[00:14] wow first my desktop icons disappear and now my sound died [00:14] yall need to work on things before releasing them in such a broken state [00:14] haah [00:14] jesus christ [00:14] HAHAH [00:15] Gambino whats so funny? [00:15] Your comment [00:15] this is an lts release and everything breaks [00:15] rabbit if i were you i'd demand a refund [00:15] please do file bugs on the things that broke before returning to 20.04 [00:15] everything broke within hours of using it [00:16] Damn im sorry man [00:16] I aint wasting my time, I am going back to Fedora [00:16] That's horrible! [00:16] by the way this is public now [00:16] Ubuntu is garbage anymore [00:16] what happened to the quality control? [00:17] What is [00:17] that everything in 22.04 is crashing hours after installation [00:17] Why? [00:17] it appares that the problems are from the release of Debian [00:17] Gambino why? people need to know to steer clear of Ubuntu [00:18] its broken trash [00:18] Well your help is truly apprecaited rabbit, thanks. [00:18] idk test these things before releasing them to the public [00:19] idk what to report or to whome [00:19] an LTS release should not be this broken on release [00:19] run 'ubuntu-bug ' for each package that you want to report a bug against [00:19] then fill out the bug report [00:19] idk what the package is called, I was watching a movie and BAM my sound died [00:20] yo [00:20] rebooted and it did not come back [00:20] pulseaudio wouldn't be a bad first choice [00:20] you expect me to know what that is? [00:20] its broken fix it [00:20] here is me reporting it [00:20] no, this is you whining [00:21] you reporting it would be running 'ubuntu-bug pulseaudio' [00:21] isnt this the irc channel for Ubuntu? [00:21] the *support* channel [00:21] this is for support, not bug reports. [00:21] ok support it [00:21] fix the bugs [00:21] its broken [00:21] stop this. [00:21] You havent asked for any help, just ranted. [00:21] what help is there to ask for? [00:21] Once you fix it, then you'll be in a better position to report the bug tho. [00:21] sound stopped working is not enough for you? [00:22] As you'll probably understand. [00:22] !details [00:22] Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [00:23] well factoid's gone to waste, but for good reason [00:24] I've been trying to configure a bridge network to use with qemu but for some reason my configuration isn't right and I don't know how to troubleshoot it. [00:24] I have restored my internet, but quemu has none. [00:25] rrr: the usual problem with bridges and networking is that you assign an IP to the *bridge*, not NICs on the bridge; moving the IP addresses around often causes the connection to drop [00:36] Hello, I have a question - is there an issue with Ubuntu's "daily-live" images? They haven't been updated in about 3 weeks... [00:36] before that, usually there'd be an updated iso image every day === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus [01:22] hm [01:22] i noticed snapd firefox does a weird thing where it doesn't go back to a network drive properly when you save as [01:22] i just don't get the whole snap firefox thing heh [01:23] can you even save as to a network drive with the snap? [01:48] hey all - anyone have any success remote desktop'ing into Ubuntu from an iPad? [01:50] I have xrdp running locally but cannot seem to get any RDP/VNC app to connect to the machine [02:25] hi, so I am running ubuntu desktop 22.04 on macbook air 2019, how do I get wifi to show up? [02:26] I can't find the drivers in the aditonal drivers app [02:33] https://webchat.aidhan.net/uploads/6f52fbead0d27023/image.png [02:33] here is ip a [02:33] https://webchat.aidhan.net/uploads/33b7e3c568fdd4d3/image.png [02:33] ifconfig [02:41] anyone hiring out there? [02:45] zxiion: Somebody's hiring for something. Most of the IT postings I've sene are laundry lists of skills for entry level pay. [02:48] cryocaustik personally if it was me, I would use a vnc server on the device, then setup a novnc web app [02:52] Kilroy: any concerns with performance on it? I have not tried it personally but have seen a lot of mention of it being much slower? [02:54] depends on what you are going to be doing [02:58] cryocaustik: When I used VNC, it worked, but it was laggy and choppy. Do you really need to remote in, or are you just trying to use the iPad as a RPi monitor? [03:18] cryocaustik: Argh, I saw "iPad" and for some reason thought you were using Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi... Sorry for the misunderstanding. [03:58] I'm trying to install GeoGebra 6 from the official deb package to my Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS. However, the installation gets aborted due to an error of Ubuntu Software. [03:58] Here's what it reads [03:58] Failed to install geogebra-classic as download failed: E: https://mirrors.bfsu.edu.cn/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 libgconf-2-4 amd64 3.2.6-6ubuntu1 is not (yet) available (Certificate verification failed: The certificate is NOT trusted. The revocation or OCSP data are old and have been superseded. Could not handshake: Error in the certificate verification. [IP: 39.155.141.16 443]) [03:58] https://wiki.geogebra.org/en/Reference:GeoGebra_Installation#Other_GeoGebra_Classic_6_versions [03:58] The soure [03:58] source* [04:00] !info geobra-classic focal [04:00] Package geobra-classic does not exist in focal [04:00] !info geogebra-classic [04:00] Package geogebra-classic does not exist in jammy [04:01] Simplar: there's a snap for that package [04:01] Simplar: snap info geogebra-discovery [04:03] lotuspsychje: why doesn't deb work then? [04:04] apt-cache doesnt see that package Simplar [04:04] so not officialy supported? [04:06] Simplar: if you encounter issues, contact the ppa maintainer? [04:07] lotuspsychje: oh, I see! [04:07] It's not the issue of my system [04:10] peacocktv refuses ubuntu. anything I can do? Sorry, your linux settings are not supported === Guest4638 is now known as money === money is now known as Gambino [04:56] What is it? Something proprietary you're tryin gin a browser? Perhaps set your useragent to windows. [05:34] what requires python3-cffi-backend package? Can it be removed? [05:46] ynbxyl: I really would not recommend removing that - you'll lose stuff like SDDM, apport, and parts of xorg, which all seem pretty important. [05:48] ynbxyl: On my system, if I try to remove that package, I'm told that all this stuff is also gonna get removed: https://pastebin.com/rFwnixCK [05:53] ynbxyl: To give you an idea of how essential that package is, I opened up a VM, and removed the package. The apt command didn't even finish before my desktop vanished, the system failed to restart properly, and after a force reset, I have no graphical display. So... yeah, don't remove that. (Don't worry, I did this in a VM, my system is still OK.) [06:05] ynbxyl: Why do you want to remove it? Is there something that its conflicting with? [06:06] because it's me who decide what should be installed in my system, not canonical [06:09] so, i purged the ubuntu-release-upgrader-core and python3-cffi-backend was purged with it. My system does fine without that 'important' package [06:09] ynbxyl: Interesting. On Lubuntu, removing it pretty much kills the system. [06:12] only these packages were removed on my system https://pastebin.com/80c0kfXE [06:14] ynbxyl: Ah, I see what's happening. You didn't remove the package, but you removed something that made your system think that it's no longer necessary (along with a bunch of other important-looking parts). If your system still works, great, but be careful should you ever try your hand with "sudo apt autoremove". I'll test to see what happens. [06:15] of course i did autoremove afterwards [06:15] still here [06:16] but i'm not using ubuntu's de, never did. Its only the packaging system I need [06:18] ynbxyl: Hmph. I went ahead and removed the packages on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Lubuntu), and it survived. Strange. Well, I guess if your system's working, then that's what matters. Just keep a live ISO flash drive in your top drawer for in the event something goes awry. [06:20] the packages that were removed are only important for that release upgrader feature. The system should do fine without it [06:23] ynbxyl: A lot of the packages that were removed were things that provide features to Python3 programs. So you might experience problems in the future if you're trying to use a Python script or application that expects those packages to exist (though if you get the application through apt it will probably reinstall whatever it needs). Other than that, I *think* you'll be OK. === diskin is now known as Guest4267 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [06:26] ynbxyl: Sorry for the initial warning - I'll know better next time and actually use the distro matching that of the person I'm talking to, rather than trying stuff on one distro and thinking it applies to another. [06:28] no problem, just wanted to know if some undesired hidden effects could possibly happen if that cffi thingy got removed [06:31] ynbxyl: In case you didn't know about this already, if you want to try potentially dangerous stuff but not risk your system, you can use virtual machines. They're like a computer within a computer. Just look up how to enable hardware virtualization on your system, enable it, then do "sudo apt install virt-manager", log out and log back in, and enjoy. [06:35] arraybolt3: not all hidden effect could be caught with a vm. The system could still work but something could be not working properly [06:37] remove libnss-mdns for instance and you wont notice no difference. But then mdns clients won't be able to resolve host names to ip. Subtle [06:44] ynbxyl: True. But it's at least another layer of safety so you don't get hit with "Hey, where'd my desktop go?!" in the middle of a customization session. Also, you can use "apt-cache show " to get an idea of what a package does before messing with it (for instance, I can tell that removing libnss-mdns will make me be unable to resolve any .local addresses - yikes for someone who does ssh raspberrypi.local every now and [06:44] then). [07:01] does gnome files in focal still use ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring ? I'm looking for a way to forget SMB credentials for a windows net share I bookmarked [07:02] I see a file called ~/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring, I guess this is the one I meant to ask in the previous line [07:04] I installed openVPN using a .sh but forgot that I had apache serving up a homepage [07:04] now i can't access the openvpn-as web control panel [07:25] how do i uninstall apache2? i tried but it still is holding on [07:40] Hello! I need to send 4 small images from my notebook to my Android phone. I'm in a cafe. No email proggy on my phone. Any ideas how to go about it? [07:53] beuys: All of the easy ways to do this involve an online account of some sort (Google, Facebook, Reddit, GitHub, all would likely work). So I'm assuming you don't want to go this route, since you don't have email. [07:54] arraybolt3: I am trying wetransfer now. Not great, but it does not need an account. [07:54] beuys: Oh, OK. [07:55] beuys: If you end up not wanting to go through an online channel, you can use the Termux app to give you a miniature Linux environment on your phone. You should be able to use netcat to beam the files at that point. [07:56] I don't want to install 3rd party apps on my phone. [07:56] beuys: Don't get Termux from Google Play though, the official version is on F-Droid. [07:58] Well, I gotta leave because some idiot just sat down next to me, sneezing and coughing. Thanks for the suggestions! [08:11] I am about to use dia, but... is there some simple programme to take a photo of a piece of equipment and put boxes with a part name and an arrow? [08:19] weedmic: draw.io? [08:19] gimp? [08:28] tks [08:41] 👍 === five643333496343 is now known as five64333349634 [08:48] hey, is it intended to do a do-release-upgrade *-d* when upgrading from 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS? i'd have expected it to work without -d since it's described as development release? [08:49] @idl0r, do-release-upgrade between LTS releases waits for the .1 release (i.e. 22.04.1) to come out - so that will be in a couple of months [08:49] pvh_sa: ah! thanks! [08:49] if you want to upgrade before then, -d is needed if I recall right [09:00] hey there, since upgrading to 22.04 the systemd-oomd kills my browser processes from time to time.. it *looks* like random browser crashes but I notice the oomd messages in the logs. [09:01] my laptop has 16 GB RAM but (like many people?) I have a ton of tabs open... I'm wondering how best to either (1) configure oomd to be less agggress ive or (2) have some kind of visual warning (a bit like the "you're almost out of disk space" ones) before the oomd goes and kills things [09:02] in pre-22.04 days I'd periodically crash my laptop because of running out of RAM (e.g. run a big data analysis while having lots of tabs open) so I guess killing browsers is not an absolutely terrible thing (as they come back with most state preserved when I restart them) [09:08] ah I see the Gnome folks are thinking about notifications on this - https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/20649 [09:08] Issue 20649 in systemd/systemd "systemd-oomd: Provide user feedback when killing a cgroup in a user slice" [Open] [09:50] I have an ubuntu-server installation where I had to install the gui component later on. Desktop (gnome) works, but video (both vga and hdmi) is limited to 1024x768 and graphic driver says it's llvmpipe [09:50] I am expecting to use intel igpu [09:51] but I'm failing to enable it [09:56] this is lshw for display https://termbin.com/k1k1 [10:01] arkanoid: unclaimed means, no driver module loaded [10:03] arkanoid: you might best as in #ubuntu-server but im not sure -server is optimized for desktop purposes [10:03] *ask === dbristow_ is now known as dbristow [11:12] lotuspsychje: thanks for the hint, but nobody seems interested in that matter in ubuntu-server, and possibly for good reasons [11:22] arkanoid: i doubt that. It's just a matter of people not being around. [11:26] Maik: what I don't understand is why the dri should be disabled by default in ubuntu server distribution. What if I want to encode or decode multimedia with the hardware encoder/decoder? [11:27] i don't know, i'm not a expert on those things [11:29] arkanoid: that's a more specialised use case [11:30] gordonjcp: possibly yes, depends. Why disable some cpu capabilities while leaving others on, by default? [11:30] arkanoid: The answer to such questions is usually "One less thing to go wrong" for a feature that wouldn't commonly be needed, but where ultra reliability is important. [11:31] non using an hardware capability and replacing it with software is a thing that can go wrong, you may end up finding it out only when problem scales big, and so when it's too late [11:38] I've been trying all the way I know to enable iGPU on ubuntu server, but it's refusing to do so. From a long time ubuntu desktop user, I'm finding how server edition is locked down a bit scary [11:38] it's not behaving as me, the administrator, is telling it do behave [11:40] lspci clearly shows the device as available: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 4c8b (rev 04) === five643333496346 is now known as five64333349634 [11:55] lol, I'm having more success using archlinux docs to find ubuntu-server solution, that official docs [11:57] there's clearly a different output for "sudo dmesg | grep i915" on working ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server [11:58] working system: https://termbin.com/5lqrq , ubuntu-server: https://termbin.com/fwm0 [11:58] but lsmod shows that i915 is loaded on both systems, so it might well be a module option? [12:00] /lib/firmware/i915 is populated with firmware files, so clearly the firmware is NOT loaded on ubuntu server [12:14] Hi all [12:21] solved. The gpu was too modern for lts 20.04 kernel. It works using https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle [12:21] I mean HWE === TonyL is now known as DarkG [13:03] Hey dear people, [13:03] Im having trouble finding any docs or guides on autoinstall of ubuntu 20.04.4 server, partially with late-commands in user-data [13:03] simply writing the commands as you would in bash doesn't work, [13:03] for example: `sed -i -e 's/^#\?PasswordAuthentication.*/PasswordAuthentication yes/g' /target/etc/ssh/sshd_config` [13:03] to allow password auth in SSH doesn't work in 20.04.4, but worked in 20.04.2.. [13:03] Any ideas? [13:17] Why can't I connect to mariadb as root on 22.04 with a fresh install of 10.6 straight out of the ubuntu repos? [13:30] BrianHechinger[m: sudo mysql localhost [13:42] hello [13:42] "Brian Hechinger: sudo mysql..." <- I'm already root [13:44] BrianHechinger[m: ok, hen what happens when you just run "mysql"? [13:45] hi folks i'm trying to do an upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 on a fairly vanilla system. when i do: do-release-ugrade it says: "Checking for a new Ubuntu release\nThere is no development version of an LTS available.\nTo upgrade to the latest non-LTS development release\nset Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades." [13:46] !ltsupgrade | ens [13:46] ens: Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d [13:46] thanks ubottu [13:47] + leftyfb [13:59] "Brian Hechinger: ok, hen what..." <- ```root@homer:/etc/mysql# mysql [13:59] ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) [13:59] ``` [13:59] s/```//, s/mysql// [14:01] BrianHechinger[m: can you try "sudo mysql" as a user, not root? Also, are you just running as I give it to you or are you adding in a user and prompt for password or are you connecting over remote? [14:02] somehow I boffed that paste. :-D [14:02] root@homer:/etc/mysql# mysql [14:02] is what's being run [14:03] there are no other users so let me add one [14:04] BrianHechinger[m: sorry, but we can only help with ubuntu here. If you don't have any users beyond root, then you're not running any official, supportable versions of ubuntu [14:04] it's 22.04 [14:04] BrianHechinger[m: is it a VPS or some sort of droplet? [14:04] it's digitalocean who for some reason don't make a non-root user [14:05] right, it's droplet, a very customized version of ubuntu. Who knows what defaults they are setting [14:06] question regarding autoinstall on 20.04 [14:06] in user-data, i configured network, with interface enp0s3 (default for autoinstall), [14:06] How do i change it to ens160 afterwards? late-commands don't seem to make a difference if i try to sed it [14:15] BrianHechinger[m: try "mysql_install_db" [14:17] I am running ubuntu 22.04 and i notice something really strange happening - i have english keyboard layout selected in gnome3 but when i type ( also check with xev ) a german layout is used [14:17] when i click "show keyboard layout it also does show the correct keys ( english ) being pressed === hackerman4 is now known as hackerman [14:23] mysql -u -p [14:25] jhutchins: that doesn't work on default installations anymore [14:26] well, not -uroot anyway [14:26] since there's no password, it uses the local authentication socket === hackerman1 is now known as hackerman [14:26] I'm not so sure that's what's going on here though regardless [14:27] How do I add keys for a specific PPA? (e.g. https://launchpad.net/~timescale) ? [14:27] The key ID is 7CC0BD6EF6C3F6B8C74311AEBAA1EFC4E4A48BEB [14:28] This does not work: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7CC0BD6EF6C3F6B8C74311AEBAA1EFC4E4A48BEB [14:28] Fails with: gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory [14:29] I guess I am missing dirmngr [14:30] otisolsen70: dirmngr should be installed by default on ubuntu [14:30] leftyfb, for some reason it is not. This is a minimal install. Maybe that is why [14:30] define minimal install [14:31] leftyfb, I cannot define it. It was provided as an installed image on a hosting provider. [14:32] otisolsen70: that's called a customized image which we really cannot support here since they make customizations that severely impact our ability to properly support them [14:32] otisolsen70: case in point with not installing a basic tool like dirmngr [14:32] who knows what else they've changed/broken [14:33] No idea. But installing dirmngr fixed it for me. === hackerman3 is now known as hackerman [14:34] i upgraded to 22.04 but now on boot it says: "ALERT: UUID=... does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" then puts me into busybox [14:34] is there something i can check to fix it? [14:34] it might be due to the fact that it's using UEFI === hackerman6 is now known as hackerman [14:45] Hello. I am using Ubuntu Mint 20.04, trying to watch a video using vlc-pi from snap on a sshfs mounted directory, and I keep getting a permission denied. I have tried to connect vlc-pi to all the snap connections that seem relevant, but it still refuses. [14:45] !mint | svip [14:45] svip: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) [14:45] leftyfb: Do you know a channel for snap-related questions? [14:45] #snappy [14:45] Thanks. === hackerman6 is now known as hackerman [15:13] "Brian Hechinger: try "mysql_inst..." <- It tells me i can't run that and i should run the upgrade script [15:30] howdy, searching "git-prompt.sh" on https://packages.ubuntu.com/ package contents yields no result [15:30] aren't git contrib scripts provided by any package? [15:32] so i'm trying to run the installer now for 22.04. i'm selecting the old 20.04 partition's root as the / partition. which is /dev/mapper/isw_xxx_Volume1p5 . it says "The ext4 file system creation in partition #5 of Serial ATA RAID isw_xxx_Volume5 (stripe) failed." [15:57] Got problems this morning. Ubuntu flavor won't boot. Didn't do anything to cause this. Any ideas on what to do? [15:57] I'm on my Android cell phone. === Guest4560 is now known as Gambino [16:09] * bittin is watching the 22.04 Server webinar [16:14] Well urk, if you didnt do anything, then I guess its a hardware failure. Try another computer. [16:15] urk: start by giving the release of ubuntu, kernel version if you can get it and what errors you are getting [16:18] leftyfb: I only get a black screen, but get an error indicating something is wrong with the gnome display manager when entering Ctrl Alt F1 during boot. [16:18] urk: what ubuntu release and flavor? [16:20] urk: are you running PopOS? [16:21] Latest Pop!_OS. It's U unturned with an optimized gnome session for System76 Oryx Pro (Cleavo) [16:22] urk: it is not supported here. You've been told this before. [16:23] urk: as you were told last time, try #system76 [16:24] leftyfb: I'm on an Ubuntu OS so why isn't it supported? There is nothing different from standard Ubuntu, and Pop doesn't offer support. [16:24] there are tons of differences to a standard ubuntu [16:27] urk: they are their own distro with their own repository, packages and applications. System76 does have their own support https://support.system76.com/ [16:29] I use the Ubuntu repository exclusively. System76 people are nit technically trained, and hire a guy to optimize Cleavo with Ubuntu. [16:29] urk: good luck [16:31] urk: also, they run a completely different kernel [16:31] urk, PopOS's installer will install you a bootloader that is not considered ready for prime time by ubuntu ... PopOS uses a completely different kernel (directly build from mainline, missing all ubuntu (security) patches) ... [16:31] it's a LOT more than just the desktop [16:31] urk, if you have any issue with your boot there is nobody in here that can help you with your setup since this is PopOS' own thing [16:32] ogra: thanks === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus [16:33] urk, also note that disabling the pop repos will not change what you have already install4ed on disk and it will likely break your install if you disable their repos since their modified packages will be replaced by ubuntu ones ... breaking their defaults [16:33] ogra: Is the Ubuntu boot loader more stable? [16:34] well, it exists for way longer ... and is more general purpose than systemd-boot (which is only for a certain set of HW (good enough for the HW PopOS supports)) [16:36] either way, for support you really need to ask the guys that work with this setup ... nobody here will know about their modifications, defaults or even the bootloader setup, nothing of this is used in ubuntu [16:36] hi. What do you use for multiboot pendrive/USBmemory ? (Yumi, Ventoy,...) [16:36] !ot | wildlander [16:36] wildlander: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [16:40] leftyfb, what channel in Libera should I ask this, then ? installation of ubuntu or other linuxOS is offtopic in here ? [16:41] I use Ventoy. [16:41] wildlander: #ubuntu-offtopic would be good for non-support related questions regarding software opinions, as the bot stated to you [16:41] ok then [16:41] It works with Ubuntu and every other OS I've ever tried it with. [16:42] Not familiar with yumi. [16:42] ok enigma9o7[m] , Ventoy seemed the right one to me too === diskin is now known as Guest3155 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [16:53] can I enable a bridge adapter for qemu or any network device work with qemu from network-manager, somehow? [16:55] rrr: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-20-04-add-network-bridge-br0-with-nmcli-command/ [16:57] Thanks I'll give that a tryp. === diskin is now known as Guest8854 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [17:04] so the ubuntu 22.04 installer fails to work with my raid array but the installer for 20.04 works. I think it is related to the fact that i'm using a bios software RAID setup for the disks. === morpheuz8 is now known as morpheuz [17:06] ens: is it fakeraid? [17:06] i think it is something like that. it's some kind of software raid not hardware raid. [17:06] disable it [17:07] that worked good, thanks leftyfb [17:07] well it's running side by side with a windows install on the raid0 array so i don't think that's possible [17:07] ens: it's really only meant for Windows to take advantage of and is not a great way to do RAID [17:08] ah, raid0, so you don't really care about the data anyway so just disable it, wipe and reinstall everything [17:15] when I pin a package by writing to /etc/apt/preferences.d/... with Pin-Priority: 1002. and I do a /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install does that package still get upgraded if there's minor patches (symver) or what goes on there? [17:19] hi [17:25] Guest8: hi there. in case you have a support question, just ask. :) [17:29] is there a way to tell the last time a package was updated? [17:30] bancroft: apt logs what it does in /var/log/apt [17:31] bancroft: sudo grep /var/log/dpkg.log [17:32] there's both history.log, which is a log of what you asked it to do, and it went to do (but not the outcome of it), and term.log, which is what actually happened. but history.log is easier to read / parse [17:32] hmm, right, i guess /var/log/dpkg.log is actually a lot easier for this purpose [17:36] tomreyn: still interesting, what's the eipp.log for? [17:37] leftyfb: thanks :) [17:53] bancroft: i don't have eipp.log there [17:54] * bancroft shrugs [17:54] oh actually i have eipp.log.xz [17:54] not sure what this is generated by or what it stands for [17:54] I can tell you it's a file that exists [17:55] bancroft: tomreyn: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/431784 [17:55] i found ian.org/981728http:// [17:55] i found https://bugs.debian.org/981728 [17:55] Debian bug 981728 in apt "please document eipp.log" [Wishlist, Open] [17:56] interesting [17:56] hello, are there any ubuntu LTS 20.04 -> 22.04 release notes? The only one I could find is for 21.10 -> 22.04 [17:56] !ltsupgrade | apt-get_ [17:56] apt-get_: Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d [17:56] apt-get_: release notes are release notes, they don't make release notes as a comparison to all previous supported releases [17:57] I mean, with a name like Jammy Jellyfish, who wouldn't want to upgrade right away [17:58] I'll see myself out [17:59] I see, thanks leftyfb lotuspsychje [18:00] It's starting to get difficult to work with 22.04 with these gnome bugs. :( [18:02] oh wait. I could use xfce. brb [18:02] how can i install wine32 arm64 ubuntu [18:02] you can wait till 22.04.1 until more bugs are resolved, but there will always be bugs around [18:02] !wine [18:02] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [18:02] lotuspsychje, true. But the save file dialogue is broken so I cannot save files. [18:02] brb === ctrlbreak_MAD is now known as ctrlbreak [18:08] Yep. Save works in xubuntu [18:08] * WeeBey shakes head [18:09] did you file a bug about that WeeBey [18:10] I saw that there's a thread mentioned in the GTK website. I'm a bit of a noob so I'm not sure how to file a proper bug. [18:11] Related to: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4805 [18:11] Issue 4805 in GNOME/gtk "'Save as' Dialog not showing on Chrome and Telegram" [Closed] [18:12] save works fine for me. weird [18:12] Crucifyy, 22.02 + fresh install? [18:13] 22.04 updated [18:13] Oh! So weird. [18:13] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4907 [18:13] Issue 4907 in GNOME/gtk "Clicking the 'Save' button doesn't actually download the file" [Opened] [18:13] Happening on Arch as well [18:14] Wow, lots of people have this. [18:19] Is there a way for me to intall a later version of Ubuntu's gnome/desktop environment? Something more recent? [18:21] WeeBey: your bug is already known upstream, and chrome is not officialy supported on ubuntu, use chromium instead [18:21] WeeBey: as for your telegram, is that snap or the apt version affected? [18:21] lotuspsychje, It doesn't anything to do with chrome or telegram. It happens with any app that uses the save file dialogue. Eg., screenshots [18:22] I was trying to save a screenshot and tried 4 times and it would not save a file to the desktop. You can imagine that it's frustrating. [18:22] Same with trying to save files from Firefox (e.g, pdfs) [18:22] i didnt see an issue like that on my side [18:23] I'm just lucky, I suppose. :-) [18:23] the save dislog of snaps is a completely differnnt thing to native save dialogs from gtk apps [18:23] lotuspsychje, is there a way for me to check if I can install a newer version of ubuntu-desktop from an official repo? [18:24] ogra, interesting. Do they look the same? [18:24] if you see the issue with a snap it is likely that your xdg--desktop-portal bits are wrongly set up or you missing the right bits of it [18:24] `sudo apt update` [18:24] WeeBey: instead of chasing a newer gnome, best to investigate the root of your problem [18:24] lotuspsychje, I have been trying for days. [18:24] WeeBey, yes, but the function completely different (and require different dependencies and config settings)+ [18:25] I deleted dconf user, tried a new user account, etc. [18:25] what ogra just stated seems a sane approach [18:25] Is the default firefox installation snap? [18:25] yes [18:26] is the telegram client you use a snap or did you pick to install the archive version ? [18:26] chrome indeed is not a snap (unless google changed that recently 🙂 ) [18:26] It's a snap; although I haven't been saving files from it. The URL for that first GTK thread was the thread that led me to discover different versions of this issue. [18:26] ogra: still not a snap, i just installed a day or 2 ago [18:26] ogra, I get it with Brave. [18:28] WeeBey: did you mess with your system anyhow after your fresh install? [18:28] lotuspsychje, I mean. I used it. Didn't mess with it, I don't think. [18:28] did you install anything special? [18:28] well, where does the xfce come from you just switched to above ? [18:29] lotuspsychje, but from the GTK site, it seems there's a lot of people with this issue in the last few days. [18:29] ogra, I had it before on 21.10 [18:29] Didn't use. But also didn't have an issue with save files. [18:29] so your "fresh install" wasnt one ? [18:29] lol [18:29] I never said I had a fresh install. [18:29] a frankenxubuntu upgrade to jammmy? [18:30] Ok, it's my fault and that's why it also happens on Arch? It's a GTK 42 issue because of how window handling is done (changed). Not sure why it happens on some systems and not others. [18:31] Gnome* 42 [18:31] WeeBey: try a real fresh install and see if you can reproduce [18:32] lotuspsychje, that would work for testing. But that would take quite some time and I don't think I can deal with the downtime of moving a mountain of my files right now. I wish I had more time and I would re-install everything from scratch. [18:33] https://gitlab.gnome.org/search?project_id=665&scope=issues&search=save+file === hackerman5 is now known as hackerman [18:33] it would be nice to the volunteers next time, you state you running a mixed system in the front of your question WeeBey [18:33] The last 4 posts describe what I am seeing as well. [18:35] lotuspsychje, If I knew something is important to state, I would state it. I don't mean to omit to frustrate people. And I also come here to try to help if I can even if my experience is limited. [18:36] I had xfce sitting for months with no issue before. [18:36] So it didn't stand out as a possible red flag [18:38] From gnome.org thread: "The gtk4 package in Arch Linux has been updated to 4.6.3 and now contains the fix. Upgrade your system with sudo pacman -Syu and reboot" [18:39] This is why I was asking about possibly updating my own environment to something that is not yet available through regular "apt update & upgrade" [18:39] WeeBey: I would suggest a fresh install at this point or keep it and use it to present to the gnome team for bug fixing [18:40] leftyfb, I think the fix will come whenever the next version of the package is released for 22.04; it's just annoying to be trying to save files 4 times in the meantime. [18:41] WeeBey: I don't think there will be any sort of fix for this case. It sounds pretty your specific to your environment regardless of the reports you see on the gnome forum [18:41] WeeBey, if really that many people would see the issue there would be an outcry and some trending bug on launchpad .... i'm pretty sure there are already some million users on the official 22.04 [18:41] ogra, good point. I will look on launchpad as well. [18:42] million? [18:42] wow. [18:43] WeeBey: if I had to guess, it's some issue with existing mixed environment you had and then upgraded. If there were to be a fix released, it would probably be in the upgrade process and how to deal with the dual environments as part of the upgrade process and won't actually fix anything after the fact [18:44] i got an xdg bug, but only affects browsers [18:44] leftyfb, I'll definitely try removing xfce [18:44] bug #1969821 [18:44] Bug 1969821 in xdg-desktop-portal-gnome (Ubuntu) "File uploading sort by modified makes the window crash in browsers" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1969821 [18:44] yeah ... [18:45]