[02:31] <M80c001[m]> Hi Friends, a quick help. I just installed Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and for some strange reason I am not able to install Zoom client on it. Not sure if it's just me or if this is a common problem across. I could install zoom client from the website but when I open it it just crashes. And zoom for what it's known no log files I could search to see what the issue could be.
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> M80c001[m]: It's possible that Zoom doesn't support Ubuntu 22.04 yet. Either way, since it comes from outside of the Ubuntu repositories, we cannot support it.
[02:54] <Eickmeyer> Your best bet is to ask on askubuntu.com if you haven't asked Zoom yet.
[02:59] <M80c001[m]> Thanks Eickmeyer. Makes sense. Their website said version 16 and above is supported. So was curious. I also did a check on all the dependencies and the only one missing is "libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0". I don't see it in the repository to install it separately. Not sure if this could be an issue. In one of the forums it mentioned that it's not supported by Ubuntu anymore instead to install "libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-dev"
[03:04] <M80c001[m]> And ofcourse installing it did not help me in anyway. But thanks for the advice though, I'll post it in askubuntu.com. But if anything pops up, please post it here.
[03:10] <OvenWerks> If all easle fails zoom will run from a browser
[03:10] <OvenWerks> it's not as nice that way but I think all the admin stuff works too
[08:22] <BrianHechinger[m> 80c001: zoom-client from snaps works, however it doesn't ingest the link correctly so you have to paste the meeting id and password into it. Other than that though it works fine.
[08:36] <twbuncho[m]1> But it's not official version
[08:38] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm not sure I understand your point?
[08:40] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: Official Version Only Available on Windows and macOS
[08:41] <BrianHechinger[m> Official version is also available on linux, however it doesn't currently work on 22.04
[08:42] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: No,that one isn't from Zoom Official
[08:42] <BrianHechinger[m> The one you download from zoom themselves isn't from zoom?
[08:43] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: Yes
[08:43] <twbuncho[m]1> Linux System only run on web
[08:44] <BrianHechinger[m> So who made it then if not zoom?
[10:50] <twbuncho[m]1> Upgrade from 21.10 not apply 22.04 LTS Wallpaper
[15:08] <Eickmeyer> twbuncho[m]1: Upgrades don't override user settings. Wallpaper is a user-level setting.
[15:08] <Eickmeyer> Not a bug, but a feature.
[15:19] <tiredsince1985[m> Whenever I try to apt install faust, it wants to remove all the Studio applications, menus, etc
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> tiredsince1985[m: Looks like a packaging bug in faust recommending libjack-dev when libjackd2-dev is fully compatible. Might be worth a bug report since that's fully fixable.
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> "ubuntu-bug faust" in a terminal.
[15:53] <BrianHechinger[m> Benjamin(杜庭維): I'm still trying to understand what you mean by "Linux System only run on web" and "No,that one isn't from Zoom Official"
 "Benjamin(杜庭維): I'm still..." <- Zoom Official never develop Linux Application
[16:13] <BrianHechinger[m> So what application is it that can be downloaded from their website?
[16:13] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: No,Web Only
[16:14] <BrianHechinger[m> it's not web only
[16:14] <BrianHechinger[m> there is literally an app you can install from zoom
[16:14] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: It's Web Only 
[16:14] <BrianHechinger[m> Stop saying that
[16:15] <twbuncho[m]1> No Application for Linux*3
[16:15] <BrianHechinger[m> why do you keep saying that?
[16:15] <BrianHechinger[m> there is an app
[16:15] <BrianHechinger[m> you can download it
[16:15] <BrianHechinger[m> FROM ZOOM
[16:15] <BrianHechinger[m> so I don't understand
[16:16] <twbuncho[m]1> That's the final result,Web is the only Using Method for Linux System
[16:16] <twbuncho[m]1> That one is not official,Mark my word
[16:16] <BrianHechinger[m> I won't, because you won't explain why it's not the official app
[16:16] <BrianHechinger[m> you just want to say it's web only and not explain yourself.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> twbuncho[m]1: You are incorrect, Zoom makes an app for Linux. More misinformation like that, I'll have you banned from here.
[16:16] <twbuncho[m]1> The Official Apps is Windows/macOS(Intel/Mac) Only
[16:17] <BrianHechinger[m> You are incorrect, please stop saying that
[16:17] <twbuncho[m]1> BrianHechinger[m: It's forked by other people
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> They even have a repository.
[16:17] <BrianHechinger[m> the one zoom provides is forked by other people?
[16:17] <BrianHechinger[m> what are you even talking about?
[16:17] <twbuncho[m]1> I'm right
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Benjamin(杜庭維): I'm very close to banning you from this chat for spreading misinformation. I work for a Linux company that preinstalls Zoom's official app on laptops.
[16:18] <twbuncho[m]1> The App is Only Available on Windows System and macOS as official
[16:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> We don't have time or room for that here.
[16:22] <BrianHechinger[m> I really don't understand what was happening there. You can go to their site and download the app yet he insisted that you couldn't and it didn't really exist?
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> I don't know. Either way, we won't here from him again. He was borderline trollish.
[16:23] <BrianHechinger[m> Eickmeyer: Have you dealt with the snap version of zoom-client?
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: I have not, only the one from Zoom's official repo.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> Which they just updated, btw.
[16:24] <BrianHechinger[m> Oh, I should try that then and see if it doesn't crash now
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> Nah, still crashes. :(
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> I'm sure they're working on it. They have a lot of enterprise users on Ubuntu LTS.
[16:25] <BrianHechinger[m> 😭
[16:25] <BrianHechinger[m> Well they can hurry up
[16:26] <BrianHechinger[m> because if the snap guy can make it work I don't understand why they can't. :-D
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> ogra (the guy who snapped it) is a good guy in general.
[16:27] <BrianHechinger[m> Yeah, from what I understand he's just taking their deb and packaging it as a snap
[16:28] <BrianHechinger[m> so I wonder why his works and theirs doesn't
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> The snap also has every dependency it needed at the time it was snapped, so if there's a newer python now, for instance, that's causing an incompatibility, that would do it.
[16:29] <BrianHechinger[m> oooohhh, ok, that makes sense
[16:29] <BrianHechinger[m> I'd happily use the snap forever if I could figure out how to make it honor URI calls
[16:29] <BrianHechinger[m> But I can't, so I gues I'll wait for zoom to fix theirs
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's a bit trickier. ogra can typically be found in #ubuntu if you want to ask him.
[16:31] <BrianHechinger[m> Maybe I will. Thanks!
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> np
[19:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: When discover is launched from systray (updates available) and update is selected, there is no sign of life for some time if the update set is of any size. Is that normal/expected?
[19:06] <OvenWerks> The update box does show the number of packages to update but is already blue(ish?) before update is selected. Each package will start showing a progress bar as it downloads but the first one (or five) to download are not always visible by default.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> after enough time has passed, the taskmanager button and the update box will start to act as a progress bar as well but that time till first show of life is often very long. It is long enough that I have stopped discover thinking it had hung and apt dist-update in a terminal
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, because they are two different mechanisms. Discover isn't running in the systray, that's just a notifier that Plasma is running by itself. Discover is its own application and doesn't know about the updates until it checks for itself. Discover uses packagekit to check as opposed to apt.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I undestand that part. Once discover is opened and gives a list of updatable sw then one has to hit the update button and enter their pw.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Correct.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: after that the time before it is obvious discover is actually doing something can be very long
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> That's because it's communicating with packagekit which is, in turn, communicating with apt.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> And there are multiple progress bars which you can scroll through per package.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> yes but often none of them are vissible making it seem the application has hung
[19:38] <OvenWerks> That is, the packages that are downloading are scrolled out of the window.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> This is basically the same problem we had with the first versions of ubuntustudio-installer
[19:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: however, just from what you have said so far, it is not considered a problem, so not worth a bug report, which is what I was really asking.
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, unfortunately.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> If anything, a feature request bug in the KDE bugtracker.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: Basically, it looks like Zoom is using an old version of Electron. Try running it from a command line using --no-gpu-sandbox.
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> Actually, try it with --no-sandbox
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> That's what's working for me.
[23:43] <BrianHechinger[m> Awesome, I'll look at that tomorrow. Thanks for figuring that out! I should have guessed though. I needed to do no sandbox to get Franz to work.