[00:04] <maccam94[m]> leftyfb: i'm baaaaaaaaaaaack. i think this may be a bug with unattended-upgrades? or maybe I need to pin the firefox package from main instead of increasing the priority of the ppa package
[00:05] <maccam94[m]> it's just weird because sudo apt install firefox does the right thing
[00:06] <maccam94[m]> (and downgrades the currently installed package to the one in the ppa)
[00:26] <evdubs> is it a known issue that firefox 99 in ubuntu 22.04 crashes when going full screen/maximized?
[00:28] <ogra> evdubs, definitely not ...
[00:29] <evdubs> it tells me "Exiting due to channel error." from the command line
[00:29] <evdubs> not sure if i can get more verbose logging
[00:29] <maccam94[m]> evdubs: firefox 100 is already in the PPA, you might want to see if it's fixed there before proceeding to debug
[00:29] <tomreyn> evdubs: if it is, then where    snap info firefox    says is the "contact" for it will have a bug reported for it. if not, potentially, you could report one there.
[00:30] <tomreyn> there are also beta and edge channels for the snap, providing newer versions
[00:30] <ogra> 100 and 101
[00:32] <oerheks> on what session; Xorg or Wayland, and what video card/driver?
[00:33] <maccam94[m]> argh actually I can't reproduce how firefox keeps getting switched to the snap package. the apt history shows unattended-upgrade does it, but running `sudo unattended-upgrade` obeys the pin priority.
[00:33] <ogra> maccam94[m], we dont support PPAs here
[00:33] <maccam94[m]> i'm not asking about PPA support, this is basic apt pinning
[00:33] <ogra> (also ths one is likely soon going away)
[00:34] <maccam94[m]> I am aware, I don't intend on continuing to update firefox until xdg-portal works for my password manager
[00:34] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next?field.series_filter=kinetic
[00:34] <oerheks> grinn
[00:34] <ogra> ah, you were the kepassxc person 🙂
[00:35] <evdubs> oerheks, not sure about xorg/wayland. on previous ubuntu releases i used xorg, but i think 22.04 moved to wayland? i'm on nvidia
[00:35] <oerheks> kinetic will be the name of 22.10 ?
[00:35] <ogra> then you are still on xorg
[00:35] <ogra> nvidia default to xorg (nvidia asked for it last minute)
[00:35] <ogra> *defaults
[00:35] <maccam94[m]> does anyone know if there are special ways that unattended-upgrade gets invoked with different behavior? or is there some extra special firefox-snap migration script that's messing with me?
[00:36] <evdubs> actually, i think i somehow got kicked to nouveau...
[00:36] <ogra> oh
[00:36] <evdubs> let me sort this out. sorry, all
[00:36] <ogra> well, it's still a bug 🙂
[00:37] <tomreyn> maccam94[m]: there is scripting in the firefox apt packages to install snapd and the firefox snap, if that's what you're asking
[00:38] <maccam94[m]> I am aware that the firefox package in main installs the snap, but this is after I downgrade from that package version to the version from the PPA
[00:38] <maccam94[m]> is it possible there's some metapackage that forces a version constraint on firefox?
[00:39] <ogra> if it was just about the snap a simple "sudo snap disable firefox" would help ... but that will indeed not make apt look for the other deb by default
[00:39] <oerheks> newest is newest,...
[00:39] <maccam94[m]> I would hope that would just throw an error with the version constraint solver, but I've never accused apt of having a particularly intelligent version constraint system
[00:39] <tomreyn> unattended-upgrades has a debug and dry-run mode
[00:40] <maccam94[m]> tomreyn: yeah I just failed to reproduce the behavior when running it by hand  :'(
[00:40] <tomreyn> which can help you verify that you have the right package source filters set up for it
[00:40] <tomreyn> it won't install packages from a ppa by default
[00:41] <tomreyn> s/install/upgrade/
[00:42] <evdubs> thanks for the help regarding my firefox issue. i think it may have been display driver related. prior to 22.04, i was on nvidia-470. i tried to move to nvidia-510 but got some error. apparently this kicked me to nouveau without restarting my computer
[00:42] <evdubs> i tried to move to nvidia-510, restarted, and now i can maximize firefox
[00:43] <ogra> yay
[00:43] <maccam94[m]> `apt policy firefox` shows the right version is set based on the pin priorities. `sudo apt install firefox` does the right thing. `sudo unattended-upgrade` also doesn't seem to install the snap package anymore. but it seems like every time there's an update to the jammy/main firefox package, the automated process upgrades to it
[00:45] <sarnold> note that the jammy/main firefox package hasn't been updated in a month https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox
[00:45] <maccam94[m]> hm actually it's not when the snap gets updated, it's when there's an update for the ppa package
[00:45] <maccam94[m]> yeah i just had a look at the changelog
[00:46] <maccam94[m]> so somehow it's seeing there's an update available, but then choosing the wrong package. maybe it has something to do with unattended-upgrades only selecting packages from certain origins?
[00:47] <tomreyn> probably, which is why i pointed out it wont use ppa's by default
[00:48] <tomreyn> but then we don't now which origins you have configured
[00:48] <tomreyn> *know
[00:49] <maccam94[m]> maybe it goes like: 1. ignore origins except for whitelist 2. pins for non-whitelisted origins are ignored 3. firefox gets upgraded again
[00:49] <enigma9o7[m]> The end of this article mentions how to make automated updates work with rico's ppa; you may find it useful https://balintreczey.hu/blog/firefox-on-ubuntu-22-04-from-deb-not-from-snap/
[00:50] <maccam94[m]> so hopefully a pin < 0 on the firefox package from main would still apply
[00:50] <enigma9o7[m]> I personally remove that package and just update myself, gives me an excuse to do something in the terminal..
[00:50] <maccam94[m]> enigma9o7: yeah that pin config is basically what I've arrived at
[00:50] <enigma9o7[m]> (unattended-upgrades I mean)
[00:51] <maccam94[m]> so hopefully that will work
[00:53] <enigma9o7[m]> but i am kinda wild and crazy like that, i try to keep under 850 packages if i can
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[02:42] <MrKeuner> hi everyone, I have a 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. M91XX (rev 01) with four mini display ports. I connected one of them to my monitor via mini dp to dp adapter. Gnome display doesn't seem to recognize the monitor. How can i fix this?
[02:42] <MrKeuner> Only resolution available is currently 640x480
[03:22] <blackop> hi
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome blackop
[03:23] <blackop> can somebody tell me what color code purple is ubuntu 22.04 terminal?
[03:23] <blackop> lotuspsychje: thanks
[03:26] <blackop> https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette/
[03:26] <blackop> maybe Dark Aubergine #2C001E
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> blackop: think there are tools out there to show the whole color pallette, checkout unixporn on reddit for color ricing
[03:29] <enigma9o7[m]> @blacktop try gpick
[03:29] <enigma9o7[m]> errr blackop gpick well tell you anything's color code
[03:30] <blackop> i dont have ubuntu installed now.. can somebody do me a favor and check terminal preferences if it shows terminal color code there?
[03:30] <blackop> 22.04
[03:35] <maccam94[m]> blackop:  #300a24
[03:35] <blackop> maccam94[m]: thank you!Q
[03:36] <blackop> i love ubuntu colors really
[03:36] <blackop> orange and purple combines perfect
[04:24] <quackgyver> How do you run windows exes once Wine has been installed?
[04:27] <matsaman> quackgyver: man, it's been a while. IIRC from the terminal it's just 'wine path/to/some.exe'
[04:28] <matsaman> little extra effort, sometimes, to run them through GUI. Never done that on Ubuntu, it could be preconfigured
[04:29] <quackgyver> Hm, I see.
[04:29] <quackgyver> I was hoping to be able to run it through a context menu or something.
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: you can also try playonlinux for more ease
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !info playonlinux
[05:03] <alkisg> quackgyver: sudo cp /usr/share/doc/wine*/examples/wine.desktop /usr/share/applications/
[05:03] <alkisg> sudo update-desktop-database
[05:03] <alkisg> These will allow you to run .exe programs from the context menu; it's disabled by default for security reasons
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> wasnt that enabled on previous ubuntu releases alkisg ?
[05:19] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: it was, I think it was changed in 18.04
[06:10] <nonix4> powerprofilesctl reports that driver is "placeholder"... so does the settings ui choice between "balanced" and "powersaver" actually do something? At least /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/ and powertop report identical settings for both balanced and powersaver.
[06:12] <schoppa> Hi, I can't find the legacy server image for 22.04 LTS?
[06:55] <Halian|WelcomeRa> Hello! I'm getting a strange error when attempting to run `apt update`: https://paste2.org/1L0UDsvP
[06:58] <cluelessperson> cbreak, yeah
[06:58] <cluelessperson> gnome
[07:00] <ick>  what is the package for libreoffice documentation?
[07:01] <ick> The LibreOffice built-in help for current UI language (English (USA)) is not installed on your computer. You may either install it from our website or your system’s repositories, or read an online version.
[07:39] <alkisg> ick, sudo apt install libreoffice-help-en-us
[10:14] <Fossil> Any way to get Ubuntu 22.04 to install with ZFS as its filesystem? I am logged in over IPMI so no graphical installer, just the text based one
[10:46] <b4b4> Why is apt so long compared to pacman?
[10:48] <jailbreak> b4b4, it's not...
[10:48] <b4b4> It is.
[10:48] <titfzn> because it was designed in times of long internet, so nobody noticed back there ;)
[10:49] <jailbreak> b4b4: maybe for *you* yes. it's fine here.
[10:53] <tomreyn> Fossil: debootstrap would work. i assume the server installer will also work if you use it with an autostart file.
[10:54] <Fossil> tomreyn Trying that now
[10:54] <titfzn> I think pacman can dl in parallel unlike apt
[10:55] <tomreyn> Fossil: the latter would be the more supported approach, i reckon
[10:55] <tomreyn> (but can be overengineering if you just need to make one installation)
[10:55] <Fossil> Ok will read into that
[10:57] <ravage> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[10:57] <ravage> but it needs the desktop iso and a way to start a ssh server from it
[10:58] <Fossil> I am actually just following that guide, but I am confused as it looks they use a seperate disk for some stuff. Trying to figure it out now
[10:59] <ravage> maybe it is easier not to use ZFS as your root filesystem
[10:59] <ravage> install the system on LVM or a standard raid1 and configure ZFS for the storage part later
[10:59] <ravage> thats what i usually do
[11:01]  * ogra notes that "apt" is half as long as "pacman" !
[11:05] <titfzn> xubuntu 21.04 iso was like 1.8G in size. Ubuntu 22.04 is 3.4G. So its' halve as long as 22.04
[11:06] <rs2009> hi everyone
[11:07] <luna> hey
[11:39] <davve> so, apt upgrade does not seem to find some packages for me, only some like brave
[11:39] <davve> new packages to install that is, but when I look at the ppa:s etc I can see there are new versions available
[11:39] <davve> any ideas?
[11:41] <tomreyn> full-upgrade
[11:44] <davve> thanks for suggestion but did not make a difference (I think issue is apt-get update not finding any packages to uprade)
[11:44] <davve> not performing the upgrade
[11:45] <madsquirrel> sudo apt-get update runs without errors?
[11:45] <davve> yep. let me paste the output
[11:45] <madsquirrel> find the name of brave package
[11:45] <madsquirrel> show
[11:45] <madsquirrel> apt-cache policy brave_etc_
[11:45] <davve> have already upgraded it. let me see
[11:46] <davve> http://vpaste.net/mxmTC
[11:46] <davve> thats the output of update
[11:46] <davve> brave-browser/stable,now 1.38.109 amd64 [installed
[11:47] <davve> brave-browser/stable,now 1.38.109 amd64 [installed]
[11:47] <tomreyn> !hirsute | davve
[11:48] <davve> oh
[11:48] <davve> im using an unsupported version?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> yes davve best to install a supported version (from this channels topic)
[11:49] <howarth> non LTS Ubuntu releases only get a year of support
[11:49] <madsquirrel> yes, disable PPA, run upgrade to next release, enable PPA
[11:49] <madsquirrel> if exist, etc.
[11:51] <tomreyn> not even a year
[11:56] <xhg> haha
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> can we help you xhg
[11:57] <xhg> no thanks
[12:14] <lodw> error
[12:46] <Phoros> Hi. I checked Ubuntu's repo for tools for GSM SIM cards but there was hardly anything there. Does anyone know if their is a channel on this IRC network for cell phones?
[12:48] <wez> Phoros: You may need to compile an app yourself if it's not in the repo or PPA.  What are you trying to do? use a sim card reader? access a sim via phone?
[12:49] <Phoros> I am trying to clone my SIM card
[12:50] <wez> heh, get a new one from your telco
[12:50] <Phoros> i can't. i registered it under a fake name 18 years ago
[12:51] <wez> Well, cloning a SIM card is illegal in many countries
[12:51] <Phoros> so is using a phone under a fake name
[12:51] <Phoros> Hasn't stopped me
[12:51] <wez> I don't think people here will help you do something that's illegal.
[12:52] <Phoros> Probably not. Ubuntu users tend to be sissy boys
[12:52] <wez> :) No, Ubuntu users tend to be smart and not incriminate themselves on a public network :)
[12:52] <Phoros> LOL! OKAY
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[12:53] <wez> gordonjcp: How did I handle that?
[12:53] <gordonjcp> wez: pretty good
[12:53] <gordonjcp> only commit one crime at a time
[12:53] <gordonjcp> also
[12:53] <wez> :P
[12:53] <gordonjcp> I know exactly how to duplicate SIM cards using teh l00nix but because of Phoros's attitude I'll keep it to myself
[12:53] <gordonjcp> also
[12:54] <gordonjcp> duplicating SIM cards won't necessarily solve your problem
[12:54] <gordonjcp> also
[12:54] <wez> ssshhh, it's illegal gordonjcp
[12:54] <wez> :)
[12:54] <gordonjcp> depends on why you're doing it tbh
[13:13] <wez> gordonjcp: Yeah, it could be for acedemic reasons, but in Phoros's case, I doubt it.
[13:15]  * jailbreak thought this was a support channel...
[13:16] <wez> jailbreak: Ubuntu support channel
[13:16] <wez> It has a scope :)
[13:16] <jailbreak> wez: *then* take your offtopic to #ubuntu-offtopic...
[13:17] <wez> jailbreak: Channel moderation is on scope :)  There seems to be a lack of ops in here though.
[13:18] <jailbreak> wez: pretty sure you've been told this before yet carry on with the offtopic...
[13:18] <jailbreak> anyway, bye. :-)
[13:18] <gordonjcp> jailbreak: I could see that being an issue if anyone was talking about Ubuntu support
[13:18] <gordonjcp> jailbreak: or indeed, *anything*
[13:19] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[13:19] <wez> jailbreak: Probably, but whose counting :)
[13:20] <wez> So, is ubuntu 22.04 ready for production use yet?  Or give it a few months?
[13:21] <oerheks> wez, wait for the 22.04.1 release point
[13:21] <ogra> like every LTS before 22.04 is ready with the .1 release
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:21] <wez> Cheers
[13:21] <gordonjcp> I'm using 22.04, it seems okay
[13:22] <gordonjcp> I'm also using DaVinci Resolve 18.0b1 because I'm a maniac
[13:23] <mrkubax10> hi
[13:27] <ick> I hear it's black magic
[13:29] <quackgyver> alkisg: It still doesn't appear in my context menu after doing that.
[13:29] <quackgyver> lotuspsychje: I would, but it doesn't say who the publisher is in the app store.
[13:30] <quackgyver> I don't want to download random third party software from an unknown source.
[13:31] <oerheks> quackgyver, what app exactly?
[13:31] <quackgyver> playonlinux
[13:32] <ogra> quackgyver, if you did not manually add a PPA, all packages in ubuntu come from a trusted surce
[13:32] <ogra> *source
[13:32] <cbreak> all apt packages do
[13:32] <ogra> all packages do
[13:32] <ogra> snaps even more than debs
[13:32] <quackgyver> Alright good to know.
[13:32] <cbreak> you can still install third-party stuff from flatpack, snap or what ever
[13:33] <quackgyver> But it's weird that the software store warns you that the third party application is unsafe then.
[13:33] <oerheks> playonlinux is just a bunch of install scripts on top of wine, it is proprietary though
[13:33] <ogra> and flatpak falls in the PPA category
[13:33] <ogra> (you would need to manually enable it first)
[13:34] <Teli> Are flatpaks very popular these days?
[13:34] <ogra> quackgyver, the ubuntu store on your desktop ?
[13:34] <quackgyver> Yes.
[13:34] <cbreak> and of course  you can install .deb packages manually too
[13:34] <oerheks> Teli, no. we support snaps.
[13:35] <cbreak> Teli: I've never seen one in person, but I read they're moer popular than snap
[13:35] <cbreak> (outside ubuntu)
[13:35] <ogra> heh
[13:35] <Teli> Are snaps the installation files that Ubuntu will be using in the future or are they only for certain things
[13:35] <ogra> both
[13:35] <cbreak> they're not installation files, they're more self-contained application + dependency images
[13:35] <ogra> we have a fully snap based OS (Ubuntu Core) where everything is a snap and no deb support is included
[13:36] <quackgyver> I tried running an exe via terminal, which worked, but then when I add it to the launch bar I can't run it from there. I just get a popup stating "winedbg was unable to attach to the process to obtain a backtrace"
[13:36] <cbreak> they usually stay separate from the rest of your system, not installed
[13:36] <quackgyver> Every time I run it outside of the launch bar it works, but it doesn't work when launched via the launch bar.
[13:36] <oerheks> quackgyver, for windows application help, join #winehq
[13:36] <quackgyver> Ok thanks.
[13:38] <Teli> Is Ubuntu the most popular distro for people starting out?
[13:38] <mrkubax10> usually yes
[13:38] <Teli> What is the most popular distro?
[13:38] <oerheks> Teli, please don't poll, this is ubuntu support only
[13:39] <Teli> oerheks I am wanting support to see which to choose.
[13:39] <mrkubax10> then #linux
[13:39] <oerheks> to get support here, choose ubuntu
[13:39] <Teli> Ok thanks
[13:40] <Teli> do I choose What does LTS mean
[13:41] <ogra> long term supported
[13:41] <Teli> Aren't they all?
[13:41] <mrkubax10> no
[13:41] <ogra> non LTS systems get fixes and security updates for the period of a pregnancy ... (9 months) ...
[13:41] <ogra> LTS systems get support for 10y
[13:41] <oerheks> No, lts gives 5 years, other versions just 9 months.
[13:41] <oerheks> and 5 years paid*
[13:41] <ogra> nah
[13:42] <Teli> Cool. I will go the LTS then
[13:42] <ogra> 5 free and 5 after free registration
[13:42] <gordonjcp> Teli: LTS is a good call, but I'd go with 20.04
[13:42] <ogra> for persona use nothing is paid ...
[13:42] <Teli> That is really good to know. I had a look at some others and they are not support for very long. That is why I am leaning Ubuntu
[13:42] <ogra> *personal
[13:42] <oerheks> ogra, rue, but not in this channel :-D
[13:42] <lousiF> I just upgraded into Jammy. Is there a .deb repo for Firefox??
[13:42] <oerheks> c/true
[13:42] <gordonjcp> Teli: unless you must have the latest and greatest
[13:42] <lousiF> now it's a snap.. urgh
[13:43] <gordonjcp> lousiF: and?
[13:43] <ogra> lousiF, can we help you with any problem with firfox ?
[13:43] <ogra> *firefox
[13:43] <lousiF> I preferred the .deb upgrade
[13:43] <oerheks> lousiF, their PPA is behind our official ones https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next?field.series_filter=jammy
[13:44] <ogra> do you have any support issue with firefox ?
[13:44] <lousiF> my FF-Dev is the same, built it from source. Now regular FF is a snap..
[13:44] <oerheks> yes, they are snaps now.
[13:44] <ogra> lousiF, do yu have a support question ?
[13:44] <lousiF> @oerheks, thx
[13:45] <ogra> (that PPA will likely go away soon and leave you with an outdated browser)
[13:45] <lousiF> woke up to an alien desktop this morning, trying to surf the web. lol
[13:45] <ogra> also .. we do not support PPAs here
[13:45] <Teli> ogra is there a place to just chat in general? i have questions only sections and stuff
[13:45] <lousiF> good thing I backed up ~/.mozilla
[13:45] <ogra> Teli, there are #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss
[13:45] <Teli> Thank you
[13:45] <ogra> lousiF, did the auto-profile-import not work for you ?
[13:46] <lousiF> @ogra, I got a prompt for something like that. my profiles from before the release upgrade aren
[13:46] <lousiF> t showing
[13:47] <ogra> lousiF, sounds like you should file a bug then https://support.mozilla.org/kb/file-bug-report-or-feature-request-mozilla
[13:47] <lousiF> I'll have to get the source tar.gz and do it that way I guess
[13:48] <rs2009> was wondering if anyone knows where the old Unity7 release processes are documented
[13:48] <ogra> the snap should properly import yur exiting profiles (and usually does for 99% of users) ... if this does not work, you should let mozilla know
[13:48] <ogra> rs2009, likely only the guys in #ubuntu-desktop ... but it is the weekend so not many will be around
[13:49] <lousiF> @ogra, thanks. I'm just not used to snaps.
[13:49] <ogra> theer is probably also something on the ubuntu wiki
[13:49] <Teli> What is the correct stylisation for the distros name?
[13:49] <Teli> Is it lower case
[13:50] <ogra> Ubuntu
[13:50] <Teli> What does it mean?
[13:50] <ogra> capital U
[13:50] <lousiF> OS: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS x86_64
[13:50] <lousiF> Jammy
[13:50] <lousiF> I was just at Impish
[13:50] <Teli> I am going to give it a shot now. Thanks
[13:51] <rs2009> ogra: oh, I did message Trevisan but didn't get a response yet, so thought it might be documented (like the other processes)
[13:51] <ogra> rs2009, he had a hard work and is probably resting 😉
[13:51] <cbreak> Teli: with ubuntu releases, you're  usually stuck with the same major version of anything as was there when they were released
[13:51] <ogra> s/work/week/
[13:51] <cbreak> no major updates, with very few exceptions
[13:52] <ogra> cbreak, gone 🙂
[13:52] <cbreak> ... ah well...
[13:54] <lousiF> also, in GNOME, x11
[13:54] <lousiF> not unity
[13:55] <rs2009> ogra: ah
[13:56] <MadLamb> How could I debug what is going wrong with my internet connection? When I am connected with wire and I am gaming it randomly disconnects.
[13:56] <lousiF> I'm just gonna build it from source now. I prefer the nerd route
[13:57] <ogra> MadLamb, watch your journal while it happens would be a god start
[13:57] <ogra> *good
[13:57] <oerheks> or your router log.. or other users on your network
[13:58] <MadLamb> oerheks, seems to be happening at fairly regular intervals. 30 min perhaps? My guess was something related to the dock and/or network card power mgmt.
[13:58] <MadLamb> ogra, will do, thanks
[13:59] <ogra> sounds like a good guess ... logs and the journal should give you confidence via data 😉
[14:07] <rs2009> was wondering if Launchpad is building a huge project, since I've been trying to upload a package to a PPA and build it since 2 days and the build keeps getting delayed (one was to fix an emergency touchpad issue and I did mark it as emergency, but it's being delayed since 6 hours)
[14:10] <ogra> rs2009, ask in #launchpad (though i think there were probs with the build queue last week)
[14:10] <ogra> don't expect a fast answer though, there is a sprint next week and people are traveling
[14:10] <NeNe> hi
[14:11] <lousiF> I had to uncomment the repos I had before do-release-upgrade, kinda forgot that whole process. but working OK so far
[14:11] <quackgyver> Why is there no "create shortcut" option in Ubuntu's context menu?
[14:11] <lousiF> quackgyver, maybe an extension for that..?
[14:12] <quackgyver> What?
[14:12] <lousiF> depends on your DE, WM
[14:15] <quackgyver> Ah I see. Well, I use whatever's the default in the most recent LTS version.
[14:16] <lousiF> try `uname -a` and/or  `neofetch`
[14:16] <rs2009> ogra, sur
[14:16] <rs2009> sure*
[14:23] <lousiF> Jellyfishes.. lol
[14:23] <lousiF> it's always a new species, fun stuff
[14:25] <tomreyn> quackgyver: because there are no shortcuts. maybe you're referring to a symbolic or hard link?
[14:25] <quackgyver> Ya same thing.
[14:26] <tomreyn> not really. but i don't think an option for creating either type of link exists in gnome files either
[14:26] <lousiF> I use nautilus.
[14:26] <tomreyn> but yu could probably add one yourself
[14:26] <quackgyver> I don't want to have to go through the console every time I want to create a shortcut.
[14:27] <quackgyver> Another question, how can I get a proper address bar in the file manager?
[14:27] <quackgyver> I.e. an input field that can be modified.
[14:27] <leftyfb> ctrl+l
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> ctrl+l
[14:28] <leftyfb> same as all web browsers
[14:28] <quackgyver> I mean, how can I make it act like an input field when I cilck on it?
[14:28] <quackgyver> click*
[14:28] <leftyfb> you don't
[14:28] <leftyfb> use ctrl+l
[14:29] <lousiF> ctrl+l  ctrl+v
[14:29] <quackgyver> No. I don't want to have to remember 40 different commands for every little thing that I want to do. It's not feasible.
[14:29] <oerheks> write them down :-D
[14:29] <quackgyver> Heh.
[14:29] <quackgyver> I want to reduce cognitive load, not add to it.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> create cli cmd text file
[14:30] <cbreak> interesting: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/218
[14:30] <quackgyver> Is there a way to make the path field act like an input field when clicking on it?
[14:30] <leftyfb> quackgyver: yes. The code for nautilus is open source. You are free to modify to fit your own personal needs
[14:30] <lousiF> echo $PATH
[14:31] <quackgyver> So it can't be customized without changing the source code?
[14:31] <cbreak> quackgyver: it works that way in dolphin
[14:31] <leftyfb> quackgyver: correct
[14:32] <quackgyver> cbreak: Is that a different file manager?
[14:32] <cbreak> yes
[14:32] <quackgyver> Can it be used instead of the default Ubuntu one?
[14:32] <cbreak> the one from kubuntu
[14:32] <quackgyver> Or rather, can other file managers be used instead of the one that Ubuntu ships with by default?
[14:32] <cbreak> there are a bunch of file managers you can use
[14:32] <lousiF> apt show mc
[14:32] <cbreak> I also like "ranger", but that's on command line
[14:32] <quackgyver> Nice.
[14:33] <cbreak> I use dolphin in Kubuntu, it should also work in normal ubuntu, if you don't mind it looking out of place
[14:33] <quackgyver> Is there a file manager that will allow me to use the path field as an input field, while also showing more items in the sidebar (like Computer and other such things)
[14:33] <leftyfb> mind you, installing dolphin is going to pull in almost 300 other dependency packages to support KDE applications
[14:33] <quackgyver> Because the file manager that Ubuntu ships with is honestly one of the worst experiences I've had to date in any OS. :D
[14:33] <cbreak> quackgyver: what would "computer" do in the sidebar?
[14:34] <lousiF> just use nautilus </opinion>
[14:34] <cbreak> but you can put in your own stuff there with dolphin
[14:34] <quackgyver> cbreak: The same thing that you get when you click on "+ Other Locations"
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: there are also tons of nautilus scripts and extensions you can find with apt-cache
[14:34] <cbreak> quackgyver: https://apps.kde.org/dolphin/ screenshots there
[14:35] <quackgyver> Yeah that sidebar looks way better.
[14:35] <cbreak> quackgyver: https://github.com/ranger/ranger, this one is also good
[14:35] <quackgyver> https://sourcedigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/nemo-root-01.jpg
[14:35] <cbreak> it uses millier columns
[14:35] <quackgyver> This is pretty much exactly what I want.
[14:36] <quackgyver> path bar is an input field, and all storage and network devices shown in the sidebar
[14:36] <cbreak> have you considered switching to kde? :D
[14:37] <cbreak> if you like lots of customization, kde offers that
[14:37] <quackgyver> I had KDE on this PC first, but everything was extremely broken.
[14:37] <cbreak> hmm...
[14:37] <quackgyver> Basically 50% of the user flows broke when I was 90% in.
[14:37] <quackgyver> So I reverted back to the vanilla Ubuntu experience.
[14:37] <quackgyver> I'm a bit wary of changing the file manager even.
[14:38] <quackgyver> But the default one is just so limiting.
[14:38] <cbreak> it's not neccessary to change. You can multiple at once, if you want to be confused :P
[14:38] <quackgyver> Hah.
[14:38] <quackgyver> Btw, if I install a new file manager, is it gonna mess things up for other users on the same PC?
[14:38] <quackgyver> I wanna make sure that my messing around isn't going to ruin the experience for other users .:D
[14:38] <quackgyver> users. *
[14:38] <cbreak> they are programs
[14:39] <cbreak> they shouldn't do anything if they're not started
[14:39] <quackgyver> Ah ok.
[14:39] <cbreak> (other than take up space)
[14:39] <ogra> there willbe an icon in their menu though
[14:39] <cbreak> and as leftyfb said, it's a kde application, so plenty of deps along with it that will also take up space
[14:39] <quackgyver> I don't mind dependencies.
[14:39] <quackgyver> I find that they don't take up that much space. :-)
[14:43] <quackgyver> Alright well, thanks so much for the help so far. Will check these things out. Much appreciated.
[14:44] <cbreak> quackgyver: do you like the command line?
[14:44] <quackgyver> I don't like or dislike it. I just think it's a specific tool for specific use cases. :D
[14:44] <quackgyver> Mainly running CLI apps.
[14:45] <quackgyver> And checking logs and stuff.
[14:47] <cbreak> yeah, then ranger might not be for you :/ I quite like it, especially with kitty term for more image support :)
[14:48] <lousiF> tilix ++
[15:21] <torbjorn1> when installing a new system with LVM on an empty drive (or erasing existing content) is it possible to step in and change the sizes of LVs set up for use?
[15:22] <torbjorn1> the installer seems to slurp up about all space available in the VG on the boot drive for the LVs in use
[15:22] <torbjorn1> whereas I'd rather save some space for future use
[15:25] <tomreyn> torbjorn1: which installer?
[15:25] <MadLamb> ogra, when I disconnect I get NetworkManager[933]: <info>  [1651329976.0037] policy: set '<network_name>' (wlp1s0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS
[15:25] <MadLamb> ogra, and after NetworkManager[933]: <info>  [1651329976.2778] policy: set 'Wired connection 1' (enx806d97224d23) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS
[15:26] <MadLamb> ogra, tried to turn off the wifi to see if it prevents switching
[15:26] <MadLamb> lets see
[15:26] <ogra> MadLamb, well, that is just NM telling you the connection went down/up ...
[15:28] <torbjorn1> tomreyn: I'm not quite sure to be honest. I booted an usb with the live image (3.4GB'ish) and installed from it
[15:28] <torbjorn1> at some point it asked how I wanted to install, I checked the 3rd option, with an Advanced... button that I clicked. I choose to have disk encryption and LVM
[15:28] <tomreyn> torbjorn1: what was the iso file called which you wrote to this usb storage?
[15:29] <torbjorn1> ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:29] <tomreyn> this seems to be some ubuntu desktop installer based on what you just said
[15:29] <tomreyn> oh ok
[15:29] <tomreyn> So you're asking about Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop amd64 :)
[15:30] <torbjorn1> yup
[15:30] <tomreyn> I'm afraid I forgot how LV's are sized by Ubiquity, the Desktop installer there.
[15:31] <torbjorn1> I have a 950G volume group, it now has 20G free space
[15:31] <tomreyn> but if they are too large youcould shrink the file system and LV and then add more LVs as needed
[15:31] <jhutchins> torbjorn1: I think the clue is that you've asked for encryption, and the installer encrypts the whole drive, not just volumes or partitions.
[15:31] <torbjorn1> root LV is 930 and swap is 1G
[15:31] <torbjorn1> jhutchins: yes, but that shouldnt be a problem
[15:32] <torbjorn1> I mean once the drive (the PV) is decrypted, there is no reason why it should allocate almost all VG disk space to one LV
[15:33] <tomreyn> the server installer and, if it happens sometime, next desktop installer probably, too, will not assign more disk space to the root file system than is needed, leaving the rest of the PV/VG available for new LVs
[15:33] <torbjorn1> I could just boot systemrescuecd, or perhaps the same ubuntu installer usb, decrypt the PV, shrink the ext4 root fs, then shirnk the LV, but itd be way easier just to intercept the installe process
[15:33] <torbjorn1> tomreyn: ok thanks, thats good to know. i dont mind reducing size manually for now
[15:34] <torbjorn1> could just grab the server installer for the next laptop perhaps, and just mirror the installed packages to this first system I guess?
[15:34] <torbjorn1> (I have 2 laptops I'm setting up)
[15:34] <tomreyn> this new installer was meant to happen for 22.04 desktop, but somehow it didn't.
[15:34] <torbjorn1> do you know how often they roll out updated installers?
[15:35] <tomreyn> you mean like completely rewritten ones? about every 10 years or so
[15:36] <torbjorn1> I meant to ask - is it likely that this new installer you talk about, would be available in a few months or so
[15:38] <tomreyn> torbjorn1: i assume it may be available as of the 22.10 ubuntu release, possibly.
[15:38] <tomreyn> I assume it won't go into any point release of 22.04 LTS. But... I can be wrong.
[15:39] <tomreyn> you can follow its development at https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer
[15:40] <tomreyn> and test it using the "canary" ISO images
[15:40] <tomreyn> (expect alpha quality)
[15:53] <torbjorn1> tomreyn: thanks!
[15:54] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:07] <ice9> sometimes when I wake up the laptop, i can't login through gdm at all and I must restart gdm then it works fine, any idea?
[17:09] <jhutchins> ice9: What exactly happens and what do you do when you try and fail to log in?
[17:10] <ice9> jhutchins, the login screen keeps loading and i have to press "escape" to be able to enter the password again
[17:11] <ice9> also i see this in auth.log https://bpa.st/62TA
[17:14] <tomreyn> by "wake up", do you mean it returns from suspend / power saving?
[17:14] <jhutchins> ice9: By "keeps loading" I take it to mean that when you enter the password it loops back to the login screen.
[17:14] <jhutchins> ice9: Is this the behavior when you enter an incorrect password?
[17:15] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release, kernel version, session (gnome-shell on Xorg or wayland or something else), graphics driver?
[17:16] <ice9> jhutchins, it loops back to login screen but the password text box is disabled, so I have to press "escape" twice so I can enter password and try login again; I didn't try with wrong password; ubuntu 22.04, 5.15.0-27, xorg; nvidia
[17:17] <jhutchins> ice9: So sometimes it works, other times it doesn't?
[17:18] <ice9> jhutchins, exactly
[17:19] <ice9> jhutchins, i mean sometimes this issue happens and i must restart gdm in this case
[17:21] <ice9> jhutchins, fyi, i also have yubikey, but when this issue happens, its even doesn't blink the key, so i think it stuck at the password verification step before reaching the key
[17:25] <kinghat> with docker installed as snap, where does one put the compose plugin?
[17:28] <alisonw> Should an existing install of 20>04lts pick up the 22.04lts release? My do-release-upgrade is stating there isn't an upgrade
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | alisonw
[17:29] <alisonw> thanks. (Was planning to only update one server for the moment to test but surprised at message. Many thanks)
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> alisonw: what a lot of users do, is upgrading -d on test machines or help debug early etc
[17:32] <alisonw> (I know I must have used to -d switch in the past but clearly my memory is going as I get older!)
[17:32] <mouai> Hi
[17:32] <mouai> I want help in red hat
[17:32] <mouai> thanks
[17:33] <tomreyn> !topic | mouai
[17:33] <mouai> Tomwryn
[17:33] <mouai> quiet
[17:33] <mouai> or
[17:33] <mouai> oll
[17:33] <mouai> ruck
[17:33] <mouai> or i will fuck u
[17:57] <lousiF> got FF running like normal. deleted the snap..
[18:24] <ooonea_eth> Has anyone managed to get video acceleration in Chrome on Ubuntu 22.04?
[18:24] <ooonea_eth> It's indecent that in 2022 there is still no support in Linux.
[18:25] <ravage> you should ask Google about it. Chrome is no official Ubuntu package
[18:27] <ooonea_eth> ravage It's true. But it is the same for Chromium.
[18:27] <ravage> for that check the snapcraft forum
[18:38] <ogra> i'm pretty sure the chromium snap comes with VAAPI enabled and working ...
[18:39] <ooonea_eth> ogra Great!
[18:43] <ogra> (at least it did ... if it does not anymore thats clearly a bug)
[18:54] <lousiF> I have the ungoogled-chromium flatpak installed. works fine
[18:56] <ice9> jhutchins, you there?
[19:05] <jhutchins> ice9: Marginally.
[19:06] <jhutchins> ice9: I'm guessing you can log in to the console ok even when gdm is misbehaving.
[19:07] <ice9> jhutchins, yes, that's how I restart gdm
[19:07] <jhutchins> ice9: I use lightdm, but it doesn't have some of the gnome integration that gdm has.
[19:08] <jhutchins> ice9: Did we cover which release you're on?  When did this start happening?
[19:08] <ice9> it's happening from previous releases, not new
[19:11] <jhutchins> ice9: Well, there's something to try.
[19:11] <jhutchins> ice9: The inner workings of gdm are pretty much a mystery to me, and I gather not too many others here know them well or they'd have jumped in.
[19:12] <jhutchins> The usual things to try would be create a new user and see if it happens then - if so, it's something in the user profile.
[19:12] <jhutchins> Delete any cache or configuration files for gdm and re-create them.
[19:13] <jhutchins> Replace gdm with something like lightdm, remove all traces of gdm, then re-install it.
[19:14] <jhutchins> Move to the wilds of Zanzibar and never deal with computers again.
[19:26] <lousiF> ^^
[19:27] <lousiF> Jellyfish don't need the internet or computers.
[19:32] <freakyy85> hi all. i have a question. i installed ubuntu and Discord. Discord worked. Everything showed like expected. Now i did apt install kde-full and in there ran discord. worked aswell. now when switching back to gnome, it only shows a window with all black background and no channels whatsoever. what can i do?
[19:38] <maggot87> Hello. On Ubuntu 22.04, I started noticing that mouse selections on the desktop closest to the dock are only shown when they are wider than a certain amount (it seems to be about the width of the dock). Is this issue happening just for me, and if not, are there any bug reports that already exist?
[19:42] <tomreyn> maggot87: i think with these symptoms it won't be easy to find a duplicate report, but you can still try. search on launchpad.net, probably for gnome-shell or mutter packages. though this could also be graphics driver or graphics server (Xorg or Wayland) related
[19:43] <tomreyn> the easier approach may be to file a new bug against one of those packages (i'm not sure which, really, my guess would be on mutter)
[19:43] <tomreyn> !bug | maggot87
[19:44] <tomreyn> if you can catch this in a screenshot or a tiny video you can upload that can be useful.
[20:05] <gavin> hi
[20:57] <Crucifyy> so ive been on 22.04 for a few days now, just tried to play some minecraft.... Wont launch, crashes exit code 1 100% of the time.. Any ideas?
[21:03] <Macer> does it make more sense to use nextcloud vs owncloud nowadays?
[21:04] <Macer> i am essentially attempting to replace icloud
[21:06] <tomreyn> Crucifyy: if you can produce error messages which seem to be related to something that's not minecraft, post them to a pastebin-like service and share the url here.
[21:07] <tomreyn> termbin.com works fine, for example
[21:07] <tomreyn> i mean something that looks more like it could actually be an ubuntu issue
[21:08] <Crucifyy> yea, it seems to be a MC error. Maybe i just need to wait it out till it gets an Update
[21:09] <tomreyn> Macer: neither is packaged in ubuntu (via apt, there can be snaps), you could try #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations, or search the web - i'm sure there are several websites comparing the two.
[21:20] <en11gma> i downloaded ubuntu 18.04 amd64 and wrote it to gpt on usb stick. my motherboard is x570 and 3060ti. i disabled secure boot. i can see the boot menu and i can even edit boot options with "nomodeset" but i only get a black screen. how do i fix this? i also have a B660I and 12600k with a 1060 ti. would that system work better with 18.04 live usb?
[21:21] <en11gma> do i need to download some linux chipset drivers and put them on a seperate usb stick or something? how do i get older distro working with newer hardware?
[21:22] <tomreyn> a kernel upgrade may help, sometimes you'll also need PPAs. but the best option for newer hardware is newer software.
[21:23] <tomreyn> i.e. why do you want to use 18.04, which has just one more year of free support?
[21:26] <en11gma> im having problems with my rtlsdr hardware and some other stuff like qspectrumanalyzer too
[21:27] <en11gma> so i wanted to go back to when i knew it worked before but i have upgraded my computers since then
[21:27] <en11gma> but still have the rtlsdr devices
[21:27] <tomreyn> hmm, it's usually best to fix things forwards not backwards, if you can.
[21:28] <tomreyn> so the 18.04 live usb boots to a black screen after grub, you say?
[21:28] <en11gma> it was supposed to be a simple thing and it has turned into a long process. so far i have wrote 20.04, 18.04 and kali 2017 and 2018 but kali wouldnt boot
[21:28] <tomreyn> that's with boh default grub settings as well as with failsafe graphics mode?
[21:29] <en11gma> i also had to disable csm and secure boot for kali but still no luck. lol
[21:29] <tomreyn> we can't support kali here anyways
[21:29] <en11gma> yep with 18.04 screen goes black (i still can cntrl-alt-del) and it will reboot
[21:29] <en11gma> there is no safe graphics option so i edited the line and added nomodeset
[21:30] <en11gma> i know im just saying its been a long process when it was supposed to be simple
[21:30] <en11gma> lol
[21:30] <tomreyn> weird, i was thinking there was, are you not uefi booting?
[21:30] <en11gma> i never really had the problem with too new of hardware before :)
[21:31] <en11gma> 18.04 i have it gpt partitioned with rufus and wrote image (18.04) then it wouldnt boot so i disabled secure boot in uefi
[21:31] <en11gma> then i got to grub menu
[21:31] <tomreyn> is this the latest 18.04 point release, or a very old one?
[21:31] <en11gma> i think it was the 18.04 daily
[21:31] <tomreyn> use releases, not dailies, if you want to solve problems
[21:32] <tomreyn> daylies are for QA
[21:35] <tomreyn> https://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.6/ubuntu-18.04.6-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent is the torrent file for the latest 18.04 point release
[21:35] <en11gma> i was thinking the daily of ubuntu 18.04 would just have all the security updates
[21:35] <en11gma> ok thanks. will try that.
[21:36] <tomreyn> it's possible you'll just get the same result, though, due to old OS and new hardware. that's not unexpected.
[21:38] <WeeBey> I found a bug with jammy's gnome. Dock at bottom, set to auto hide. Make an app full screen (e.g., browser). Go to the bottom to select an app and select quit. By the time you press quit, the dock autohides and instead it selects the menu entry above quit (see details) which launches the software repository app.
[21:39] <tomreyn> en11gma: if you want an nice user experience, I'd recommend to use hardware which works fine with open source drivers, and an Ubuntu release which was released around the same time or, better, a bit later than the hardware in question.
[21:39] <tomreyn> !bug | WeeBey
[21:40] <tomreyn> you can't effectively report a bug here, it will just go to /dev/null
[21:41] <tomreyn> but "(see details)" makes me think you already reoprted it elsewhere.
[21:41] <evdubs> is this channel also a snap support channel? how do i get firefox to open local .html files?
[21:42] <evdubs> i looked at firefox permissions in the ubuntu software app and i have personal-files, system-files, etc. all enabled
[21:43] <tomreyn> evdubs: if those snaps are run on ubuntu, you can give it a try. it's a community support channel for ubuntu. if someone knows an answer to your ubuntu related question they may respond.
[21:43] <evdubs> i am running the firefox snap on ubuntu 22.04
[21:47] <tomreyn> evdubs: by default, snaps are limited to which directories they can access. by default, they cannot access file and subdirectories in your /home/username directory other than /home/username/snap/snapname (
[21:49] <tomreyn> in Settings, you can change what a given snap can access
[21:50] <evdubs> ahh okay. the Settings app shows those file access permissions as not being granted even though they were shown as granted in Ubuntu Software
[21:51] <WeeBey> tomreyn, haha. Funny. Ok, i'll check out this page.
[21:53] <evdubs> tomreyn, do you know if it is necessary to restart firefox to apply a change of permissions?
[21:54] <tomreyn> evdubs: not really, no. i would assume you don't need to.
[21:57] <jhutchins> What functional browsers are available in Ubuntu besides Firefox and Chrome/Chromium?  Is Opra still viable?
[21:58] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/search?q=opera
[22:00] <en11gma> tomreyn i didnt forget about you. just got busy for a min. writing 18.04.6 to usb stick right now. gpt partition and fat32 selected
[22:00] <en11gma> iso method
[22:02] <en11gma> if it dont work on the x570 + 3060ti i will try it on the b660i + 1060 ti or just use the 12600k i-gpu
[22:02] <tomreyn> en11gma: it'll be best to do a direct / raw copy, not create file systems
[22:02] <en11gma> you mean with DD method?
[22:02] <en11gma> in rufus (in windows 11) it lets me pick iso/dd
[22:02] <tomreyn> using dd is an option, yes. cp, too
[22:03] <tomreyn> i think "dd method" in rufus is supposed to work
[22:03] <en11gma> crap. its already writing
[22:03] <en11gma> ill test the iso method and if it dont work i will do the dd method
[22:04] <en11gma> brb. just finished and thanks
[22:04] <JoeBk> the best app for writing flash drives is Ventoy.  ventoy.net
[22:05] <tomreyn> same say this, others say that ;)
[22:05] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#3-create-a-bootable-usb-stick
[22:05] <JoeBk> you can put multiple iso images on the flash drive.
[22:05] <thrice> Sounds nice in theory, but a situation I've never found myself in
[22:10] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#7-write-warnings actually recommends using 'iso mode' with rufus, not 'dd mode'. i feel like i read the opposite here. but i never used rufus myself.
[22:23] <evdubs> does the following seem like it should be possible: i can attach a .pdf from /var/tmp to a GMail message, but i cannot open a .html file from that folder due to permissions
[22:24] <evdubs> (all in firefox 99 snap)
[22:26] <oerheks> put it in your regular /home/  folder?
[22:26] <evdubs> it works from /home/ but it seems odd that gmail attach file is able to bypass permissions
[22:27] <oerheks> it is not normal to use files from .temp
[22:27] <evdubs> that's fine if it's not normal, but it's how i have things set up and i would like to enable non-normal folder locations to be accessed
[22:28] <oerheks> being root, i guess
[22:28] <oerheks> and that would bite with permissions..
[22:30] <evdubs> right, i'd rather just dump firefox snap
[22:32] <tomreyn> you could install it unconfined, but that'd mean you loose all the protection snap confinement provides.
[22:32] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-confinement
[22:33] <Crucifyy> tomreyn: Uninstalled MC and redownloaded the deb from mojang and its working fine.. odd
[22:34] <tomreyn> 👍
[22:35] <Crucifyy> guess it didn't care for the upgrade to jammy much lol
[22:35] <GuestNoZero> Hello. I need to set certain beep sounds with certain keyboard keys, how can I do that?
[22:38] <circuitbone> I use one called `berryboot` in raspi land and hear `ventoy` mentioned a lot for multiple iso images on drives in here
[22:42] <tomreyn> Ubuntivity: Settings -> Keyboard, scroll to the bottom and press on the plus icon.
[22:44] <Ubuntivity> tomreyn would that work while typing in certain applications?
[22:44] <Ubuntivity> I need to set numpad keys to play certain beeps while actually typing the values in a spreadsheet
[22:44] <tomreyn> Ubuntivity: not while typing into an input field, i would think
[22:49] <xboxbml> hey all.. i have latest vbox on macbook air Catalina 10.15.7. I have 3 linux vm's created. Linux Mint 20.3 Ubuntu 20.04 and 22.04 and have latest guest editions on each. I cannot get drag and drop from host to guest to work in Ubuntu 22.04.. any thoughts?
[22:50] <Ubuntivity> How can I intercept the keystroke to play a beep while still performing regular action within applications?
[22:51] <tomreyn> xboxbml: use an xorg based session (i think this is in virtualbox documentation)
[22:52] <tomreyn> Ubuntivity: that, too, would probably only work in xorg
[22:52] <Ubuntivity> tomreyn: Where should I start?
[22:52] <tomreyn> xev
[22:55] <xboxbml> hmm..don't really know what xorg based session is.. i'm no expert in any of this.. i just know i can do this on my LM and 20.04 vm's.. but 22.04 it doesn't work..
[22:55] <xboxbml> they must have changed something in this release.. some security thing or something
[22:56] <ravage> xboxbml, logout. click your username. click the gear icon on the lower right. choose "Ubuntu on Xorg"
[22:56] <Ubuntivity> tomreyn: xev just gives me the keycode of the key I pressed (AFAIK). How can xev issue certain command to a certain keycode?
[22:56] <xboxbml> i've posted this this on vbox chan as well.. no hits
[22:59] <jhutchins> evdubs: It sounds like you have read permissions, but not execute.
[22:59] <jhutchins> evdubs: Your system _should_ open the html file as text though.
[23:06] <Ubuntivity> Is there a way to monitor keystrokes in background?
[23:07] <oerheks> that is called ... keylogger?
[23:08] <cbreak> there probably is. After all, tools like the launcher can do so.
[23:08] <Ubuntivity> oerheks: Something like that. I need to play certain beeps with numpad key presses while keeping them functional in spreadsheet program
[23:13] <Ubuntivity> can xbindkeys do the job for me?
[23:49] <wathcat> hi
[23:49] <wathcat> yoo