[09:59] <BartVandeKerkhov> hi, I had a question about Carla in Ubuntu Studio 21.10
[10:00] <BartVandeKerkhov> when I save the canvas shut it down and then reload, it remembers all of the connections between applications and plugins, but it doesn't restore their actual position on the canvas
[10:01] <BartVandeKerkhov> so I have to reorder everything, every time I load up my project
[10:01] <BartVandeKerkhov> is this how it's supposed to work, or is it a bug? my google-fu has failed me
[10:07] <BartVandeKerkhov> I've tried it on 3 different machines (with 21.10) and they all behave in the same way
[11:33] <BrianHechinger[m> I have never had Carla properly remember the positional layout
[11:34] <BrianHechinger[m> If you don't need the Rack then the new RaySession now has a similar canvas that does remember positions.
[11:34] <BrianHechinger[m> Bart Van de Kerkhove: ^^
[13:09] <Eickmeyer> BartVandeKerkhov: Carla isn't a session manager. You probably want a session manager like RaySession or Agordejo.
[13:09] <Eickmeyer> Carla doesn't remember connections.
[13:10] <Eickmeyer> OH wait, misunderstood.
[13:11] <Eickmeyer> Known issue with Carla, you'd be best searching https://github.com/falktx/carla/issues for the discussion on that.
[15:22] <BartVandeKerkhov> Eickmeyer: Brian Hechinger I'll give RaySession a try, thanks guys
[15:22] <BartVandeKerkhov> I did check the carla github, but the canvas position issues seemed to be with older versions than 2.4.0
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> BartVandeKerkhov: Yeah, and it hasn't been resolved still.
[15:27] <BartVandeKerkhov> which specific issue are you referring to?
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> The canvas layout not staying the same.
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> I guess the term is "persisting".
[15:36] <BartVandeKerkhov> https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/1274 found this one but it's for 2.2.0 and closed
[15:52] <BrianHechinger[m> closed or not, it still doesn't work
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> BartVandeKerkhov: I'd comment on that if I were you, closed or not. There's literally nothing I can do on my end, and I'm the packager for that on the Ubuntu end.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> We're on the required Jack version, so nothing is missing on our end.
[17:44] <pol2[m]> unable to boot on 22.04 non uefi
 "Bart Van de Kerkhove: I'd..." <- will do, thanks for the input
[18:01] <Eickmeyer> pol2[m]: That seems odd, make sure you've got the full ISO verified and downloaded.
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> But, also, it's possible that it won't work on your system because we had to drop hybrid iso support a bit due to the oversize.
 "pol2: That seems odd, make..." <- the iso works on another computer   it looks like all ubuntu flavour do not work on my computer which is running ubuntustudio 20.04 (i tried xubuntu 22.04 and unbuntu buggie  22.04)
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> pol2[m]: Per the release notes, we did warn this might happen due to the oversize. Basically, your system might be too old for 22.04. Ubuntu Studio is not made of old systems, but for modern systems.
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> pol2[m]: Also, bear in mind that the ISOs aren't made independently, it's made by the exact same system at Canonical, so there's no difference there. You might have a bad download. Unfortunately, I don't have your system to verify the problem. Your best bet is to redownload and verify.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> pol2[m]: But, if your system doesn't have UEFI, it's not even a target system for Ubuntu Studio since it wasn't even made within the past 5 years.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> pol2[m]: That means it can't even efficiently handle the software.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> ????
[19:07]  * OvenWerks thinks that is a bit over stated
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Their system can't boot the ISO using BIOS, but I'm only speculating.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> There's a million and one reasons why they can't boot it.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> But "unable to boot on 22.04 on non uefi" doesn't help us.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> I was talking about 5 years old thing
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, that was an exaggeration for sure, and an estimation. 
[19:09]  * Eickmeyer has a lot going on right now
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Probably more like 10 years.
[23:05] <pol2[m]> very last Linux Mint ( LMDE 5 ) is booting well , Mx21 also ,   so i think i will forget Ubuntu for the moment    What are the hardware requirements to run Ubuntu?????