[01:07] <scottg489> Question about ubuntu package versions. I see a package has the following versions available as shown from apt show -a: 1:2.25.1-1ubuntu3.4 and 1:2.25.1-1ubuntu3 - Does that mean if I chose to install the latter version that it wouldn't have security patches?
[01:09] <leftyfb> scottg489: just do normal updates and you'll get the latest available in ubuntu by default
[01:13] <sarnold> scottg489: you could read the changelogs to see what changed between them
[01:46] <Maximalist> Would I be able to restore a base ubuntu backup on a budgie instance?
[01:47] <Maximalist> could there be any issues?
[01:47] <leftyfb> Maximalist: I would just copy your personal files back and reinstall the packages you want
[01:48] <leftyfb> Maximalist: copying your /home wholesale might run into issues with certain package or display configs
[01:48] <leftyfb> and never just dump files from one OS onto another
[01:48] <Maximalist> leftyfb: thank you
[01:48] <leftyfb> system files*
[03:41] <swaves_> hi, what's up!
[03:41] <swaves_> mind if i ask a technical question? i was trying to do-release-upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04 and it said to ask here for help
[03:42] <enigma9o7[m]> What is it?
[03:42] <enigma9o7[m]> I mean the "it" that said to ask here for help.
[03:43] <enigma9o7[m]> As far as asking the technical question, I think people mind more when you ask to ask a question, people prefer if you ask questions.
[03:43] <swaves_> its the first thing that shows up when you run do-release-upgrade
[03:43] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah, it is now obviouls I have never ran it :)
[03:44] <swaves_> well i was having trouble trying to format my ppa-purge command to downgrade some node-related packages. here is my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list contents
[03:44] <swaves_> deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x impish main
[03:46] <swaves_> then the same line but for deb-src. i tried sudo ppa-purge -s deb.nodesource.com node_16.x, sudo ppa-purge ppa:deb.nodesource.com/node_16.x, sudo ppa-purge nodesource
[04:24] <cryocaustik> hey all - any idea why the UFW is still allowing external connections on port 8081 despite the UFW being set to default deny incoming and only approved nginx/ssh? example of ufw status https://bpa.st/ESHA
[04:25] <cryocaustik> is it docker overriding the ufw when those ports are exposed from the container?
[04:39] <matsaman> cryocaustik: I mean it could be, if you're talking about a docker guest
[04:47] <helkaluin> Hello, may I ask where would be the ideal place for troubleshooting audio jack problems (hdajackretask, snd-hda-intel models, and such)? Specifically it's the problem of headset mic working under Windows but not Linux when plugged into the front panel jack. I'm not sure if it's a problem of pins not being detected with ALSA or whether if it's a problem of new-fangled firmware.
[04:48] <helkaluin> (e.g. PCH and codec mess)
[04:53] <garrison> helkaluin: if you can reproduce the issue with latest livecd, probably just report a bug and investigate with maintainers; also you can post to alsa-devel list, alsa kernel developers treat jack detection as real issues
[04:55] <garrison> helkaluin: did you already confirmed this is really jack detection not working? this can be done e.g. via collecting 'pa-info' output before and after plugging the jack in, compare 'jacks_do' section
[04:56] <helkaluin> It's a problem that I had back with 20.04 and it persisted with 22.04. (I waited to see if the newer kernel and stack would help.) The mic pin simply isn't listed when I run hdajacksensetest.
[04:58] <helkaluin> The headphone portion does work, since that pin is detected and the plug in plug out events are reflected in hdajacksensetest.
[05:05] <garrison> helkaluin: then probably do a bug report using ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or you can go straight to alsa-devel if you are into compiling kernels by hand; you can use 'pa-info' output 'jacks_do' section as compact textual reference of what is seen on the box
[05:05] <helkaluin> Cheers, will do.
[05:06] <garrison> helkaluin: pastebin pa-info just in case :)
[05:13] <helkaluin> garrison, This is weird. It shows up. https://pastebin.com/g1mtsF3n
[05:18] <timothyp> Hi, I've just installed a fresh 22.04 (coming from an old machine updated from ubuntu 16 to 21 throughout the years) and I am running into a number of issues I've not had before. First off Ubuntu keeps asking me to authenticate for almost every single file action (like opening nautilus) second, Steam keeps freezing up.
[05:21] <garrison> helkaluin: ok, unplug it and paste again
[05:23] <helkaluin> garrison: Here you go. https://pastebin.com/7t12hMmS
[05:23] <garrison> helkaluin: so.. it works :)
[05:23] <garrison> helkaluin: what's your issue then? maybe we can investigate in more detail
[05:24] <helkaluin> garrison: There's no actual input though. In alsamixer there's an item called "Headphone Mic Jack Mode" under Playback that can be either Headphone Out or Mic In. If I switch that to Mic In, the earpieces become mics...
[05:24] <garrison> helkaluin: share pa-info output please
[05:25] <helkaluin> garrison: The actual mic of the headset doesn't work.
[05:27] <helkaluin> garrison: Here's the complete pa-info (plugged in state). I've omitted the `lsof /dev/snd` part because it just hangs there without any output. https://pastebin.com/rCnpfkS8
[05:28] <garrison> helkaluin: try 'fuser -v /dev/snd/*' instead
[05:30] <helkaluin> garrison: That hangs as well.
[05:31] <garrison> that's weird
[05:31] <garrison> does this work at all 'lsof -np $$'
[05:33] <garrison> helkaluin: of that works, try 'lsof -n /dev/snd/*'
[05:37] <helkaluin> garrison: It somehow doesn't. I'm looking at the journald logs and it seems some nfs mounts are now very angry. Wait.
[05:38] <garrison> helkaluin: that could explain issues resolving names (and nfs could be unhappy for same reason, or maybe that's different..)
[05:40] <helkaluin> Alright, zsh autocomplete and stuck nfs mounts are a disastrous combination. I'm rebooting.
[05:43] <helkaluin> garrison: Now with lsof working... https://pastebin.com/wva1MpAb
[05:44] <garrison> helkaluin: well now that switched from pulseaudio to pipewire audio, are you willingly doing that?
[05:45] <helkaluin> garrison: I did switch over to pipewire for the bluetooth compat. But it doesn't really affect the problem that wired headset doesn't work. I'll switch back to pulse for another pastebin, wait.
[05:45] <garrison> helkaluin: step aside, what bluetooth compat?
[05:46] <garrison> helkaluin: no, no need to switch back (at least not just yet)
[05:46] <helkaluin> garrison: I mean msbc codec for HSP profile.
[05:47] <helkaluin> garrison: Right right. I won't stop the pipewire services then. (It's really just a systemctl --user line for switching between the two.)
[05:47] <garrison> helkaluin: that should work now with pulseaudio as well, since pulseaudio-15.0, and you have pulseauio-15.99.1 which should be fine (also, that bluetooth profile is named HFP)
[05:48] <garrison> helkaluin: I see there is only one bug mentioning you dell xps on launchpad, so maybe really worth reporting the sound issue using ubuntu script
[05:49] <garrison> helkaluin: looks like problem is not with jack detection but with codec configuration on this particular hardware; I do not know how to tune that but ubuntu audio maintainers will (just keep an eye on the bug progress and participate in testing when queried)
[05:50] <garrison> helkaluin: and, it is good to know that pulseaudio/pipewire audio switching is finally resolved in ubuntu :)
[05:51] <helkaluin> garrison: That's good news re: Pulse. I keep thinking it's a pin problem because I saw an hdajackretask screenshot of the same ALC3861 codec where the mic is a different pin (and is "unconnected" on my end).
[05:51] <helkaluin> I meant "is a different pin than the headphone out".
[05:52] <helkaluin> garrison: Yeah, the switching is practically... unnoticeable. Which is good news.
[05:56] <garrison> helkaluin: dell patches are not unusual later in kernel development cycle, so good chance it will be fixed if reported https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound.git/log/sound/pci/hda?qt=grep&q=HEADPHONE+MIC
[05:59] <timothyp> I am guessing steam is blocking because of the fact that I need to keep authenticathing to open any folder even my home folder
[06:21] <helkaluin> garrison: Many thanks for the pointers. I've reported a bug on Launchpad. Will see how it goes!
[07:00] <alocer> Hello all.
[07:23] <en11gma> i was wondering what channel would i need to ask about why there is no daily updates for 22.04? im pretty sure there is no support here but am not sure what channel i need to be in? is that #ubuntu-next?
[07:24] <en11gma> i mean there hasnt been any daily updates for 2 weeks
[07:26] <en11gma> that means no daily updates since the original release went final on 04-21-2022 i think
[07:37] <alocer> Hello all. Any one know if this is the right channel to say vagrant is broken on ubuntu 22.04 because of some problem is ssh package ?
[07:44] <guiverc> en11gma, the updates you get will vary on what packages you have installed; the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter lists the various updates in a week; see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue732#Ubuntu_22.04_Updates for a list of the last week's updates
[07:45] <guiverc> alocer, file a bug report would be best; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs   (use `ubuntu-bug` on the box impacted so details provided match the installed system)
[07:46] <guiverc> en11gma, sorry that was week-before last; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue733#Ubuntu_22.04_Updates for latest
[07:50] <alocer> guiverc: Thanks.
[08:09] <makara>  hi. When I open a new gnome terminal it always opens on the workspace below the one Im in. How do I get it to open on the present workspace?
[08:09] <en11gma> guiverc yes but ubuntu puts out "daily updated iso" i am back to using live sub flash drive with "try ubuntu" and if i do an 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' it will break the system if it updates something especially if it wants me to restart. even with a persistence live usb it can break. that is why i just get the updated iso so there is nothing to update. then i just install my packages
[08:09] <en11gma> from the repo and everything works.
[08:14] <en11gma> nice link. thanks. dont think i ever seen that info before
[08:39] <mort> it's a bit unfortunate that 22.04 is stuck with a node.js release from 2019 that's now deprecated
[09:14] <alocer> mort:
[09:14] <alocer> oops, sorry
[09:14] <mort> hi
[09:18] <ogra> mort, snap info node ... you have 13 channels to chose from, from v6 to v18
[09:18] <mort> oh I'm talking about the real nodejs package
[09:18] <ogra> well, thwe snap comes officially from node.js ... not sure how it can be more "real"
[09:19] <mort> well, apt is the package manager
[09:20] <ogra> snap is part of the default install since 16.04 ... it is "the package manager" too 😉
[09:20] <mort> snap installs snaps, not packages
[09:20] <ogra> err, snaps are packages
[09:20] <ogra> anyway
[09:20] <mort> eh
[09:20] <mort> in a way
[09:21] <mort> but I just want normal apt packages
[09:21] <mort> snaps really don't work very well
[09:21] <ogra> use the snap that was created by the node maintainers or live with whats in the archive #
[09:21] <mort> there are so many drawbacks to snaps that I'm not really interested in them, I just want ubuntu to have a good package archive like it used to
[09:21] <mort> a good *deb* package archive
[09:22] <ogra> a few 10000 customers that use snaps comemrcially on embedded, server, clud, industrial or robotics systems surely disagree
[09:22] <ogra> *cloud
[09:22] <mort> good for them
[09:24] <mort> I don't really want auto-updating packages from a proprietary back-end which eat an absolute ton of storage space and don't integrate with the rest of the system at all
[09:24] <mort> and are broken in all kinds of ways
[09:24] <ogra> wowe
[09:25] <ogra> so much FUD
[09:25] <mort> no, so much really, really bad personal experience
[09:25] <ogra> snaps have been designed for industrial grade use, how many server snaps have you used yet ?
[09:26] <mort> my opinion of snaps are 100% informed by my own many experiences of upgrading my system, figuring out something broke completely or became much worse in some way, looking into why, and figuring out it's because a package was replaced with a snap
[09:26] <mort> they just. don't. work.
[09:26] <ravage> !ot
[09:27] <ogra> mort, have you reported your issues so they can be fixed ?
[09:27] <ogra> either way, ravage is right ...
[09:27] <mort> like when the calculator was replaced by a snap and 1) became dog slow to start and 2) broke the calculator search provider, when chromium was replaced by a snap and stopped working under wayland, when firefox was replaced by a snap and stuff stopped working (can't recall exactly what, just that it did happen, some system integration stuff broke or
[09:27] <mort> something)
[09:28] <ogra> come over to #ubuntu-discuss if you want to keep talking about it ... lets keep the channel clear
[09:28] <mort> I don't report my issues because my reports would be duplicates, canonical lets "replacing this package with snap garbage literally broke it and I can't use it anymore" bug reports stay up for years
[09:30] <mort> I just wish canonical would stop replacing working software with broken snap garbage
[09:51] <mybalzitch> agreed
[11:04] <tencmdlines> should i pick purple or orange for my accent color
[11:04] <tencmdlines> ;)
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> not a topic to discuss here tencmdlines
[11:11] <tencmdlines> kk
[11:35] <goddard> I tried to run Flatpak on Ubuntu but it wouldn't work so I installed Fedora and it worked fine.  Any idea why?
[11:37] <ravage> I tried to run Flatpak on Ubuntu and it worked. Did not install Fedora :)
[11:38] <ravage> so without any details i conclude: works on my machine
[11:38] <goddard> ravage: try running Extensions on a fresh install
[11:39] <goddard> get a display error in the terminal and nothing happens in the app list
[11:39] <goddard> it only has an error on a fresh install
[11:39] <goddard> not an upgrade
[11:39] <goddard> on an upgrade it works fine
[11:39] <ravage> fresh install of what?
[11:39] <goddard> latest version of ubuntu bud
[11:40] <ravage> 22.04 comes with the extensions
[11:41] <goddard> nah it doesn't
[11:41] <ravage> it is in gnome-shell-common
[11:41] <goddard> it isn't the only flatpak that doesn't work
[11:42] <goddard> so don't get hung up on that
[11:43] <goddard> om.mattjakeman.ExtensionManager
[11:43] <goddard> com.mattjakeman.ExtensionManager
[11:44] <ravage> if some flatpaks dont work file a bug with the maintainer of that flatpak then
[11:44] <ogra> goddard, flatpaks are not suppored here ... ask in #flatpak
[11:44] <goddard> might want to look into that because previous versions of Ubuntu didn't have this issue
[11:50] <danilo_> ciaoooo
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:35] <luna> hi
[12:36] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, I'm running focal on an X1 Carbon which has support in the -oem kernel; I have both -oem and -generic installed, and grub always selects -generic by default: how can I configure it so that my current and future -oem kernels will be preferred?
[12:37] <ravage> remove the generic packages
[12:38] <Odd_Bloke> I would like to have the -generic kernel available in case of an issue in the -oem kernel.
[12:39] <ravage> then keep one generic kernel installed and remove the generic meta package
[12:40] <Odd_Bloke> I would prefer not to have an increasingly insecure kernel which people (including myself) could reboot my machine into.
[12:41] <ioria> Odd_Bloke, this should work : https://support.huaweicloud.com/intl/en-us/trouble-ecs/ecs_trouble_0327.html
[12:43] <Odd_Bloke> ioria: Aha, thank you!  I didn't realise I could traverse submenus with that config, TIL.
[12:44] <ioria> Odd_Bloke, yes, keep in mind: the first item is always '0' not '1'; and that you meanu might differ (e.g., you have WINDOWS)
[12:44] <ioria> *your menu
[12:47] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, I cross-referenced /boot/grub/grub.cfg, thank you!
[12:47] <ioria> ok
[12:48] <Odd_Bloke> Huh, interestingly I just found `/etc/default/grub.d/oem-flavour.cfg` which sets `GRUB_FLAVOUR_ORDER=generic`
[12:53] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, and "Use linux-generic while not hwe-20.04." is the changelog entry for the most recent oem-sutton.newell-ace-meta package.
[13:27] <ibrahim> hi everyone
[14:32] <zetheroo> Copying data to a USB stick appears to go really fast (2GB file in ~5 seconds) but then when trying to safely remove the USB stick a message appears saying not to remove it because data is being written ... takes another couple minutes before the data is actually written :/
[14:32] <swimm3r> Hello. I added Ubuntu iso 22.04 to the grup2, with the following setting:   linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$isofile persistent noprompt noeject
[14:32] <swimm3r> How can I set the Persistent partition? Thanks.
[14:33] <zetheroo> This is with a USB3 stick plugged into a USB3 port
[14:34] <ravage> zetheroo, USB3 does not mean the actual stick is fast
[14:35] <zetheroo> ravage: my point is not regarding the speed of the stick, but the apparent discrepancy between what the File Manager is reporting vs what is actually going on with the storage medium.
[14:36] <ogra> zetheroo, this is how copying works ... data is sucked into RAM into cache and them written out to the hardware ...
[14:36] <ogra> it happens asynchronously, the sync cll only happens on unmount, so all data still in ram is only written then
[14:36] <ogra> s/cll/call
[14:36] <zetheroo> ogra: I get that, but why does the File Manager seems to ignore the 'writing to disk' part of the process?
[14:37] <ogra> no
[14:37] <ravage> a simple cp from the terminal will do the same
[14:37] <ogra> it does exactly what would happen on cmdline too ... yur cp would return but the write operation woudl still go on
[14:37] <ogra> and the unmunt call would take as long as the syncing takes
[14:39] <zetheroo> In Windows when I do this same copy task the file manager dialog stays around for a lot longer - essentially for the full 2 minutes or so ... and then after that ejecting the stick is practically instant
[14:39] <ravage> linux does it differently
[14:40] <onebitboy> recent windows versions disable the write cache for removable media
[14:40] <zetheroo> so "it's a feature"?
[14:40] <zetheroo> :D
[14:40] <ravage> there is a sync mount options. but i really would not use it. its slower. the data gets written as fast as possible from cache
[14:40] <ogra> yeah, it is a feature
[14:41] <zetheroo> it's a pretty counter-intuitive "feature" then :P
[14:44] <zetheroo> The very least they could have done was to make a progress dialog of the data being written when the storage is ejected
[14:45] <zetheroo> this way you just sit there waiting for however long ... with no idea of where it's at in the process
[14:45] <ravage> sudo watch grep -e Dirty: -e Writeback: /proc/meminfo
[14:45] <ravage> there is your progress :)
[14:45] <zetheroo> testing this now on Mac
[14:45] <ravage> may work without sudo
[14:46] <ravage> i think your user has access to meminfo
[14:46] <zetheroo> ravage: it's 2022 ... progress of writing data to a USB stick should not require terminal commands
[14:46] <zetheroo> :D
[14:46] <ravage> then dont use it and wait in silence
[14:47] <jhutchins> There is a process that dumps cache to the disk when the system is less busy.
[14:47] <jhutchins> zetheroo: You want cartoons to handle disk writes?
[14:48] <zetheroo>  jhutchins: for a PC OS ... yes
[14:49] <zetheroo> ok, MacOS handles the copying of data to USB stick as expected ... when the file manager reports it's done, it's actually done.
[14:50] <ravage> i think we have established how the process works in Ubuntu. If you have other support questions please ask. For any discussions use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:51] <zetheroo> ravage: is this how it works in Linux or just in Ubuntu or just in Debian-based distros?
[14:52] <ravage> i can only speak for Ubuntu here but im pretty sure most current linux distributions do it this way
[14:52] <zetheroo> ok
[14:54] <ogra> yeah, thats a general linux thing
[15:15] <jhutchins> The idea is that the user can go on to other tasks while the disk write completes.  Disk writes are still one of the slowest events in the system.
[15:16] <zetheroo> jhutchins: hmm ... interesting. Though
[15:16] <Lantizia__> I hate re-inventing the wheel, so if someone has created this (I can't find that anyone has, but it's hard to search for) please chime up...
[15:16] <zetheroo> even if that's the idea, the fact that the progress is kept hidden from the user is strange
[15:17] <Lantizia__> I'm thinking about making a counterpart to sudo (super user do)... called susudo (sudo user super user do) :)
[15:17] <qqz> how can I download a source package from Impish Indri if I do not have it installed? I just have Debian 11 here.
[15:17] <Lantizia__> and if you can guess what it does then you're way ahead of me :)
[15:18] <zetheroo> and writing files to a USB stick takes almost no resources on the PC these days - at least it doesn't seem to effect normal running operations - so seems it could be done on the spot without costing the user any discomfort.
[15:18] <Lantizia__> say the system has 3 users...  root (with no password), admin (which is a sudo user), and bob (which isn't a sudo user)
[15:19] <zetheroo> Typically if someone wants to write a file to a USB stick it's because they want it done right away, and not eventually. :D
[15:19] <Lantizia__> and temporarily "an admin" person sits at bobs desk (or remotes in) and wants to install something... they first have to 'su admin' then enter admins password... then sudo something... and enter it again :)
[15:20] <Lantizia__> susudo would just ask you for the username of an admin and their password and do all that for you
[15:20] <Lantizia__> does something like this already exist?
[15:21] <m1dnight> Can somebody help me out with an imagemagick command?
[15:21] <m1dnight> I'm stuck.
[15:21] <zetheroo> I could be wrong, but it seems like something which was engineered by sysadmins for servers and then used in a PC OS ... which is, I suppose, generally the story of Linux - it ain't bad, it's just also not without it's flaws. :/
[15:23] <jhutchins> Lantizia__: I think you misunderstand the sudo process to begin with.  Generally a normal level user only needs to use "sudo command" and enter their own password if they have sudo permissions.
[15:23] <jhutchins> Lantizia__: If they use sudo -i to become root, they don't need to become a user to install a program.
[15:23] <Lantizia__> jhutchins, right but 'bob' isn't in the sudo group
[15:24] <Lantizia__> that's the point
[15:24] <ogra> because we dont trust bob in general ...
[15:24] <jhutchins> Lantizia__: so the admin can use su.
[15:25] <Lantizia__> right but the admin (on a desktop logged in as bob) has to do BOTH 'su admin' and 'sudo whatever' and get asked for their password twice
[15:25] <Lantizia__> which is horrible
[15:25] <jhutchins> Lantizia__: No, that's not how it works.
[15:25] <Lantizia__> it doesn't have to be
[15:25] <timothy_> @Lantizia__ susudo should have a theme song by Phil Collins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U)
[15:25] <Lantizia__> but I've seen plenty of GUI's presented to the non-sudo normal user which asks for an 'admin password' and just figures out that 'admin' is the only sudo user on the system - tries that and it works
[15:26] <Lantizia__> 1 prompt for password - not 2
[15:26] <ogra> Lantizia__, read up about policykit then ...
[15:26] <Lantizia__> ogra, i already know about policykit but pkexec and such is hardly the same as the ease of sudo
[15:26] <ogra> graphical apps do not use sodo anymore anyway
[15:26] <ogra> *sudo
[15:27] <timothy_> I've asked this earlier today but not many people and  I got disconnected. Ubuntu 22.04 fresh install, every time I open nautilus (local drive, remote drive, whathever,) it asks me to Authenticate (Authentication is required for file operation) and I have no idea why (short of going back to Ubuntu 21.10 I don't know what to do)
[15:27] <Lantizia__> well they more used to use things like gksu tbh
[15:27] <jhutchins> Lantizia__: You really do not understand how the system works.
[15:27] <Lantizia__> but yeah stopped a while back
[15:27] <Lantizia__> jhutchins, you're wrong I do
[15:27] <ogra> gksu is dead and gone since years
[15:27] <Lantizia__> yup
[15:27] <ogra> and wont help with wayland at all
[15:28] <Lantizia__> and? why are you going on about stuff I know
[15:28] <zetheroo> 15 years ago 😲  https://alt.os.linux.ubuntu.narkive.com/RxvTnprS/still-no-progress-bar-when-copying-files-to-flash-drive
[15:28] <ogra> well, i assume you are asking a support question being in the support channel (and nt #ubuntu-discuaa or #ubuntu-offtoic)
[15:28] <ogra> *discuss
[15:29]  * ogra notes his typing is rather mediocre today ... 
[15:29] <Lantizia__> putting 'susudo apt-get install blah' and being asked for a user/pass *once*... is surely a better experience than 3 commands... 'su admin' then password, then 'sudo apt-get install blah', then the same password again, and finally 'exit'
[15:30] <ogra> Lantizia__, so file a wishlist bug then ... this is not the place for discussions
[15:30] <Lantizia__> Does anyone thing I'm wrong on that?  (because I've only ever been wanting to talk about the *experience*, not the *how*)
[15:30] <ogra> we have dedicated channels for discussing things
[15:30] <Lantizia__> ogra, lol I can write that within the next hour lol
[15:30] <Lantizia__> my question was if something like it already existed
[15:31] <ogra> and you got your answer i guess ...
[15:32] <Lantizia__> well I don't put a lot of faith in the replies from people who either a) accuse me of not understanding a system that I very much do understand or b) want to move along the topic quickly by miss-characterising the context of the discussion
[15:33] <ogra> i dont want to move along any topic, i want you to ask a support question or go to a channel where that discussion is on topic ... like #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:33] <Lantizia__> but I have learnt this is the wrong audience :)  so I'll move on to somewhere where I'll get a higher possibility of a sensible answer
[15:33] <ogra> for dev feedback even #ubuntu-devel
[15:33] <ogra> 👍
[15:33] <Lantizia__> it isn't discuss, offtopic or devel... it's "Hi, does software that can do X exist?"
[15:33] <Lantizia__> complete fail,
[15:34] <Lantizia__> bye now
[15:34] <ravage> bye Latrinzia
[15:44] <jhutchins> Sorry for feeding that.
[15:45] <enigma9o7[m]> Well he made me think of a question I've always wondered.  When I do admin:///path/to/whatever in a file manager it asks my password twice.
[15:46] <enigma9o7[m]> (The question is, how to make it only ask once?)
[15:52] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Which file manager?  They're not all the same.
[15:59] <LinuxAspy> Hi all. In the 'apt' man page, under the description of 'purge', it says that one can get rid of leftovers on packages after they have been uninstalled. I used the 'autoremove' function and a whole lot of packages uninstalled. One of them was 'lxc'. I used the command 'apt purge lxc' but apt said that 'lxc' wasn't installed so it couldn't be
[15:59] <LinuxAspy> uninstalled. How can I purge leftovers from an uninstalled package?
[15:59] <jhutchins> LinuxAspy: Use purge to remove it in the first place.
[15:59] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah, I assumed they were all the same actaully, but as an example, thunar.  (I just tried nautlius and sure enough, it doesnt prompt me at all for password, not sure how to use it)
[16:00] <LinuxAspy> jhutchins the man page says that I can use it on packages that have already been uninstalled. I would like to know how is done.
[16:00] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Sometimes the file manager is an option under something like Preferred Applications.
[16:01] <enigma9o7[m]> pcmanfm also prompts for password twice
[16:02] <swimm3r> Hello. Can anyone help me with a grub2 question?
[16:04] <LinuxAspy> leftyfb
[16:04] <LinuxAspy> savalanogra
[16:04] <LinuxAspy> ogra
[16:05] <jhutchins> swimm3r: How will we know unless you post the actual question?
[16:06] <swimm3r> I would like to boot ubuntu iso from grub2
[16:06] <swimm3r> but I can not activate the persistence
[16:07] <swimm3r> I cant find the kernel parameter for the path of persistence
[16:07] <Pia> Hello, in Ubuntu, how to convert a (very long) pdf file to calc ?
[16:07] <jhutchins> swimm3r: I think that's something that has to happen within the iso image.
[16:07] <jhutchins> Pia: Perhaps convert it to text first?
[16:08] <Pia> jhutchins: thanks, so text and then?
[16:08] <jhutchins> Pia: There are a lot of possible PDF formats.  Some of them are a graphical image of the text.  That requires an OCR program to extract the text.
[16:08] <Pia> the text is selectable (in pdf)
[16:08] <jhutchins> Pia: Importing text to a spreadsheet is trivial.
[16:09] <Pia> I tried but the columns go all wrong
[16:09] <leftyfb> Pia: calc isn't a document format
[16:09] <jhutchins> Pia: You'll have to figure out what the column delimiters are.
[16:10] <Pia> I have to do fixed space
[16:10] <Pia> it's the only way
[16:10] <swimm3r> I will write the iso to a usb stick, and check the grub parameters from there
[16:10] <leftyfb> Pia: you'll have to write something yourself. There's no magic tool to do it for you
[16:10] <leftyfb> Pia: you can try #bash or #perl
[16:10] <jhutchins> swimm3r: I don't think that grub is the solution, but I don't know.
[16:11] <jhutchins> swimm3r: What documents did you follow to implement persistence?
[16:11] <leftyfb> swimm3r: why not just install ubuntu?
[16:12] <jhutchins> swimm3r: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[16:12] <Pia> Is there no program for Ubuntu like this? https://www.freepdfconvert.com/it/pdf-in-excel
[16:13] <leftyfb> Pia: it's a bit of a loaded question. But the quick answer is no
[16:13] <jhutchins> Pia: So convert it to excel then import it.
[16:13] <LinuxAspy> So this is a bug, right?
[16:13] <Pia> That site works, but it says free, but turns out not to be
[16:13] <leftyfb> Pia: good luck
[16:14] <Pia> I thought maybe there wa s a program in the software center
[16:14] <LinuxAspy> According to apt's man page, one can remove user configuration files using purge after a package has been removed. Well I tried the command 'apt purge lxc' and it says the package is not installed, so can't be removed. But I didn't ask for it to be removed, I asked for it to be purged. Bug?
[16:16] <leftyfb> Pia: the main problem is, there is no set format for pdf's. Especially for any sort of delimited data.
[16:16] <ogra> Pia, there i pdf2text to generate a csv, then import the csv into a libreoffice table and save as calc ... there is no single step way though
[16:17] <Pia> ogra: thanks, can you do fixed space with that? (as delimeter)
[16:18] <ogra> Pia, you'd have to read the manpage http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man1/pdftotext.1.html
[16:18] <Pia> I think what messes it up is the empty cells
[16:18] <Pia> Ok thanks
[16:18] <leftyfb> Pia: you're more than likely going to have to clean up the data after using pdftotext
[16:18] <ogra> Pia, but once it is txt you can always post-process it
[16:19] <ogra> yeah, what leftyfb said
[16:19] <Pia> Ok thanks all
[16:19] <Pia> will figure it out
[16:20] <Pia> though would be nice if someone did a nice program to get it all done automatically
[16:20] <Pia> :)
[16:21] <LinuxAspy> Debian community confirmed it was a bug for those that couldn't figure it out.
[16:21] <ogra> you can not purge transitional packages
[16:21] <ogra> thats their nature
[16:21] <ogra> (since they do not actually exist)
[16:21] <LinuxAspy> Not according to the buggy man page.
[16:22] <LinuxAspy> :)
[16:22] <LinuxAspy> Cya all round :)
[16:35] <morganu> send me on somewhere if this is out of place-- How does ublock make money? a single ad came up before the extension (I guess) and I am suddenly aware how grateful I am for this service. How can I help ublock?
[16:39] <enigma9o7[m]> The uBlock Origin project still specifically refuses donations at this time, and instead advises all of its clients, users and supporters to donate to block list maintainers.
[16:42] <ogra> morganu, definitely the wrong place, uBlock isnt related to ubuntu in any way
[16:43] <ogra> perhaps ask in a mozilla forum
[16:44] <morganu> enigma9o7[m], "what is a block list maintainer" didnt give me anything useful.
[16:44] <enigma9o7[m]> That would be the people that maintain the blocklists, kinda self explanatatory :)
[16:45] <morganu> yeah, I did understand that.
[16:45] <enigma9o7[m]> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Why-don't-you-accept-donations%3F
[16:45] <morganu> enigma9o7[m], I will find out (outside of this channel) elsewhere. Thanks
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> ok, although i dont think mozilla is the right place.  just check which list you use (probably easylist and easyprivacy)
[16:53] <swimm3r> append  file=/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper persistent initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash --
[17:41] <isene> After upgrade to 22.04, this does not work `openssl bf -pbkdf2 -e -a -salt` It returns (in part): "Error setting cipher BF-CBC" and "error:0308010C:digital envelope routines:inner_evp_generic_fetch:unsupported:../crypto/evp/evp_fetch.c:349:Global default library context, Algorithm (BF-CBC : 11)"
[17:43] <leftyfb> isene: BF-CBC is deprecated and no longer considered secure
[17:44] <isene> So, what command should I use instead?
[17:45] <isene> Also, I do need to decrypt a file encrypted with BF-CBC...
[17:45] <leftyfb> isene: to do what?
[17:45] <isene> To encrypt and decrypt text
[17:47] <leftyfb> isene: gpg is probably a better tool for that. Depending on the purpose
[17:47] <rob0> did openssl remove BF-CBC?
[17:48] <leftyfb> isene: if you must use openssl, I think enc might be an alternative
[18:04] <swimmer99> hello
[18:04] <swimmer99>     0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=(loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/iso/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso maybe-ubiquity quiet splash ---
[18:04] <swimmer99> [    0.000000] Unknown kernel command line parameters "maybe-ubiquity splash --- BOOT_IMAGE=(loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/iso/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso", will be passed to user space.
[18:05] <swimmer99> why it is unknown?
[18:07] <sarnold> swimmer99: the kernel handles a bunch of command line parameters itself; everything else, it passes on to the first process for it to handle
[18:07] <sarnold> swimmer99: this is a very friendly debugging aid, so an admin can find if a command line parameter they expected the kernel to handle actually doesn't do anything at the kernel level
[18:08] <swimmer99> ahh, ok, it's not an error, it's just a warning
[18:09] <swimmer99> sarnold: for persistent, it has to be a special partition?
[18:10] <sarnold> swimmer99: yeah, maybe it's even less than a warning, more just documentation :)
[18:10] <sarnold> swimmer99: I'm not sure I understand the question
[18:10] <swimmer99> I am booting from MBR, with grub2
[18:10] <swimmer99> and I added ubuntu iso to it
[18:11] <swimmer99> now I would like to add persistent to it
[18:11] <swimmer99> persistent folder should be a partition, or a folder from sda1?
[18:14] <swimmer99> sarnold: I just want to boot ubuntu from an iso image, with persistent
[18:17] <sarnold> swimmer99: aha; I'm sorry to say I know next to nothing about how that works, but you could mount whatever you want once you're booted, even if there's no magic in the ISO to mount any specific filesystem for you
[18:18] <leftyfb> swimmer99: why not just install ubuntu?
[18:19] <swimmer99> leftyfb: I am using manjaro for now
[18:19] <ogra> ... to the usb stick ...
[18:19] <swimmer99> as a main OS
[18:19] <ravage> boot from one stick. install to another stick
[18:19] <ravage> works just fine
[18:19] <ogra> yeah and lave your HDD untouched
[18:20] <ogra> *leave
[18:20] <ravage> or maybe just use a VM is you only want to test Ubuntu
[18:20] <leftyfb> swimmer99: so what's the purpose of trying to get ubuntu live if you're running another OS? Why not dual boot or use a VM?
[18:21] <leftyfb> so much work to shoe-horn a solution to a problem that has much better solutions already available
[18:21] <ogra> yeah ...
[18:25] <swimmer99> leftyfb: I think that is too easy. I will try to add "/ union" to persistence.conf from a folder from sda1
[18:26] <swimmer99> donno know if it has to be fat32 or ext4
[18:26] <swimmer99> I will try
[18:27] <ravage> good luck
[18:27] <swimmer99> ravage: thanks
[18:27] <swimmer99> be back later
[19:14] <swimm3r> ravage, sarnold : no luck. I dd the iso to usb, and there is no option for persistance, so the iso is the problem
[19:15] <ravage> dont blame the ISO for something it was never designed for
[19:15] <ravage> we gave you 2 options to install Ubuntu beside your main OS
[19:15] <ravage> choose one
[19:17] <swimm3r> ravage, sorry, ok. but I have w10 (for now), and also manjaro. it's too much to add also ubuntu
[19:18] <leftyfb> swimm3r: virtual machine
[19:18] <sarnold> feel free to just mount whatever you need once you're running
[19:18] <ravage> no idea what you mean by "add"
[19:19] <ravage> you add a usb stick
[19:19] <ravage> or a VM
[19:19] <swimm3r> add == create a partition also for U
[19:19] <dkamers> really...
[19:20] <swimm3r> I will use VM
[19:20] <swimm3r> thanks all for help
[19:20] <ravage> great :)
[19:20] <leftyfb> swimm3r: you don't need another partition. You can use a completely separate drive including a usb drive, you can use a VM, or you also use WSL2 on Windows 10
[19:22] <swimm3r> leftyfb, what is WSL2?
[19:22] <leftyfb> swimm3r: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install    first result on google for "WSL2"
[19:23] <leftyfb> !wsl | swimm3r
[19:27] <swimm3r> thanks leftyfb
[19:44] <michael_> nabend ;-)
[19:44] <ravage> !de | michael_
[19:45] <michael_> why help? I don't need any help, just wanted to say good evening
[19:45] <michael_> ;-)
[19:45] <ravage> !chat | michael_
[19:46] <michael_> and then you wonder about unfriendliness? because you wish a good evening?
[19:47] <michael_> lol
[19:50] <tesseract> hi. did 22.04 get snap firefox 100 update?
[19:50] <ravage> https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[19:50] <tesseract> snap store internet site shows 99
[19:51] <tesseract> ravage: i took a look at it. it shows 99.
[19:51] <ravage> then you have your answer. stable is still 99
[19:51] <tesseract> but i wonder if it is because of site gets update late?
[19:51] <ravage> there are no late updates of the website
[19:51] <ravage> its the first source
[19:52] <leftyfb> it was released less than 24 hours ago, give it a little time
[19:52] <tesseract> ok. flatpak firefox 100 released hours ago hahahaha
[19:52] <ioria> tesseract, you can use the --candidate channel  , if you want
[19:52] <leftyfb> tesseract: Mozilla doesn't maintain the flatpak
[19:53] <tesseract> leftyfb: of course they do
[19:53] <tesseract> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox
[19:54] <leftyfb> ok, I tand corrected
[19:54] <leftyfb> not the first time and won't be the last
[19:55] <tesseract> no worries
[19:58] <ogra> tesseract, i suspect the flatpak will not be tested on RPi, s390x and powerpc
[19:58] <ogra> (the snap supports far more architectures)
[19:58] <tesseract> ah. maybe that's the reason
[19:58] <ogra> very likely
[19:59] <ogra> if you are eager: sudo snap refresh --candiate firefox ...
[19:59] <ogra> that gets you 100 (since quite a few days already) ....
[19:59] <ogra> to switch back to stable: sudo snap refresh --stable firefox ...
[19:59] <tesseract> i don't use ubuntu
[19:59] <waveform> in fact, the firefox flatpak isn't even *available* on archs other than amd64 (https://beta.flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox) -- although I should also note it's a particular exception in that regard
[20:00] <leftyfb> tesseract: then why are you asking about packages in #ubuntu ?
[20:00] <tesseract> leftyfb: because i wondered the reason
[20:01] <tesseract> i follow linux news etc
[20:01] <ogra> the snapcraft.io site is usually updated on time if a snap gets released ... typically a matter of minutes
[20:02] <tesseract> ogra: yeah. i wondered that
[20:03] <sarnold> ogra: how do you find the list of supported arches? 'snap info firefox' doesn't show anything, and the dropdown within the dropdown on https://snapcraft.io/firefox only mentions amd64, arm64, and armhf
[20:03] <ravage> the dropdown on https://snapcraft.io/firefox has them
[20:03] <ogra> sarnold, i suspect only on the web UI that ravage linked
[20:04] <sarnold> ogra: hmm
[20:04] <sarnold> $ uname -a ; snap info firefox
[20:04] <sarnold> Linux fitzhume 5.4.0-107-generic #121-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 24 16:04:55 UTC 2022 ppc64le ppc64le ppc64le GNU/Linux
[20:04] <sarnold> error: no snap found for "firefox"
[20:04] <ogra> on cmdline you can export an env variable to serch in a different arch, but only that
[20:05] <ogra> ah, only arm and x86 it seems (i didnt actually check but i know we have rpi builds)
[20:05] <ogra> sarnold, do yu need it ?
[20:07] <sarnold> ogra: not really, I just thought that firefox perhaps added more platforms for us
[20:08] <ogra> sarnold, you can ask oSoMoN ... if you want it ... but i suspect he'd keep you on duty for regular testing then 🙂
[20:09] <waveform> sarnold, no I'm afraid it removed several (not that I think there's terribly many ppc64el or s390x desktop users :)
[20:09] <sarnold> ogra: heh, I don't even have a graphics card for that machine.. apparently the JS engine in firefox is pretty rubbish on ppc64el, so I didn't have a strong incentive to buy a video card for it, if the one gui app I use doesn't work well there
[20:09] <ogra> heh
[20:09] <sarnold> ogra: the built-in bmc vga thing works, but isn't quite nice enough to use as a desktop :D
[20:10] <ogra> yeah ... but at least you have some use for these old VGA tube monitors 😄
[20:11] <sarnold> my very first LCD monitors (17"!) have vga inputs..
[20:11] <sarnold> oh wait.. this one's got an hdmi output, doesn't it. sigh. stupid memory.
[20:11] <waveform> better use of old VGA monitors: https://kilograham.github.io/rp2040-doom/
[20:11] <ogra> wow, i dont think i have any left with VGA
[20:11] <sarnold> it's my supermicro's that got vga still..
[20:12] <sarnold> waveform: cute :)
[20:12] <ogra> waveform, hah, i still have two unused picos around !
[20:12] <waveform> ogra, it supports multiplayer :)
[20:12] <ogra> lol
[20:13]  * ogra needs to finish his current project first and get ubuntu desktop fully working on the cutiepi he has ... 
[20:27] <WeeBey> Hello frens. There's a strange thing that I noticed today in my ubuntu installation. I was using nmap to scan my server to make sure firewall was working but I was getting all ports open. I spent a long time trying to trouble shoot the firewalls (plural). Finally, i tried nmap from a web app online. Then I tried nmap from a VM and both these showed my firewall working correctly.
[20:28] <WeeBey> Has anyone noticed nmap behaving oddly in 22.04?
[20:30] <tesseract> /
[20:31] <jhutchins> WeeBey: What do you mean "all ports open"?  Could you pastebin both the exact command you used and the output?
[20:31] <jhutchins> !paste
[20:31] <jhutchins> WeeBey: The only ports that should be "open" are ports that have a program listening to them.
[20:33] <leftyfb> WeeBey: nmap works fine for me on 22.04
[20:34] <jhutchins> I have a pretty good suspicion what's happening, but he's not responding.  Oh well.
[20:53] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: what do you think is happening?
[20:57] <sarnold> my guess is confusing 'filtered (open?)' with 'open', but, uh, without a pastebin it's hard to be sure
[21:04] <hid3> Greetings everyone. I'm trying to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 using this command: do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive . However, it doesn't start, I get the following message: "There is no development version of an LTS available." It also suggests to change Prompt=normal in  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades. Mine is set to LTS obviously. What's wrong? Isn't 22.04 a non-LTS release?
[21:07] <Jeremy31> hid3: 22.04 is LTS
[21:08] <sarnold> hid3: usually the lts -> lts upgrades are 'unlocked' around the time of the .1 release
[21:08] <sarnold> hid3: try adding a -d to that command line?
[21:11] <hid3> hmmm... Yep, -d offers jammy related stuff
[21:11] <hid3> thanks for that. I also didn't know that the upgrade script is being enabled only at .1 releases
[22:19] <herith> Hello, I am trying to limit the RAM used by a process by using its PID but it doesn't seem to work.
[22:20] <herith> What I do is that I create a custom_cgroup folder in /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/ and then add the pid to cgroup.procs and a memory limit (50 mb in bytes) in memory.limit_in_bytes
[22:21] <herith> ${USER} is the owner of both the process as well as the custom_cgroup folder (if that makes any difference)
[22:22] <herith> I know it's not working because when I look up the memory usage of my process, it's unaltered.
[22:22] <herith> pmap <pid> | tail -n 1 | awk '/[0-9]/{print $2/1024}'
[22:23] <herith> ^above command still returns the same while before and after applying the memory limit and the usage is over 50 mb (it's at 120 mb)
[22:24] <genii> herith: I prefer the systemd-run method described here: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/limit-resource-consumption
[22:26] <herith> genii Does the systemd-run method allow me to apply a limit to "running processes"?
[22:26] <herith> It looks like with systemd you need to assign the limit when you start the process? I may not be able to control the process but only be obtain its PID
[22:27] <herith> But thank you, this is a good option. I will try it.
[22:27] <genii> Yes, I normally run it manually because I also usually want to only allocate certain processes certain CPU % as well
[22:28] <herith> And you just pass it the pid of the running process?
[22:29] <herith> I ask because --help doesn't list an option to pass a pid of a running process to it.
[22:32] <Mat1010> Hello, how to extend Ubuntu screen video capture time, which we access Ctrl + Alt + Shift + R
[22:32] <Mat1010> ?
[22:33] <herith> genii I tried it by launching the process using systemd-run. It doesn't seem to be enforcing the limit.
[22:33] <herith> Again, this is the command I am using to check if it has been enforced or not: pmap <pid> | tail -n 1 | awk '/[0-9]/{print $2/1024}'
[22:33] <genii> herith: I do not know, but a quick scan of the manpage shoesn't show a pid option :(
[22:34] <herith> Yeah, that's fine but even when I start a process with it, it doesn't seem to work :(
[22:34] <ravage> Mat1010, gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys max-screencast-length 1800
[22:35] <ravage> depends on your ubuntu version though
[22:36] <Mat1010> 21.10
[22:36] <Mat1010> okey
[23:03] <noarb> Is there a difference between http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ & http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ? I have both in my apt sources
[23:05] <ravage> noarb, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ -> Repositories and Updates
[23:35] <noarb> they look to be the same right now. Seems like both FQDNs have -security and -update pockets
[23:35] <sarnold> yes, but security.ubuntu.com gets updated whenever we push security updates; archive.ubuntu.com gets updated from that something like six times a day
[23:36] <sarnold> or maybe hourly? and the geographical ones tend to get updated six times a day? something like that..
[23:39] <noarb> sarnold: thanks for clearing that up!