| mapreri | ddstreet, teward: hi! calendar says we have a meeting? :) | 16:29 |
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| ddstreet | o/ hi | 16:30 |
| teward | *burps, then sips on more caffeine* | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | shall we start then? | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backports Team | 16:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:30:26 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:30 |
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| mapreri | I'll apologize in advance, last month I was kind of distracted, I basically forgot all of my tasks until.. today :( | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | lol, no problem, i don't think i did much either :) | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | did not get to this | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | and of course if either of you get to this, feel free to update the tooling | 16:31 |
| mapreri | ahah | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | i assume carry over :) | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:32 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | carry over? | 16:32 |
| mapreri | this is kind of stuck also because the lintian maintainer is in a... awkward situation rihgt now | 16:32 |
| mapreri | -.- | 16:32 |
| mapreri | but well | 16:32 |
| mapreri | yes | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 16:32 |
| mapreri | I wonder if I should just include it in the ubuntu delta | 16:33 |
| mapreri | one day | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | that's certainly a possibility | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 16:33 |
| mapreri | let's carry it over for now :( | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | i think the wiki has actually been totally broken (for writes) for the last month, so i assume this hasn't been done ;-) | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 16:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri handle approval for backports of memtest86+ and freeipmi | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | i think you commented on one of these? but still in progress? | 16:34 |
| mapreri | yeah, I was complaining about this 2 days ago and again few minutes ago in a diferent channel… | 16:34 |
| mapreri | I did really | 16:34 |
| mapreri | mh | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | do we need to keep the action or just let it get handled in the bugs? | 16:35 |
| mapreri | indeed didn't write on the freeipmi but that's fine (We didn't nack that before) | 16:35 |
| mapreri | drop the action, the bugs are enough | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | ack | 16:35 |
| mapreri | I'll follow the upload, since he hangs on in the italian channel | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri handle debhelper backport including revert dep on debugedit for focal-backports | 16:35 |
| mapreri | although I think he also needs a sponsor :\ | 16:35 |
| mapreri | yeah, pending too, apologizes | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | drop this action too, since there is still the bug open? | 16:36 |
| mapreri | mhh, keep it pls | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | ack | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri handle debhelper backport including revert dep on debugedit for focal-backports | 16:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri handle debhelper backport including revert dep on debugedit for focal-backports | 16:36 |
| mapreri | perhaps it'll keep my mind more on it, who knows | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | :) | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | i assume we're carrying this and the other unassigned one | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all the previous action items | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | moving on to open ML threads | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | #topic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | well i guess that's the subtopic, ugh, i'm a bad chair | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | #topic open ML threads | 16:38 |
| mapreri | I think they are all stuck regardless :\ | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | yeah, let's all try to follow up on at least one of the ML threads before the next meeting :) | 16:39 |
| mapreri | that's a great proposal \o/ | 16:39 |
| mapreri | I cheer to that! | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | :) | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic TB ML thread for charter | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | let's leave this for now...still basically waiting on feedback | 16:40 |
| mapreri | I also have a whole week at the end of May in a debian event, so I'll likely also focus more on FOSS in general... let's be hopeful! | 16:40 |
| ddstreet | i do think we should have some kind of 'end date' for when we just assume the charter is the rules we use for the team | 16:40 |
| ddstreet | awesome! | 16:40 |
| ddstreet | #action TB ML thread for charter | 16:40 |
| meetingology | ACTION: TB ML thread for charter | 16:40 |
| ddstreet | do we need to discuss either of those ML threads now or are there other ML threads we should discuss? | 16:41 |
| mapreri | I don't think we need to | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | perfect, next is open bugs | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | #topic open bugs | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | any in particular we should discuss? | 16:42 |
| mapreri | nope | 16:42 |
| mapreri | but I think there are too many open bugs already u.u | 16:42 |
| ddstreet | lol well there are a few | 16:42 |
| ddstreet | but i dont think there's any uploads that need reviewing, besides freeipmi/memtest86+, so it's not technically our responsibility to sponsor the open bugs | 16:43 |
| mapreri | we should probably focus on screaming them out | 16:43 |
| mapreri | right but | 16:43 |
| mapreri | what should we do with things that are stuck in sponsorship? | 16:43 |
| ddstreet | it's a good question | 16:43 |
| mapreri | I'd propose to remove the subscription and tell them to re-subscribe the team once it's done | 16:44 |
| mapreri | I think there is a precedent somewhere (i don't think it's sru thought) | 16:44 |
| ddstreet | yep that's totally fine with me | 16:44 |
| ddstreet | we should keep the 'bug reporter needs to find a sponsor' requirement, it'll be too much for us to sponsor everything | 16:44 |
| teward | ddstreet: do we have a policy set where we close bugs that don't get sponsors after a certain period? | 16:45 |
| teward | if we let these bugs pile up it'll lead to the problem that led to backports being defunct to begin with ;) | 16:45 |
| mapreri | likely we should do that too | 16:46 |
| mapreri | but those stuck in sponsorship should just get out of our view | 16:46 |
| mapreri | teward: tbh, those bugs stuck at questions (like memtest, etc) would be set to "incomplete" and naturally expire in 60 days | 16:46 |
| mapreri | I noticed it today that I had 4 more days before expiration | 16:46 |
| mapreri | so I don't think we need that, just remember ourself to move to "incomplete" when things are stuck, maybe? | 16:47 |
| ddstreet | since we expect bug reporters to 'own' the backport if it needs updates/fixes later, it's probably a good thing to use 'incomplete', since if the reporter can't be bothered to respond to questions they most likely won't follow up to 'own' the backport later, right? | 16:48 |
| ddstreet | maybe we should put bugs without a sponsor in 'incomplete' too? | 16:49 |
| mapreri | perhaps, yes | 16:50 |
| mapreri | let's do that | 16:50 |
| mapreri | but then maybe we should define a proper meaning for all bug status, we haven't done that yet | 16:50 |
| mapreri | besides invalid/released, that's obvious. but new/confirmed(triaged?)/incomplete is not well defined yet | 16:50 |
| mapreri | should we do that now, or let's not? | 16:51 |
| mapreri | or maybe, action somebody (me? :P) to send a mail with a proper proposal to add to the wiki a list of status and meanings? | 16:51 |
| ddstreet | should we do it on the ML? whatever we decide should most likely write up the specifics on our policies wiki page | 16:51 |
| ddstreet | or we could add it to the process page | 16:52 |
| ddstreet | yeah let's move it to the list | 16:52 |
| mapreri | do #action ? | 16:52 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 16:53 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process | 16:53 |
| ddstreet | ok let's hope we find time for ML threads before the next mtg :) | 16:53 |
| ddstreet | any other open bugs to discuss? or bug meta-discussion? | 16:54 |
| mapreri | none for me | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | ok let's move to aob | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | any other business to discuss? | 16:54 |
| mapreri | nope | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | if not, i'll sched the next meeting in another month? or do we think we can go longer, 2 months? | 16:55 |
| mapreri | 1m imho | 16:55 |
| ddstreet | sounds good | 16:55 |
| mapreri | we are already stalling, 2m would be worse | 16:55 |
| ddstreet | yeah, if we are able to handle ML threads better, maybe we can increase the mtg interval then | 16:56 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet schedule next meeting in 1 month | 16:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet schedule next meeting in 1 month | 16:56 |
| ddstreet | ok any last item before we close? | 16:56 |
| mapreri | teward: anything? :) | 16:56 |
| teward | nope | 16:56 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:56:56 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-04-16.30.moin.txt | 16:56 |
| ddstreet | thanks mapreri teward o/ | 16:57 |
| teward | (been playing tag with Server Team on a few other things as well sorry) | 16:57 |
| mapreri | o/ thank you! :) | 16:57 |
| teward | o/ | 16:57 |
| * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee, and slides Kilos the first mug | 18:18 | |
| genii | !coffee | 18:19 |
| Kilos | woohoo ty genii | 18:19 |
| genii | Kilos: Anytime good sir | 18:19 |
| genii | Kilos: Looks like I don't have lubotu edit | 18:36 |
| Kilos | maybe some clever guy can send ubottu to #ubuntu-za | 18:37 |
| Kilos | maybe Kuraokami can | 18:38 |
| genii | Kilos: I mentioned it to Unit193, but it looks like it may propogate to lubotu if I add it to ubottu ( which I do have edit on) | 18:39 |
| Kilos | genii so what is the solution | 18:39 |
| Kilos | replace lubotu with ubottu? | 18:39 |
| Kilos | oh hmm you mean they are buddies the 2 bots | 18:40 |
| genii | Apparently, yes! | 18:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:42 |
| Kilos | or who has edit rights on lubotu | 18:43 |
| Kilos | !java | 18:50 |
| ubottu | To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 18:50 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:51 |
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