[00:04] leftyfb: i'm baaaaaaaaaaaack. i think this may be a bug with unattended-upgrades? or maybe I need to pin the firefox package from main instead of increasing the priority of the ppa package [00:05] it's just weird because sudo apt install firefox does the right thing [00:06] (and downgrades the currently installed package to the one in the ppa) [00:26] is it a known issue that firefox 99 in ubuntu 22.04 crashes when going full screen/maximized? [00:28] evdubs, definitely not ... [00:29] it tells me "Exiting due to channel error." from the command line [00:29] not sure if i can get more verbose logging [00:29] evdubs: firefox 100 is already in the PPA, you might want to see if it's fixed there before proceeding to debug [00:29] evdubs: if it is, then where snap info firefox says is the "contact" for it will have a bug reported for it. if not, potentially, you could report one there. [00:30] there are also beta and edge channels for the snap, providing newer versions [00:30] 100 and 101 [00:32] on what session; Xorg or Wayland, and what video card/driver? [00:33] argh actually I can't reproduce how firefox keeps getting switched to the snap package. the apt history shows unattended-upgrade does it, but running `sudo unattended-upgrade` obeys the pin priority. [00:33] maccam94[m], we dont support PPAs here [00:33] i'm not asking about PPA support, this is basic apt pinning [00:33] (also ths one is likely soon going away) [00:34] I am aware, I don't intend on continuing to update firefox until xdg-portal works for my password manager [00:34] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next?field.series_filter=kinetic [00:34] grinn [00:34] ah, you were the kepassxc person 🙂 [00:35] oerheks, not sure about xorg/wayland. on previous ubuntu releases i used xorg, but i think 22.04 moved to wayland? i'm on nvidia [00:35] kinetic will be the name of 22.10 ? [00:35] then you are still on xorg [00:35] nvidia default to xorg (nvidia asked for it last minute) [00:35] *defaults [00:35] does anyone know if there are special ways that unattended-upgrade gets invoked with different behavior? or is there some extra special firefox-snap migration script that's messing with me? [00:36] actually, i think i somehow got kicked to nouveau... [00:36] oh [00:36] let me sort this out. sorry, all [00:36] well, it's still a bug 🙂 [00:37] maccam94[m]: there is scripting in the firefox apt packages to install snapd and the firefox snap, if that's what you're asking [00:38] I am aware that the firefox package in main installs the snap, but this is after I downgrade from that package version to the version from the PPA [00:38] is it possible there's some metapackage that forces a version constraint on firefox? [00:39] if it was just about the snap a simple "sudo snap disable firefox" would help ... but that will indeed not make apt look for the other deb by default [00:39] newest is newest,... [00:39] I would hope that would just throw an error with the version constraint solver, but I've never accused apt of having a particularly intelligent version constraint system [00:39] unattended-upgrades has a debug and dry-run mode [00:40] tomreyn: yeah I just failed to reproduce the behavior when running it by hand :'( [00:40] which can help you verify that you have the right package source filters set up for it [00:40] it won't install packages from a ppa by default [00:41] s/install/upgrade/ [00:42] thanks for the help regarding my firefox issue. i think it may have been display driver related. prior to 22.04, i was on nvidia-470. i tried to move to nvidia-510 but got some error. apparently this kicked me to nouveau without restarting my computer [00:42] i tried to move to nvidia-510, restarted, and now i can maximize firefox [00:43] yay [00:43] `apt policy firefox` shows the right version is set based on the pin priorities. `sudo apt install firefox` does the right thing. `sudo unattended-upgrade` also doesn't seem to install the snap package anymore. but it seems like every time there's an update to the jammy/main firefox package, the automated process upgrades to it [00:45] note that the jammy/main firefox package hasn't been updated in a month https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox [00:45] hm actually it's not when the snap gets updated, it's when there's an update for the ppa package [00:45] yeah i just had a look at the changelog [00:46] so somehow it's seeing there's an update available, but then choosing the wrong package. maybe it has something to do with unattended-upgrades only selecting packages from certain origins? [00:47] probably, which is why i pointed out it wont use ppa's by default [00:48] but then we don't now which origins you have configured [00:48] *know [00:49] maybe it goes like: 1. ignore origins except for whitelist 2. pins for non-whitelisted origins are ignored 3. firefox gets upgraded again [00:49] The end of this article mentions how to make automated updates work with rico's ppa; you may find it useful https://balintreczey.hu/blog/firefox-on-ubuntu-22-04-from-deb-not-from-snap/ [00:50] so hopefully a pin < 0 on the firefox package from main would still apply [00:50] I personally remove that package and just update myself, gives me an excuse to do something in the terminal.. [00:50] enigma9o7: yeah that pin config is basically what I've arrived at [00:50] (unattended-upgrades I mean) [00:51] so hopefully that will work [00:53] but i am kinda wild and crazy like that, i try to keep under 850 packages if i can [00:54] * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (433KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/srREBDOEDLFMaIkLaYLUDuGt/Screenshot%20from%202022-04-29%2017-53-57.png > === brentaarnold_ is now known as brentaarnold [02:42] hi everyone, I have a 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. M91XX (rev 01) with four mini display ports. I connected one of them to my monitor via mini dp to dp adapter. Gnome display doesn't seem to recognize the monitor. How can i fix this? [02:42] Only resolution available is currently 640x480 [03:22] hi [03:22] welcome blackop [03:23] can somebody tell me what color code purple is ubuntu 22.04 terminal? [03:23] lotuspsychje: thanks [03:26] https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette/ [03:26] maybe Dark Aubergine #2C001E [03:27] blackop: think there are tools out there to show the whole color pallette, checkout unixporn on reddit for color ricing [03:29] @blacktop try gpick [03:29] errr blackop gpick well tell you anything's color code [03:30] i dont have ubuntu installed now.. can somebody do me a favor and check terminal preferences if it shows terminal color code there? [03:30] 22.04 [03:35] blackop: #300a24 [03:35] maccam94[m]: thank you!Q [03:36] i love ubuntu colors really [03:36] orange and purple combines perfect [04:24] How do you run windows exes once Wine has been installed? [04:27] quackgyver: man, it's been a while. IIRC from the terminal it's just 'wine path/to/some.exe' [04:28] little extra effort, sometimes, to run them through GUI. Never done that on Ubuntu, it could be preconfigured [04:29] Hm, I see. [04:29] I was hoping to be able to run it through a context menu or something. [04:34] quackgyver: you can also try playonlinux for more ease [04:35] !info playonlinux [04:35] playonlinux (4.3.4-2, jammy): front-end for Wine. In component multiverse, is optional. Built by playonlinux. Size 867 kB / 2,903 kB [05:03] quackgyver: sudo cp /usr/share/doc/wine*/examples/wine.desktop /usr/share/applications/ [05:03] sudo update-desktop-database [05:03] These will allow you to run .exe programs from the context menu; it's disabled by default for security reasons [05:08] wasnt that enabled on previous ubuntu releases alkisg ? [05:19] lotuspsychje: it was, I think it was changed in 18.04 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [06:10] powerprofilesctl reports that driver is "placeholder"... so does the settings ui choice between "balanced" and "powersaver" actually do something? At least /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/ and powertop report identical settings for both balanced and powersaver. [06:12] Hi, I can't find the legacy server image for 22.04 LTS? [06:55] Hello! I'm getting a strange error when attempting to run `apt update`: https://paste2.org/1L0UDsvP [06:58] cbreak, yeah [06:58] gnome [07:00] what is the package for libreoffice documentation? [07:01] The LibreOffice built-in help for current UI language (English (USA)) is not installed on your computer. You may either install it from our website or your system’s repositories, or read an online version. [07:39] ick, sudo apt install libreoffice-help-en-us === kushagra07 is now known as kushagra0 === kushagra07 is now known as kushagra0 [10:14] Any way to get Ubuntu 22.04 to install with ZFS as its filesystem? I am logged in over IPMI so no graphical installer, just the text based one [10:46] Why is apt so long compared to pacman? [10:48] b4b4, it's not... [10:48] It is. [10:48] because it was designed in times of long internet, so nobody noticed back there ;) [10:49] b4b4: maybe for *you* yes. it's fine here. [10:53] Fossil: debootstrap would work. i assume the server installer will also work if you use it with an autostart file. [10:54] tomreyn Trying that now [10:54] I think pacman can dl in parallel unlike apt [10:55] Fossil: the latter would be the more supported approach, i reckon [10:55] (but can be overengineering if you just need to make one installation) [10:55] Ok will read into that [10:57] https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html [10:57] but it needs the desktop iso and a way to start a ssh server from it [10:58] I am actually just following that guide, but I am confused as it looks they use a seperate disk for some stuff. Trying to figure it out now [10:59] maybe it is easier not to use ZFS as your root filesystem [10:59] install the system on LVM or a standard raid1 and configure ZFS for the storage part later [10:59] thats what i usually do [11:01] * ogra notes that "apt" is half as long as "pacman" ! [11:05] xubuntu 21.04 iso was like 1.8G in size. Ubuntu 22.04 is 3.4G. So its' halve as long as 22.04 [11:06] hi everyone [11:07] hey [11:39] so, apt upgrade does not seem to find some packages for me, only some like brave [11:39] new packages to install that is, but when I look at the ppa:s etc I can see there are new versions available [11:39] any ideas? [11:41] full-upgrade [11:44] thanks for suggestion but did not make a difference (I think issue is apt-get update not finding any packages to uprade) [11:44] not performing the upgrade [11:45] sudo apt-get update runs without errors? [11:45] yep. let me paste the output [11:45] find the name of brave package [11:45] show [11:45] apt-cache policy brave_etc_ [11:45] have already upgraded it. let me see [11:46] http://vpaste.net/mxmTC [11:46] thats the output of update [11:46] brave-browser/stable,now 1.38.109 amd64 [installed [11:47] brave-browser/stable,now 1.38.109 amd64 [installed] [11:47] !hirsute | davve [11:47] davve: Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) was the 34th release of Ubuntu, support ended on January 20, 2022. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-January/000276.html [11:48] oh [11:48] im using an unsupported version? [11:48] yes davve best to install a supported version (from this channels topic) [11:49] non LTS Ubuntu releases only get a year of support [11:49] yes, disable PPA, run upgrade to next release, enable PPA [11:49] if exist, etc. [11:51] not even a year [11:56] haha [11:56] can we help you xhg [11:57] no thanks [12:14] error [12:46] Hi. I checked Ubuntu's repo for tools for GSM SIM cards but there was hardly anything there. Does anyone know if their is a channel on this IRC network for cell phones? [12:48] Phoros: You may need to compile an app yourself if it's not in the repo or PPA. What are you trying to do? use a sim card reader? access a sim via phone? [12:49] I am trying to clone my SIM card [12:50] heh, get a new one from your telco [12:50] i can't. i registered it under a fake name 18 years ago [12:51] Well, cloning a SIM card is illegal in many countries [12:51] so is using a phone under a fake name [12:51] Hasn't stopped me [12:51] I don't think people here will help you do something that's illegal. [12:52] Probably not. Ubuntu users tend to be sissy boys [12:52] :) No, Ubuntu users tend to be smart and not incriminate themselves on a public network :) [12:52] LOL! OKAY [12:52] [12:53] gordonjcp: How did I handle that? [12:53] wez: pretty good [12:53] only commit one crime at a time [12:53] also [12:53] :P [12:53] I know exactly how to duplicate SIM cards using teh l00nix but because of Phoros's attitude I'll keep it to myself [12:53] also [12:54] duplicating SIM cards won't necessarily solve your problem [12:54] also [12:54] ssshhh, it's illegal gordonjcp [12:54] :) [12:54] depends on why you're doing it tbh [13:13] gordonjcp: Yeah, it could be for acedemic reasons, but in Phoros's case, I doubt it. [13:15] * jailbreak thought this was a support channel... [13:16] jailbreak: Ubuntu support channel [13:16] It has a scope :) [13:16] wez: *then* take your offtopic to #ubuntu-offtopic... [13:17] jailbreak: Channel moderation is on scope :) There seems to be a lack of ops in here though. [13:18] wez: pretty sure you've been told this before yet carry on with the offtopic... [13:18] anyway, bye. :-) [13:18] jailbreak: I could see that being an issue if anyone was talking about Ubuntu support [13:18] jailbreak: or indeed, *anything* [13:19] ;-) [13:19] jailbreak: Probably, but whose counting :) [13:20] So, is ubuntu 22.04 ready for production use yet? Or give it a few months? [13:21] wez, wait for the 22.04.1 release point [13:21] like every LTS before 22.04 is ready with the .1 release [13:21] Hi all [13:21] Cheers [13:21] I'm using 22.04, it seems okay [13:22] I'm also using DaVinci Resolve 18.0b1 because I'm a maniac [13:23] hi [13:27] I hear it's black magic [13:29] alkisg: It still doesn't appear in my context menu after doing that. [13:29] lotuspsychje: I would, but it doesn't say who the publisher is in the app store. [13:30] I don't want to download random third party software from an unknown source. [13:31] quackgyver, what app exactly? [13:31] playonlinux [13:32] quackgyver, if you did not manually add a PPA, all packages in ubuntu come from a trusted surce [13:32] *source [13:32] all apt packages do [13:32] all packages do [13:32] snaps even more than debs [13:32] Alright good to know. [13:32] you can still install third-party stuff from flatpack, snap or what ever [13:33] But it's weird that the software store warns you that the third party application is unsafe then. [13:33] playonlinux is just a bunch of install scripts on top of wine, it is proprietary though [13:33] and flatpak falls in the PPA category [13:33] (you would need to manually enable it first) [13:34] Are flatpaks very popular these days? [13:34] quackgyver, the ubuntu store on your desktop ? [13:34] Yes. [13:34] and of course you can install .deb packages manually too [13:34] Teli, no. we support snaps. [13:35] Teli: I've never seen one in person, but I read they're moer popular than snap [13:35] (outside ubuntu) [13:35] heh [13:35] Are snaps the installation files that Ubuntu will be using in the future or are they only for certain things [13:35] both [13:35] they're not installation files, they're more self-contained application + dependency images [13:35] we have a fully snap based OS (Ubuntu Core) where everything is a snap and no deb support is included [13:36] I tried running an exe via terminal, which worked, but then when I add it to the launch bar I can't run it from there. I just get a popup stating "winedbg was unable to attach to the process to obtain a backtrace" [13:36] they usually stay separate from the rest of your system, not installed [13:36] Every time I run it outside of the launch bar it works, but it doesn't work when launched via the launch bar. [13:36] quackgyver, for windows application help, join #winehq [13:36] Ok thanks. [13:38] Is Ubuntu the most popular distro for people starting out? [13:38] usually yes [13:38] What is the most popular distro? [13:38] Teli, please don't poll, this is ubuntu support only [13:39] oerheks I am wanting support to see which to choose. [13:39] then #linux [13:39] to get support here, choose ubuntu [13:39] Ok thanks [13:40] do I choose What does LTS mean [13:41] long term supported [13:41] Aren't they all? [13:41] no [13:41] non LTS systems get fixes and security updates for the period of a pregnancy ... (9 months) ... [13:41] LTS systems get support for 10y [13:41] No, lts gives 5 years, other versions just 9 months. [13:41] and 5 years paid* [13:41] nah [13:42] Cool. I will go the LTS then [13:42] 5 free and 5 after free registration [13:42] Teli: LTS is a good call, but I'd go with 20.04 [13:42] for persona use nothing is paid ... [13:42] That is really good to know. I had a look at some others and they are not support for very long. That is why I am leaning Ubuntu [13:42] *personal [13:42] ogra, rue, but not in this channel :-D [13:42] I just upgraded into Jammy. Is there a .deb repo for Firefox?? [13:42] c/true [13:42] Teli: unless you must have the latest and greatest [13:42] now it's a snap.. urgh [13:43] lousiF: and? [13:43] lousiF, can we help you with any problem with firfox ? [13:43] *firefox [13:43] I preferred the .deb upgrade [13:43] lousiF, their PPA is behind our official ones https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next?field.series_filter=jammy [13:44] do you have any support issue with firefox ? [13:44] my FF-Dev is the same, built it from source. Now regular FF is a snap.. [13:44] yes, they are snaps now. [13:44] lousiF, do yu have a support question ? [13:44] @oerheks, thx [13:45] (that PPA will likely go away soon and leave you with an outdated browser) [13:45] woke up to an alien desktop this morning, trying to surf the web. lol [13:45] also .. we do not support PPAs here [13:45] ogra is there a place to just chat in general? i have questions only sections and stuff [13:45] good thing I backed up ~/.mozilla [13:45] Teli, there are #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss [13:45] Thank you [13:45] lousiF, did the auto-profile-import not work for you ? [13:46] @ogra, I got a prompt for something like that. my profiles from before the release upgrade aren [13:46] t showing [13:47] lousiF, sounds like you should file a bug then https://support.mozilla.org/kb/file-bug-report-or-feature-request-mozilla [13:47] I'll have to get the source tar.gz and do it that way I guess [13:48] was wondering if anyone knows where the old Unity7 release processes are documented [13:48] the snap should properly import yur exiting profiles (and usually does for 99% of users) ... if this does not work, you should let mozilla know [13:48] rs2009, likely only the guys in #ubuntu-desktop ... but it is the weekend so not many will be around [13:49] @ogra, thanks. I'm just not used to snaps. [13:49] theer is probably also something on the ubuntu wiki [13:49] What is the correct stylisation for the distros name? [13:49] Is it lower case [13:50] Ubuntu [13:50] What does it mean? [13:50] capital U [13:50] OS: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS x86_64 [13:50] Jammy [13:50] I was just at Impish [13:50] I am going to give it a shot now. Thanks [13:51] ogra: oh, I did message Trevisan but didn't get a response yet, so thought it might be documented (like the other processes) [13:51] rs2009, he had a hard work and is probably resting 😉 [13:51] Teli: with ubuntu releases, you're usually stuck with the same major version of anything as was there when they were released [13:51] s/work/week/ [13:51] no major updates, with very few exceptions [13:52] cbreak, gone 🙂 [13:52] ... ah well... [13:54] also, in GNOME, x11 [13:54] not unity [13:55] ogra: ah [13:56] How could I debug what is going wrong with my internet connection? When I am connected with wire and I am gaming it randomly disconnects. [13:56] I'm just gonna build it from source now. I prefer the nerd route [13:57] MadLamb, watch your journal while it happens would be a god start [13:57] *good [13:57] or your router log.. or other users on your network [13:58] oerheks, seems to be happening at fairly regular intervals. 30 min perhaps? My guess was something related to the dock and/or network card power mgmt. [13:58] ogra, will do, thanks [13:59] sounds like a good guess ... logs and the journal should give you confidence via data 😉 [14:07] was wondering if Launchpad is building a huge project, since I've been trying to upload a package to a PPA and build it since 2 days and the build keeps getting delayed (one was to fix an emergency touchpad issue and I did mark it as emergency, but it's being delayed since 6 hours) [14:10] rs2009, ask in #launchpad (though i think there were probs with the build queue last week) [14:10] don't expect a fast answer though, there is a sprint next week and people are traveling [14:10] hi [14:11] I had to uncomment the repos I had before do-release-upgrade, kinda forgot that whole process. but working OK so far [14:11] Why is there no "create shortcut" option in Ubuntu's context menu? [14:11] quackgyver, maybe an extension for that..? [14:12] What? [14:12] depends on your DE, WM [14:15] Ah I see. Well, I use whatever's the default in the most recent LTS version. [14:16] try `uname -a` and/or `neofetch` [14:16] ogra, sur [14:16] sure* [14:23] Jellyfishes.. lol [14:23] it's always a new species, fun stuff [14:25] quackgyver: because there are no shortcuts. maybe you're referring to a symbolic or hard link? [14:25] Ya same thing. [14:26] not really. but i don't think an option for creating either type of link exists in gnome files either [14:26] I use nautilus. [14:26] but yu could probably add one yourself [14:26] I don't want to have to go through the console every time I want to create a shortcut. [14:27] Another question, how can I get a proper address bar in the file manager? [14:27] I.e. an input field that can be modified. [14:27] ctrl+l [14:27] ctrl+l [14:28] same as all web browsers [14:28] I mean, how can I make it act like an input field when I cilck on it? [14:28] click* [14:28] you don't [14:28] use ctrl+l [14:29] ctrl+l ctrl+v [14:29] No. I don't want to have to remember 40 different commands for every little thing that I want to do. It's not feasible. [14:29] write them down :-D [14:29] Heh. [14:29] I want to reduce cognitive load, not add to it. [14:29] create cli cmd text file [14:30] interesting: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/218 [14:30] Issue 218 in ubuntu/zsys "USERDATA datasets removed" [Open] [14:30] Is there a way to make the path field act like an input field when clicking on it? [14:30] quackgyver: yes. The code for nautilus is open source. You are free to modify to fit your own personal needs [14:30] echo $PATH [14:31] So it can't be customized without changing the source code? [14:31] quackgyver: it works that way in dolphin [14:31] quackgyver: correct [14:32] cbreak: Is that a different file manager? [14:32] yes [14:32] Can it be used instead of the default Ubuntu one? [14:32] the one from kubuntu [14:32] Or rather, can other file managers be used instead of the one that Ubuntu ships with by default? [14:32] there are a bunch of file managers you can use [14:32] apt show mc [14:32] I also like "ranger", but that's on command line [14:32] Nice. [14:33] I use dolphin in Kubuntu, it should also work in normal ubuntu, if you don't mind it looking out of place [14:33] Is there a file manager that will allow me to use the path field as an input field, while also showing more items in the sidebar (like Computer and other such things) [14:33] mind you, installing dolphin is going to pull in almost 300 other dependency packages to support KDE applications [14:33] Because the file manager that Ubuntu ships with is honestly one of the worst experiences I've had to date in any OS. :D [14:33] quackgyver: what would "computer" do in the sidebar? [14:34] just use nautilus [14:34] but you can put in your own stuff there with dolphin [14:34] cbreak: The same thing that you get when you click on "+ Other Locations" [14:34] quackgyver: there are also tons of nautilus scripts and extensions you can find with apt-cache [14:34] quackgyver: https://apps.kde.org/dolphin/ screenshots there [14:35] Yeah that sidebar looks way better. [14:35] quackgyver: https://github.com/ranger/ranger, this one is also good [14:35] https://sourcedigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/nemo-root-01.jpg [14:35] it uses millier columns [14:35] This is pretty much exactly what I want. [14:36] path bar is an input field, and all storage and network devices shown in the sidebar [14:36] have you considered switching to kde? :D [14:37] if you like lots of customization, kde offers that [14:37] I had KDE on this PC first, but everything was extremely broken. [14:37] hmm... [14:37] Basically 50% of the user flows broke when I was 90% in. [14:37] So I reverted back to the vanilla Ubuntu experience. [14:37] I'm a bit wary of changing the file manager even. [14:38] But the default one is just so limiting. [14:38] it's not neccessary to change. You can multiple at once, if you want to be confused :P [14:38] Hah. [14:38] Btw, if I install a new file manager, is it gonna mess things up for other users on the same PC? [14:38] I wanna make sure that my messing around isn't going to ruin the experience for other users .:D [14:38] users. * [14:38] they are programs [14:39] they shouldn't do anything if they're not started [14:39] Ah ok. [14:39] (other than take up space) [14:39] there willbe an icon in their menu though [14:39] and as leftyfb said, it's a kde application, so plenty of deps along with it that will also take up space [14:39] I don't mind dependencies. [14:39] I find that they don't take up that much space. :-) [14:43] Alright well, thanks so much for the help so far. Will check these things out. Much appreciated. 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