[00:01] <Urk> sarnold:  It didn't work.  This is what I got on my screen https://paste.debian.net/1239137/
[00:01] <Urk> sarnold:  I am getting some functionality with Chrome, but Firefox needs to be killed.
[00:01] <leftyfb> reboot
[00:02] <Urk> leftyfb:  I was able to get firefox killed, and the problem has resolved.
[00:02] <Urk> Don't need to reboot.
[00:02] <sarnold> Urk: rofl
[00:02] <Urk> What is rofl?
[00:07] <ravage> Urk, what about a simple reboot?
[00:07] <ravage> kill -9 `pgrep firefox`
[00:07] <jcassey[m]> rolling on the floor laughing
[00:07] <ravage> should terminate firefox
[00:09] <Urk> I just ended up running the killall firefox command, and that fixed it.
[00:09] <waltman> Hi all. Just wondering if there's any update on when the issue upgrading from 21.10 to 22.04 will be fixed? (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668)
[00:10] <Urk> ravage:  Usually you don't need to reboot to kill running processes.
[00:34] <kryten> waltman: It seems LP bug 1969162 is the reason why the availability of the upgrade was delayed, so it should be made possible soon.
[00:36] <waltman> kryten: Cool, thanks!
[01:23] <linsux> is it okay to remove snap-firefox and snapd, and install firefox from firefox website of firefox.deb?
[01:24] <linsux> will i be blamed if i use firefox.deb instead of firefox.snap
[01:24] <leftyfb> linsux: it's unsupported here
[01:24] <linsux> firefox.deb?
[01:24] <leftyfb> correct
[01:24] <leftyfb> linsux: there should be little to no reason for not using the snap
[01:25] <linsux> snap taking up space
[01:25] <linsux> i prefer flatpak over snap
[01:25] <linsux> if i had to
[01:27] <leftyfb> linsux: the firefox snap takes up 291M
[01:35] <leftyfb> I have no need to ever install a flatpak, but I can tell you since flatpak is essentially the same thing, it's going to be just as big, if not bigger, be less secure with less performance and not supported here
[01:47] <eelstrebor> why doesn't do-release-upgrade work to upgrade to 22.04?
[01:47] <leftyfb> !ltsupgrade | eelstrebor
[01:48] <eelstrebor> thanks
[04:01] <yates_home> what's the debian channel name?
[04:03] <mybalzitch> #debian ?
[05:27] <Jasonwiz> hello guys
[06:45] <en11gma> by using ubuntu 22.04 do we have to use snaps? i dont really care for that stuff. i like to build my own packages sometimes and i never liked snaps. with my experience they never work as good as non-snaps. so with 22.04 we have to use snaps? i followed a remove snap stuff for 22.04 but then i went to reinstall my web browser but both firefox and chromium are both snaps. cant we pick non-snap
[06:45] <en11gma> packages at least?
[06:46] <en11gma> it reinstalled the snap firfox when i thought i disabled snap service from ever being used but i guess that didnt happen because it just re-installed snap again
[06:47] <alkisg> en11gma: see last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1962021
[06:47] <ksy> arch is better
[06:47] <thingfish> en11gma: there is a way to get the non-snap Firefox.
[06:47] <Bashing-om> en11gma: Yeah - there is a .deb PPA for FF - and I use slimjet as a chromium spin.
[06:48] <en11gma> yea but i seen chromium was the same also. is this going to be the way it is from now on with all packages that are super poplular espicially
[06:48] <thingfish> one kind of wonders, though, if this is the right distro for people not wanting snaps.
[06:48] <en11gma> i def do not want snaps
[06:49] <guiverc> en11gma, you don't have to use snaps if you don't want to... snaps do have benefits (security for browsers) but you're not forced to use them
[06:49] <en11gma> that sucks if this is true
[06:49] <Tacoder> you can actually remove em
[06:49] <Tacoder> just get the list of which ones are installed
[06:49] <en11gma> i did remove them per this tutorial. https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-disable-firefox-snap-package-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/#:~:text=Look%20through%20the%20list%20of,Ubuntu%2022.04%20LTS%20computer%20system.
[06:50] <en11gma> i did it exactly like the tut
[06:51] <en11gma> if you put this in google its the first link "ubuntu 22.04 remove snap"
[06:51] <Tacoder> that tutorial only gets rid of FF
[06:52] <Tacoder> if you issue the command "snap list" you will see which ones are installed
[06:52] <en11gma> that tutorial gets rid of every snap package and snap and creates a text file to perm disable snap. i thought but as soon as i run 'sudo apt install firefox' it reinstalled snap
[06:53] <en11gma> 1 sec i think i gave wrong link
[06:53] <en11gma> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/remove-snap-block-ubuntu-2204/
[06:53] <en11gma> sorry about that. thats the guide to remove snap
[06:53] <en11gma> and the default snap packages for 22.04
[06:54] <Tacoder> oh thats way better but theres files asociated with snap that you may want to get rid of
[06:54] <Tacoder> and block snap from comming back
[06:54] <Tacoder> but thats a good start
[06:54] <en11gma> brb. toddler
[07:00] <en11gma> he loves bob the train chocolate lane.
[07:01] <en11gma> so what happens when you come across a package that says only snap when you do a 'apt search'? it dont show an alternate way to install it and instead of not installing it re-installs snap
[07:02] <en11gma> just like chromium and firefox. i cannot believe those do not have alternate option. like when you remove snap and i do a apt search it should not show results at all for snap packages
[07:02] <Tacoder> yes that will happen
[07:02] <en11gma> whats going on here? :) i thought you could only install snap packages from the snap store
[07:03] <Tacoder> it can actually happen when you do apt update xD
[07:03] <en11gma> snap got incorporated with apt?
[07:03] <en11gma> oh noooo
[07:03] <Tacoder> thats what happened to me when got rid of FF the first time
[07:03] <en11gma> oh so thats not normal behavior. thank-god
[07:05] <guiverc> It's my understanding you can put a hold that prevents snap from installing; but that will prevent some Ubuntu features too (eg. it may prevent you from release-upgrading when that's due; more of a problem if you forget what holds you placed on your system for example..)
[07:06] <Tacoder> indeed guiverc
[07:06] <Tacoder> and prevent gnome also from getting patches
[07:07] <Tacoder> snap is deeply tied to ubuntu on its core
[07:07] <guiverc> I mostly use flavors, where it's not key  (Ubuntu-MATE is one flavor that benefits from snap)
[07:07] <Tacoder> BUT! you can actually get rid of snap and replace it for flatpak if you feel more inclined to it
[07:08] <Tacoder> or if you want to put extra effort you can actually replace everything for good ol fashioned packages
[07:08] <Tacoder> but updating manually from time to time
[07:09] <Tacoder> ubuntu mate has the welcome app and store running as uncontained snaps
[07:09] <Tacoder> they highly benefit from the changes on the snap images
[07:09] <Tacoder> i agree
[07:10] <Tacoder> omg 2am i have to catch some rest bye bye
[07:10] <en11gma> oh no
[07:10] <en11gma> thanks for the info Tacoder
[07:12] <Tacoder> you are welcome i was able to tell you about it because i actually got rid of snap myself xD and created a few block scripts here and there to block it from a stealthy reaturn
[07:12] <Tacoder> and installed flatpack and appimage instead
[07:12] <Tacoder> good night
[08:27] <bj0rn> ive been away from irc so long i didnt even know about the freenode debacle
[08:27] <bj0rn> anyway im trying to set up a sort of kiosk type system with ubuntu desktop
[08:28] <ogra> bj0rn, a simple browser kiosk ?
[08:28] <bj0rn> and i was wondering how to set up gdm's autologin to keep logging in if the session ends for whatever reason
[08:31] <ogra> bj0rn, theer sia dedicated system (admittedly more used in professional environments like digital signage, PoS systems and machine IUs but works also well for non professional use) see: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/secure-ubuntu-kiosk
[08:32] <ogra> *there is a
[08:46] <fdai5969> e
[08:47] <confuseus> i have installed ubuntu 22.04 but i am having this annoying thing with chromium. it appears to "disappear or ghost" its open status from the dock time and again. see that here https://imgur.com/a/wg70lbV is open but it does not have a dot showing that it is open (like firefox which is also open).
[08:52] <gordonjcp> confuseus: yes, and then when you click on it, it opens a new window instead of bringing the old ones to the foreground?  Occasionally I'm getting that with Firefox too
[08:52] <gordonjcp> confuseus: I haven't a solution for it, it's just you're not the only one seeing it
[08:53] <confuseus> gordonjcp: yes. exactly
[08:53] <gordonjcp> confuseus: it was doing it and now it is not doing it, either an update fixed it or it got confused about something, no idea
[08:54] <ogra> confuseus, there is a snapd feature missing in 22.04 (that will come the next weeks) which stops snapd from upgrading running apps ... you can enable it manually though to prevent your browser from being updated in the background
[08:55] <ogra> confuseus, "sudo snap set core experimental.refresh-app-awareness=true" ... then you get a notification instead of a silent upgrade which can make the browser crash
[08:55] <gordonjcp> ogra: I wonder if that's what the issue was, it might have seen "old" firefox and not realised it was not a different app
[08:57] <ogra> gordonjcp, it is a known issue (and is the reason why that option was implemented, it was just not ready by release day but will land soon)
[08:59] <confuseus> ogra: ok. does that mean it is upgrading when it removes the status from the dock? in my experience, it never shows  the online status unless i close it and open it again. i just want to be able to see open apps on the doc. otherwise, i feel it might be doing something sinister behind the background
[09:00] <ogra> confuseus, the icon in the dock "blinks" when the new icon is installed with an upgrade ...
[09:01] <gordonjcp> ogra: makes sense, good to know it's a known thing and it's not a big deal really
[09:01] <ogra> (old icon goes away, new icon is put in place, that makes it disappear for a split second)
[09:03] <confuseus> ogra: in my case, the app icon is showing on the dock but the "dot" on the left of it that shows that it is "open" is not.
[09:03] <ogra> confuseus, h, perhaps your machine is faster or the new gnome is compensating the flashing somehow
[09:03] <gordonjcp> confuseus: if you close and reopen Chromium it'll probably come back
[09:05] <confuseus> yes it will but every time it  disappears i will have to close it and open it again for the status to show. that does not sound right.
[09:05] <ogra> confuseus, wll, just run the comamnd i gave above and see if it gets better
[09:07] <confuseus> thanks, i will.
[09:15] <ogra> confuseus, oh and btw "snap changes" (and for details "snap change <ID>") is helpful to see if there was actually an update recently
[09:20] <confuseus> yes. there was an auto refresh  for it sometime today.
[09:27] <bj0rn> im reading about how to use ubuntu frame
[09:27] <bj0rn> how can i set up a graphical snap to run automatically as a kiosk with ubuntu frame
[09:27] <bj0rn> one that isnt already a kiosk snap
[09:28] <bj0rn> i was wanting to try to install the retroarch snap as a kiosk and have it run automatically on boot
[09:29] <bj0rn> theres a tutorial on how to turn a regular native application into a snap but this one is already a snap so can i just like modify it to run as a daemon or whatever?
[09:58] <ogra> bj0rn, ah, if it is a desktop app there is indeed some re-packing needed .... looks like the snap source is at https://github.com/libretro/retroarch-snap
[09:59] <ogra> so you can just base on this, modify it and use the snapcraft snap to build it ...
[10:01] <bj0rn> another question i have, which is kind of a dumb one, is if i want to run ubuntu core on just a plain old x86-64 pc, how do i install it
[10:01] <bj0rn> because im trying to use the core image with rufus on a usb drive but i cant get it to boot
[10:02] <ogra>  normally yuo'd just use dd to write it to the usb drive ... to install to an internal disk i'd bot a live image and dd the core image from there to the internal disk
[10:02] <ogra> (god, my typing is awful today)
[10:02] <bj0rn> i acnt just boot from the usb drive and install it that way
[10:02] <bj0rn> ?
[10:03] <ogra> there is no installer (yet) as i said above, Core is mortly used in professional environments where you have factory imaging processes and such
[10:03] <ogra> *mostly
[10:03] <bj0rn> ah well i guess screw that, ill just use server for what i want to do
[10:04] <ogra> you can use ubuntu-frame on server too ...
[10:04] <bj0rn> yeah thats what i mean
[10:04] <ogra> (there are tutorials for this as well i think)
[10:04] <bj0rn> basically im just trying to turn an old optiplex mini pc into an emulation console
[10:05] <ogra> yeah, i got that by now 🙂
[10:05] <bj0rn> and the popular way of doing this is with lakka but i think lakka is terrible personally and running games/emulators as root without sandboxing is a dumb idea
[10:10] <LIV|milkshake> Hello after certain updates, I can no longer paste/move/open steam games in other partition apart from /home .
[10:10] <ogra> bj0rn, if oyu are into such stuff you might enjoy this https://diode.zone/w/vLDQ8PU16gDYsDSfwqJGug ... :)
[10:11] <LIV|milkshake> a steam said something about disk write error, and a XDM (download manager) said cannot append files once finish downloaded
[10:11] <ogra> LIV|milkshake, sunds like your disk is full ?
[10:11] <LIV|milkshake> Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS here
[10:12] <LIV|milkshake> ogra: no, /dev/sda2 has 300GB free space left
[10:12] <bj0rn> well if i have ubuntu-frame running as a daemon and its running at startup, how can i make a gui application run in that
[10:13] <ogra> bj0rn, snap it ... ther are tutorials how to turn a packaged desktop app into a kiosk one for ubuntu-frame
[10:13] <ogra> (when you follow the tutorials the app should run as a daemon and use ubuntu-frame for displaying)
[10:15] <zibolo> Hello all, I want to install ubuntu on an existing BTRFS parition encrypted with LUKS. I can not format the BTRFS partition. Is it sufficient to manually unlock the partition before launchin the installer (and then proceed with manual parititioning)?
[10:16] <bj0rn> how do i unpack an existing snap and change the yaml file
[10:16] <bj0rn> i cant find any documentation on how to do that
[10:16] <bj0rn> in fact im finding very little documentation about how to do anything with snap using google
[10:16] <bj0rn> or ubuntu core
[10:23] <LIV|milkshake> ogra: perhaps something to look for in this? "/dev/sda2 on /media/adik/New Volume type fuseblk (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[10:33] <Jasonwiz> hello guys
[10:35] <imi> hi, I have an email with a html attachment. when I try to open that file from thunderbird with firefox it doesn't work (it's obviously a snap related issue, snap packagaes doesn't use the regular /tmp from rootfs) how do I fix this? Or how do I report this?
[10:35] <ogra> bj0rn, try https://discourse.ubuntu.com/tag/ubuntu-frame
[10:37] <imi> also I like to save files from firefox to /tmp
[11:00] <ogra> imi, for security reasons snaps use their own confined /tmp ... i think firefox uses ~/Downloads/firefox.tmp as shared one though ... perhaps you can point things there
[11:03] <ogra> imi, to report bugs for the FF or TB snaps check the contact url in "snap info firefox" (or "snap info thunderbird")
[11:07] <imi> well, I want this to be fixed
[11:07] <imi> it's a usability issue
[11:08] <imi> I click open this attachment and it says file not found
[11:09] <ogra> right, either file it on one of the bugtrackers or open a topic at https://forum.snapcraft.io since this is by design it might need a more in-depth discussion (adding a file share interface that both snaps could connect to or some such)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:30] <bj0rn> alright so back to the original question i asked before getting sidetracked into snaps and all that nonsense
[11:30] <bj0rn> is there a way to make gdm autologin after logging out
[11:31] <bj0rn> i have autologin enabled but it only autologins once
[11:31] <bj0rn> if the session ends its back to the login screen
[11:32] <bj0rn> how do i make it always autologin
[11:57] <WeeBey> Hello frens. I have a ubuntu server vps and I'm trying to disable the root account. I made an admin account. Can sudo just fine. I use ssh keys to log in and passwords are disabled on ssh. I tried permitrootlogin no and I can still log in as root. I tried changing the root passwd to * and I can still log in. I did restart ssh. Any better tips?
[11:59] <WeeBey> Should I just change the root's shell?
[11:59] <ogra> try: sudo passwd -l root
[12:01] <WeeBey> ogra, oh I tried that too. I was still able to log in through ssh. I don't imagine I need to restart the system or a service?
[12:01] <ogra> WeeBey, no, that shuld actually disable roots password completely
[12:01] <WeeBey> let me try again.
[12:02] <WeeBey> It still works. I received this after running it: passwd: password expiry information changed.
[12:02] <ogra> (and you should see an exclamation mark in the second field (password) of roots account in /etc/shadow)
[12:03] <WeeBey> ogra, i still see my long hash.
[12:03] <WeeBey> Strange.
[12:03] <ogra> WeeBey, hmm, try sudo passwd -dl root then
[12:04] <ogra> (-d is delete)
[12:04] <ogra> (and -l is lock)
[12:04] <WeeBey> :-) I was just looking it up in the man.
[12:05] <WeeBey> It still works!
[12:06] <WeeBey> but now I do see the root password changed to !
[12:06] <WeeBey> It must be cos I had set up ssh keys for root
[12:06] <ogra> oh, yeah ... drop them indeed
[12:07] <WeeBey> How do I do this? I'm a bit newbie at this. To set them up, I passed them from my local computer
[12:08] <ogra> they should be somewhere in /root/.ssh
[12:08] <ogra> you look for "authorized_keys" IIRC
[12:09] <WeeBey> Ah, yes. Ok. Simple enough. I had done that once.
[12:09] <ogra> but i guess yu could also just remove the whole dir as well ...
[12:09] <WeeBey> Ok, so now ssh prompts for a root password. However, it has no password. And ssh doesn't allow root login. So One can never enter, right?
[12:09] <ogra> yeah
[12:10] <WeeBey> Ah ok. I thought it would just give a "no account found" type of thing. So this does not reduce the noise in bot login attempts, but they can't succeed.
[12:11] <WeeBey> Cool. +1 admin xp for me! Thank you ogra :-)
[12:11] <ogra> if you did set "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restart the sshd service it should not ask for  a password
[12:12] <WeeBey> oh. ok, strange. i'll double check.
[12:12] <WeeBey> doh.
[12:12] <WeeBey> i added it in ssh_config
[12:12] <ogra> heh, common mistake 🙂
[12:13] <WeeBey> no wonder. I changed the port as a way to reduce noise and it was still on22. lol
[12:13] <ogra> hah
[12:14] <rud0lf> WeeBey: check out ssh tarpit :)
[12:14] <rud0lf> it's easy to google it out
[12:14] <ogra> you will likely still get connection attempts that fill your auth.log though ... install fail2ban to reject locations that do this extensively
[12:15] <ravage> for ssh its really "sudo apt install fail2ban" and you are done :)
[12:15] <WeeBey> Oh cool! That's awesome.
[12:16] <WeeBey> I'm running a vps to learn to secure things a bit better. So this is great. Thank you ogra and rud0lf and ravage.
[12:16] <rud0lf> i think he needs to tweak fail2ban config if port is different than default
[12:16] <WeeBey> ogra, I get permission denied (publickey) now. yay.
[12:16] <ogra> great !
[12:16] <ravage> i dont think he changed any port. he would not get that many attempts then
[12:16]  * WeeBey hax0rman
[12:17] <WeeBey> no, not yet. I had tried and did it on ssh_config then set it back. I realize now that both changes did nothing. haha.
[12:19] <WeeBey> Another question, perhaps, if you have the patience. I only access this vm on SSH. But it's running Server 18.04.6 LTS. I could do a release upgrade, but It warns me that I'm on SSH. How concerned should I be about upgrading?
[12:19] <Vuurdraak> Q: I just installed Ubuntu 22.04, does this version automaticly detect there is an UPS, (I have not installed the UPS software yet) or is the 100% batery just there anyway and only ment for laptops ?.?
[12:20] <Vuurdraak> And another question i'm missing "create link" in nautilus when right clicking on a folder/file, is there an option to turn this on somewhere  or do i need to manulay cli make them ?
[12:22] <WeeBey> Vuurdraak, link is missing? weird. You can try holding alt when you drag, but I realize that's not your question.
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> oww alt drag and then say make a link
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> sad that i need to open two windows first for that, but that at least saves me from going to the CLI ty
[12:24] <WeeBey> maybe alt + right click gives you create link? I haven't tried.
[12:25] <Vuurdraak> no i dont see that option
[12:26] <Vuurdraak> I also need to recreate the empty document trick, to be able to make a new empty text file, as that was cut out of 18.04 :')
[12:26] <Vuurdraak> I hate it's not there, as I use txt files a quick notes on my desktop for instance
[12:28] <WeeBey> I use $touch file.txt but, yeah, I guess it's not on the file browser.
[12:29] <Vuurdraak> found it already :) -> touch ~/Templates/Empty\ Document
[12:34] <Vuurdraak> brb need to test something
[12:37] <jhek> Is there a parallel version of locale-gen? It seems like a job that would parallelize wonderfully, and it's quite frustrating to wait for localegen when doing apt-get upgrade I did find an old ticket in Arch Linux' bug tracker but I'm not sure if it their proposed version is out there (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36955)
[12:39] <ravage> what about configuring only the locales you need? i use 2
[12:46] <Vuurdraak> Interesting in Ubuntu 18.04 (which is in legacy mode) grub finds memtest86+ & windows 10 & the freshly installed Ubuntu 22.04 (UEFI) but grub in Ubuntu 22.04 only sees both Ubuntu's but not memtest or windows
[12:47] <jhek> ravage: Yes, that's true, unfortunately we need a few for various reasons. Although even if you only had two, a parallel version would still cut waiting times by a theoretical upper bound of 50% :)
[12:47] <ioria> Vuurdraak, os_probe is disabled on 22.04
[12:48] <Vuurdraak> oke ?.? so I need tell grub in 22 something extra to probe ?
[12:48] <ioria> Vuurdraak, try GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub
[12:49] <Vuurdraak> @ioria, thank you
[12:49] <ioria> Vuurdraak, and run sudo update-grub
[12:50] <Vuurdraak> booting to 22
[12:52] <ioria> jhek, well, that implementation does the same thing (remove old locale dir and locale-archive before generating new ones)
[12:57] <jhek> ioria: It would seem that Gentoo does also have a version which can generate the locales in parallel: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/locale-gen.git/tree/locale-gen
[12:59] <Vuurdraak> Dispite it saying this: Warning: os-prober will be executed to detect other bootable partitions.... It doesn't find Windows interesting , I'm not sure if Windows 10 is in UEFI mode by default, but installed before there was an UEFI partition as demanded by Ubuntu 22.04 when I installed that in UEFI mode, and it ignores windows now ?
[13:00] <Vuurdraak> I can switch what drive grub needs to start from and get windows back though
[13:00] <Vuurdraak> by using the Ubuntu 18.04grub
[13:02] <Vuurdraak> It's also funny how memtest86+ is recognized but it's refused from grub, I guess the 18.04 grub is in started in legacy mode, but can boot the uefi stuff, but not the other way around (as the mobo auto switches between legacy and uefi as needed)
[13:03] <Vuurdraak> not sure though if 22.04 actualy boots from the 18.04 grub, mmm lets test
[13:03] <ravage> if windows is in uefi mode your bios will show it on the uefi boot manager as an option
[13:05] <Vuurdraak> Oke 22.04 boots from the 18.04 just fine ;')
[13:05] <Vuurdraak> 18.04 grub*
[13:15] <Vuurdraak> I have no clue what happened, but now doing an "sudo update-grub" found windows 10 ?.?
[13:16] <Vuurdraak> only extra things in between done where booting to win 10 from the 18.04 menu, and trying to install  "sudo apt install os-prober" which i was told was already there
[13:16] <Vuurdraak> no clue what just happened but now magicaly has found windows in 22.04
[13:18] <Vuurdraak> mmm booting to test what just happened
[13:22] <Vuurdraak> Mmmmaybe I didn't boot after altering etc/default/grub , and only after I booted it started to dected the other stuff ?.?
[13:23] <Vuurdraak> Even though it said it was trying to detect stuff first time, and then failed ? Ah well what ever, it's detecting everything now.
[13:23] <Vuurdraak> Thanks for the tips
[13:37] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[13:38] <Sven_vB> where can I read which bugs in xdotool will been fixed by upgrading from focal to jammy?
[13:41] <daridranath> Hello!
[13:42] <Vuurdraak> Oke I discovered whats going on, when I set the BIOS to boot from Legacy GRUB 18.04 menu on a SATA drive and boot to Ubuntu 22.04 it will detect Windows and Memtest86+ and add it to grub on my NVMe drive, but when I say to the BIOS to boot GRUB from the NVMe drive and run "sudo update-grub" it no longer detects windows and refuses memtest86+ , as if when it boots from the SATA grub it's in legacy mod4e ?.? and other wise boots in UEFI mode ?.?
[13:43] <daridranath> I need help regarding SATA use in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[13:45] <ogra> Sven_vB, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xdotool/xdotool_3.20160805.1-4/changelog ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdotoolhas the two versions to compare
[13:45] <Sven_vB> ogra, thanks!
[13:45] <daridranath> I need help regarding SATA use in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[13:45] <Vuurdraak> @daridranath, what kind of SATA use ?
[13:46] <daridranath> Lord, SATA is not working. The speed of the computer seems slow.
[13:46] <Acheron> Vuurdraak, please reference this: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[13:46] <daridranath> I think SATA is not working.
[13:47] <ogra> Sven_vB, though it looks like it has not changed since
[13:47] <Acheron> Vuurdraak, there is a fix posted.  please use that
[13:47] <ravage> if SATA is not working you cant boot the system
[13:47] <Sven_vB> ogra, yeah, I was confused by that appearance
[13:47] <daridranath> SATA is working... but ATA is enabled I think.
[13:47] <Sven_vB> ogra, at least then I know it's not worth upgrading just for that
[13:48] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, I added that to grub but it doesnt help when booting in to 22.04 from the nvme drive
[13:49] <daridranath> I want to know how make SATA work properly in Ubuntu 20.04.
[13:49] <daridranath> I think we need to do some settings in the system.
[13:49] <ravage> darrend, Ubuntu and Linux in general can use SATA pefectly fine. Check your BIOS and make sure your drives are configured in AHCI mode.
[13:50] <daridranath> Ok... is it not like Windows?
[13:50] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, basicly that 'fix' doesn't fix it for me, only doing trickery by using a grub created by 18.04 to boot in to 22.04 and then run sudo update-grub works somehow
[13:50] <ravage> daridranath, no Ubuntu is not like Windows
[13:51] <daridranath> Ok. Thank you.
[13:51] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, and when then booting from that grub freshly made in 22.04, if I boot and do a update-grub again, it refushes to find windows &and refushes memtest
[13:52] <NCEric> Hey, when I triple click to highlight an entire line in a terminal and then middle click to paste it, it's like I never hit enter.  At what layer is this implemented?  It happens in the Gnome terminal as well as xterm.  Example from thrice earlier: https://i.imgur.com/79tbYI6.png
[13:52] <Vuurdraak> ah well I go take a break :)
[13:55] <Sven_vB> NCEric, which Ubuntu flavor and version? / your description reads as if indeed you never hit enter. I guess it's about copying the final newline character in that line, right? is it being copied? or just ignored on paste?
[14:05] <jhutchins> NCEric: "Enter" shouldn't be part of cut-and-paste - you should still be able to edit the text you pasted.
[14:13] <peja> I got problem with dbus upgrade during do-release-upgrade. dbus upgrade freezing whole system (waiting reboot?).
[14:15] <relipse> Hi, I'm rdc'ing into an ubuntu machine and I get a permanent Box that says "Authentication Required Authentication is required to create a color managed device" and it won't go away even after entering my password
[14:15] <relipse> also it won't let me minimize windows?
[14:16] <relipse> there is only an X not a box or a minimize button on each window
[14:17] <NCEric> jhutchins, I guess that's an opinion.  It's definitely a deviation from past behavior in the 20+ years I've been using Unix/Linux
[14:19] <NCEric> Sven_vB, it seems to copy the newline, but the terminal doesn't treat it as if I hit enter.  For instance if I run the command "echo echo hi", I'll get a line which contains "echo hi".  I triple click that to select entire line.  I then middle click to paste.  In the past it'd be as if I typed "echo hi" followed by pressing the enter key.  On 22.04 it's as if I did not press the enter key
[14:20] <Sven_vB> NCEric, modern terminals have protections against accidential execution of pasted text. probably that triggered.
[14:20] <relipse> Using Remote Desktop Connection, This is stuck on the screen: Authentication Required https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cuFRG3s4/image.png
[14:23] <ogra> NCEric, interesting, for me over the last 20y middle-click paste has never inserted an enter (and i'd freak out if it did) neither in xterm, nor in gnome-terminal
[14:24] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice ? I have amd64 machine, no idea why was it installed. Do i have to remove packages :i386 ?
[14:24] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/WfLeapF.png
[14:24] <XATRIX> this is the list
[14:26] <ogra> relipse, is that 22.04 ? there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1969619 ...
[14:27] <relipse> ogra: 20.04
[14:27] <ogra> XATRIX, :i386 libs are still used by things like wine or some binary printer drivers that have never been moved to 64bit
[14:27] <ogra> relipse, ah, then it is not that
[14:27] <NCEric> Sven_vB, ogra you got a 20.04 VM around... 100% it'll paste the newline
[14:27] <XATRIX> ogra: so, there's no need to get rid of them?
[14:28] <ogra> XATRIX, not unless you explicitly want to ... (installing wine or whatnot would pull them back in, it wouldnt do hard to remove them but you can as well just leave them around)
[14:28] <XATRIX> I guess it should be safe to remove ? https://imgur.com/t1o82rZ.png
[14:28] <XATRIX> No other dependencies are taken into
[14:29] <ogra> yeah, i'd guess
[14:30] <XATRIX> Is it a trouble to left them on my system ? Or it's not a good idea to have :i386 arch on amd64 machine ?
[14:31] <ogra> it is no trouble ...
[14:33] <NCEric> Go here, https://bpa.st/raw/PN6A , then select all, then middle click into a terminal.  On 20.04 it executes, on 22.04 it doesn't.  I understand there are arguments either way.  I'm just trying to figure out what changed and at what layer.
[14:34] <ogra> NCEric, might be a wayland thing ... ?
[14:36] <relipse> is there a way in ubuntu 20.04 gnome to have a task bar with all open windows on it like windows has?
[14:37] <relipse> nice nick Godisgood
[14:37] <jcassey[m]> there are hundreads of addons, search for it
[14:38] <relipse> where do i search for gnome addons
[14:39] <jcassey[m]> https://extensions.gnome.org/ or use a normal search engine with the stuff u want, maybe there is a guide
[14:41] <jcassey[m]> the browser extentions for extentions makes it easier to manage addons if you're interested, used to be on mozilla/chrome store.
[14:43] <Sven_vB> NCEric, ogra, I just tested gnome-terminal on Ubuntu focal with xfce, it pastes newline with middle click
[14:43] <ogra> interesting
[14:44] <Sven_vB> for historic reference, trusty behaves the same
[14:44] <jhutchins> It may not paste a newline if you manually highlight just the text.  The newline is, after all, an invisible character that's part of the line.
[14:45] <ogra> well, 22.04 defaults to wayland for most graphics cards now ... that might handle the paste buffer differently ...
[14:45] <jhutchins> I would certainly prefer that it NOT paste a newline.
[14:45] <ogra> NCEric, check if it happens if you switch to an Xorg session on the login screen (the option should be at the bottom right)
[14:46] <relipse> does anyone understand how to install this: https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel
[14:46] <zteam> Hi all, I'm trying to troubleshoot why the adb command from my linux terminal is taking so long to respond, it literally takes about 5 minutes to connect to my Android tablet over usb, I tried anbox before, and I belive that caused the issue
[14:48] <NCEric> k... I'll log out and back in and see.
[14:49] <relipse> sweet i go tit
[14:49] <bj0rn> im having a weird issue with the timedlogin feature of gdm3
[14:50] <bj0rn> if i log out of the session and go back to the login screen, the timer runs down but nothing happens and i cant login or do anything
[14:50] <zteam> Speaking of Wayland it seemed Nvidia managed to destroy it for 22.04 as well :-/
[14:52] <NCEric> ogra, same behavior on Xorg
[14:57] <ogra> zteam, yeah, last minute request 😞 but you can pick it at the login screen with the next gdm update at least
[14:57] <ogra> NCEric, well, then it is either gnome-shell or gnome-terminal ...
[15:00] <ogra> NCEric, but since you said you see it with xterm too i'd bet for gnome-shell
[15:02] <zteam> ogra, yep I know, I did enable it myself for Ubuntu 21.10 as well, it did work but it wasn't very stable (at least for me), I was hoping those issues might have been fixed by now, but I guess not
[15:02] <ogra> zteam, i think they mostly have but there are corner cases which made nvidia ask for rolling back the default
[15:06] <zteam> ogra, drag and drop from Nautilus to gnome terminal crashes the terminal with Wayland and the bluelight filter doesn't work with Wayland either :-/
[15:07] <zteam> ogra, that's for 21.10 I haven't updated my machine to Ubuntu 22.04 yet
[15:10] <dakotakae> Hi all! I'm looking for a little help with WireGuard and NetworkManager on 22.04. I posted up a question on AskUbuntu, but figured I'd also check in here. Does anyone have experience using the WireGuard GUI plugin for NetworkManager on Jammy?
[15:11] <dakotakae> For reference, here is my AU question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404807/wireguard-management-in-network-manager-on-jammy
[15:12] <paracusia> Hello, got the problem that udp-sflow packets are silently dropped by the kernel(latest vanilla 5.17.4). We found out that they are getting dropped because the function skb_shared_check() fails - the docu says that is because of memory allocation failure - does that mean hardware? We can't find any hint for a memory defect so far
[15:12] <ogra> paracusia, probably ask in #ubuntu-kernel ... here we only support official packages
[15:13] <paracusia> thanks ogra
[15:20] <peja> Hi, my 20.04 LTS upgrade to 22.04 LTS "do-release-upgrade -d" stops at "dbus" suggest to reboot during do-release upgrade.
[15:23] <zteam> peja, did you try to reboot it then?
[15:28] <peja> zteam: yes i tryed. after reboot it's offering kernel panic.
[15:29] <zteam> peja, ouch!
[15:30] <zteam> peja, have you tried holding down shift key before it boots up and tried to boot with safe mode option or booting up an older kernel ?
[15:31] <ioria> peja, and if you cannot , you need a livecd
[15:31] <peja> zteam: it's setting up dbus, after that screen  "A reboot required to replace the running dbus-deamon". "Please reboot the system when convenient."
[15:36] <zteam> peja, you can always try press ALT+F1 and see if you can log in from the terminal, if that suceeds you could always try to use sudo apt update and after that, sudo apt full-upgrade and see if that fixes it for you
[15:37] <peja> zteam: thanks
[15:37] <zteam> peja, if not try booting an older kernel as I suggested before :-)
[15:37] <peja> zteam: trying.
[15:53] <sunbeam60> Looking for advice on bug etiquette ... should I report a bug for what I think is a missing package dependency? And if so, on Debian's tracker or Ubuntu;s?
[15:53] <jhutchins> peja: You should be able to go past that prompt and continue booting, then come back to the reboot when everything else is done.
[16:03] <leftyfb> !bug | sunbeam60
[16:03] <leftyfb> sunbeam60: start with ubuntu
[16:04] <sunbeam60> got it, will start with Ubuntu
[16:07] <Sqaure> if you have some startup thing in /etc/init.d/ but want to disable it. Whats the trick? Delete the file? But what if you want to get it back at some later point?
[16:08] <leftyfb> Sqaure: all modern ubuntu releases use systemd. You shouldn't be using init.d scripts anymore
[16:09] <Sqaure> i rock ubuntu 18.04
[16:09] <leftyfb> Sqaure: sudo systemctl disable <service name>
[16:09] <Sqaure> i uninstalled it (mongodb)
[16:09] <leftyfb> Sqaure: 18.04 uses systemd
[16:10] <leftyfb> Quack: if you uninstalled it, then the service files shouldn't be there
[16:18] <Sqaure> leftyfb, thanks
[16:50] <peja> jhutchins, zteam, ioria: It's need just waiting at "A reboot required to replace the running dbus-deamon" "Please reboot the system when convenient.".... quite long time... after that it's continues upgrade to 22.04
[16:51] <peja> jhutchins, zteam, ioria: I found this ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1968845
[16:57] <zteam> peja, so in the end it did finish the installation to get you to a working system at least ?
[17:05] <WeeBey> I'm looking at my auth.log. Just a follow up question from this morning: After disabling ssh password logins, I should see the "failed password" log entries disappear?
[17:06] <leftyfb> no
[17:07] <WeeBey> leftyfb, to clarify: failed password entries from remote ssh connections
[17:07] <leftyfb> WeeBey: you will still see failed attempts
[17:07] <matsaman> that is easily tested
[17:08] <leftyfb> WeeBey: the only way to stop seeing them is to turn off ssh
[17:08] <leftyfb> or logging (not recommended )
[17:08] <WeeBey> true. It's just cos I installed fail2ban so I don't wanna test with my current IP. :D
[17:08] <WeeBey> I could use my phone's IP, I think.
[17:09] <matsaman> well, you're going to probably want to know how to remove an IP from a ban list, invariably
[17:09] <leftyfb> you don't need to, just wait a bit. But also, fail2ban has testing
[17:10] <leftyfb> WeeBey: https://www.the-art-of-web.com/system/fail2ban-filters/   "How to test the filter"
[17:10] <WeeBey> leftyfb, I asked beause I was surprised. I implemented the recommendations from this chan this morning and I haven't seen a new entry since 08h15. And before that it was around three per minute!
[17:11] <matsaman> be careful what you wish for? =)
[17:11] <WeeBey> Haha.
[17:12] <WeeBey> Like they said in The Wire, "yeah but a good case..." "It ends, McNulty!"
[17:34] <peja> zteam: yes, it finnish upgrading and now it's working also
[17:36] <zteam> peja, happy it it sorted itself out, still not the smoothest ride in town but... :-)
[17:36] <neachdainn> I'm trying to write a script that I can use across any of the supported releases. Is there any cross-release way to have apt install the latest available version of libpython3?
[17:37] <deaconbot> hello?
[17:37] <neachdainn> I.e., `python3` in 18.04 gives 3.6 but Python3.8 doesn't exist in 22.04
[17:38] <deaconbot> I have a installation problem with Ubuntu 20.4 with a HP DL380 G5 where it states non system disk error after a successful install.
[17:38] <leftyfb> neachdainn: 22.04 uses python 3.10.4 by default
[17:39] <leftyfb> deaconbot: why install 20.04 over 22.04 which was just released?
[17:39] <deaconbot> At the time I had it on cd.
[17:40] <deaconbot> I believe my issue i with boot loader, but i am not certain.
[17:40] <leftyfb> deaconbot: that said, it sounds like your server is not properly configured to boot to the drive/volume you installed ubuntu on
[17:40] <neachdainn> leftyfb: Yes, but I'm hoping to write the script in such a way that I don't have to specialize per-release. That is, installing `python3` on 18.04 will give me python3.6 and I want Python3.8 on 18.04.
[17:40] <ioria> deaconbot, i'd check the bios menu
[17:41] <neachdainn> If it's not possible, specializing isn't the worst thing ever, I'm just hoping to be able to do it (partially for educational reasons, partially for robustness reasons)
[17:41] <leftyfb> neachdainn: ok, so write your python script that doen't rely on features not available in all the current versions of python
[17:41] <deaconbot> I did and see nothing wrong there. It has the correct boot order and drive listings.
[17:41] <neachdainn> leftyfb: That can't be done. I _need_ features that weren't supported until 3.8. Specifically initialization of an embedded interpreter
[17:42] <ioria> deaconbot, then you grub install failed the target, or something similar
[17:42] <deaconbot> I stand corrected, it is 22.04 version
[17:42] <leftyfb> neachdainn: then obviously that won't work on 3.6. Nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:42] <neachdainn> leftyfb: The process of installing the correct version of Python on Ubuntu is, arguably, related to Ubuntu
[17:43] <deaconbot> is the grub install part of the ubuntu install?
[17:43] <ioria> deaconbot, yes, but you need to specify the target
[17:44] <deaconbot> I following the prompts provided. and configured my arrays/drives prior to install. But I never seen any GRUB interface or prompts.
[17:44] <leftyfb> neachdainn: the correct version of python for ubuntu is the latest release of python available for that release of ubuntu. Write your code to support the most versions. Or don't. This really has nothing to do with ubuntu. You're going to run into the same issue with most any other linux distro
[17:44] <ogra> neachdainn, the "correct version" of python is the one in the ubuntu archve, that as been tested for 6 months and is integrated with the other packages that make up the distro
[17:45] <ioria> deaconbot, if you do a manual install, you have to
[17:45] <deaconbot> you have to...?
[17:45] <neachdainn> ogra, leftyfb: Ubuntu 18.04 has a Python3.8 package. I would like to write my script in such a way that it will install `python3.8` when run on 18.04 but install `python3` everywhere else.
[17:46] <ogra> neachdainn, why do yu want to destroy the users system ?
[17:46] <ioria> deaconbot, if you do a manual install, you have to specify the targetfor grub
[17:46] <neachdainn> If I have to add a `if $DISTRO = bionic`, I'll live. I'm just asking if there is a way to `apt install python3-latest` (or something).
[17:46] <leftyfb> neachdainn: don't do that
[17:46] <ogra> neachdainn, nope
[17:46] <neachdainn> ogra: That doesn't? The default Python remains 3.6. Also, the user is... me.
[17:46] <deaconbot> How? Is there a config file, Do I start over?, Is there a Grub installer?
[17:47] <leftyfb> neachdainn: exit with a message saying you've detected 3.8 is available and leave it up to the user
[17:47] <ioria> deaconbot, it is parte of the install process
[17:48] <deaconbot> Ok. So if it is part of the install process, How can I correct it? I have installed this several times with the same results.
[17:48] <ioria> deaconbot, you need to reinstall grub (if that is the culprit)
[17:48] <neachdainn> leftyfb: That totally eliminates the possibility of using this script in CI.
[17:48] <leftyfb> neachdainn: then install 3.8 as part of your CI
[17:49] <neachdainn> That would be the specialization I was talking about.
[17:49] <deaconbot> Can I reinstall grub separately and before the installation of Ubuntu?
[17:49] <neachdainn> I can do it, but I was hoping there is a generic "latest Python" option.
[17:49] <neachdainn> And it sounds like there isn't. So I'll just have variants of the script for each release.
[18:16] <Swahili> Q: I've got a local service running in port 3000 let's say, enabled ufw to allow 3000/tcp. Verified the status and is listed and accepts incoming. So, I open my browser and try to get server_address:3000 and the connection is refused. Seems that I'm missing something here, as I thought ufw would be enough to allow the incoming connection. Any hints? Thank you!
[18:18] <leftyfb> Swahili: disable ufw and see if you can connect
[18:18] <Swahili> leftyfb: tks for looking! not at all!
[18:18] <leftyfb> Swahili: then not a ufw issue
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: the instance, is a aws instance which I requested to allow everything
[18:19] <alkisg> Are you sure the service is http?
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeah thanks for the sanity check!
[18:19] <leftyfb> Swahili: you need to look at the AWS security groups
[18:19] <Swahili> alkisg: yes indeed
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeh, I'll let know my team mate to double check, thanks!
[18:19] <alkisg> Another test you can do is to stop the service and run `python3 -m http.server 3000`. Then point your browser there.
[18:21] <Swahili> alkisg: what does that do?
[18:21] <Swahili> alkisg: oh I see
[18:21] <Swahili> start an http server
[18:22] <alkisg> It invokes a web server at port 3000, so that you can see if you configured ufw etc properly
[18:22] <Swahili> I have port range 3000~3005 so I'll test on 3001
[18:22] <leftyfb> Swahili: runs a service on port 3000 as opposed to relying on your service
[18:22] <alkisg> If that works, then the problem is in the service
[18:22] <leftyfb> I'm 99% sure it's AWS SG
[18:22] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeh I think its aws sg, I did requested to allow everything just to avoid to have to deal with this
[18:23] <leftyfb> Swahili: that shouldn't be the right answer either
[18:23] <howudodat> just upgraded to 22.04 and am noticing a weird issue that might be related to some kind of color profile.  All my greys are showing as pink.  in light theme, the title bar, the shadow around windows, etc.  was harder to detect in dark theme, but super obvious in light.  What's weird is I printed something with light grey watermark and it printed in pink too, so I'm pretty sure its color profile related
[18:25] <Swahili> leftyfb: alkisg yeh so the python server is not accessible publicly so definitely a aws sg, thanks for the help
[18:25] <alkisg> 👍️
[18:36] <howudodat> and calibrate is greyed out to calibrate the screen (settings->color)
[18:59] <imi> hi, I'm unable to start obs studio under 22.04. it says: https://termbin.com/iyx9
[19:13] <ogra> imi, looks like that version of obs isnt capable to run on wayland ... you can log out and on the bottom right select the Xorg session instead
[19:13] <imi> ogra: most probably I don't use wayland at all (it's a default 22.04 install)
[19:15] <ogra> imi, which defaults to wayland (unless you use an nvidia card)
[19:15] <imi> ok
[19:15] <imi> and then I just installed obs-studio
[19:16] <imi> apt-get install obs-studio
[19:16] <imi> and you say that despite the fact that it's an ubuntu package it might not work on ubuntu default install?
[19:18] <Guest74> 20.04 is vulnerable to Nimbuspwn, right?  Any idea when it might be patched?
[19:19] <ogra> imi, sounds like it ... i think the obs-studio deb just comes straight from debian, they might not build it for wayland or with wayland support
[19:19] <basti_> Hello. I'm trying to run a shell script from the gnome shell. Neither Alt-F2 nor Nautilus double click do what I want. Alt-F2 would curiously open emacs in a terminal to edit the script file, while Alt-F2 won't parse shell (variables, and especially, inserting the current date as a text into a parameter to the command.
[19:42] <ioria> basti_, have you tried with full path ?
[20:13] <howudodat> basti_ try right click in nautilus, run as a program
[20:13] <howudodat> basti_ if that option doesn't exist the script is probably not marked as executable
[20:40] <basti_> ioria: thank you a lot, this was it.
[20:41] <MyWay27> Hello, I have just run updates on my ubuntu, rebooted because I had dell firmware updates too and... my laptop not booting anymore, no specific message, stuck at initial ramdisk loading
[20:41] <MyWay27> If I play with bios settings I get out of memory, at boot and a kernel panic
[20:42] <MyWay27> I have tried booting with old kernel 5.19, but the same happens
[20:42] <MyWay27> Any idea?
[20:43] <MyWay27> (Running 20.04)
[20:44] <i-garrison> MyWay27: 5.19 looks too new to exist
[20:45] <MyWay27> Lol, 5.13 sorry*
[20:46] <MyWay27> I could try that system revert (never tried before), but maybe you have some better hint before proceed
[20:48] <MyWay27> Actually I was on 5.11 before, updated to 5.13 today
[20:58] <MyWay27> Reverting not working too, blank screen
[20:58] <MyWay27> Recovery same
[21:09] <i-garrison> MyWay27: looks like broken firmware update to me
[21:09] <i-garrison> MyWay27: does it boot any livecd?
[21:19] <MyWay33> Unfortunately I haven't access to a live, i-garrison
[21:20] <i-garrison> MyWay33: does it boot anything at all?
[21:20] <i-garrison> I mean, any cd or live usb
[21:20] <MyWay33> No, nothing at all
[21:20] <MyWay33> But I haven't a live with me
[21:20] <MyWay33> So I can only tell about HD boot
[21:38] <dadofapollo> any reason why I wouldn't have an "Appearance" section in my setting on 22.04? Can't find a reason on google. Is it something to do with Wayland/X11?
[21:40] <Guest80> hallo
[21:40] <Guest80> is it correct that the timestamp is on 19 th april ?
[21:41] <mevla> Hello. Switching between workspaces does not work using the keyboard in Xubuntu 22.04.  I've asked in the Xubuntu and xfce IRCs but got no replies.  Maybe someone here has an idea about this.
[21:43] <nikomo> I have a Ubuntu Server 22.04 box that started off on 20.04, and I'm pretty sure when I installed the Nvidia non-free drivers for CUDA, some desktop packages got pulled in too. I upgraded it to 22.04, and now it seems to be entering suspend after being inactive for a while. I thought it was shutting itself off, but then I checked uptime after hitting the power button and the host came up suspiciously fast. Anyone know how to disable all that suspend jazz,
[21:43] <nikomo> considering I don't have a GUI on the box?
[21:43] <nikomo> I assume nuking GNOME in its entirety would also do the trick, but I've never done that to a system so not sure what packages to purge
[21:44] <kryten> mevla: I'll note you did get replies from various people on #xfce earlier today though.
[21:44] <ogra> dadofapollo, it should look like this ...  https://preview.redd.it/seb9u4fxg2w81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a7962955eb6713a5d51829ddecb55fe69530cce7
[21:45] <dadofapollo> yeah mine doesn't even have the option on the sidebar. Search also doesn't return it
[21:45] <ogra> dadofapollo, and there is no reason you would not have it ... (except for a not yet known bug perhaps)
[21:46] <mevla> kryten: Indeed although the xml file that was mentioned has indeed the proper shortcut re-assign. eg. Alt-1 to Alt-3 for three workspaces.  I did nto see the point in erasing the user config as root and re-doing it.  That's already three times that I reconfigure the shortcuts to no avail.
[21:46] <ogra> dadofapollo, is it an upgrade or a fresh install ?
[21:46] <dadofapollo> ogra: it is an upgrade, completed today
[21:47] <ogra> dadofapollo, try with a freshly created test user, to find if it is some old setting in your user account
[21:47] <mevla> kryten: And it was only from one person, there were no multiple suggestions.
[21:47] <dadofapollo> ogra: good thinking, let me try that!
[21:49] <nikomo> I'm an idiot so I took a hammer to the issue - masked off all suspend and hibernate targets on systemd, and I kept removing packages until it removed a whole lot of packages, see if that fixes it. gnome-shell is gone at least, and the system works fine
[21:50] <mevla> I've been using these shortcuts for switching workspaces since 18.04 as far as Xubuntu is concerned, and since at least 15 years all Linux OSes considered.
[21:51] <cluelessperson> omg, this onscreen keyboard "caribou" is absolutely broken
[21:51] <cluelessperson> how do I remove this?
[21:51] <cluelessperson> it keeps activating, even though it is explictly disabled.
[21:52] <mevla> I could try erasing the user's xfce config and recreate it but, I do not see the point in doing that unless it's a new bug in xfce
[21:53] <dadofapollo> ogra: interesting. That worked! I had the option in a new test user account but still not in mine. where is a good place to look for an old setting that would do that?
[21:54] <mrbob> Hi, I've just installed Jammy Jellyfish on my macbook pro (old one) and says its 'NVA5' so Nvdia but I have no idea what driver that would be.
[21:54] <ogra> dadofapollo, likely somewhere in .config or in the gsettings database ... but i'd start with looking for old theme files gtkrc gtk3rc or whatnot undet the .config dir
[21:54] <ogra> *under
[21:55] <dadofapollo> ogra: I'm on the case. Thank you so much!!!
[21:55] <ogra> np, good luck 🙂
[21:58] <mevla> kryten:  Talk about a smeghead.  I found it.  I mistankenly assigned the new shortcuts to 'move current window to workspace x' instead of assigning them to 'go to workspace x' !
[22:01] <Mibix> what is the best way to add timestamps to ubuntu shells?
[22:01] <leftyfb> Mibix: export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%F %T '
[22:03] <Mibix> i want it like to the left of the user in every shell everytime i open one heh
[22:04] <leftyfb> $(date)
[22:04] <leftyfb> in your $PS1
[22:05] <Mibix> you mean in my .bashrc?
[22:06] <leftyfb> sure, that'll work
[22:07] <matsaman> y'know what's real nice in a PS1 is exit status of last command =)
[22:07] <Mibix> no idea what $PS1 is lol
[22:07] <Mibix> it looks like its already in my .bashrc lol
[22:08] <leftyfb> matsaman: that and git branch :)
[22:08] <Mibix> fi
[22:08] <Mibix> export PROMPT_COMMAND="echo -n \[\$(date +%H:%M:%S)\]\ "
[22:08] <Mibix> if [ $TILIX_ID ] || [ $VTE_VERSION ] ; then source /etc/profile.d/vte.sh; fi # Ubuntu Budgie END
[22:08] <leftyfb> !paste | Mibix
[22:09] <sarnold> matsaman: yeah, I've come to really like having exit status in my shell prompt..
[22:09] <sarnold> for many years I used the default "\$ " that didn't show *anythying*
[22:10] <Mibix> i dont get why that isnt doing anything though lol
[22:10] <matsaman> sarnold: same
[22:10] <leftyfb> Mibix: . ~/.bahrc
[22:10] <matsaman> gets too wasteful re-running long processes just because you were too shortsighted to check the exit status
[22:10] <sarnold> but using git repos with multiple branches made me switch to liquidprompt.. https://github.com/nojhan/liquidprompt  .. today I'd give a look to https://starship.rs/ first, but liquidprompt was packaged and looked decent :) heh
[22:10] <Mibix> huh?
[22:11] <leftyfb> Mibix: either run:   . ~/.bahrc   # or close your terminal and open a new one
[22:11] <leftyfb> or run: bash
[22:12] <Mibix> yeah neither of those things does anything with the timestamp
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mibix: works fine for me
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mibix: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[22:14] <Mibix> mibix@mibix-module:~$  echo $PS1
[22:14] <Mibix> \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
[22:14] <Mibix> lol
[22:14] <Mibix> tf does that mean
[22:15] <leftyfb> Mibix: please use pastebin
[22:15] <Mibix> for 1 line?
[22:15] <leftyfb> Mibix: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[22:15] <sarnold> that'll tell if you're using a schroot the name of the root, and it'll show you username, hostname
[22:15] <dadofapollo> ogra: got it working but don't understand it! I logged out and clicked the gear icon (to switch display managers?) and switched it from GNOME to Ubuntu. Everything works as intended now though
[22:21] <Mibix> ahh ok i think i got it sarnold ty