[14:26] <BrianHechinger[m> I think I need to find a new audio device. This isn't working. :(
[14:43] <BrianHechinger[m> USB-C based interfaces are just the same issues as USB 2.0/3.0 using C instead of the older connector?
[15:02] <BrianHechinger[m> I mean, just looking around here my options are USB, 500+ euro firewire/pcie or this thing which I'm a bit weary of: https://www.thomann.de/intl/esi_maya44_ex.htm
[17:53] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerks: Did you see my musings?
[18:10] <OvenWerks> somewhat. BrianHechinger[m I don't know what to suggest. Many of the "USB3" devices are USB2.0 audio via USB3
[18:12] <BrianHechinger[m> Yeah, but what about 3.1/3.2/etc? Still probably just USB2 devices? I'm half tempted to take a chance on that maya44, but I don't see where the headphone jack is they claim it has and I'm also not 100% sure on if it's supported or not.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> There are some that are effectively PCIe over USB3 That might be better. But the reality is that audio interfaces are not cheap unless you are doing USB1.1 2/2 i/o 16 bit
[18:15] <OvenWerks> I was wondering what I was going to do in my "next" computer when I may not have PCI slots for my delta 66. But now I have a PCIe FW card and FW interface, that will last me for the forseeable future
[18:16] <OvenWerks> I was looking at the audioscience devices (PCIe) but they are pricey
[18:20] <OvenWerks> The other option coming down the road (also not cheap) are the enet protocols: aes67, dante and AVB.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> So far as I know, all these do use more cpu to work, at least with Linux but I think other OS have similar problems.
[18:43] <OvenWerks> These also require an specific NIC to work well (aes67 and dante will work with any NIC but still work better with an i210 NIC)
[19:36] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerks: I just wish this one I had worked better. Another issue I have is availability over here. Much harder to find anything let along cheap used stuff.
 "There are some that are effectiv..." <- Have anything to point me at to learn more about this PCIe over USB3 thing?
[19:52] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: most of what I know about USB3 is rumours  :)
[19:53] <BrianHechinger[m> It's hard to find any good actual information
[19:53] <BrianHechinger[m> how about a RME Hammerfall DSP Multiface?
[19:53] <BrianHechinger[m> (not the II, the original one)
[19:53] <BrianHechinger[m> it's a little more than I'd like to pay, but.....
[19:53] <BrianHechinger[m> Although it's on a website called holy dog water, so I'm a bit skeptical. ;-
[19:54] <BrianHechinger[m> s/;-/:-D/
[19:54] <OvenWerks> The RME stuff is _not_ supported on Linux
[19:55] <BrianHechinger[m> Boo!
[19:55] <BrianHechinger[m> This maya44 is looking like the best option.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> Even the USB 2 stuff is not fully USB2.0 so far as I know. I think they work (get audio in and out) but settings don't
[19:56] <OvenWerks> Have you looked on the Ardour discourse?
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I think I saw someone asking about those on there
[19:57] <BrianHechinger[m> Actually, it doesn't look hopeful for support
[19:57] <BrianHechinger[m> at least not by ALSA
[19:59] <BrianHechinger[m> Geeze, it looks like the USB Maya44 isn't even well supported
[19:59] <BrianHechinger[m> yeah, nevermind
[19:59] <OvenWerks> The thing to look for is macos/iOS support
[20:04] <BrianHechinger[m> The ethernet thing is interesting
[20:04] <BrianHechinger[m> I never really knew that was a thing
[20:04] <BrianHechinger[m> Not cheap, but not horrifically expensive either
[20:06] <OvenWerks> Dante is pretty much the default standard but is closed. Dante will work with aes67 or AVB(I hear it works with AVB anyway)
[20:06] <BrianHechinger[m> Although you do get a bit less for the money.
[20:07] <BrianHechinger[m> It's a lot of money to get more than simple things.
[20:07] <BrianHechinger[m> This MOTU Audio Express looks nice, but 400 pounds. 😭
[20:08] <OvenWerks> A lot of the network protocols expect you to use a USB or PCIe to network devices.
[20:08] <BrianHechinger[m> Which I could do easily enough
[20:09] <BrianHechinger[m> I just don't get some of the things I want down in my price range
[20:09] <BrianHechinger[m> even that motu unit offers way more input/output than any of the ethernet devices in that price range.
[20:10] <OvenWerks> Welcome to proaudio... it's kind of like anything with the word marine in it, the word ProAudio adds $$
[20:11] <OvenWerks> Once in a while those extra $$ actually get you something
[20:22] <BrianHechinger[m> I think basically what it comes down to is screw it I'm stealing the Komplete Audio 6 back from the kid's computer. As soon as I figure out what to replace it with because these stupid HDMI audio extractors don't work on the 1080 or 1070.
[20:35] <BrianHechinger[m> I really want to stick with a firewire interface but unless i can magically get this one to work it isn't looking likely
[20:37] <BrianHechinger[m> Or a PCIe one but those are even more unlikely. 🤣
[20:39] <OvenWerks> The PCIe ones are mostly used by Broadcast.
[20:42] <BrianHechinger[m> My friend will be in the US for two weeks. Not sure if that's enough time to snag something though.
[20:43] <BrianHechinger[m> My biggest issue is availability over here. It's really annoying.
[21:01] <BrianHechinger[m> The other annoying thing is it doesn't matter that I'm looking for FireWire Google keeps showing me USB crap
[21:02] <OvenWerks> Almost all companies that used to make FW devices have replaced them with USB
[21:14] <BrianHechinger[m> That doesn't excuse Google showing me USB devices even i search FireWire. 😜
[21:18] <BrianHechinger[m> s/even/when/, s/i/I/
[21:19] <OvenWerks> Google = page 3 plus before any hits start to make sense
[21:20] <OvenWerks> selling rank sucks
[22:20] <BrianHechinger[m> Dude, that's totally the secret
[22:21] <BrianHechinger[m> Focusrite Saffire Pro good support?
[22:21] <BrianHechinger[m> 60€ for a 24, 120€ for a 26
[22:28] <BrianHechinger[m> 40 for 150€