[02:29] <jrwren> https://balintreczey.hu/blog/firefox-on-ubuntu-22-04-from-deb-not-from-snap/
[02:29] <jrwren> good shit
[02:33] <mmance> Whats the deal with the one in Ubuntu's archive?
[12:31] <jrwren> it doesn't install anything, but instead installs a snap. snaps are bad
[12:57] <cmaloney> snaps are for when you want to run a data center for your applications
[13:01] <jrwren> what do you mean by that?
[13:08] <cmaloney> I mean each application is its own "machine"
[13:08] <cmaloney> with its own update schedule and dependencies and such
[13:10] <jrwren> ah, yup. got it.
[13:10] <jrwren> not to mention, you don't get much control over that schedule. don't want the new version? TOO BAD.
[13:12] <cmaloney> yeah
[13:16] <cmaloney> ttps://snapcraft.io/blog/how-to-manage-snap-updates
[13:17] <cmaloney> bah, insert an h in front if that
[13:17] <cmaloney> "you can delay for 60 days": you have recreated Wibdows update. well done.
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> lol
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> Also https://flatkill.org
[13:36] <Scary_Guy> About the only thing I actually like is appimage.
[13:56] <cmaloney> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/04/twitter-reportedly-set-to-accept-elon-musks-offer-to-buy-the-company/
[14:09] <Scary_Guy> "Changed my mind, now I don't want it" :P
[14:09] <Scary_Guy> Be hilarious, just messing with them.
[14:09] <Scary_Guy> Seriously though I wonder how many will leave/join the platform
[14:12] <cmaloney> Well, Mastodon.social has twice as many users using it now
[14:12] <cmaloney> and a lot of folks inquiring about it
[14:12] <cmaloney> so...
[14:39] <Scary_Guy> Well that's good I suppose.  At least it's a personal echo chamber instead of a walled garden.
[14:46] <cmaloney> you can make it whatever you want it to be
[14:48] <Scary_Guy> It depends on who wants to or is willing to connect with you.
[16:08] <jrwren> the best ubuntu variant shipped: https://blog.system76.com/post/682519660741148672/popos-2204-lts-has-landed?utm_source=newsletter_pop&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=popos_22.04_release_blog&mc_cid=547b59b2d4&mc_eid=47463d15eb  ;)
[16:52] <mmance> I don't run ubuntu, I was here because I read the Michigan LUG hangs out here.
[16:52] <mmance> am here
[16:52] <cmaloney> No worries.
[16:52] <cmaloney> We talk about everything and anything
[16:53] <cmaloney> There's also a MUG IRC channel, but that is pretty sparse for discussion
[16:53] <cmaloney> also a Matrix channel on gitter.im
[16:53] <mmance> I have my own matrix server, but as far as the rooms go, I prefer irc
[16:53] <cmaloney> me too
[16:53] <mmance> I use mine as a inhouse replacement for signal
[16:54] <mmance> Mostly video calls and some group video chat
[16:56] <mmance> What LUG are you a member of cmaloney?
[16:56] <cmaloney> MUG
[16:56] <cmaloney> and WFTL LUG, but that's more of an online group with Marcel Gagne
[16:57] <mmance> I went to a MUG meeting as a kid.
[16:58] <mmance> like 25 years ago
[16:58] <cmaloney> We're still online each month
[16:58] <cmaloney> heh, that's before my time
[16:58] <cmaloney> (I got involved with MUG in the 2000s)
[16:58] <mmance> I grew up in Farmington Hills, I think we met at the library.
[16:59] <cmaloney> we did
[16:59] <mmance> I was not into linux or unix at that time.  I was a MS guy.
[16:59] <cmaloney> unfortunately we no longer meet at the library because of the pandemic and because we no longer have a reliable member who lives / works in FH
[17:02] <mmance> What format/software does the meetings use? 
[17:02] <cmaloney> We have a paid instance of Jitsi on 88x.vc
[17:02] <cmaloney> 8x8.vc, rather
[17:03] <cmaloney> I used to self-host Jitsi but it was a pain in the arse.
[17:13] <mmance> I was just readed what Jitsi I am using.  I am using the free one, meet.element.io
[17:14] <mmance> What was the pain from?
[17:20] <cmaloney> I would have had to upgrade from 18.04 to a newer version of Ubuntu to get the right dependencies
[17:20] <cmaloney> and getting things situated the first time was a combination of trial-and-error
[17:20] <cmaloney> in the end I'm happier paying someone to keep things up-to-date
[17:21] <cmaloney> plus I was paying Linode for a beefier box to host it
[17:21] <mmance> I just switched to hetzner.
[17:22] <mmance> I got a Ryzen 5 3600 w/ 64GB ram 512nvme $40/mo
[17:22] <mmance> That is really hard to beat
[17:22] <cmaloney> We used it for our MUG meetings as well, so there was also the added stress of keeping it running
[17:23] <cmaloney> if it's just for me then who cares, but since I was providing a service it added another layer of stress
[17:23] <cmaloney> so paying 8x8.vc for hosting made more sense to me
[17:23] <mmance> ok
[17:23] <cmaloney> I don't have to care, and I'm getting a hosted Jitsi instance.
[17:24] <mmance> I use containers for everything, so dependencies just get integrated into the container
[17:24] <mmance> I have been using docker up until now, but I am sold on jails and have been slowly migrating
[17:25] <mmance> I just recently took a few classes on zfs and I am so hooked
[17:25] <cmaloney> nice
[19:49] <Scary_Guy> I still haven no clue about ZFS, I just know Ubuntu uses it now and that's what is on my media center.  Seems to work great.  I just recently migrated from XTF4 to BTRFS.
[19:49] <Scary_Guy> Well, more like backed up and reformatted
[19:53] <greg-g> <obligatory elongated muskrat and chirping site comment>
[20:02] <cmaloney> heh
[20:02] <cmaloney> My Mastodon account has exploded
[20:02] <cmaloney> And seeing some familiar faces from G+ on dice.camp
[20:02] <cmaloney> I hope Elon chokes on his leveraged buyout
[20:04] <greg-g> it's funny, I am in season 2 of Succession where one of the main plot lines is around leveraged buy-outs
[20:05] <greg-g> It is definitely a guilty pleasure of mine
[20:05] <greg-g> all the characters are bad people almost by definition, but it's well written in that you can see little bits of humanity every now and then (not always!) for each of them.
[20:07] <greg-g> I feel like jrwren would like it ^ :)
[20:10] <Scary_Guy> I hope he buys Facebook next and destroys that.  I'd also say Netflix but they're doing a good enough job of that themselves.
[20:10] <greg-g> the high seas await!
[20:11] <Scary_Guy> I mean I usually don't speak of such things on this network.  I have other places for that.
[20:12] <jrwren> I'll have to watch Succession. I do love business.
[20:12] <jrwren> But I don't know if I like fictional shows about it.
[20:12] <Scary_Guy> Pine64 has their IRC, Matrix, and Discord all bridged together.  It's neat.
[20:12] <jrwren> more fun is just obsession over finance.yahoo.com everyday ;)
[20:13] <Scary_Guy> Whatever makes me more money.  I'm hoodrich, but I'd prefer to be actualrich.
[20:13] <jrwren> I wish I was anyrich
[20:13] <Scary_Guy> Well you're not destitute so you're doing something right.
[20:13] <jrwren> hahaha... but I just went to https://finance.yahoo.com and I'm laughing at todays charts.
[20:13] <jrwren> cu zI'm in sane.
[20:15] <Scary_Guy> I prefer https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=sec
[20:16] <greg-g> I'm a boglehead, I try not to look at charts :)
[20:17] <Scary_Guy> https://newsmap-js.herokuapp.com I combine it with that.  One on each monitor makes for fun eyecandy.
[21:34] <jrwren> that is a cool app
[21:51] <Scary_Guy> Which one?  Or just the layout in general?  There was also WinDirStat back in the day or whatever that did a similar thing with all the files on your system.  There's a Gnome recreation of that too that I can't remember the name of.
[21:52] <Scary_Guy> Disk Usage Analyzer is the friendly name.
[21:54] <Scary_Guy> https://github.com/shundhammer/qdirstat No it was this
[22:43] <mmance> Or if you like cli ncdu