[00:32] <Battaglin> effin hell.. I got it now
[00:32] <Battaglin> wohoo
[01:07] <splud> doing a re-org of a workbench, pulled a old laptip up to use for simple web browsing, PDF viewing, and note taking  It had 16.0x LTS on it, obviously installed several years ago, so I went through the process of upgrading it, and that starts with getting it to 18.04 and from there to 2x (or so I expected).
[01:09] <splud> It was running fune on 16, but right after the upgrade applied and the system was rebooted to 18, the unit booted, got the loading screen ("ubuntu" with a series of dots under it), and when it went to start up into X, I got a screen with skewed image on it, like watching a scrambled show on cable in the 80's.
[01:10] <splud> Okay, framebuffer not correct, so I went searching for how to fix this, but didn't come up with anything particularly useful.
[01:11] <splud> A particular oddity is that while the screen was skewed, couldn't make anything out on it, but the mouse pointer is just fine.
[01:13] <splud> Eventually determined it was at a login, hit enter (for default existing user name) and entered my password, then the screen resets and I have a usable system.  When I restart and it comes back up, same thing - the login screen mapping is hosed.  Note that GUI GRUB is fine.  Where do I look for how to address this?
[01:17] <Crucifyy> maybe just upgrade again to 20.04? lol
[01:17] <Crucifyy> see if that clears it up
[01:26] <splud> I'm dead-set against continuing an upgrade chain when there's a problem in the middle.
[01:27] <splud> However, turns out the CPU isn't 64-bit, so 18 is where support stops with Ubuntu.
[01:27] <splud> (T2600)
[01:53] <jei> Hello, I'm not a fan of PPA repositories but would like to install (and auto-update) FireFox through apt rather than using the existing snap. Is it possible to add Debian's repo to my sources file and then block all installation *except* FireFox from that repo?
[01:53] <jei> I don't want to cross the streams as far as pulling in other Debian packages over the supplied Ubuntu packages.
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> jei: this method seems to be popular recently; https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
[01:54] <Unit193> If you plan to ride out the LTS rather than sticking with the latest release, you certainly can't pull from Debian.
[01:55] <jei> @lotuspsychje That's just installing from a PPA. I don't want to do that, I want to use an official repo.
[01:56] <jei> @Unit193 There's no way to have FF be the only package that
[01:56] <jei> *that's updated past LTS?
[01:57] <Unit193> Considering who's running that PPA, it looks like a safe bet to me.  Ubuntu core dev does it.  You might be able to pull firefox-esr from stable, but the PPA would at least be built with the right libraries and whatnot.
[01:58] <ravage> you can also just extract https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/100.0/ to your home dir and run it
[01:58] <ravage> it will auto update
[02:02] <jei> Interesting, I didn't realize that that version auto-updated
[02:03] <jei> So basically it'll work like windows where it's mostly self-contained rather than updating through the package manager?
[02:03] <ravage> right
[02:04] <jei> ah, that's good to know
[02:04] <jei> I'll give that a shot
[02:04] <jei> Thank you
[02:52] <pycurious> is anyone using deb-get ?
[02:53] <arraybolt3> pycurious: I dunno what that is, do you mean apt-get?
[02:54] <pycurious> https://github.com/wimpysworld/deb-get
[02:55] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3: Wimpy's latest: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/use-deb-get-to-install-popular-linux-apps-on-ubuntu
[06:13] <mattf> Any idea why this happens: http://ix.io/3Xlg  -- problems with lxd container, ubuntu host, arch guest. Happens with other commands too -- Could not set limit for 'nice': Operation not permitted -- I've tried sudo lxc config set arch limits.kernel.nofile 200000 and restarted the container.
[07:01] <exhldc> hello. I added 'SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
[07:01] <exhldc> ATTR{address}=="00:00:00:00:00:00",ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1",
[07:01] <exhldc> KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
[07:02] <exhldc> into a /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent.rules but it never trigger. The address is adapted of course
[07:03] <exhldc> so, my eth name stays e2424skljfafsf bullshit
[07:03] <exhldc> same string for wlan0 works (with it's own address of course)
[07:05] <exhldc> what could be the difference for wireless and etherne ifaces?
[07:11] <Philippe> bonjour
[07:11] <Philippe> mysql sur ubuntu 20 ne démarrre plus
[07:11] <Philippe> qui peut m'aider ?
[07:12] <sheldor> I'm using latest OTA on a Nexus 4 french operator Orange, APN seems to be set like https://assistance.orange.fr/mobile-tablette/tous-les-mobiles-et-tablettes/depanner/probleme-avec-un... but I can't send MMS
[07:12] <tomreyn> Philippe: quelquin en #ubuntu-fr peut-être
[07:13] <tomreyn> !fr | Philippe
[07:13] <Philippe> merci, j'y cours
[07:18] <Philippe> Hi, mysql doesn't start anymore on ubuntu 20
[07:19] <Philippe> can anyone help me ?
[07:19] <mrkubax10> how do you start mysql?
[07:20] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | Philippe
[07:20] <tomreyn> Philippe: more details needed, you surely have an error message? anything relevant on your logs?
[07:21] <tomreyn> exhldc: what you apparently want to do is to "disable predictable network interface names".
[07:23] <exhldc> tomreyn, thanks I'll check that. Still I want to understand why old udev trick doesn't work
[07:26]  * tomreyn does not know, suspects that udev rules are applied before network interface device reaming does. 
[07:28] <Kuleshov> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjjT67x-Uo Парад Победы в Москве. 9 мая 2022 года. Прямая трансляция — Москва FM
[07:29] <mrkubax10> this is ubuntu support channel...
[07:31] <Kuleshov> У Нас открылся Бесплатный VPN сервер. Данные для входа: https://vk.com/dchub.club?w=wall-209405006_25
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[07:35] <Philippe> sudo systemctl start mysql
[07:36] <Philippe> Ubuntu Linux 20.04.4
[07:36] <mrkubax10> what is output of systemctl status mysql after starting mysql?
[07:36] <tomreyn> !paste | Philippe
[07:37] <Philippe> Job for mysql.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
[07:37] <Philippe> See "systemctl status mysql.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[07:37] <tomreyn> (other pastebin-like services work such as termbin.com, too)
[07:38] <mrkubax10> output of journalctl -xe ?
[07:55] <user_dashuju> hello everybody
[08:00] <mncheck> where is documentation on debugging snapd? (on a firewalled connection x509 there is certificate issue and I would like to print the certificate. Already did with openssl s_client, just would like to get more debug from snapd)
[08:05] <SteelRose> howdy! anyone here using Graylog? I'd like to know which device is sending the biggest amount of logs to the server... is a way to find out? thanks
[08:31] <Guest20> i would like to access data on my second ssd, but it is not visible on nautilus --explorer
[08:31] <Guest20> however parted and lsblk shows the it as /dev/sdc
[08:31] <Guest20> what can I do?
[08:32] <Guest20> nautilus --browser
[08:32] <Guest20> i mean
[08:36] <EriC^^> Guest20: gio mount -d /dev/sdc1
[08:37] <Guest20> says no volume for device file
[08:37] <EriC^^> Guest20: try sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
[08:38] <Guest20> works, nice
[08:39] <Guest20> do you happen to know why gio didnt work?
[08:39] <EriC^^> no idea
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> anyone recall with kernel version ubuntu 22.04 started with at toolchain/development start?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> *wich
[09:27] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: I believe we can see it with `apt policy linux-image-generic` => 5.15.0.25.27
[09:28] <alkisg> I.e. I think the original kernel remains at jammy/main, while the next ones go to jammy-updates and security
[09:28] <alkisg> Ah wait you mean in November?
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i got a bug here on jammy with 5.13.0-19
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah at start
[09:29] <alkisg> I think it started with the 21.10 kernel, so 5.13 indeed
[09:29] <alkisg> But why would you want to keep that?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> its for bisecting purposes alkisg
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> i think my bug didnt occur at start, but then started with 5.13.0-19
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> devs want to know wich kernel version was the last to work
[09:31] <ghost> nnn guys
[09:31] <alkisg> I think the mainline ppa kernels are more suitable for bisection than the series kernels
[09:31] <alkisg> As the series kernels backport stuff and make bisection more difficult
[09:31] <alkisg> (and not all of them are available)
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah i know alkisg im not gonna bisecting myself, just report what i know myself
[09:32] <alkisg> I have all apt history.log from november and on if they help you
[09:33] <alkisg> Start date 2021-11-20 => linux-image-5.13.0-19-generic:amd64 (5.13.0-19.19, automatic)
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> so it did started lightly on 5.13 series tnx alot alkisg
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: added comment on bug #1958191
[09:37]  * alkisg hasn't seen that on MATE with his i5-4440
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> you got intel 620 graphics too alkisg ?
[09:40] <alkisg> I think so, although I'm not sure how to find that "620" string... lcpci says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06)
[09:40] <alkisg> 	Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [1458:d000] 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: inxi -F gives me; Graphics:
[09:41] <lotuspsychje>   Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 driver: i915 v: kernel
[09:42] <alkisg>   Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics, OK I thought it was 620...
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> i actualy never tryed another jammy flavour to test that flickering, maybe i should have alkisg
[09:43] <Lithium64> The kernel won't have drivers for the sensors of my motherboard, is there a way to get it working?
[10:10] <Guest96> I need help I am trying to setup platformio on vscode on ubuntu and it is bitching about python "could not find distutils module at blah blah"
[10:10] <Guest96> python is already installed
[10:11] <Guest96> why the fuck doesn
[10:11] <Guest96> t
[10:11] <Guest96> why doesn't Ubuntu come with venv
[10:12] <Guest96> come on dude
[10:12] <Guest96> yall are morons
[10:12] <Guest96> get your head out of your asses and make sure that if you include python, you include all of it
[10:12] <Guest96> jesus its confusing
[10:20] <mrkubax10> lol
[10:20] <zaggynl> you install everything "omg bloat", you install the bare minimum "im missing stuff!11"
[10:36] <matkor> Hi! Any hint why I am unable to upgrade LTS 20.04 to 22.04 in chroot ?
[10:36] <matkor> do-release-upgrade -d  fails with        extracting 'jammy.tar.gz'  [screen is terminating]    and back to prompt :/
[10:57] <brotherBox> Hi, I've had to reinstall Ubuntu 21.10 today. I use LUKS and systemd-boot. After doing the steps in the german ubuntu wiki, I boot the system. It dumps me into the initrd without any notice as to why. When I exit the initrd shell (ctrl+d) I get this stack trace: https://i.ibb.co/KKD1XGg/IMG-20220509-124358.jpg Does anyone know how I can fix this or
[10:57] <brotherBox> what the cause could be?
[11:08] <brotherBox> Is anyone here?
[11:08] <WeeBey> Good morning! For those who mildly remember my comments about the "Save File" and "Open File" dialog boxes acting strange and window behaviour being erratic in 22.04 (Gnome 42), I found a recent GTK thread mentioning these exact issues. They are indeed bugs.
[11:08] <WeeBey> GTK window bug thread: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4805
[11:14] <WeeBey> Ok, gonna run another test.
[11:28] <simatis69> is libssl.so.1.0.0 -> libssl.so.1.1, and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 -> libcrypto.so.1.1, good symlinks to have? i need the former versions in my system but they are not available.
[12:19] <ketiv> Hi all
[12:19] <ketiv> Upgrade to 22.04 from 21.10 done succesfully, everything went nice and smooth.
[12:20] <wez> Welldone!
[12:20] <ketiv> Well done to Cannonical
[12:21] <ketiv> I'm surprised actually after what my laptop has went.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:23] <WeeBey> ketiv, I'm experiencing some documented bugs with xdg-desktop-portal-gnome; the "save file" dialogue box is acting very erratic and sometimes doesn't allow you to save a file unless you change the filename.
[12:24] <WeeBey> Keep an eye out for something similar.
[12:24] <ketiv> Ok, thanks. These are just my first minutes after restarting the machine.
[12:25] <ketiv> I've had just some memo about USB however I do barely use it, will check the logs.
[12:26] <WeeBey> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4851
[12:29] <WeeBey> I think I will have to wait for an update. Not sure if I want to install things outside of the current repo
[13:02] <bn_work> hi, on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (yes, I know it's old), is there a location where one can directly edit the "master" crontab files for a user (root)?  or does one _have to_ use `sudo crontab -u root -e` to edit the text file, per `man crontab`?
[13:03] <ioria> /etc/crontab
[13:03] <bn_work> N.B, if one tries to directly edit `/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root` there's a warning at the top that says `DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.`
[13:04] <bn_work> ioria: that's the system-wide crontab that just runs the hourly, daily, weekly, monthly crontabs?
[13:07] <memphisto> bn_work You should use crontab command to edit it
[13:08] <bn_work> ioria: is it ok to put it?  I had followed the standard install route as I had an odd schedule that I needed to setup:  `0   3   *   1/3 Sat   test $(date +\%d) -le 7 && foo`
[13:08] <bn_work> s/put it/put it in there/
[13:09] <chaslinux> Getting a 500 Internal Server Error when I go to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Scanners . Old Google link?
[13:10] <chaslinux> Anyone else getting an error?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> works here chaslinux
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> and wiki recently edited too
[13:11] <brotherBox> Hi, I'when I boot into Ubuntu 22.04 I get an initrd shell and exiting it gives me a weird stack trace: https://bit.ly/3wgKTre
[13:11] <brotherBox> This is with init=/bin/sh on the kernel command line.
[13:12] <brotherBox> I use LUKS and systemd-boot to boot, the vmlinuz image and initrd are in the root of the efi partition, which has worked in the past.
[13:13] <memphisto> chaslinux : for me it's working, must be something transient
[13:13] <memphisto> brotherBox can't open link
[13:14] <zen_coder> how can get the output of a "realpath" and "dirname" with one command?
[13:14] <zen_coder> realpath(dirname("folder/file"))
[13:14] <zen_coder> does not work
[13:15] <brotherBox> memphisto: https://abload.de/img/-pg46hscsojqa.jpeg
[13:15] <brotherBox> Sorry
[13:18] <memphisto> is this livedvd or installed OS
[13:19] <brotherBox> This is an installed OS
[13:19] <memphisto> first time boot ? has it worked before?
[13:21] <brotherBox> Well, this is a bit complicated. I installed the 22.04 update from 21.10, which i had running for months, and 22.04 wouldn't find my network devices. So I reinstalled 21.10 and that when I first came across this particular issue (and seemingly related issues in that the stack trace differed occasionally, but it was always the dropping into initrd
[13:22] <brotherBox> shell and kernel panic thing)
[13:22] <brotherBox> So linux did work with my particular configuration, but this issue came up after reinstalling.
[13:23] <memphisto> ok. i'll have to go pickup kid from scool, but in the meantime boot from livedvd (usb) check your disk
[13:23] <memphisto> run fsck
[13:23] <brotherBox> Hm, I will. Mounting seems to work fine though.
[13:24] <memphisto> if you are already there check dmesg
[13:24] <memphisto> for any errors
[13:24] <memphisto> see you soon
[13:26] <jlevon> the jammy image here https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu has broken apt? "NO_PUBKEY 871920D1991BC93C". And gnupg* isn't installed so you can't add that pub key either. any suggestions?
[13:29] <brotherBox> memphisto: im back, e2fsck comes out clean
[13:39] <athos> jlevon: what is the image digest of the image you are using? I just tried pulling the latest image tagged ubuntu:jammy and could not reproduce the issue here :)
[13:40] <jlevon> docker run -v $(pwd):/src -it ubuntu@sha256:aa6c2c047467afc828e77e306041b7fa4a65734fe3449a54aa9c280822b0d87d /bin/bash
[13:40] <jlevon> matching https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu?tab=tags I think if I got it right
[13:48] <brotherBox2> memphisto: I'm back again, also on phone
[13:51] <athos> jlevon: I have the same image here; apt update && apt install -y gnupg does succeed though
[13:51] <jlevon> athos: weird. something local to me then :/ thanks
[13:53] <memphisto> brotherBox2 have you been able to boot in live env?
[13:53] <brotherBox2> Yes I have, the ubuntu 22.04 live iso works fine from my usb drive.
[13:54] <brotherBox2> Unless you mean boot my linux system from the live environment, in which case I have no idea how to do that.
[13:54] <memphisto> do lsblk -fs
[13:54] <brotherBox2> Do you mean from inside the initrd shell?
[13:55] <memphisto> no, from usb live env.
[13:56] <brotherBox2> Sure, one sec
[14:00] <brotherBox> lsblk shows all my partitions, so you want a picture?
[14:00] <memphisto> or you can paste it, now that you are in live env
[14:00] <brotherBox> @memphisto
[14:01] <brotherBox2> memphisto: https://termbin.com/9ahva
[14:02] <brotherBox2> nvme0n1p5 is my LUKS drive, which contains an LVM with volgroup-root and home
[14:03] <memphisto> and nvme0n1p1 this one is uEFI
[14:03] <memphisto> right?
[14:03] <memphisto> can you mount it
[14:03] <memphisto> and list it
[14:03] <brotherBox2> That is the EFI partition, yes. One sec
[14:04] <memphisto> Or maybe not to waste time
[14:04] <memphisto> please first run fsck on efi partition
[14:04] <brotherBox2> https://termbin.com/g6qr
[14:05] <memphisto> I think you should re-install and when re-installing do the manual setup of partitions
[14:05] <brotherBox2> Ha! e2fsck says I have an invalid magic number in super block
[14:05] <memphisto> as you need to clear this EFI partiion
[14:05] <brotherBox2> Which is super strange since I could mount it no problem
[14:06] <brotherBox2> I will wipe and re-setup the EFI partition, since to do that with the rest of the partition scheme is a lot of work
[14:06] <memphisto> yes,
[14:06] <memphisto> but you should fsck the other partitions too
[14:07] <brotherBox2> Including the nested lvm file systems?
[14:07] <memphisto> just to be sure
[14:07] <odesportes> Hi there
[14:10] <odesportes> What happened to the old trick of moving around  a desktop window with L-ALT and the mouse? Is there an alternative?
[14:10] <brotherBox2> Well, only the nested volumes contain an ext file system to begin with, 1 is EFI, 2 is windows nonsense, 3 is windows installation, 4 is windows user files and 5 is luks. Does it make sense to apply e2fsck, which the man page says is for ext file systems, to a vfat file system?
[14:11] <memphisto> use fsck.vfat
[14:11] <memphisto> for efi
[14:11] <memphisto> don't check windows stuff
[14:11] <brotherBox2> Well, fsck.vfat on nvme0n1p1 comes out clean. Should I still wipe and redo it?
[14:11] <memphisto> yes, you should wipe it
[14:12] <memphisto> you can re-create it during installation
[14:12] <brotherBox2> Has ubuntu caught up to that yet? I know that in previous versions I had to do the EFI partition stuff manually.
[14:12] <memphisto> I use kubuntu, but it should be the same, you should have option to manually partition the disk during installation
[14:13] <memphisto> if not, do it here
[14:13] <brotherBox2> Alright
[14:13] <Swahili> Q: What's the cmd to add an ssh key to ubuntu?
[14:15] <memphisto> have to leave. Hope this will fix your issue
[14:15] <brotherBox2> I'll try, thank you!
[14:29] <astoykov> yo
[14:30] <scortal> scortal.
[14:34] <scortal> ubuntu ftw.
[14:37] <Crucifyy> affirm
[14:37] <freakyy85> Yay :D
[15:25] <hays> how would i find ubuntu 18.04 lts ISO for arm64?
[15:26] <hays> trying to install 18 in a M1 VM
[15:28] <oerheks> cdimage..
[15:30] <oerheks> get the server iso and put a desktop on it?
[15:31] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-18.04.6-server-arm64.iso
[15:31] <oerheks> there are raspi images, but i think that is not wat you want
[15:31] <Maik> i doubt thos images are M1 compatible
[15:31] <oerheks> in a vm? i hope so
[15:32] <waveform> hays, you might want to have a look at the cloud-images repository: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/
[15:33] <waveform> there should be some generic arm64 stuff under there that *might* work on an M1
[15:47] <brotherBox2> So I've debugged the issue I came here for. When I set break=bottom on the kernel cmd line, I get this output: https://i.ibb.co/PhkmRJP/s7C5uyOw.jpg . For *some* reason, nvme0n1p5 is busy. Which I can't imagine why that would happen. On a running linux, I would use lsof to check what processes accesses the device, but I'm in an initrd so that's
[15:47] <brotherBox2> pretty much impossible. Does anyone know what could cause this?
[15:57] <oerheks> nvme0n15 not ready ..
[15:58] <brotherBox2> You know, this never occured to me. That is indeed strange.
[15:59] <oerheks> run a fsck against it? from live iso
[16:00] <brotherBox2> Well the problem is that p5 contains a LUKS partition, so the kernel can't mount that one at all.
[16:06] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[16:07] <Sven_vB> what are estimates on how long future Ubuntus will support running old 32 bit binaries originally compiled for Ubuntu trusty? "file" identifies it as "ELF 32-bit LSB  executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24"
[16:11] <oerheks> Trusty binairies? i guess more chance building them yourself, in future releases.. or build a docker image or such?
[16:11] <neurre> should I be able to resize home partition with gparted while it is mounted?
[16:11] <oerheks> neurre, basicly yes, only growing larger.
[16:11] <matsaman> Sven_vB: which app?
[16:11] <oerheks> ext4 that is..
[16:11] <neurre> how do I shrink ext4 home partition?
[16:11] <oerheks> shrink from a live iso
[16:11] <Sven_vB> matsaman, a proprietary one
[16:12] <neurre> can ubuntu 18.04 installer shrink ext4 partitions?
[16:12] <oerheks> neurre, interesting,.. try it?
[16:12] <matsaman> Sven_vB: you can always plop it into a  VM or container and forget about it
[16:12] <Sven_vB> oerheks, building it again would probably be more troublesome than writing a replacement from scratch
[16:12] <Sven_vB> matsaman, that's good to know. :) thanks!
[16:12] <neurre> I have 20.04 but I need 18.04
[16:13] <neurre> I'll try
[16:13] <Sven_vB> oh, of course! I was worried because it has X11 calls, but I can do X forwarding from the container
[16:13] <matsaman> not zero work, but it's nice for such situations where you're worried about an impossible replacement procedure
[16:13] <TomyWork> which ntp daemon would you recommend to use on ubuntu? ntpd, chronyd or systemd-timesyncd?
[16:14] <TomyWork> or yet another?
[16:14] <TomyWork> ubuntu 22.04 btw
[16:14] <TomyWork> server
[16:14] <matsaman> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-ntp
[16:16] <oerheks> Towhat is wrong with standard systemd-timesyncd?
[16:21] <TomyWork> matsaman, I'm not sure what you're trying to say... systemd-timesyncd is the default, I'm aware. is that the one you're recommending?
[16:21] <matsaman> TomyWork: if you're going to use Ubuntu, I would use what Ubuntu recommends, yes
[16:23] <matsaman> otherwise I'd say ntp.org's is fine, unless it doesn't play nice with systemd and you're using systemd. Not a combination I've tried
[16:23] <TomyWork> I don't think systemd particularly cares about which NTP client is in use
[16:24] <oerheks> chronyd, is oke, if you have a reason to
[16:24] <TomyWork> Ubuntu supports all 3 and I've seen each of them used successfully, which is why I'm looking for a recommendation
[16:33] <matsaman> TomyWork: I mean if they didn't all work, they wouldn't all be provided. There's a default, so that's a pretty big endorsement
[16:34] <matsaman> the only other variable is licensing
[16:34] <matsaman> chrony is GPL, which is nice
[16:34] <MissingDiskSpace> In my about system information it shows my disk space at 1.8 TB,   sudo du -cha --max-depth=2 / | grep -E "G"   shows I'm using 100G, but df -h shows I only have 107G available on my home drive. I'm missing data somewhere but I'm not sure how to find it. Are there any resources that can help me?
[16:36] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: sorry could you rephrase by stating only the problem
[16:36] <TomyWork> if licensing was a factor, GPL wouldn't be an advantage. some companies hate it :)
[16:36] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: df shows FOO but you're expecting ... BAR?
[16:36] <matsaman> TomyWork: and if you were against GPL for some reason, then it's still good to know the licensing
[16:36] <TomyWork> I read up about systemd-timesyncd and it seems like reduced complexity is one of its design goals, which is nice
[16:37] <matsaman> given that systemd in general is increased complexity, I suppose that in particular is nice
[16:37] <TomyWork> both ntpd and chronyd bring the whole kitchen sink
[16:37] <MissingDiskSpace> That's my bad. I have Ubuntu installed on a 500GB drive but the OS thinks I only have 256 GB while the about in settings reads I have 1.8 TB of disk space
[16:38] <TomyWork> MissingDiskSpace, pastebin fdisk -l
[16:39] <TomyWork> also, if you're using lvm, pastebin vgdisplay, lvdisplay and pvdisplay
[16:39] <MissingDiskSpace> Here's the fdisk -l  https://pastebin.com/nXqTgNSF
[16:40] <TomyWork> MissingDiskSpace, btw, word of advice for using "du": use the "-x" flag to limit it to one partition
[16:40] <MissingDiskSpace> I have multiple drives so I copied my linux drive specifically to the top and then left the whole output under it
[16:40] <MissingDiskSpace> TomyWork okay awesome, I'll read the man page again!
[16:41] <TomyWork> also check out ncdu
[16:41] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: I mean, the GUI is going to be the wrong one =)
[16:41] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: GUI screenshot?
[16:42] <MissingDiskSpace> I'm running ncdu / since doing my home directory wasn't too helpful
[16:43] <MissingDiskSpace> Could the GUI be wonky because of my SMB drive
[16:43] <MissingDiskSpace> https://imgur.com/a/OcYdecw
[16:43] <TomyWork> matsaman, I guess "systemd is more complex than the hundreds of shell scripts in a typical sysvinit system" is a perspective some people might have :)
[16:43] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: terminal apps are what you want to use when you want to be sure of something
[16:43] <TomyWork> MissingDiskSpace, ncdu also supports the -x flag btw :)
[16:44] <matsaman> TomyWork: interesting comparison
[16:44] <MissingDiskSpace> ncdu said I've got 1TB in /run ?
[16:44] <MissingDiskSpace> I'm just trying to find if some garbage wasn't managed properly
[16:44] <matsaman> MissingDiskSpace: okay pastebin 'mount'
[16:44] <matsaman> 'mount' output
[16:45] <MissingDiskSpace> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1633184k,mode=755,inode64)
[16:45] <MissingDiskSpace> but ill get the full output in one sec
[16:45] <MissingDiskSpace> https://pastebin.com/98szxTiR
[16:46] <TomyWork> MissingDiskSpace, how much RAM does your system have? :)
[16:46] <MissingDiskSpace> 16G!
[16:46] <MissingDiskSpace> nothing insane but should be enough?
[16:46] <TomyWork> odd
[16:46] <MissingDiskSpace> what makes you think that is odd?
[16:46] <TomyWork> anyway, including ramdisks in your disk usage count probably isnt helpful
[16:46] <TomyWork> so, -x
[16:48] <MissingDiskSpace> with du?
[16:49] <TomyWork> with ncdu
[16:49] <TomyWork> ncdu -x /
[16:49] <MissingDiskSpace> ncdu is only showing one step below's memory so it is saying there's only one folder with 6G used
[16:50] <kevin_> i didn;t know irc was still this is awesome
[16:51] <TomyWork> MissingDiskSpace, what does "one step below's memory" mean?
[16:51] <MissingDiskSpace> like it reads the disk usage of files in a folder but not files in subfolders
[16:52] <TomyWork> oh i assure you it does
[16:52] <TomyWork> unless they're on a different partition
[16:52] <TomyWork> and you're using -x
[16:52] <MissingDiskSpace> Oh right my home partition is on a separate partition
[16:52] <TomyWork> ^^
[16:53] <MissingDiskSpace> So now I'm wondering if I gave my girlfriend's user half of the disk storage in her own partition
[16:55] <MissingDiskSpace> How could I go about checking that? Gparted shows one fat 461GB drive so I'm assuming I'll need to use zfs commands to see my layout
[16:57] <MissingDiskSpace> zfs list seems to indicate that they aren't splitting the space, I can get a pastebin but despite having learned plenty already I'm not feeling closer to finding out what is using the extra storage
[16:59] <MissingDiskSpace> https://pastebin.com/KjDuUTaA
[17:05] <MissingDiskSpace> Yesterday I was download music from bandcamp and my system had more disk space available than it does now. I wrote a script to unzip and delete each album, but eventually I ran out of space. The program stopped and I moved the data to my NAS. Since having moved all my data and deleted anything in my music folders and emptied the trash I'm still
[17:05] <MissingDiskSpace> short ~250 gigs on free space. Could that all have been related or some part of trash not properly emptied?
[17:05] <jhutchins> Is ncdu installed by default on Ubuntu systems?
[17:06] <MissingDiskSpace> it is not
[17:06] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: Partitioning your space only ensures that the space you need will be on the wrong partition.
[17:06] <rob0> haha
[17:07] <jhutchins> It's easy enough to have users's files under their home directories, owned by them.
[17:07] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: If you're concerned about usage, set up the quota system (that's what it's for).
[17:07] <MissingDiskSpace> jhutchins If only I had heard those wise words a year ago when I started this install haha
[17:07] <MissingDiskSpace> I don't believe I've heard of the quota system
[17:08] <jhutchins> Let's see if the bot knows...
[17:08] <jhutchins> !quota
[17:08] <jhutchins> I loose.
[17:08] <MissingDiskSpace> I'll happily rtfm if you show me where it is
[17:08] <jhutchins> !info quota
[17:09] <MissingDiskSpace> Not to imply you were condescending
[17:09] <MissingDiskSpace> ubottu got it!
[17:10] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: It used to be a little more prominent by default, I'm not sure where the Ubuntu docs are.  It's section 9.9 of the Debian handbook ...
[17:10] <MissingDiskSpace> it just wasn't installed, but after reading the man page and trying it out I'll bust out the debain handbook
[17:11] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: It's built into the kernel.  https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/05/09/0212226/oracle-java-popularity-sliding-reports-new-relic
[17:11] <jhutchins> Oops. Stupid buffer.
[17:11] <jhutchins> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-filesystem-quotas-on-ubuntu-20-04
[17:11] <jhutchins> That's better.
[17:12] <MissingDiskSpace> step one is to install quota haha
[17:12] <jhutchins> It works pretty well, I used to maintain some multi-user systems that used it.
[17:12] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: Yeah, that's the management tools.
[17:12] <MissingDiskSpace> gotcha!
[17:13] <MissingDiskSpace> side question, could you have a multi user system where the user's home folder is on a separate disk?
[17:13] <matsaman> sure
[17:14] <matsaman> but if you're using LVM, you wouldn't really have to think about it
[17:14] <matsaman> and there are other alternatives, too
[17:14] <matsaman> but sometimes it is as simple as normally mounting a regular FS to a specific place
[17:14] <MissingDiskSpace> how can you tell if you are using lvm or not?
[17:15] <matsaman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/202613/how-do-i-check-whether-i-am-using-lvm
[17:15] <matsaman> think I saw device mapper in one of your pastes, so you may well be
[17:15] <matsaman> Ubuntu does prefer it for a variety of things
[17:16] <MissingDiskSpace> it shows /dev/mapper/cryptoswap   in cat /etc/fstab
[17:17] <MissingDiskSpace> Is there a way to type monospace text in the chat here
[17:21] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: That's determined by the client - whoever's reading it.
[17:22] <jhutchins> MissingDiskSpace: You might get bettter results using a text client like irssi.
[17:23] <MissingDiskSpace> I still don't feel like I'm closer to freeing the disk space that shouldn't be used. Quotas seem more preemptive than something I could use to see where I'm missing my 250GB, and ncdu doesn't seem to be finding it either
[17:24] <MissingDiskSpace> I've really appreciated all the help people are providing but I feel like I'm still barking up the wrong tree
[17:25] <MissingDiskSpace> According to ncdu I should only be using approx 85GB
[17:27] <MissingDiskSpace> fdisk -l corroborates that /dev/sda4 has 461 available GiB
[17:27] <MissingDiskSpace> and df -h shows my only have 106G available
[17:28] <MissingDiskSpace> zfs list agrees with df -h
[17:29] <jhutchins> I start with du -sh <path to device mount>/* then work my way down the branches to see where the space is.
[17:29] <jhutchins> I assume you've rebooted the system since any major changes and don't have latent disk writes.
[17:29] <MissingDiskSpace> Its been this way since startup this morning
[17:30] <MissingDiskSpace> I'll reboot now for fun
[17:32] <MissingDiskSpace> I rebooted and did nothing but run zfs list to see and it still shows 106G free
[17:33] <MissingDiskSpace> My chat log was cleared so I apologize for forgetting the name but what was being said about running    du (flags) /disk/*
[17:35] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[17:36] <MissingDiskSpace> thanks tomreyn ! seems a touch behind though
[17:47] <MissingDiskSpace> I found where the usage is! Its in ZFS snapshots. Working to find a solution to purge these now
[17:48] <MissingDiskSpace> and I also disabled snapshots of my home directory so I can work on managing my music without clogging up my system with backups of music I've already stored on my NAS
[17:51] <MissingDiskSpace> We're done! thanks for all the help
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> !yay | MissingDiskSpace
[17:53] <MissingDiskSpace> I learned quite a bit today too!
[17:54] <Crucifyy> thats the best part of this chan!
[17:54] <Crucifyy> i just idle in here and read lol.. learned so much stuff just from reading other peoples issues and the solutions
[18:01] <Tura> Hi, how do you convert a list of text-urls into clickable links?
[18:02] <Tura> trying with writer, but there's gotta be a way to not to them one by one
[18:04] <zelo> use a word program that automatically recognizes links..but i dont know which one would do that
[18:04] <matsaman> Tura: maybe save to RTF, then parse with perl
[18:04] <matsaman> then re-open, and save again in whatever final format you want
[18:04] <zelo> probably any of the full word processing programs will do it like open office or something
[18:05] <burton_> you could probably just cat the file to a terminal window and the terminal will turn the text urls into links you can click
[18:05] <matsaman> Tura: are you just trying to open them all, or make a document where they're all linked?
[18:06] <zelo> i was curious to know, how/when are the install iso's updated.. when for example grub is updated, are the regular download iso's frm the website
[18:06] <zelo> updated
[18:11] <zelo> oh, and if i run a live session and update, do those updates apply to the usb and then when the installer runs it will install the updated system? or are the updated gone as soon as the live session is closed?
[18:12] <zelo> ^without persistance
[18:15] <Tura> matsaman: the second one, a pdf document where they are all linked
[18:15] <Tura> (where the other person can just click)
[18:19] <Tura> burton_: dont know how to do that
[18:20] <zelo> you'll need something to make pdf's not convert to pdf
[18:20] <Tura> writer
[18:25] <samy1028b> Tura : another way, if they are the only thing in the text document, using php/perl/etc - parse it one line at a time, create an html file and write proper <a href="http://link1.com">link1.com</a><br> for each entry.  Close the html and open in your favorite browser and print to PDF.  Or, PHP/Perl/etc have PDF builder's that could do all of this without the last step.
[18:26] <arraybolt3> Tura: A Bash script would also work. In fact, let me see if I can build one real quick. It should take a text file containing each link as one line, and then output an HTML file like samy1028b soecified.
[18:27] <webchat9531> hello i am having issue with installing pwa on ubuntu 20 with chromium, whenever i hit install pwa it does install and opens a new window
[18:27] <webchat9531> but it doesn't add any icon to desktop or neither it add it to app drawer pwa is only visible on visiting chrome://apps
[18:28] <webchat9531> does ubuntu 20 have support for pwa's ?
[18:29] <Tura> thanks
[18:29] <matsaman> Tura: yeah HTML is probably easier than rtf
[18:29] <matsaman> Tura: cat listoflinksfiles | perl -pe 's/^(.*?)$/<a href="\1">\1<\/a><br>/g' > foo.html
[18:29] <Tura> I plug that in Terminal?
[18:29] <oerheks> webchat9531, what are pwa' s? we do support PPA' s
[18:30] <matsaman> Tura: yeah just change the 'listoflinksfiles' to point at the file in question, and make sure there's no existing 'foo.html' file in the same dir that you don't want to lose
[18:30] <matsaman> then open foo.html from Writer
[18:30] <Tura> ok
[18:31] <webchat9531> oerheks, no sorry i meant progressive web apps https://web.dev/progressive-web-apps/
[18:32] <matsaman> Tura: or another approach to consider ... if it works (?), it just depends on your use case whether it's better or worse than what you've already been given: https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-may-i-do-writer-recognize-hyperlinks-automatically/1860
[18:32] <arraybolt3> matsaman: Man, you beat me to it. And... what... is that? Wow, perl can be ugly but short and powerful!
[18:32] <matsaman> arraybolt3: well really all regex is that "ugly", but really it's concise AF, which makes it awesome
[18:32] <Tura> Wow, it worked!!!
[18:33] <Tura> Thank you so much
[18:33] <matsaman> but you could also do like, cat file | while IFS='' read -r line; do echo '<a href="'"$line"'">'"$line"'</a><br>'; done | tee foo.html
[18:34] <matsaman> Tura: 👍
[18:34] <oerheks> as chromium is a snap package, it may not find such by its confinement. reinstall chromium with the --classic option?
[18:34] <Tura> :)
[18:35] <ogra> oerheks, what would that do ?
[18:35] <ogra> (apart from spilling an error=
[18:35] <ogra> )
[18:35] <oerheks> ogra, i don' t know about PWA' s..
[18:36] <ogra> oerheks, i mean the --classic option
[18:36] <oerheks> no confinement.
[18:37] <oerheks> i find this 2020 bugreport, with Exec=/snap/chromium/1026/usr/lib/chromium-browser/chrome --profile-directory=Default --app-id=…  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1863897
[18:37] <oerheks> a lot of work ..
[18:41] <arraybolt3> @ogra You could just install the official Google Chrome via apt. That would be the easiest solution. https://www.google.com/chrome/ The site should automatically recognize your OS and offer you a Linux download.
[18:42] <arraybolt3> ogra: Pinging.
[18:42] <ogra> oerheks, --classic does not turn off any confinement, it allows snapd to install a snap that has explicitly created for classic mode ... it does not work ofn normal snaps
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3: chrome is not officialy supported on ubuntu
[18:43] <ogra> arraybolt3, why would i ? 🙂 i'm very happy with chromium on ubuntu as it is
[18:55] <webchat9531> oerheks pwa's are just installable websites, like how on mobile sometimes websites have that 'add to homescreen' option,  its a pwa and now on desktop pwa's are also being supported by chrome and other browser and installing a pwa on desktop will add the website as an app, pwa's have lot other benifits including better notifications, caching, they
[18:55] <webchat9531> can also register as file handlers and lot more
[18:55] <webchat9531> its works well on other distros, you can check this video out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0wi7yecUdc
[18:55] <webchat9531> and on windows also it works well
[18:55] <webchat9531> but on ubuntu it has this issue
[18:56] <arraybolt3> lotuspsychje: Is that bad? It's an Ubuntu problem with a third-party solution. In the event Chromium doesn't work for ogra, having some solution is better than none. And if they're not willing to fight with Ubuntu to get it to work, again, some solution is better than none. (Of course, if they are willng to fight with Ubuntu, and the task can be done, then doing so is the best solution.)
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3: i did not say it was bad, just not supported every user can use freedom of choice...
[18:59] <ogra> arraybolt3, what makes you think chromium does not work for me ?
[19:02] <arraybolt3> ogra: I meant that PWAs weren't working. It was just an idea. If Chromium is your browser, don't let me stop you. I stick to QEMU and virt-manager like glue despite the fact that VirtualBox looks nicer, because that's my preferred solution. Sorry if I was annoying.
[19:04] <ogra> arraybolt3, i have never used any PWAs in my life either 🙂
[19:05] <ogra> webchat9531, i think the linked bug that oerheks pointed to above can help ... needs some manual hackery of the .desktop files that chromium creates though ...
[19:05] <oerheks> sounds like a good thing not just any webapp can be added.
[19:06] <oerheks> my bet it is the snap issue, not chromium itself
[19:06] <ogra> well, it would be great if they just worked inside the snap confinement
[19:06] <ogra> yes, it is ... the bug explains that very well
[19:07] <ogra> the PWAs get installed an a .desktop file and icons get created ... but all inside the snap confinement, so the desktop environment does not see them ... getting that to work in a safe manner without breaking confinement is quite some work
[19:08] <oerheks> well, in the meantime, beyond 2020, home folder has changed from world readable to user.
[19:08] <ogra> (which is why it takes so long already, there are/were more pressing issues)
[19:11] <webchat9531> Yes thanks for that bug report, definately it helps
[19:26] <FreeBDSM> hello, after updating OS 18.04 -> 20.04 my system got infected with snap even more and now my browser (chromium) is affected as well. For some reason I can no longer click on a magnet link on a web page and expect the browser to pass it to another program to handle that. Another issue is that opening /tmp/ dir on FS via 'mini-explorer' in chromium on sites after clicking upload - shows it as an empty dir, while it is not empty at all. Does anyone know
[19:26] <FreeBDSM> how to solve these issues?
[19:29] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, change distro?
[19:30] <oerheks> ubuntu is turning to snaps, so if
[19:30] <wildlander> hi. If you want to install in the same HDD/SSD, 3 or 4 Operative Systems, - Which would be the best order of OS installation to do that, for Grub ? ( 1. Windows,  2. Debian,  3. FreeBSD,  4. SteamOS, 4. Ubuntu )
[19:30] <FreeBDSM> oerheks, eventually I will
[19:31] <wildlander> 5.*
[19:31] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: If you're not scared of making a Frankenbuntu, you can install Chromium from the Linux Mint repositories. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386738/how-to-install-chromium-from-the-linux-mint-repositories-in-ubuntu You could also use Firefox for the stuff that doesn't work in Chromium. If you're wanting to get the Snap version to do what you want, I don't know how to do that, but there's probably someone else here who can help
[19:31] <ogra> FreeBDSM, snaps use a confined dedicated /tmp that lives in a subdir under the hosts /tmp
[19:31] <oerheks> your /tmp/dir is not world readable, you need root priv
[19:31] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: Just remembered that Firefox has gone Snap too, so...
[19:31] <ogra> you should be able to copy file into it if needed
[19:31] <ogra> *files
[19:32] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: At least in Ubuntu 22.04.
[19:32] <wildlander> arraybolt3,  FreeBDSM or FreeBSD ? lol
[19:32] <FreeBDSM> arraybolt3, firefox has long been dead to me, I use it as a 2nd browser but wouldn't mind if it was whatever else, I don't even configure it anymore
[19:34] <Bashing-om> FreeBDSM: I find "slimjet" as a good alternative to chromium. A spin of chromium-browser.
[19:35] <oerheks> tons of clones, brave, vivaldi
[19:35] <FreeBDSM> oerheks, doesn't seem to be that way. I just downloaded a .srt file using that chromium into /tmp/ then I ran `find /tmp/ -iname "*.srt"` and got 0 results
[19:35] <FreeBDSM> brave is spyware
[19:35] <oerheks> lolz, you are not supposed to download to temp, try your home folder?
[19:35] <FreeBDSM> who decided that?
[19:35] <matsaman> who says it even ends in .srt
[19:35] <FreeBDSM> I do
[19:36] <matsaman> k
[19:36] <FreeBDSM> well, and the browser
[19:38] <FreeBDSM> Bashing-om, it seems to be distributed as binary package only, I see word 'freeware' and don't see any links to the sources.
[19:39] <FreeBDSM> in 2022 it is almost a must have for any program you run to be open-sourced (unless there are no open-source alternatives, otherwise this is just nuts to run someone's trojan by your own choice).
[19:39] <scortal> ubuntu.
[19:40] <webchat9531> but brave is open source how it can be a spyware
[19:40] <scortal> hi webchatter
[19:40] <oerheks> sure the source is available on launchpad
[19:41] <FreeBDSM> webchat9531, open source still can be spyware; afair brave's devs got caught red-handed already
[19:42] <scortal> sfsik
[19:42] <scortal> afaik
[19:42] <FreeBDSM> ?
[19:43] <FreeBDSM> oerheks, just checked privs on /tmp, it's world-readable+writable
[19:43] <FreeBDSM> drwxrwxrwt
[19:44] <FreeBDSM> is that not default?
[19:50] <ogra> it is default
[20:02] <mybalzitch> whomevers maintaining gimp on ubuntu needs to settle down with the default file assosciations
[20:02] <oerheks> that would be Debian GNOME Maintainers
[20:02] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp
[20:03] <oerheks> or the snap version? https://github.com/snapcrafters/gimp/issues
[20:11] <FreeBDSM> arraybolt3, that page you linked also describes how to use "pin-file" for apt to make it install just 1 package from an extra repo. This functionality is news to me. However, the example pin-file doesn't seem to mention the repo at all, it only seems to mention the package name. How does apt decide then which repo should be used for which packages?
[20:12] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: Hold on, finding out.
[20:14] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration Look at the "Prevent/selective installation from third-party a repository" section. Looks like that describes what's happening.
[20:14] <FreeBDSM> I see there's `Pin: release o=linuxmint` so maybe repos have 'names' and `linuxmint` is the name of the repo? just a guess
[20:14] <arraybolt3> Also, I didn't typo the section name, they did.
[20:15] <oerheks> oh, a mint tutorial.. they have a different software policy
[20:15] <oerheks> not usable on ubuntu
[20:15] <oerheks> !pinning
[20:15] <oerheks> this is our howto
[20:15] <ogra> yeah, do not mix mint stuff with ubuntu ... that will likely end in tears 🙂
[20:16] <FreeBDSM> ah, crap, you scare me off with the warnings :(
[20:16] <arraybolt3> oerheks: ogra: I did say "Frankenbuntu"... It's not necessarily a great idea, but high-reputation users on Stack Exchange say how to do it.
[20:16] <FreeBDSM> thanks though
[20:16] <arraybolt3> FreeBDSM: Try it in a VM and see how it goes. If things explode, then don't do it to your main system. Otherwise, you might try it.
[20:17] <FreeBDSM> arraybolt3, too much of a hassle, for now I can cope with these 2 issues. They are annoying but bearable.
[20:18] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Thanks for the Ubuntu pinning link - I saw the bit about Synaptic and thought it was the wrong tutorial...
[20:18] <ogra> arraybolt3, so if mint dumps a newer grub into their repo and FreeBDSM ends up with an unbootable system you will help fixing it ?
[20:18] <arraybolt3> ogra: That's what apt pinning is designed to avoid.
[20:18] <ogra> err
[20:18] <oerheks> i see no need in pinning.
[20:18] <arraybolt3> ogra: The apt pinning thing makes it so that *only* Chromium is ever installed from Mint, and everything else gets held back.
[20:19] <oerheks> for a browser, i see it as security risk.
[20:19] <ogra> arraybolt3, well, unles ther are other entries with lower pin priority ... then mint will overrule ...
[20:19] <ogra> oerheks, 👍
[20:19] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Agreed. I personally think Snapped browsers are a great idea, but they still are a bit rough around the edges for some stuff. For Firefox, you can use the manually installed tarball, but for Chromium, your options are limited.
[20:20] <arraybolt3> ogra: True, but -1 pin priority is pretty low, and that's what the Ask Ubuntu answer says to use.
[20:20] <ogra> are they ? doesnt google offer a tarball version ?
[20:20] <ogra> (i thought there was one, that also self-updates ... ICBW though)
[20:21] <arraybolt3> ogra: That's Firefox that does that. Google Chrome has a good deb package, but Chromium only offers source code, and lets everyone else figure it out...
[20:21] <oerheks> for chromium options, see systemsettings > applications > chromium
[20:21] <ogra> arraybolt3, i'm pretty sure this chromium version does it too https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium/
[20:22] <ogra> its a zip though ... not a tarball
[20:23] <matsaman> you wouldn't want a .deb built by upstream anyway
[20:23] <arraybolt3> ogra: I stand corrected. That version doesn't auto-update, and it looks like Chromium made it purposefully hard to find (if you go to the home page and the Getting Involved section, there's no link there to a download there), but if you're willing to download every so often, that might work.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> ogra: Nice going finding that!
[20:24] <arraybolt3> ogra: (At least, I don't think there's a link to it, I sure couldn't find one...)
[20:25] <arraybolt3> Also, it looks like these builds are betas - there's warnings about "tremendously buggy" and "bleeding edge" on two of the download pages, so...
[20:26] <FreeBDSM> nah, updating programs manually is so windows-like, I got spoiled by linux package managers
[20:41] <FreeBDSM> how do you keep up with things?
[20:41] <FreeBDSM> there's so much changing/evolving/new stuff appears...
[20:42] <FreeBDSM> I am not a rust dev, but just like pip for python packages it becomes more common/popular to have cargo installed to be able to build&install rust packages
[20:43] <sarnold> https://crates.io/crates/cargo-update ?
[20:43] <FreeBDSM> trying https://github.com/ryankurte/cargo-binstall
[20:43] <FreeBDSM> because I want to try the "new tmux" https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij
[20:44] <sarnold> oh neat
[20:49] <mattf> Im trying to do this on a lxd container https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/1854#issuecomment-606241047
[20:49] <mattf> to be able to use snap inside a container
[20:50] <mattf> i did: lxc config set cont lxc.mount.entry = /dev/fuse dev/fuse none bind,create=file,optional
[20:50] <mattf> Error: Invalid key=value configuration: lxc.mount.entry
[20:50] <mattf> so... Now im lost
[20:52] <sarnold> mattf: this post suggests a way to convert that lxc setting to the lxd setting https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/trying-lxc-mount-entry-but-does-not-work/11984/2
[21:05] <ogra> mattf, there is the squashfuse package that uses fuse to run snaps in unprivileged containers
[21:05] <ogra> (or was is snapfuse ??)
[21:05] <mattf> i installed it but i still have this error
[21:06] <mattf> ogra: http://ix.io/3Xpc
[21:06] <mattf> it is a priviledged container
[21:07] <ogra> i have nver had any issues using/running snaps in unprivileged containers though ...
[21:07] <noarb> I would like to have dropbear ssh in initramfs (to be able to unlock the root luks partition remotely) using https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/dropbear-initramfs - in order to use secure boot with this setup do I need to manually sign the package or initramfs? Is there any way to automate it?
[21:09] <oerheks> nosome posted an example https://www.cyberciti.biz/security/how-to-unlock-luks-using-dropbear-ssh-keys-remotely-in-linux/
[21:11] <noarb> I've read that article, it's a good one. But wouldn't that initramfs refuse to load if secure boot is enabled?
[21:12] <oerheks> no , after adding the keys dropbear-initramfs, sudo update-initramfs -u and it should work
[21:13] <mattf> when people talk about lxc.raw on the lxd config (lxc config edit container) do i have to add a lxc:  raw:  entry on the config: entry of the yaml?
[21:15] <noarb> booting with UEFI and secure boot only checks if grubx64.efi is signed, then?
[21:16] <EriC^^> noarb: shimx64.efi i think
[21:17] <arraybolt3> noarb: The kernel gets checked too. Kernel modules also need to be signed. The initramfs is NOT signed.
[21:17] <arraybolt3> noarb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[21:49] <jhutchins> Remember, the design purpose for Secure Boot is to prevent you from booting or installing Linux.
[21:57] <matsaman> if the secure boot & UEFI people have their way, most computers will be locked down terminals, like the worst chromebooks
[21:58] <matsaman> they won't, but they're sure going to try
[22:38] <cbreak> matsaman: nah, UEFI works fine without secure boot
[22:39] <matsaman> cbreak: nobody said otherwise
[23:56] <jhutchins> Secure Boot is an old, very settled system.
[23:57] <oerheks> without password, still unreliable.