[01:02] <Caio> Has anyone played the game Nethack?
[01:22] <arktvrvs> caioxg? never heard of it
[01:22] <arktvrvs> i jest. but no never pplayed it
[01:33] <Caio> It's a roguelike, with classic ASCII graphics. Seems like fun
[02:01] <Caio> But I can't use some commands because X11 doesn't see the Alt key as modifier for a command
[02:14] <arktvrvs> might be your window manager grabbing it
[02:15] <arktvrvs> menu > settings > window manager tweaks
[02:15] <arktvrvs> > accessibility > change it
[02:15] <arktvrvs> see if that helps
[02:21] <Caio> Thank you for your input! I have changed the key, though, to 'None', but Alt continues grabbing the window. I wonder why
[02:33] <arktvrvs> maybe try terminal > preferences > advanced and disable menu shortcuts or something?
[02:34] <arktvrvs> OR
[02:34] <arktvrvs> hmm no that is weird
[02:34] <arktvrvs> maybe you have to restart x? if those two things dont work i dunno
[02:44] <Caio> Alt no longer access the menus. Still, the game doesn't recognise alt as a modifier
[02:45] <arktvrvs> can you try escape? or does it just exit
[02:46] <arktvrvs> theres an xterm option altSendsEscape but the xfce terminal i dont think has it
[02:46] <arktvrvs> and i dont know enough about terminals to know how to work around it
[02:48] <Caio> It's okay
[02:48] <Caio> Thank you
[02:57] <Caio> Goodbye
[03:34] <xu-irc32w> I have CloudReady Chrome OsFlex (12 gpt partitions) running on HP 14 with MrChromebox UEFI Bios. I have also installed Xubuntu 22.04 independently and it runs fine.  There is enough disk space for installing both OsFlex and and Xubuntu.  Is it possible to add Xbuntu to run in a dual boot mode into the existing OsFlex?
[03:41] <jayjay> hi!
[03:41] <xu-irc32w> hi'
[03:43] <jayjay> these are my first messages on irc
[03:43] <jayjay> loving it
[03:43] <xu-irc32w> I have not been on and irc chat for a very long time, perhaps 15 years... A bit rusty.  Anybody here with multi boot experience with Chromium Os?
[09:41] <bodiccea> I wonder why xubuntu-desktop,update-manager, gufw, atril (20 packages total, I don't have flatpak nor snap installed), depends on xdg-desktop-portal. Just stupid lazy/useless dependency, or do I miss something ?
[09:43] <Unit193> webkitgtk pulls that in.
[09:44] <bodiccea> This is just not normal...
[09:52] <bodiccea> I mean, this is what I call a lazy dependency.
[09:57] <Unit193> Well, webkit stuff will fail to actually launch without it unless you use an env var.
[10:05] <bodiccea> Well, maybe, but it just breaks "df", by not having implemented statfs() for /run/user/1000/doc filesystem. This is how a single/simple command that people use every day does not work anymore.
[10:58] <NeoCortex4> after upgrading to 22.04 I had to set intel_idle.max_cstate=4 as Kernelparamter in the grub.cfg otherwise m screen keeps flickering like crazy, is that a known issue?
[14:00] <DarkTrick> I'm using XUbuntu within Parallels Desktop (VM) on a mac. Problem: scrolling using two fingers on the touchpad is way too fast. I tried x stackoverflow threads and tried fiddeling with xinput, but I can't get it to go slower (only faster). Is there any trick to make scrolling go slower?
[14:02] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: https://kb.parallels.com/en/6909 ?
[14:08] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, hm, didn't help
[14:09] <DarkTrick> I event changed the mac scrolling speed there without success
[14:09] <DarkTrick> (what is "inertia scrolling" btw? :D) 
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> https://io.bikegremlin.com/11541/linux-mouse-scroll-speed/
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: no clue, you've got the Mac :)
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: you do have the Parallel Tools installed?
[14:10] <DarkTrick> ah, I think without the "inertia scrolling" it got a tiny bit better (much better control now)
[14:11] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, tools are installed
[14:11] <pmjdebruijn> but fundamentally this is a question for Parallels, not as much as
[14:11] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, tried that. but it's already at "1" (slowest).
[14:12] <DarkTrick> The tool itself works. When I set it to 2 it's basically like pushing the "end" key on the keyboard .D
[14:12] <DarkTrick> :D
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> you really should ask Parallels about this
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> you can stick around and see if anybody else comes up with anything though
[14:14] <DarkTrick> But shouldn't there also be a ubuntu-based tool?
[14:15] <DarkTrick> I basically had a similar problem with a real hardware mouse, that I eventually fixed by actually buying a new mouse
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> why should there be something in uxubuntu if that's not where the problem is
[14:16] <DarkTrick> xorg?
[14:16] <pmjdebruijn> most likely Parallels is botching something
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> btw, have you tried with Parallels Tools btw?
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> without*
[14:18] <DarkTrick> I would expect the OS to provide some scroll sensitivity setting like on windows
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: it does, and you've set it to lowest
[14:19] <DarkTrick> basically, yes. Same problem
[14:20] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput#Mouse_wheel_scrolling_speed_scaling
[14:20] <pmjdebruijn> but at this point, I'm just googling for you
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> most stuff is concerned with making it faster, not slower
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> too fast seems to be fairly parallels specific
[14:23] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, I will dig around some more
[14:23] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, thank you very much for your quick help!
[14:24] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, at least I got it a little better by turning off inertia scrolling! :)
[14:25] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: keep in mind, given that's you're probably paying Parallels, why not get your moneys worth by asking them about it :)
[14:28] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, still trial period
[14:29] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, trying to figure out how to turn my mac into an actually usable computer :D
[14:31] <udzguru> hi. since the update to 22.04 my firefox takes 5 minutes instead of 5 seconds to start. does anyone have an idea? 
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> it's a snap
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> as opposed to a deb
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: presumably you still have a harddisk as opposed to an SSD?
[14:33] <udzguru> no it's an SSD
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> even on a highend NVme drive it still takes 6-7 seconds, which is bizarre slow
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: it's the first start that's most painful
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> after that it's faster
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: old/lowend cpu?
[14:34] <udzguru> it takes 5 minutes. every time after a boot. 
[14:34] <udzguru> core i5 8th gen ... so no
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> that's unexpectedly slow
[14:34] <udzguru> 16gb ram
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> 8th is old... but should be fast enough
[14:35] <udzguru> before the upgrade it took like 5 seconds
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> yeah that's the Deb
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> I know
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not amused by it either
[14:35] <NeoCortex4> i3 7th gen here takes about two seconds to open
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> https://snapcraft.io/docs/debuging-startup-performance
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> NeoCortex4: on first start?
[14:35] <udzguru> 5 sec vs 5 min ... that feels like i am using a pocket calculator and not an i5 with 16gb of ram ;) 
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> NeoCortex4: on my i9 with NVMe it takes like ~6-7sec
[14:36] <NeoCortex4> pmjdebruijn nah, first start (ever) took about 10 seconds
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> huh? 
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> oh 10 seems plausible yes
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> but that's still tragicly slow for a primary application
[14:37] <NeoCortex4> yeah thats true, cant we kick out the snap and install firefox manually?
[14:37] <NeoCortex4> nevrer looked into it since im using chrome
[14:37] <udzguru> i heard that installing the deb instead of the snap helps.
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> there's a ppa, but that gets uninstalled, unless you do some tricks
[14:38] <NeoCortex4> udzguru im pretty sure that will help
[14:38] <udzguru> jeah you need to do repo-pinning 
[14:38] <udzguru> annoying af 
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: I would be really interesting to get that performence trace from you though
[14:39] <udzguru> i can try ... gimme a sec (or some minutes? :P)
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> yeah np
[14:39] <NeoCortex4> how do you do a ptrace?
[14:40] <udzguru> snap run --trace-exec firefox according to the url above
[14:41] <udzguru> (the generated trace is from a "second start" then. so no "first slow start")
[14:42] <udzguru> do you have a preferred pastebin? 
[14:42] <pmjdebruijn> no
[14:42] <pmjdebruijn> but rebooting for the first start would be more interesting though
[14:43] <udzguru> well .. then let me quickly reboot ;) 
[14:46] <udzguru> so ... reboot done. starting firefox with snap run --trace-exec now
[14:46] <NeoCortex4> just for some comparison: https://pastebin.com/hyDnzmt8
[14:47] <udzguru> not sure why but does this really need the password in the commandline? 
[14:48] <NeoCortex4> well it asked me.... i typed it in
[14:48] <NeoCortex4> btw this is on intel i3 gen7  samsung nvme
[14:50] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: maybe you'
[14:50] <pmjdebruijn> re extreme slowdown is caused by bad name resolving or something along those lines
[14:51] <udzguru> did you close firefox after the call? 
[14:51] <udzguru> because I don't get those times
[14:51] <udzguru> in your log
[14:53] <udzguru> ah ok ... now i closed firefox and the times appeared
[14:53] <udzguru> one moment ... need to start it again ... but the times are muuuuuuuch slower than with NeoCortex4 
[14:55] <udzguru> https://home.schweiberger.org/paste/?7e6237fec2b44b20#BycHdknUxkYWFA3DfHgNyuXU3wHCGnp22evCbg443NqD
[14:55] <udzguru> heres my log
[14:55] <udzguru> total time: 272 seconds
[14:56] <NeoCortex4> uff
[14:56] <udzguru> jeah ... starting firefox is a REAL pain since the update
[14:57] <NeoCortex4> i have no idea what that could be. i say, get rid of the snap and get the ppa back
[14:57] <udzguru> the first lines irritate me ... where it complains about something with libreoffice not being accessible 
[14:58] <udzguru> and then theres the flatpak line that is weird as well
[14:58] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: /snap is on your SSD as well?
[14:59] <udzguru> there is no harddrive in this pc
[14:59] <udzguru> just SSD
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> or is that the mount in your homedir
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: you might want to try that again in a clean homedir, so just create a new user, and try this again
[15:00] <udzguru> ok. can do that.
[15:01] <udzguru> also reboot? or is changing user enough? 
[15:03] <udzguru> and does the user need to be sudoer? as you need to enter the password when doing the log? 
[15:09] <udzguru> ok ... that was waaaaay quicker
[15:10] <udzguru> https://home.schweiberger.org/paste/?ce9987b3047dc727#8UDEFDc83qBpQD1CsYPCaxcWda1drA9BDzG2rLyfneU5
[20:46] <meep> yo mama
[21:28] <siix> hey folks. trying to fix my dual-boot problems between xubu 22.04 and win 10. initially the xubu installer gave me a windows 10 entry that didn't work (can't find command "drivemap"), so i ran update-grub again and now os-prober isn't finding windows 10 at all
[21:29] <siix> windows is on another drive and it is *not* showing up in efibootmgr .. honestly i'm not sure what that indicates and why the installer found it but update-grub doesn't
[21:30] <siix> i have added GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to grub's default config and i see from the output that the prober is running