[00:32] effin hell.. I got it now [00:32] wohoo === Scotty_Trees2 is now known as Scotty_Trees [01:07] doing a re-org of a workbench, pulled a old laptip up to use for simple web browsing, PDF viewing, and note taking It had 16.0x LTS on it, obviously installed several years ago, so I went through the process of upgrading it, and that starts with getting it to 18.04 and from there to 2x (or so I expected). [01:09] It was running fune on 16, but right after the upgrade applied and the system was rebooted to 18, the unit booted, got the loading screen ("ubuntu" with a series of dots under it), and when it went to start up into X, I got a screen with skewed image on it, like watching a scrambled show on cable in the 80's. [01:10] Okay, framebuffer not correct, so I went searching for how to fix this, but didn't come up with anything particularly useful. [01:11] A particular oddity is that while the screen was skewed, couldn't make anything out on it, but the mouse pointer is just fine. [01:13] Eventually determined it was at a login, hit enter (for default existing user name) and entered my password, then the screen resets and I have a usable system. When I restart and it comes back up, same thing - the login screen mapping is hosed. Note that GUI GRUB is fine. Where do I look for how to address this? [01:17] maybe just upgrade again to 20.04? lol [01:17] see if that clears it up [01:26] I'm dead-set against continuing an upgrade chain when there's a problem in the middle. [01:27] However, turns out the CPU isn't 64-bit, so 18 is where support stops with Ubuntu. [01:27] (T2600) [01:53] Hello, I'm not a fan of PPA repositories but would like to install (and auto-update) FireFox through apt rather than using the existing snap. Is it possible to add Debian's repo to my sources file and then block all installation *except* FireFox from that repo? [01:53] I don't want to cross the streams as far as pulling in other Debian packages over the supplied Ubuntu packages. [01:54] jei: this method seems to be popular recently; https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ [01:54] If you plan to ride out the LTS rather than sticking with the latest release, you certainly can't pull from Debian. [01:55] @lotuspsychje That's just installing from a PPA. I don't want to do that, I want to use an official repo. [01:56] @Unit193 There's no way to have FF be the only package that [01:56] *that's updated past LTS? [01:57] Considering who's running that PPA, it looks like a safe bet to me. Ubuntu core dev does it. You might be able to pull firefox-esr from stable, but the PPA would at least be built with the right libraries and whatnot. [01:58] you can also just extract https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/100.0/ to your home dir and run it [01:58] it will auto update [02:02] Interesting, I didn't realize that that version auto-updated [02:03] So basically it'll work like windows where it's mostly self-contained rather than updating through the package manager? [02:03] right [02:04] ah, that's good to know [02:04] I'll give that a shot [02:04] Thank you [02:52] is anyone using deb-get ? [02:53] pycurious: I dunno what that is, do you mean apt-get? [02:54] https://github.com/wimpysworld/deb-get [02:55] arraybolt3: Wimpy's latest: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/use-deb-get-to-install-popular-linux-apps-on-ubuntu === gacuxz1 is now known as gacuxz === hackerman8 is now known as hackerman === xv8 is now known as XV8 === rud0lf_ is now known as rud0lf === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei [06:13] Any idea why this happens: http://ix.io/3Xlg -- problems with lxd container, ubuntu host, arch guest. Happens with other commands too -- Could not set limit for 'nice': Operation not permitted -- I've tried sudo lxc config set arch limits.kernel.nofile 200000 and restarted the container. === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:01] hello. I added 'SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", [07:01] ATTR{address}=="00:00:00:00:00:00",ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", [07:01] KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" [07:02] into a /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent.rules but it never trigger. The address is adapted of course [07:03] so, my eth name stays e2424skljfafsf bullshit [07:03] same string for wlan0 works (with it's own address of course) [07:05] what could be the difference for wireless and etherne ifaces? [07:11] bonjour [07:11] mysql sur ubuntu 20 ne démarrre plus [07:11] qui peut m'aider ? [07:12] I'm using latest OTA on a Nexus 4 french operator Orange, APN seems to be set like https://assistance.orange.fr/mobile-tablette/tous-les-mobiles-et-tablettes/depanner/probleme-avec-un... but I can't send MMS [07:12] Philippe: quelquin en #ubuntu-fr peut-être [07:13] !fr | Philippe [07:13] Philippe: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [07:13] merci, j'y cours [07:18] Hi, mysql doesn't start anymore on ubuntu 20 [07:19] can anyone help me ? [07:19] how do you start mysql? [07:20] !yy.mm | Philippe [07:20] Philippe: Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle [07:20] Philippe: more details needed, you surely have an error message? anything relevant on your logs? [07:21] exhldc: what you apparently want to do is to "disable predictable network interface names". [07:23] tomreyn, thanks I'll check that. Still I want to understand why old udev trick doesn't work [07:26] * tomreyn does not know, suspects that udev rules are applied before network interface device reaming does. [07:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjjT67x-Uo Парад Победы в Москве. 9 мая 2022 года. Прямая трансляция — Москва FM [07:29] this is ubuntu support channel... [07:31] У Нас открылся Бесплатный VPN сервер. Данные для входа: https://vk.com/dchub.club?w=wall-209405006_25 [07:31] Free VPN Server [07:35] sudo systemctl start mysql [07:36] Ubuntu Linux 20.04.4 [07:36] what is output of systemctl status mysql after starting mysql? [07:36] !paste | Philippe [07:36] Philippe: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:37] Job for mysql.service failed because the control process exited with error code. [07:37] See "systemctl status mysql.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. [07:37] (other pastebin-like services work such as termbin.com, too) [07:38] output of journalctl -xe ? [07:55] hello everybody [08:00] where is documentation on debugging snapd? (on a firewalled connection x509 there is certificate issue and I would like to print the certificate. Already did with openssl s_client, just would like to get more debug from snapd) [08:05] howdy! anyone here using Graylog? I'd like to know which device is sending the biggest amount of logs to the server... is a way to find out? thanks === vlm_ is now known as vlm [08:31] i would like to access data on my second ssd, but it is not visible on nautilus --explorer [08:31] however parted and lsblk shows the it as /dev/sdc [08:31] what can I do? [08:32] nautilus --browser [08:32] i mean [08:36] Guest20: gio mount -d /dev/sdc1 [08:37] says no volume for device file [08:37] Guest20: try sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt [08:38] works, nice [08:39] do you happen to know why gio didnt work? [08:39] no idea [09:26] anyone recall with kernel version ubuntu 22.04 started with at toolchain/development start? [09:26] *wich [09:27] lotuspsychje: I believe we can see it with `apt policy linux-image-generic` => 5.15.0.25.27 [09:28] I.e. I think the original kernel remains at jammy/main, while the next ones go to jammy-updates and security [09:28] Ah wait you mean in November? [09:28] alkisg: i got a bug here on jammy with 5.13.0-19 [09:28] yeah at start [09:29] I think it started with the 21.10 kernel, so 5.13 indeed [09:29] But why would you want to keep that? [09:29] its for bisecting purposes alkisg [09:30] i think my bug didnt occur at start, but then started with 5.13.0-19 [09:30] devs want to know wich kernel version was the last to work [09:31] nnn guys [09:31] I think the mainline ppa kernels are more suitable for bisection than the series kernels [09:31] As the series kernels backport stuff and make bisection more difficult [09:31] (and not all of them are available) [09:31] yeah i know alkisg im not gonna bisecting myself, just report what i know myself [09:32] I have all apt history.log from november and on if they help you [09:33] Start date 2021-11-20 => linux-image-5.13.0-19-generic:amd64 (5.13.0-19.19, automatic) [09:33] ah tnx [09:33] so it did started lightly on 5.13 series tnx alot alkisg [09:36] alkisg: added comment on bug #1958191 [09:36] Bug 1958191 in linux (Ubuntu) "[i915] Screen flickering in Ubuntu 22.04 (until i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2 are added)" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958191 [09:37] * alkisg hasn't seen that on MATE with his i5-4440 [09:37] you got intel 620 graphics too alkisg ? [09:40] I think so, although I'm not sure how to find that "620" string... lcpci says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) [09:40] Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [1458:d000] Kernel driver in use: i915 [09:41] alkisg: inxi -F gives me; Graphics: [09:41] Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 driver: i915 v: kernel [09:42] Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics, OK I thought it was 620... [09:43] no sweat [09:43] i actualy never tryed another jammy flavour to test that flickering, maybe i should have alkisg [09:43] The kernel won't have drivers for the sensors of my motherboard, is there a way to get it working? [10:10] I need help I am trying to setup platformio on vscode on ubuntu and it is bitching about python "could not find distutils module at blah blah" [10:10] python is already installed [10:11] why the fuck doesn [10:11] t [10:11] why doesn't Ubuntu come with venv [10:12] come on dude [10:12] yall are morons [10:12] get your head out of your asses and make sure that if you include python, you include all of it [10:12] jesus its confusing [10:20] lol [10:20] you install everything "omg bloat", you install the bare minimum "im missing stuff!11" [10:36] Hi! Any hint why I am unable to upgrade LTS 20.04 to 22.04 in chroot ? [10:36] do-release-upgrade -d fails with extracting 'jammy.tar.gz' [screen is terminating] and back to prompt :/ [10:57] Hi, I've had to reinstall Ubuntu 21.10 today. I use LUKS and systemd-boot. After doing the steps in the german ubuntu wiki, I boot the system. It dumps me into the initrd without any notice as to why. When I exit the initrd shell (ctrl+d) I get this stack trace: https://i.ibb.co/KKD1XGg/IMG-20220509-124358.jpg Does anyone know how I can fix this or [10:57] what the cause could be? [11:08] Is anyone here? [11:08] Good morning! For those who mildly remember my comments about the "Save File" and "Open File" dialog boxes acting strange and window behaviour being erratic in 22.04 (Gnome 42), I found a recent GTK thread mentioning these exact issues. They are indeed bugs. === dostoevsky5 is now known as dostoevsky [11:08] GTK window bug thread: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4805 [11:08] Issue 4805 in GNOME/gtk "'Save as' Dialog not showing on Chrome and Telegram" [Closed] [11:14] Ok, gonna run another test. === XV8 is now known as xv8 [11:28] is libssl.so.1.0.0 -> libssl.so.1.1, and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 -> libcrypto.so.1.1, good symlinks to have? i need the former versions in my system but they are not available. [12:19] Hi all [12:19] Upgrade to 22.04 from 21.10 done succesfully, everything went nice and smooth. [12:20] Welldone! [12:20] Well done to Cannonical [12:21] I'm surprised actually after what my laptop has went. [12:23] Hi all [12:23] ketiv, I'm experiencing some documented bugs with xdg-desktop-portal-gnome; the "save file" dialogue box is acting very erratic and sometimes doesn't allow you to save a file unless you change the filename. [12:24] Keep an eye out for something similar. [12:24] Ok, thanks. These are just my first minutes after restarting the machine. [12:25] I've had just some memo about USB however I do barely use it, will check the logs. [12:26] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4851 [12:26] Issue 4851 in GNOME/gtk "In the file save dialog *Save* accept button became inactive when I enter in subfolder" [Closed] [12:29] I think I will have to wait for an update. Not sure if I want to install things outside of the current repo === xv8 is now known as XV8 [13:02] hi, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (yes, I know it's old), is there a location where one can directly edit the "master" crontab files for a user (root)? or does one _have to_ use `sudo crontab -u root -e` to edit the text file, per `man crontab`? [13:03] /etc/crontab [13:03] N.B, if one tries to directly edit `/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root` there's a warning at the top that says `DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.` [13:04] ioria: that's the system-wide crontab that just runs the hourly, daily, weekly, monthly crontabs? [13:07] bn_work You should use crontab command to edit it [13:08] ioria: is it ok to put it? I had followed the standard install route as I had an odd schedule that I needed to setup: `0 3 * 1/3 Sat test $(date +\%d) -le 7 && foo` [13:08] s/put it/put it in there/ [13:09] Getting a 500 Internal Server Error when I go to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Scanners . Old Google link? [13:10] Anyone else getting an error? [13:10] works here chaslinux [13:10] and wiki recently edited too [13:11] Hi, I'when I boot into Ubuntu 22.04 I get an initrd shell and exiting it gives me a weird stack trace: https://bit.ly/3wgKTre [13:11] This is with init=/bin/sh on the kernel command line. [13:12] I use LUKS and systemd-boot to boot, the vmlinuz image and initrd are in the root of the efi partition, which has worked in the past. [13:13] chaslinux : for me it's working, must be something transient [13:13] brotherBox can't open link [13:14] how can get the output of a "realpath" and "dirname" with one command? [13:14] realpath(dirname("folder/file")) [13:14] does not work [13:15] memphisto: https://abload.de/img/-pg46hscsojqa.jpeg [13:15] Sorry [13:18] is this livedvd or installed OS [13:19] This is an installed OS [13:19] first time boot ? has it worked before? [13:21] Well, this is a bit complicated. I installed the 22.04 update from 21.10, which i had running for months, and 22.04 wouldn't find my network devices. So I reinstalled 21.10 and that when I first came across this particular issue (and seemingly related issues in that the stack trace differed occasionally, but it was always the dropping into initrd [13:22] shell and kernel panic thing) [13:22] So linux did work with my particular configuration, but this issue came up after reinstalling. [13:23] ok. i'll have to go pickup kid from scool, but in the meantime boot from livedvd (usb) check your disk [13:23] run fsck [13:23] Hm, I will. Mounting seems to work fine though. [13:24] if you are already there check dmesg [13:24] for any errors [13:24] see you soon [13:26] the jammy image here https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu has broken apt? "NO_PUBKEY 871920D1991BC93C". And gnupg* isn't installed so you can't add that pub key either. any suggestions? [13:29] memphisto: im back, e2fsck comes out clean [13:39] jlevon: what is the image digest of the image you are using? I just tried pulling the latest image tagged ubuntu:jammy and could not reproduce the issue here :) [13:40] docker run -v $(pwd):/src -it ubuntu@sha256:aa6c2c047467afc828e77e306041b7fa4a65734fe3449a54aa9c280822b0d87d /bin/bash [13:40] matching https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu?tab=tags I think if I got it right [13:48] memphisto: I'm back again, also on phone [13:51] jlevon: I have the same image here; apt update && apt install -y gnupg does succeed though [13:51] athos: weird. something local to me then :/ thanks [13:53] brotherBox2 have you been able to boot in live env? [13:53] Yes I have, the ubuntu 22.04 live iso works fine from my usb drive. [13:54] Unless you mean boot my linux system from the live environment, in which case I have no idea how to do that. [13:54] do lsblk -fs [13:54] Do you mean from inside the initrd shell? [13:55] no, from usb live env. [13:56] Sure, one sec [14:00] lsblk shows all my partitions, so you want a picture? [14:00] or you can paste it, now that you are in live env [14:00] @memphisto [14:01] memphisto: https://termbin.com/9ahva [14:02] nvme0n1p5 is my LUKS drive, which contains an LVM with volgroup-root and home [14:03] and nvme0n1p1 this one is uEFI [14:03] right? [14:03] can you mount it [14:03] and list it [14:03] That is the EFI partition, yes. One sec [14:04] Or maybe not to waste time [14:04] please first run fsck on efi partition [14:04] https://termbin.com/g6qr [14:05] I think you should re-install and when re-installing do the manual setup of partitions [14:05] Ha! e2fsck says I have an invalid magic number in super block [14:05] as you need to clear this EFI partiion [14:05] Which is super strange since I could mount it no problem [14:06] I will wipe and re-setup the EFI partition, since to do that with the rest of the partition scheme is a lot of work [14:06] yes, [14:06] but you should fsck the other partitions too [14:07] Including the nested lvm file systems? [14:07] just to be sure [14:07] Hi there [14:10] What happened to the old trick of moving around a desktop window with L-ALT and the mouse? Is there an alternative? [14:10] Well, only the nested volumes contain an ext file system to begin with, 1 is EFI, 2 is windows nonsense, 3 is windows installation, 4 is windows user files and 5 is luks. Does it make sense to apply e2fsck, which the man page says is for ext file systems, to a vfat file system? [14:11] use fsck.vfat [14:11] for efi [14:11] don't check windows stuff [14:11] Well, fsck.vfat on nvme0n1p1 comes out clean. Should I still wipe and redo it? [14:11] yes, you should wipe it [14:12] you can re-create it during installation [14:12] Has ubuntu caught up to that yet? I know that in previous versions I had to do the EFI partition stuff manually. [14:12] I use kubuntu, but it should be the same, you should have option to manually partition the disk during installation [14:13] if not, do it here [14:13] Alright [14:13] Q: What's the cmd to add an ssh key to ubuntu? [14:15] have to leave. Hope this will fix your issue [14:15] I'll try, thank you! [14:29] yo === astoykov is now known as scortal [14:30] scortal. === astoykov is now known as scortal [14:34] ubuntu ftw. [14:37] affirm [14:37] Yay :D [15:25] how would i find ubuntu 18.04 lts ISO for arm64? [15:26] trying to install 18 in a M1 VM [15:28] cdimage.. [15:30] get the server iso and put a desktop on it? [15:31] https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-18.04.6-server-arm64.iso [15:31] there are raspi images, but i think that is not wat you want [15:31] i doubt thos images are M1 compatible [15:31] in a vm? i hope so [15:32] hays, you might want to have a look at the cloud-images repository: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/ [15:33] there should be some generic arm64 stuff under there that *might* work on an M1 === diskin is now known as Guest8421 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [15:47] So I've debugged the issue I came here for. When I set break=bottom on the kernel cmd line, I get this output: https://i.ibb.co/PhkmRJP/s7C5uyOw.jpg . For *some* reason, nvme0n1p5 is busy. Which I can't imagine why that would happen. On a running linux, I would use lsof to check what processes accesses the device, but I'm in an initrd so that's [15:47] pretty much impossible. Does anyone know what could cause this? [15:57] nvme0n15 not ready .. [15:58] You know, this never occured to me. That is indeed strange. [15:59] run a fsck against it? from live iso [16:00] Well the problem is that p5 contains a LUKS partition, so the kernel can't mount that one at all. [16:06] hi :) [16:07] what are estimates on how long future Ubuntus will support running old 32 bit binaries originally compiled for Ubuntu trusty? "file" identifies it as "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24" [16:11] Trusty binairies? i guess more chance building them yourself, in future releases.. or build a docker image or such? [16:11] should I be able to resize home partition with gparted while it is mounted? [16:11] neurre, basicly yes, only growing larger. [16:11] Sven_vB: which app? [16:11] ext4 that is.. [16:11] how do I shrink ext4 home partition? [16:11] shrink from a live iso [16:11] matsaman, a proprietary one [16:12] can ubuntu 18.04 installer shrink ext4 partitions? [16:12] neurre, interesting,.. try it? [16:12] Sven_vB: you can always plop it into a VM or container and forget about it [16:12] oerheks, building it again would probably be more troublesome than writing a replacement from scratch [16:12] matsaman, that's good to know. :) thanks! [16:12] I have 20.04 but I need 18.04 [16:13] I'll try [16:13] oh, of course! I was worried because it has X11 calls, but I can do X forwarding from the container [16:13] not zero work, but it's nice for such situations where you're worried about an impossible replacement procedure [16:13] which ntp daemon would you recommend to use on ubuntu? ntpd, chronyd or systemd-timesyncd? [16:14] or yet another? [16:14] ubuntu 22.04 btw [16:14] server [16:14] https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-ntp [16:16] Towhat is wrong with standard systemd-timesyncd? [16:21] matsaman, I'm not sure what you're trying to say... systemd-timesyncd is the default, I'm aware. is that the one you're recommending? [16:21] TomyWork: if you're going to use Ubuntu, I would use what Ubuntu recommends, yes [16:23] otherwise I'd say ntp.org's is fine, unless it doesn't play nice with systemd and you're using systemd. Not a combination I've tried [16:23] I don't think systemd particularly cares about which NTP client is in use [16:24] chronyd, is oke, if you have a reason to [16:24] Ubuntu supports all 3 and I've seen each of them used successfully, which is why I'm looking for a recommendation [16:33] TomyWork: I mean if they didn't all work, they wouldn't all be provided. There's a default, so that's a pretty big endorsement [16:34] the only other variable is licensing [16:34] chrony is GPL, which is nice [16:34] In my about system information it shows my disk space at 1.8 TB, sudo du -cha --max-depth=2 / | grep -E "G" shows I'm using 100G, but df -h shows I only have 107G available on my home drive. I'm missing data somewhere but I'm not sure how to find it. Are there any resources that can help me? [16:36] MissingDiskSpace: sorry could you rephrase by stating only the problem [16:36] if licensing was a factor, GPL wouldn't be an advantage. some companies hate it :) [16:36] MissingDiskSpace: df shows FOO but you're expecting ... BAR? [16:36] TomyWork: and if you were against GPL for some reason, then it's still good to know the licensing [16:36] I read up about systemd-timesyncd and it seems like reduced complexity is one of its design goals, which is nice [16:37] given that systemd in general is increased complexity, I suppose that in particular is nice [16:37] both ntpd and chronyd bring the whole kitchen sink [16:37] That's my bad. I have Ubuntu installed on a 500GB drive but the OS thinks I only have 256 GB while the about in settings reads I have 1.8 TB of disk space [16:38] MissingDiskSpace, pastebin fdisk -l [16:39] also, if you're using lvm, pastebin vgdisplay, lvdisplay and pvdisplay [16:39] Here's the fdisk -l https://pastebin.com/nXqTgNSF [16:40] MissingDiskSpace, btw, word of advice for using "du": use the "-x" flag to limit it to one partition [16:40] I have multiple drives so I copied my linux drive specifically to the top and then left the whole output under it [16:40] TomyWork okay awesome, I'll read the man page again! [16:41] also check out ncdu [16:41] MissingDiskSpace: I mean, the GUI is going to be the wrong one =) [16:41] MissingDiskSpace: GUI screenshot? [16:42] I'm running ncdu / since doing my home directory wasn't too helpful [16:43] Could the GUI be wonky because of my SMB drive [16:43] https://imgur.com/a/OcYdecw [16:43] matsaman, I guess "systemd is more complex than the hundreds of shell scripts in a typical sysvinit system" is a perspective some people might have :) [16:43] MissingDiskSpace: terminal apps are what you want to use when you want to be sure of something [16:43] MissingDiskSpace, ncdu also supports the -x flag btw :) [16:44] TomyWork: interesting comparison [16:44] ncdu said I've got 1TB in /run ? [16:44] I'm just trying to find if some garbage wasn't managed properly [16:44] MissingDiskSpace: okay pastebin 'mount' [16:44] 'mount' output [16:45] tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1633184k,mode=755,inode64) [16:45] but ill get the full output in one sec [16:45] https://pastebin.com/98szxTiR [16:46] MissingDiskSpace, how much RAM does your system have? :) [16:46] 16G! [16:46] nothing insane but should be enough? [16:46] odd [16:46] what makes you think that is odd? [16:46] anyway, including ramdisks in your disk usage count probably isnt helpful [16:46] so, -x [16:48] with du? [16:49] with ncdu [16:49] ncdu -x / [16:49] ncdu is only showing one step below's memory so it is saying there's only one folder with 6G used [16:50] i didn;t know irc was still this is awesome [16:51] MissingDiskSpace, what does "one step below's memory" mean? [16:51] like it reads the disk usage of files in a folder but not files in subfolders [16:52] oh i assure you it does [16:52] unless they're on a different partition [16:52] and you're using -x [16:52] Oh right my home partition is on a separate partition [16:52] ^^ [16:53] So now I'm wondering if I gave my girlfriend's user half of the disk storage in her own partition [16:55] How could I go about checking that? Gparted shows one fat 461GB drive so I'm assuming I'll need to use zfs commands to see my layout [16:57] zfs list seems to indicate that they aren't splitting the space, I can get a pastebin but despite having learned plenty already I'm not feeling closer to finding out what is using the extra storage [16:59] https://pastebin.com/KjDuUTaA [17:05] Yesterday I was download music from bandcamp and my system had more disk space available than it does now. I wrote a script to unzip and delete each album, but eventually I ran out of space. The program stopped and I moved the data to my NAS. Since having moved all my data and deleted anything in my music folders and emptied the trash I'm still [17:05] short ~250 gigs on free space. Could that all have been related or some part of trash not properly emptied? [17:05] Is ncdu installed by default on Ubuntu systems? [17:06] it is not [17:06] MissingDiskSpace: Partitioning your space only ensures that the space you need will be on the wrong partition. [17:06] haha [17:07] It's easy enough to have users's files under their home directories, owned by them. [17:07] MissingDiskSpace: If you're concerned about usage, set up the quota system (that's what it's for). [17:07] jhutchins If only I had heard those wise words a year ago when I started this install haha [17:07] I don't believe I've heard of the quota system [17:08] Let's see if the bot knows... [17:08] !quota [17:08] I loose. [17:08] I'll happily rtfm if you show me where it is [17:08] !info quota [17:09] Not to imply you were condescending [17:09] quota (4.06-1build2, jammy): disk quota management tools. In component main, is optional. Built by quota. Size 209 kB / 1,220 kB [17:09] ubottu got it! [17:10] MissingDiskSpace: It used to be a little more prominent by default, I'm not sure where the Ubuntu docs are. It's section 9.9 of the Debian handbook ... [17:10] it just wasn't installed, but after reading the man page and trying it out I'll bust out the debain handbook [17:11] MissingDiskSpace: It's built into the kernel. https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/05/09/0212226/oracle-java-popularity-sliding-reports-new-relic [17:11] Oops. Stupid buffer. [17:11] https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-filesystem-quotas-on-ubuntu-20-04 [17:11] That's better. [17:12] step one is to install quota haha [17:12] It works pretty well, I used to maintain some multi-user systems that used it. [17:12] MissingDiskSpace: Yeah, that's the management tools. [17:12] gotcha! [17:13] side question, could you have a multi user system where the user's home folder is on a separate disk? [17:13] sure [17:14] but if you're using LVM, you wouldn't really have to think about it [17:14] and there are other alternatives, too [17:14] but sometimes it is as simple as normally mounting a regular FS to a specific place [17:14] how can you tell if you are using lvm or not? [17:15] https://askubuntu.com/questions/202613/how-do-i-check-whether-i-am-using-lvm [17:15] think I saw device mapper in one of your pastes, so you may well be [17:15] Ubuntu does prefer it for a variety of things [17:16] it shows /dev/mapper/cryptoswap in cat /etc/fstab [17:17] Is there a way to type monospace text in the chat here [17:21] MissingDiskSpace: That's determined by the client - whoever's reading it. [17:22] MissingDiskSpace: You might get bettter results using a text client like irssi. [17:23] I still don't feel like I'm closer to freeing the disk space that shouldn't be used. Quotas seem more preemptive than something I could use to see where I'm missing my 250GB, and ncdu doesn't seem to be finding it either [17:24] I've really appreciated all the help people are providing but I feel like I'm still barking up the wrong tree [17:25] According to ncdu I should only be using approx 85GB [17:27] fdisk -l corroborates that /dev/sda4 has 461 available GiB [17:27] and df -h shows my only have 106G available [17:28] zfs list agrees with df -h [17:29] I start with du -sh /* then work my way down the branches to see where the space is. [17:29] I assume you've rebooted the system since any major changes and don't have latent disk writes. [17:29] Its been this way since startup this morning [17:30] I'll reboot now for fun [17:32] I rebooted and did nothing but run zfs list to see and it still shows 106G free [17:33] My chat log was cleared so I apologize for forgetting the name but what was being said about running du (flags) /disk/* [17:35] !irclogs [17:35]