| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: I have to go out for a bit... but I need to understand your very short bash script you added: autojacj-start | 02:02 |
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| OvenWerks | *autojack-start | 02:02 |
| OvenWerks | Seeing as convert-studio-controls is gone, is it still needed? or does that part need to be removed? or? | 02:03 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Hang on while I switch gears and refresh my own memory. | 02:04 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: maybe I need to be using /usr/bin/systemctl --user restart pulseaudio || true rather than pulseaudio -k | 02:04 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Removing the convert-studio-controls line is good, but the rest is probably still needed. | 02:05 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Yes, see the comments I made. | 02:05 |
| OvenWerks | do note that it will no longer be run by systemd | 02:05 |
| Eickmeyer | in the script. | 02:05 |
| OvenWerks | but from /etc/xdg/autostart | 02:05 |
| Eickmeyer | Ubuntu is running pulseaudio via systemd now. | 02:06 |
| Eickmeyer | As is Fedora, and most likely Arch. | 02:06 |
| Eickmeyer | So, pulseaudio -k is actually deprecated. | 02:07 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: ^ | 02:07 |
| OvenWerks | I know that bit. but when we start autojack in the same manner it seems many other system side users end up starting autojack as well. | 02:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, we do know that pulseaudio has to restart after autojack starts. | 02:08 |
| Eickmeyer | So, no matter which method, it's still going to have to kick pulseaudio via systemctl --user restart pulseaudio | 02:09 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: I think they have fixed that.... at least pulseaudio -k does work. I think maybe pulseaudio doesn't respawn itself but systemd does | 16:49 |
| OvenWerks | however the systemctl method is probably still better. | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Yeah, systemctl doesn't kill systemd, it basically tells systemd to restart pulseaudio at the user level. Killing/restarting systemd itself is impossible (oversimplified, but yeah). | 16:51 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: So if I add/change to the systemctl method right in autojack we can remove autojack-start? | 16:52 |
| Eickmeyer | I think so, yes. | 16:52 |
| Eickmeyer | It was just a wrapper to be a workaround basicallly. | 16:52 |
| Eickmeyer | Initially, it was a patch. | 16:53 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: yeah, I am not talking systemd, but the systemd pulseaudio.service already does a respawn if PA goes missing | 16:53 |
| OvenWerks | That is what I was relying on | 16:53 |
| Eickmeyer | Right, but systemctl --user restart is still safer than systemctl --user stop. | 16:54 |
| OvenWerks | however, it is possible that other distros don't | 16:54 |
| Eickmeyer | Better to be paranoid than rely on pulseaudio.service to do that when it might not. | 16:54 |
| OvenWerks | I am still talking about pulseaudio -k, systemctl --user stop would tell systemd not to restart | 16:55 |
| OvenWerks | pulseaudio -k just tells PA to exit | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer | Right, systemctl --user stop would tell it not to restart, systemctl --user restart would tell it to restart. pulseaudio -k may or may not restart depending on how the system was set up, which might not have the desired effect. | 16:56 |
| Eickmeyer | Since we *want* it to restart, systemctl --user restart is the safer method. | 16:56 |
| OvenWerks | So if I change to systemctl --user restart That would also remove the last thing that would interfere with cadence | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh! Good point! | 16:57 |
| OvenWerks | or allow cadence to interfere with contrtols | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Still, having the two co-installed is still a bad idea. | 16:58 |
| OvenWerks | That is true, but at least simply removing cadence would work. Or even simply not using the two at the same time. | 16:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I just worry about stuff in ~/.pulse | 16:59 |
| OvenWerks | user beware ;) | 16:59 |
| Eickmeyer | True. | 16:59 |
| OvenWerks | That is totally a problem with cadence | 17:00 |
| OvenWerks | Ok, I will switch things over. I think it is safe to assume anyone using controls is also using pulse and any system using pulse is using systemd | 17:08 |
| OvenWerks | (except Fons?) | 17:08 |
| OvenWerks | (actually Fons uses jackd not jackdbus or jackd2) | 17:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I think one of our minimum requirements at this point is jackd2 for good reason. | 17:26 |
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