cup of tea [00:01] yeah, I hate when things are more secure, kept up to date according to the vendor's release schedule and are cross-platform [00:01] it's even worse when it just works without issues. remove it immediately [00:02] * srv just running ubuntu 22.04 [00:03] just trying out the live system from the stick [00:09] im just installing it on wsl [00:09] hmm so without snap there is no web browser available in ubuntu 22.04? [00:09] or just upgraded to ubuntu 22.04 [00:10] de-facto: not installed [00:10] you can try ./sudo apt install firefox-esr [00:10] i install the debian version [00:10] i hate snap [00:10] is there a repo that contains a up to date firefox? [00:11] srv: firefox-esr is not part of the ubuntu repo's [00:11] i know [00:11] de-facto: none that are supported here. Google might have some though [00:11] but you can install it [00:11] de-facto: all this effort to remove something which works perfectly fine [00:12] is just a sugestion thats all [00:12] de-facto: mind you, Mozilla manages the snap, not Canonical [00:13] sorry to hear that :( [00:13] AFAIK, Mozilla does not maintain a .deb repo for firefox [00:14] de-facto: you have yet to give any valid reason why you can't just use the snap [00:14] i just dont like it sorry [00:14] based on what? [00:15] the architecture, that it creates a lot of mounts etc [00:15] those are jailed environments to keep it separated from other processes for security [00:16] not sure how that affects anything regardless [00:17] yeah its ok, but i dont want it [00:17] lol [00:18] the biggest problem with snaps is that they're impossible to update [00:18] and have their own copy of potentially vulnerable dependencies [00:18] cbreak: sudo snap update [00:18] so you depend on the snap packager on updating every single library for you [00:18] s/update/refresh/ [00:19] cbreak: also, they update on their own automatically. So the exact opposite of being impossible to update [00:19] cbreak, thats not true ,,, snaps use libs from frameworks ... [00:19] cbreak: every package has everything it needs built into it. No dependencies [00:19] leftyfb: wrong [00:19] they're full of dependencies [00:19] dependencies which are impossible to update [00:20] because they're baked into the image [00:20] how many snap packages do you maintain ? [00:20] as I said above: you have to rely on the snap creator to update everything for you [00:20] ogra: they can't be maintained by anyone other than the creator, that's the problem [00:21] and every single of them contains its own copy of its dependencies [00:21] so if I update a library in ubuntu with some security fix, this security fix will not be used by any snap package [00:21] cbreak, how many snap packages do you maintain ? how much o you know about the process involved (and about the regular security vulnerability mails you get etc etc etc ) [00:21] cbreak: you're talking from snap maintainer perspective. I'm talking from user perspective. Every snap package has everything it needs and does not rely on any other .deb or snap packages installed on the machine (other than snapd) [00:21] the snap packages will instead keep using their vulnerable version until the creator of the snap updates it for me [00:22] leftyfb: I'm also talking about the user perspective [00:22] cbreak: then you are wrong [00:22] no. [00:22] snaps do not rely on other .deb or snap packages [00:22] you do realize that every snap contains its own copy of its dependencies, right? [00:23] I just said that [00:23] cbreak, again that is wrong [00:23] so I obviously have to rely on the creator of that snap to update the dependencies [00:23] I can't do it myself [00:23] if I install a security update in ubuntu, it will not affect any snap [00:23] snaps use framwrks [00:23] sigh [00:24] * ogra gives up ... [00:24] ogra: got a link you can point me to explaining this? I wasn't aware of this aspect [00:24] maybe he's thinking about the base images [00:25] leftyfb, every snap that uses i.e. the gnome-x-xx interface uses the libs from there ... (pretty much all modern desktop snaps use that) [00:25] it is true that they ship some libs on their own ... but the majority of libs comes from the core snap or a framework snap [00:25] ok, but just the gnome-x-xx right? I have dozens of snaps installed and not one has ever pulled in any other snap [00:26] there are qt frameworks too [00:26] ah, gnome = framework snap [00:26] (or kde i think ... never used any of the QT ones) [00:26] but that's mainly the gtk stuff right? [00:26] well, its pretty much all desktop libs [00:26] plus themes and cursors [00:27] right, but that make sense. I don't think anyone would expect and entire DE to be contained in every snap [00:27] (just do a find in /snap/gnome-*/current/ ...) [00:27] right [00:27] but for something like libssl or the like [00:28] those would be part of every snap [00:28] there are definitely some additional libs package ship ... for these you get constant nagging mails from the store if you have a vulnerable one in your snap [00:28] *packages [00:29] the only ones that can update those vulnerable libraries are the creators of those snaps :( [00:29] there is also work going on to auto-rebuild snaps when there is a security vulnerability in a shipped lib ... not sure where that stands though [00:29] end users can't do it. [00:29] hmm honestly this is kinda of a show stopper for me that there is no web browser without snap [00:29] cbreak: are you in the habit of rolling your own packages with security fixes? [00:29] I just discovered that installing a snap like chromium on the first boot on a fresh installation of Ubuntu 22.04 also borks the system, not only when removing firefox. [00:30] leftyfb: no, I don't need to with native packages [00:30] since ubuntu distributes fixes which I can just install [00:30] cbreak: snap is native to ubuntu [00:30] cbreak, you can always grab the snapcraft.yaml from the snap and do a local build if you feel like ... [00:30] not natively ubuntu [00:30] snaps get updated with security fixed all on their own [00:30] many packages are third party [00:30] leftyfb: nope :( [00:31] the snap creator has to do it [00:31] * leftyfb steps out of the circle [00:31] ubuntu has no say in it, for packages other than their own [00:31] * ogra really goes now ... [00:31] Guest1969-mobile, note that in the bug please ... someone will look at it on monday [00:32] de-facto: can't you install Chrome (or other browser of your choice) using dpkg/apt on 22.04? [00:33] ksx4system: there are several web browsers available in the ubuntu repositories. chromium has been snap only for years. Firefox is snap only for the first time with 22.04 [00:33] yeah i would have prefered a maintained open source browser without snap [00:33] leftyfb, I have no idea what's the state of Chromium :( haven't used that since 2014 or so [00:33] de-facto: maybe you can find an app image or flatpack :D (those have basically very similar issues though) [00:33] leftyfb, but yeah, I've heard about forcing snap for Firefox [00:34] de-facto: all of the browsers available in ubuntu are open source and maintained [00:34] ksx4system: there's nothing wrong with snaps [00:34] yes but none is available out of snap [00:34] for the vast majority of desktop users [00:34] de-facto: false [00:35] leftyfb, I don't like them and would love to disable them entirely but it's my personal preference :) [00:35] which browser is available without snap? [00:35] christ [00:35] https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/konqueror ... hmm... [00:36] cbreak, KDE vibe detected [00:36] indeed [00:36] if you don't like GUIs, you could try lynx, links or similar [00:37] cbreak: and now I have KDE3 flashbacks lol [00:37] kde plasma is nice. [00:38] (I don't use konqueror...) [00:38] cbreak, I liked KDE4 more than I do KDE5 but it's nice :) [00:38] * ksx4system probably spent most of his Linux desktop time with KDE [00:47] Hey everyone I'm having a strange problem. Ever since I updated to 22.04 my gnome dash (the bar with pinned applications) switched which monitor it was on. I want the dash on my non primary display, and I'm not sure how to move it. Would anyone be able to help? [00:50] DualMonitorHelp: I'm pretty sure the dock stays on the primary display. Change your primary display if you want it on the other monitor [00:51] I think the dumb solution would be to reorder the monitors in xrandr, where my to monitors are listed as XRANDR0 and XRANDR1. If I could flip them I think I could trick gnome into placing the dash on the right monitor, but I don't know how this command would work. [00:51] Also it does not, changing my primary display actually does not move the dock [00:51] not XRANDR, XWAYLAND [00:51] i tried --left-of and --right-of which didn't change anything [00:53] srv i tried to install Firefox like https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ prior to removing snap, seems to work [00:55] Gnome-tweaks doesn't seem to have any useful settings either [01:01] hmm does gnome 42 not have the hot corner anymore? [01:02] settings -> multitasking has the setting [01:03] oh nice thanks [01:05] this new gnome is really neat :) [01:06] I agree! just still trying to place the dock on the window I want it on '=D [01:11] hey folks, how do i upgrade from impish to jammy, via cli? [01:11] do-release-upgrade -c seems to not work for me [01:12] I had to run [01:12] sudo sed -i 's/impish/jammy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list [01:12] then I could [01:12] sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade [01:12] the first command updates the package sources to look at the new release and everything worked fine [01:12] YMMV [01:13] thanks DualMonitorHelp, that method was my plan-b :) === M4he is now known as mahe [01:14] I just dealt with the same issue about an hour ago, and now I'm here because new update new gnome so I need some help placing things again haha [01:15] hmm, i wonder why 'do-release-upgrade' release wont work... [01:15] $ cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [01:15] Prompt=lts [01:15] kept telling you that there isn't a new release right? [01:15] DualMonitorHelp, have you looked in settings -> appearance ? [01:16] there are settings for dock [01:16] "Show on" [01:16] Thank you! [01:16] Completely missed the ball there, I really appreciate it! [01:17] Together de-facto we have both fully read the settings haha [01:17] its all new and nicely integrated now, its neat :) [01:19] # do-release-upgrade [01:19] Checking for a new Ubuntu release [01:19] There is no development version of an LTS available. [01:20] mtj I can't offer you anything more information than what I've already let you know, which you seem to already be read up on. Anecdotally it worked just fine. I do wish I could be of more help. [01:20] de-facto thank you again for the help. I'm gonna be on my way, I wish you all the best of luck [01:20] np [01:20] thanks to you too, have fun :) [01:29] mtj: 22.04 remains in development status until the .1 relase - thus it is ' sudo do-release-upgrade -d ' - the -d for development release. [01:34] Bashing-om: aah, many thanks [01:35] is .1 scheduled to be releases may 21st-ish? [01:36] mtj: I would expect it would depend more on what needs to be fixed/updated than a fixed date. [01:38] makes sense [01:39] join #linux [01:52] mtj: Didn't you say you are on Impish currently though? Then why do you have "Prompt=lts" set? And to be clear, the upgrade to Jammy on the LTS path is indeed only opened after its first point release, while the upgrade on the regular path is going to be opened in a matter of days after a few critical bugs have been fixed. [01:54] kryten: i had manually set "Prompt=lts", as i was having no success with do-release-upgrade [01:58] ..looks like a combo of "Prompt=lts" and do-release-upgrade -d might have doen the trick [01:59] fyi, the sed method seems to have worked :) [02:21] hmm how can i set the subpixel rendering order in Ubuntu 22.04? [02:21] i need to change RGB -> BGR [02:21] https://askubuntu.com/questions/98531/how-can-i-change-font-rendering-to-sub-pixel-bgr-ordering [02:21] this does not seem to be present anymore in the new Gnome [02:22] in good old gnome 2 it was a gui setting [02:22] now i have to search for strings in the settings that disappear :/ === Starmina_ is now known as Starmina === denza252 is now known as denza^242 [03:07] gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings rgba-order 'bgr' gives me the error No such key “rgba-order” [03:07] where is that key then? [03:08] font rendering looks horrible, i have a BRG monitor and need to switch subpixel rendering from RGB -> BGR [03:15] well 22.04 seems alright so far.. [03:17] ubuntu software has a problem uninstalling apps [03:17] havent gotten into that yet [03:17] firefox seems faulty too [03:17] try it. [03:18] Crucifyy: No other reports so far, what specific problem do you have? [03:18] I didn't notice because I don't use firefox. [03:19] JoeBk: "has a problem" is pretty vague. [03:19] jhutchins: lol yea sorry, mine wont luanch when i click it... i have to right click it and select open new window [03:20] ubuntu software gets an error when you attempt to remove an app. [03:20] it throws an error message [03:20] It's already been reported. [03:20] Opera hangs for like 2 min before it launches too [03:22] may need longer for first run, to initialize all the settings or such [03:23] I'm not seeing a probblem with firefox. [03:25] JoeBk: I just uninstalled it via software and had no issues there [03:25] looks like we have opposite issues lol [03:25] uninstalled what? [03:25] for me the snap version of firefox was unable to write in ~/Documents when trying to safe a PDF, hence i replaced it [03:25] Firefox [03:25] why would you do that? [03:26] de-facto: that is easily fixed [03:26] did you use command line or the app? [03:26] app [03:27] ok just reporting my experience [03:28] I just tried to uninstall mahjongg and got an error. [03:29] how do I disable os-prober while installing ubuntu 22.04, is there any way to do that? [03:29] safe PDF from the print to PDF dialogue i should add i guess [03:33] JoeBk: Getting an error is not significant. What the error says might be significant. [03:34] why don't you just try it. [03:34] a bug report has alredy been made. [03:36] LP bug 1969303 for reference, and it seems to only affect .deb packages, which would be why the issue isn't exhibited on removing the Firefox snap. [03:36] Launchpad bug 1969303 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "'No package to remove' error when attempting to uninstall" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1969303 [03:36] any idea how to set subpixel order for font rendering ? [03:41] fonts look really blurry with rainbow effects [03:41] Spotify wont launch either... hmm [03:42] opens the window, but nothing shows up [03:42] opera is only slow the first time it's run. [03:43] vlc does the same thing. [03:43] yeah thats what i thought [03:43] it probably needs time to initialize its dot files and settings for first run [03:44] 5 min later and you're right [03:44] just popped up [03:46] Hello, I installed Ubuntu server 20.04.4 as VM. [03:46] How to boot the VM in text mode? I mean to show the boot process, seeing the booting log [03:49] spotify worked for me. [03:51] oh yay i found it: RGB -> BGR subpixel rendering is: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface font-rgba-order 'bgr' [03:51] JoeBk: Spotify is working now, took 5 or so min to launch though [03:52] worked for me without delay [03:52] nice i like the new ubuntu more and more :) [03:53] Discord took a few min too [03:53] jimgray, might need to remove "quiet splash" in the grub boot menu i guess [03:54] first start stuff i guess??? Everything is on a NvME, not really used to 5 min starts.. lol [03:55] Crucifyy, thats normal for a lot of apps that require a lot of initialization [03:56] JoeBk, im sure, just wasnt doing it on 20.04. so idk [03:57] it does not have such boot option [03:58] jimgray, what i meant is that each boot entry has an argument list that is given to the kernel (instructions how to do that specific boot). you can edit it with pressing "e" when highlighting a menu entry in grub and then F10 to use the edited version iirc [03:59] you could try to remove the words: quiet splash [03:59] de-facto: yeap, but no such words there "quiet splash" [03:59] in the edit mode of grub? [03:59] yep [03:59] hmm [03:59] I am using teh Ubuntu server ISO [04:01] what do you see in the booting process then? [04:01] Does ubuntu run on m1 macbook [04:01] de-facto: nothing, but just show me the login [04:02] Marz: yep, on M1 VM [04:02] installed as virtual machine [04:02] the systemctl get-default is graphical.target [04:04] jimgray, what is in your /etc/default/grub ? [04:07] Anyone seeing pipewire problems after updating to Jammy? It's acting like I have no sound devices attached. [04:13] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" [04:13] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" [04:13] de-facto: seems the grub menu has gfxmode setup [04:14] hmm ok, careful with changes there, it may break booting [04:14] after changes you need to run: sudo update-grub [04:15] i was suspecting RUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" but yours already is clean it seems [04:15] actually then i am not sure why it wont show text at bootup process [04:16] de-facto: let me google a bit [04:17] #GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console [04:17] I found this line [04:18] i am not sure about the other settings there, be careful it may break your boot process if you change things that you dont really know [04:18] i only was after "quiet splash" because i know that this would not break booting [04:19] also having a backup of files never hurts [04:20] de-facto: sure. backup first before try [04:21] de-facto, I'm going to try it on my system. [04:24] It output a bunch of stuff when it booted. [04:25] yeah as it should, the output of the kernel from booting [04:28] * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (396KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MPtHbzqFxjvuGUfrOzTkouXK/Screenshot%20from%202022-04-23%2021-27-56.png > [04:28] I want to install firefox from mozilla team ppa (not snap). How do I keep it from wanting to install the snap? [04:29] Even if I install manually by specifying that version number, it still wnats to upgrade to the snap. [04:29] So my question is how do I do apt pinning or preferences to make it so that it doesnt have the snap as the installation candidate. [04:34] enigma9o7[m], did you try downloading firefox from mozilla? [04:34] You mean ever? Sure I've tried that before. Works fine. [04:35] enigma9o7[m]: See: https://balintreczey.hu/blog/firefox-on-ubuntu-22-04-from-deb-not-from-snap/ . [04:35] That version updates itself. [04:35] (The version from mozilla I mean) [04:35] Ah thanks bashing-om, that looks like the info I was looking for about pinning stuff, thanks much! [04:36] enigma9o7[m]: :D - Ubuntu-- one for all and all for the one. [04:39] And yep it worked. Excellent. [04:53] hi all.im thinking of changing the driver of this wifi adapter using the non-free ver,question is:how do you check if the new driver is the latest ? coz i might just be installing same version. [04:54] bluegrn2: sudo lshw -C network will show you driver=...version [04:55] lotuspsychje, yea,i saw the existing version beforehand,but the about to download doesnot specify its version [04:55] bluegrn2: usualy you can compare that version with the website of your chipset brand, or their git [04:55] try typing this into ur command line: lspci -v [04:56] bluegrn2: whats the reason you want to move to a higher version? [04:56] ill be using : deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster non-free [04:57] is there any word on when they are going to do updates? I would like that uninstall ug fixed. [04:57] i am so happy that BGR subpixel rendering works on 22.04, it looks awesome now :) [04:58] bluegrn2: we can only support ubuntu releases here, debian has their own channel [04:58] bug* [04:58] lotuspsychje, and this too https://sourceforge.net/projects/ath9k-htc/files/ [04:58] ohh.. sorry [04:59] !debian [04:59] Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! [05:00] also extensions.gnome.org work with native FF and extension [05:01] ubottu, so its not recommended using the non free driver ? [05:01] its a bot [05:01] what are the risk using gnome extensions ? [05:02] i guess trusting the developer as always? [05:03] i have a question regarding sound output. i keep getting dummy output only for my pc's inbuilt speaker (bluetooth earbuds work though). no input method detected either. i know its not a hardware issue because this computer originally had macOS installed, and the sound output worked fine. ive also tried the ubuntu forums and messing around with my cofiguration files, but nothing has worked so far [05:03] lotuspsychje, lspci -v Will this show the latest versions ? im trying to change drivers coz it might fix the frequent drops of the wifi [05:04] bluegrn2, yes lspci -v should show you info [05:05] you can also try " | grep wireless" if you want to search for the wifi directly [05:09] lspci -v did not show drivers for atheros [05:10] sudo lshw -C network [05:10] dont think it should show drivers, only hardware [05:17] enigma9o7[m]: Look in the configuration line >> " configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too " [05:40] is it possible to peak inside a deb installer w/o installing it to see the driver's version ? [05:43] !archivemount [05:44] archivemount file.deb mountpoint [05:46] !ar [05:46] La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe [05:46] man ar [05:56] hey guys, any idea on how to make the left pane of nautilus show "other locations" in there too, instead of opening them in the right pane? [05:58] jadew: try dconf-editor for tweaks [05:59] lotuspsychje, I tried, but the option that used to work, doesn't [05:59] the side-pane-view option appears to have been removed [06:00] and the view menu is gone or I don't know how to access it, the whole app seems severely crippled and I'm thinking I must be missing something [06:02] is this possible? [06:11] they're in fstab? [06:13] enigma9o7[m], no [06:16] i have problems with my sound configuration. i realize now its because my dmic_detect option is decapitated, and to fix it i should insert "snd-intel-dspcfg.dsp_driver=1" into some or other configuration file. the difficulty is that i do not know which configuration file this is. could someone please point me in the right direction? [06:24] dacompchomp, looks like a kernel option. so that would be /etc/default/grub. dont forget to run update-grub afterwards [06:25] jadew: wich ubuntu release/nautilus version are you on? [06:29] lotuspsychje, 22.04 [06:29] nautilus (aka Files) 42.0 [06:30] fresh install or upgraded jadew [06:30] fresh [06:30] kk [06:30] I'm switching to something else, this thing is useless [06:31] maybe nemo [06:31] jadew: always-use-location-entry is what you want? [06:31] no, I believe that makes the location bar into a text box [06:32] you mean cltr+l ? [06:32] yeah [06:35] jadew: i can still trigger ctrl+l then add lets say computer to left pane favs [06:36] yeah, but if you have multiple disks they won't show up there, and if you fav them and they're not mounted you can't access them [06:37] sounds more like a mount issue then nautilus? [06:38] I don't want to automount everything [06:38] ravage: thanks. ill give that a try [06:45] installed Nemo [06:58] 𐀪𐀪 [07:03] Linux is quite stupid OS. And Ubuntu is too. Is it about Ubuntu, is it about systemd or Linux itself.. Why (oh why) system won't boot if it is not able to boot if ANY item in /etc/fstab is not available.. (like , external dataset volume on USB drive on top of ZFS that is not available on system boot..) . Same thing is for any other unmountable item in /etc/fstab.. [07:04] Plus on GRUB I promptly get to lodad ROOT priviledged prompt, without asking for root or user password! [07:04] So Ubuntu is UNSECURE by default, without GRUB password (I bet more then 99% of Ubuntu installations do not have set GRUB password) [07:05] nikolam, see the nobootwait and nofail fstab options. to protect your data use encryption [07:05] Plus Linux is in general stupid OS. Not able to mount one drive? Allright, I will just die! :(( [07:07] ravage, that is actually a great suggestion , thanks. Yet, default /etc/fstab options do not have such option set. Why even boot wait is a thing.. To ruin peopel's lives on desktop I suppose. [07:09] Quick question - has someone installed 22.04LTS successfully from a DVD? [07:10] MastusAR_webchat, in a VM yes [07:10] Yes, and plus, Ubuntu's OpenZFS implementation does not re-import external ZFS dataset on USB drive.. [07:10] I need to manually type zpool import every time. Or is it general messed up ZFSonLinux issue in general.. [07:10] nikolam, ZFS and removeable media are not a great combination. i would always manage those manually [07:11] ravage, pecisely. Issue is that Linux and Ubuntu and ZfsOnLinux can't do it automatically.. Really sad. [07:11] im sure it can [07:11] They mention some config files. For Zfs. That does not need any config files per se. [07:12] you just have to write a script for it with some udev rules [07:12] Well, 2 computers and 3 drives later the installer still hangs... I removed "quiet splash" from grub and multiple services seem to timeout and ultimately I get "Failed to start Ubuntu live CD installer" [07:12] i may have a USB DVD drive here but nothing to burn one. so i cant really test that [07:13] ravage, Yes, that is also great suggestion thanks. Except it is not applicable across milions of users. And the moment desktop user is asked to write "a script" to that external drive and FS would mount.. they will just go away. [07:13] Meanwhile the drive shoeshines like crazy, as some check is going on [07:13] nikolam, your usecase is limited. you are the first to mention that here at all [07:14] I put fsck.mode=skip in grub, and then the installation went fine [07:14] ZFS is an advanced option on the installer. so most users do not use it at all [07:14] MastusAR_webchat, the installer does a verification of the media. maybe that gets stuck. i cant test it with a real drive atm [07:15] ravage, If I ever had a bit of money people tell me "you are the first one to mention that" , especially on support services, trying to dissuade me from insisting on it, I would be a millioner :) [07:15] dont spend it all on drugs [07:15] lol [07:16] did you create a bug on that nikolam [07:16] i dont think thats a bug [07:16] there is just no ZFS automount [07:16] wishlist bug then? [07:16] ravage, ZFS in Ubuntu installer is actually not very useful. It as i last tried, to ultimately format whole drive, instead just creating a boot dataset and install in it.. Also booting solution is cumbersome to say ate least. (Not using nice Boot Environments.. ) [07:16] i wrote my own systemd script to do that. works fine :) [07:17] nikolam, not sure what you are asking for now. if you dont like Ubuntu at all use something else [07:17] lotuspsychje, youa re also very much right. I just first always come to discuss the issue. So I can get valuable feedback if I make sense. [07:18] if you want a general discussion see #ubuntu-discuss [07:19] can windows automount zfs? [07:19] ravage, and that is the scene from "I robot" movie, when hologram of the dead scientist says to investigator: And that , my dear friend is the right question. :) I think that real answer is trying to make it better. Bug reports and code contributions are better path , at least before hitting the wall :) [07:19] ravage, thanks [07:19] I reckon the disk and drive is fine (as it installs fine with the fsck.mode=skip and disk read test comes back fine). Most probably install from USB anyway, so I just thought to mention [07:20] raehta, Well, quality of software on Windows , at least open tehnologies and FSs is rather very bad. ZFS implementation on Windows is actually sadly still broken. [07:20] !ot [07:20] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [07:21] so, windows is also a stupid os. What about macos and zfs automounting? [07:21] stop it please raehta [07:21] MastusAR_webchat, well som FS's does not need fsck on boot. Some of them are as I recollect, XFS and OpenZFS and RiserFS [07:21] same for you nikolam [07:21] leave this support channel for ubuntu issues [07:23] nikolam, this regards installation from the iso-image with a DVD drive and empty HDD [07:25] There seems to be (possibly?) a incomplete bug report for same issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1962020 [07:25] Launchpad bug 1962020 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 22.04 codename — “Jammy Jellyfish” : failed to start Ubuntu live CD installer." [Undecided, Incomplete] [07:26] MastusAR_webchat: that bug doesnt contain much info at all, not really useful [07:27] I agree [07:27] MastusAR_webchat: see if you can find your bug amongst these; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 [07:29] Ubuntu has a problem giving root to anyone accessing GRUB console. anyone can get root access. No auto import of existing (USB) OpenZFS datasets. Proposed solutions are 1) Not using Ubuntu 2) Setting up GRUB password && posting bug report 3) using separate script for on-boot OpenZFS import/per pool 4) using /etc/fstab "nobootwait" option or post a bug report. 5) Every OS is stupid Os if user is not recognizing or solving issues [07:29] I think that summarize solutions.. [07:31] Well this was just to inform that there might be a issue with the installer timeoutting on a slow media. I'll check the bugtracker later, now off to the hardware store --> [07:34] somehow people always think this this IRC channel is a place to report bugs :( [07:36] ravage, well, place to report issues. And to see if they are bugs or not. It's all what support is about :) [07:37]