| matsaman | and the other app doesn't recognize it? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| matsaman | hum, maybe map it to one of the F# keys you don't actually have | 00:00 |
| matsaman | F13, F14, etc. | 00:00 |
| matsaman | if you can remap it at all, I'm sure you'll be able to find something that works | 00:00 |
| cluelessperson | I'm fine with that | 00:00 |
| cluelessperson | how do I remap it to not be a media key? | 00:01 |
| matsaman | most likely the same way you remap any key, done that before? | 00:02 |
| conscious | Is this a tech help chat | 00:13 |
| conscious | color test | 00:13 |
| sarnold | conscious: yeah, for ubuntu stuff | 00:14 |
| matsaman | conscious: gray | 00:15 |
| conscious | ty | 00:15 |
| conscious | In times past I would just plug a USB drive into my Linuxmint 23 UNA, I would format it EXT4 and it was good to go. I got a 128g 3.0 USB drive plugged it in to do same, and it just dissapears from the directory, like it is not there. I look at the disk utility and it sees it, but it does not seem to be mounted. I go through the steps using the terminal, check if mounted, NO, create mount point and mount it and I end up with the same results. I get t | 00:16 |
| conscious | he most favorable result by letting Windows format it, and the Ubuntu system sees it, like it is all good, until I format it EXT4. Never had any problems with 16g and 32g thumb drives. Has anyone ever seen this and found a solution? | 00:16 |
| oerheks | chown that ext4 to your user ? | 00:18 |
| oerheks | do you have write access as root? | 00:19 |
| conscious | I have not seen any ext4 acknowledged, I have seen sdc. I will look over this write access as root, moment. | 00:25 |
| conscious | One of the reasons I chose Ubuntu because it would mount anything. It is interesting that this 128g thumbdrive is the first thing I have seen it not mount. I shall study your key words. | 00:28 |
| conscious | I wonder, the disk says...... dev/sdd unallocated space, should I do this? sudo chown -R my_user:my_group /media/my_user/my_usb_key/ | 00:42 |
| sarnold | I think "unallocated space" means there's space on the disk that isn't located inside any of the partitinos | 00:43 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: So the results are in.. I have: https://pastebin.com/EuLHCTBs (links to images at the bottom). Sorry for the formatting. Pastebin destroyed it. | 00:45 |
| conscious | I will hard format the 128g thumb drive, I have learned a lot | 00:47 |
| sarnold | conscious: what does "hard format" mean? | 00:48 |
| conscious | the disk utility claims it will slowly over write everything with zeros | 00:48 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: thats when you place it on the floor and smash it with a hammer :p | 00:49 |
| sarnold | blahboybaz: lol | 00:49 |
| conscious | lol, live and learn | 00:49 |
| sarnold | conscious: ah, interesting. I wonder how many usb drives will throw away all those zeros anyway.. | 00:49 |
| sarnold | blahboybaz: well sigh, none of those sound like the symptoms you have when you close/open the lid :( | 00:57 |
| oerheks | sarnold, maybe nvidia drivers, there were lots of issues with that | 01:05 |
| oerheks | !info laptop-mode-tools | 01:05 |
| ubottu | laptop-mode-tools (1.74-1.1, jammy): Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status. In component universe, is optional. Built by laptop-mode-tools. Size 87 kB / 408 kB | 01:05 |
| oerheks | power saving settings | 01:05 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: Except for 'systemctl suspend'. Although the problem did not present the sequence of events is correct. In other words.. if my problem were not there it would be that sequence of events as opposed to other behavior resulting from the OTHER commands | 01:06 |
| sarnold | blahboybaz: I wonder, execute that command by hand, close the lid, open the lid... success? | 01:06 |
| sarnold | oerheks: I wondered about that, but is the fix for that "don't suspend"? | 01:07 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: I will try | 01:07 |
| blahboybaz | oerheks: I will try | 01:07 |
| oerheks | some setting do not have direct effect without reboot, but worth a look | 01:08 |
| blahboybaz | oerheks: oh.. my mistake (nevermind) | 01:08 |
| blahboybaz | lol :) | 01:08 |
| mattf | I have a question about iptables: I want to forward 4557 to a container with ip $IP on loopback device ip 127.0.0.1, i have a very similar rule for tcp and i thought just changing the port, tcp to udp and the enp03 device to lo would work but it did not: sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i lo --dport 4557 -j DNAT --to-destination $IP:4557 | 01:27 |
| blahboybaz | results: https://pastebin.com/WUj8Ai6V | 01:47 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: ? ^ | 01:48 |
| blahboybaz | I can't figure it out. Two of the test are identical but with different results (one success one failure). Other tests don't seem to indicate anything meaningful. | 01:49 |
| blahboybaz | Maybe its related to having too much stuff running (those tests were done with very little resources being used) | 01:49 |
| sarnold | blahboybaz: are there any messages in dmesg? | 01:50 |
| sarnold | or journalctl? | 01:50 |
| sarnold | (maybe you'll need to ssh in to view these..) | 01:50 |
| blahboybaz | Ill look | 01:50 |
| blahboybaz | I have access physical access to the machine (its my lappy with me :). I don't have the equipment to ssh in while this (lappy) is suspended. | 01:51 |
| sarnold | aww :( that makes troubleshooting things that bust the local system kind of hard :( | 01:52 |
| blahboybaz | sarnold: Yeah, idk.. theres a disgusting amount of output for both those commands. The last lind of dmesg though was "hp_wmi: bad event status 0x5" | 02:09 |
| blahboybaz | Its whatevs I guess. I can't spend any more time on it so I guess I'll have to live with it (till I get sick of it the next time or some magical update gets pulled in that fixes it for me) | 02:10 |
| blahboybaz | Really appreciate your help | 02:11 |
| Rockwood | hi | 02:50 |
| locrian9 | Rockwood: Hi | 02:50 |
| === mosullivan93[m] is now known as mosullivan93 | ||
| Rockwood | hi | 03:02 |
| Rockwood | what is the deference in ubuntu minimized installation and in normal installation of ubuntu server? | 03:04 |
| Rockwood | i am installing server for development envirnoment | 03:06 |
| Rockwood | help me please | 03:06 |
| oerheks | ubuntu minimal gives a gnome desktop, server does not have a gui. | 03:08 |
| Rockwood | i don't want gui | 03:08 |
| oerheks | oke, then have fun. | 03:09 |
| Rockwood | should i go without minimized version | 03:09 |
| Rockwood | ? | 03:09 |
| oerheks | if you do want a desktop, yes | 03:10 |
| enigma9o7[m] | Nobody knows what's best for you, but if you don't want gui, may as well start with ubuntu server. | 03:10 |
| enigma9o7[m] | You can then add what you need. | 03:10 |
| Rockwood | ok | 03:10 |
| Rockwood | thanks | 03:10 |
| enigma9o7[m] | As long as you have interent, it is very easy to install stuff from repositories later, which you'll probably discover soon if this is your first time playing with linux/ubuntu. | 03:11 |
| Rockwood | openssh server | 03:14 |
| tstirrat | i upgraded to 22, which has been mostly all right except that i don't like the behavior where when i switch workspaces (ctrl + alt + right arrow) the switcher stays open after i release the keys | 03:15 |
| tstirrat | is there a setting for that somewhere? | 03:15 |
| oerheks | tons of howto' s on the internet | 03:15 |
| oerheks | https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openssh | 03:15 |
| Rockwood | can i configure its later? | 03:16 |
| Rockwood | after installation | 03:16 |
| Rockwood | means addition is possible | 03:16 |
| enigma9o7[m] | hmmm gnome isnt muhc for settings tstirrat, id unno the answer but I bet no | 03:16 |
| enigma9o7[m] | Yes rockwood, you can configure openssh later. | 03:17 |
| Rockwood | its installation kernel | 03:17 |
| mihael | Anyone knows of a good har analyzer (cli/terminal based)? | 03:17 |
| biapy- | Hi, i'm plaggued by a blinking crossed circle overlay at the bottom of my screen in a Ubuntu Jammy fresh install. Does someknow where i can look to find logs on what cause this ? | 03:53 |
| bobdobbs | what should the permissions of the directories within /var/lib/mysql be? | 04:06 |
| === Guest2593 is now known as Gambino | ||
| biapy- | bobdobbs, sudo chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql | 04:19 |
| biapy- | bobdobbs, for permissions, its mainly drwx------ for databases directories, and rw-rw---- for files (but this is only an indication). | 04:20 |
| bobdobbs | thanks | 04:21 |
| bobdobbs | I'm asking cos I migrated databases from one hard drive to another. At the moment the server can't access the data in the databases. So I'm trying to figure out why that might be happening. I figured perms would be a good place to start | 04:22 |
| biapy- | bobdobbs, sudo -u 'mysql' ls /var/lib/mysql | 04:23 |
| biapy- | bobdobbs, to check if it is a permissions issue | 04:23 |
| bobdobbs | oh wow. that's a neat trick. | 04:23 |
| bobdobbs | biapy-: yeah, if I do that, I get the output of 'ls' as expected. | 04:25 |
| biapy- | bobdobbs, sorry, wild ctrl w. eitherway i must go. You should check mysql server logs for more info on the issue. | 04:25 |
| bobdobbs | Will do. Thanks biapy- :) | 04:25 |
| biapy- | bobdobbs, i wish to quickly solve the issue , have good day / night | 04:25 |
| === Gambino is now known as Guest5887 | ||
| dakslm | Hello, I'm trying to verify the signature of the ubuntu iso the latest version (22.04 desktop amd64), I downloaded the files from https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ and I used the steps that are written at: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#4-retrieve-the-correct-signature-key but still get a BAD signature. Why ? | 06:06 |
| shadow255 | dakslm: assuming you followed the directions correctly, you have a file that isn't exactly what it should be | 06:09 |
| dakslm | The really weird thing is that the sha256sum is correct so the file is exactly what it should be isn't it ? | 06:15 |
| shadow255 | dakslm: which step produced the bad result? (you linked to step 4) | 06:21 |
| dakslm | Oh sorry the step that produced the bad result was the step 5 not step 4 (https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#5-verify-the-sha256-checksum) | 06:23 |
| shadow255 | If you can't verify the SHA256 checksum itself, you should not trust it for verifying the ISO | 06:24 |
| pagios | morning, i have just been notified that one of the servers had very high scpu usage yesterday , is there a way to check the cpu log histories? which files would be relevant noting that server is running apache and nothing is really syspicious there... | 06:36 |
| dakslm | @shadow255 Oh ok, I just discovered that, after I have followed the step to verify the debian ISO, it gives me a BAD signature too. I try to verify another signature of an archive from Mozilla and it output GOOD signature (I don' t need to enter the public key). So the problem is with the step 4 I guess (the problem is probably with the public | 06:42 |
| dakslm | key I think) | 06:42 |
| noobaroo | What is the difference between these two links? | 06:47 |
| noobaroo | https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-focal.git/ | 06:47 |
| noobaroo | https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/focal | 06:47 |
| noobaroo | I'm trying to download the Ubuntu patched kernel sources. Which one should I download? | 06:48 |
| xamboni | Ubuntu no longer boots for me. It hangs pretty quickly. I would like to build the exact kernel image with more verbosity but I am having a lot of issues. Is there a way I can build the 5.13.0-41 image? I attempted to clone and build the linux repo with the last working config but it throws a processor exception on reset. | 06:58 |
| === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 | ||
| noobaroo | Hey, we're trying to do almost the same thing. I'm waiting for an answer myself. | 07:00 |
| noobaroo | I'm a little worried because Git is telling me this | 07:00 |
| noobaroo | Receiving objects: 4% (387613/8392928), 200.21 MiB | 377.00 KiB/s | 07:00 |
| noobaroo | 200MB and only 4% done is a bit concerning to me.... I'm a little scared I will end up with a 10GB folder | 07:01 |
| noobaroo | Are you using git.launchpad.net or kernel.ubuntu.com? | 07:02 |
| xamboni | noobaroo: I just joined. Are you talking with someone other than me? | 07:03 |
| noobaroo | I'm talking to you xamboni. I joined shortly before you did, and I am trying to download the Ubuntu patched kernel sources. Waiting for an answer. So far, you are the only one active. | 07:04 |
| xamboni | noobaroo: What hardware are you working with? | 07:05 |
| xamboni | noobaroo: I am using the upstreamed linux repo. I am not familiar with the links you sent but thank you. Looking into them now. | 07:07 |
| noobaroo | I wouldn't be able to recommend them due to the pecularities I'm currently facing. The protocol for downloading Ubuntu kernel sources isn't very straightforward, IMO. | 07:08 |
| noobaroo | But, ideally if someone can chime in to confirm what the proper protocol is, Ubuntu patched kernel should be preferred over Vanilla... IMO. Using IMO quite a lot. LOL. | 07:10 |
| xamboni | Im cloning focal now. Thank you for the information. | 07:11 |
| noobaroo | 525MB now and 15% complete. For me. :/ Something is not right man. | 07:11 |
| noobaroo | Stopped it at: ^Cceiving objects: 19% (1659287/8392928), 627.93 MiB | 486.00 KiB/s | 07:15 |
| xamboni | Noobaroo: My clone is going pretty quickly. | 07:15 |
| noobaroo | what URL did you clone? | 07:17 |
| noobaroo | @xamboni | 07:17 |
| xamboni | This one is on their website: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/focal | 07:17 |
| xamboni | I've never used a kernel from them so not sure I am doing this correctly. | 07:18 |
| noobaroo | @xamboni, what size is it? its possible you just have faster internet than me. 486KB/s isn't impressive | 07:25 |
| masber | how can I set static ip in ubuntu 20.04 through command line? | 07:26 |
| masber | I see netplan is configured to rely on NetworkManager so, where are thenetwork manager config files? | 07:27 |
| mosullivan93 | You'll have to use `nmcli` not sure what the correct commands are | 07:28 |
| xamboni | Unfortunately I am building now so size will be messed up. | 07:29 |
| noobaroo | @xamboni, I'm going to assume you just have faster internet then. That's the same link I was using. | 07:30 |
| noobaroo | Most people do have faster internet than 486KB/s. It's pretty difficult to get slower than that, without reverting to Dial-Up protocol. | 07:31 |
| xamboni | Is that B or b for your speed? | 07:31 |
| noobaroo | Still, the download size is ridiculously huge. I guess maybe I'm just used to downloading kernel sources in compressed tarballs | 07:33 |
| noobaroo | B | 07:33 |
| xamboni | That isn't a horrible speed I can't imagine mine was too much faster. | 07:33 |
| xamboni | There are three clone links for that source. | 07:34 |
| noobaroo | You can't imagine your internet is faster than 4 Mbps? Lol. | 07:34 |
| xamboni | 486 kBps is 3.8 Mbps | 07:36 |
| noobaroo | I think 20Mbps is pretty standard nowadays. Possibly even below standard. My sister has 1Gbps. My aunt has 50Mbps. My other sister has 100Mbps. They are the only 3 relatives that I've visited anytime recently | 07:36 |
| xamboni | Ah right sorry I misread your message. | 07:36 |
| noobaroo | All good. I'm just going to look for a compressed tarball somewhere. | 07:37 |
| xamboni | I can compress the source for you if you want. | 07:37 |
| noobaroo | xamboni, sure, thanks! | 08:04 |
| dhruvmadhav | hi | 08:05 |
| noobaroo | you're not a hacker with malicious intentions are you ? | 08:05 |
| dhruvmadhav | no iam a 9 year old | 08:05 |
| dhruvmadhav | hello | 08:06 |
| fruity_tomatoy | hi | 08:09 |
| === vxwarlock is now known as vx_picardo | ||
| zamba | loading initial ramdisk | 08:40 |
| zamba | error file ... not found | 08:40 |
| zamba | what do i do? | 08:40 |
| EriC^^ | zamba: reinstall kernel/initrd | 08:43 |
| zamba | EriC^^: how do i do that? | 08:43 |
| zamba | EriC^^: boot live iso?= | 08:43 |
| EriC^^ | zamba: try in grub advanced > choose older kernel | 08:43 |
| EriC^^ | there should be another one | 08:43 |
| zamba | same error on everyone | 08:44 |
| zamba | error: file /initrd.img-blsbalba not found | 08:44 |
| zamba | it seems like /boot is gone..? | 08:44 |
| zamba | EriC^^: live iso? | 08:45 |
| zamba | EriC^^: and if so, which iso should i be using? | 08:46 |
| zamba | EriC^^: you around? | 08:48 |
| zamba | i have 40 minutes left of the maint window.... | 08:49 |
| mosullivan93 | zamba: What OS? Server 20.04? | 08:51 |
| zamba | mosullivan93: 18.04 | 08:52 |
| zamba | mosullivan93: but i was in the process of upgrading to 20.04 | 08:52 |
| EriC^^ | zamba: /boot should still be there since you're getting grub, boot a live usb to see what's the situation | 08:52 |
| zamba | EriC^^: doing it now.. but why is the live cds so extremely slow to boot | 08:52 |
| zamba | ? | 08:53 |
| zamba | which one do you recommend? | 08:53 |
| EriC^^ | press ctrl+c if it's doing the filesystem check to skip | 08:53 |
| EriC^^ | any ubuntu live usb will work | 08:53 |
| zamba | ok, i uave mounted the /boot | 08:54 |
| zamba | no initrd in there | 08:54 |
| zamba | root is also lvm | 08:55 |
| zamba | ok, i found that in /dev/mapper | 08:55 |
| zamba | but please.. help me.. what do i need to do? | 08:56 |
| zamba | i have boot in /dev/sda1 | 08:56 |
| zamba | and root is in /dev/mapper/... | 08:56 |
| zamba | i have mounted root into /mnt/root | 08:56 |
| zamba | should i then mount boot into /mnt/root/boot=? | 08:56 |
| zamba | EriC^^? mosullivan93? | 08:57 |
| zamba | oh man :) | 08:59 |
| zamba | update-initramfs... seems to be doing something | 08:59 |
| zamba | yeah, got it back up again | 09:00 |
| mosullivan93 | Yea, I'm not entirely sure to be honest. This looks like it might be relevant: https://askubuntu.com/a/696653 | 09:01 |
| EriC^ | zamba: also run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' if the update was interrupted | 09:01 |
| EriC^ | and update-initramfs -c -k all to renew all initrd | 09:02 |
| zamba | EriC^: yeah, i figured that out :) | 09:04 |
| EriC^ | :) | 09:04 |
| zamba | but what is really the permanent fix for the /boot? | 09:06 |
| zamba | i feel i'm constantly battling over a full /boot | 09:06 |
| EriC^ | zamba: how large is it? try df -h /boot | 09:10 |
| zamba | /dev/sda1 236M 197M 28M 88% /boot | 09:10 |
| EriC^ | kinda small | 09:11 |
| zamba | yeah, but this is what the installer recommends | 09:11 |
| EriC^ | zamba: what's your partition table look like? 'sudo parted -ls' | 09:12 |
| mosullivan93 | brb | 09:13 |
| wanghuan | helo | 09:17 |
| wanghuan | hello | 09:18 |
| wanghuan | file:///home/wanghuan/version.txt | 09:19 |
| zamba | EriC^: https://bpa.st/4XJA | 09:19 |
| wanghuan | 这是个局域网聊天吗 | 09:20 |
| EriC^ | zamba: i guess you have to just keep an eye on /boot and keep running sudo apt-get autoremove --purge to remove the extra kernels | 09:20 |
| EriC^ | zamba: though since it's a vm, you could if you wanted make the disk slightly bigger, and make another partition at the end, and copy /boot over and change the uuid in fstab | 09:22 |
| J_Darnley | What does "APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status" mean in the output of "apt show -a PKGNAME" ? | 09:56 |
| mosullivan93 | J_Darnley: If I had to guess, I would assume it was a file installed manually rather than via an apt repository | 10:14 |
| mosullivan93 | e.g. zoom | 10:15 |
| J_Darnley | mosullivan93: do you mean from a deb package file? | 10:16 |
| mosullivan93 | Yea, but that's just a guess. I haven't been able to find a concrete answer myself. | 10:21 |
| J_Darnley | thanks | 10:21 |
| J_Darnley | I'll stick around in case anyone else has something to add to my question. | 10:27 |
| fruity_tomatoy | https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/dpkg.1.html | 10:31 |
| fruity_tomatoy | J_Darnley, ^ | 10:32 |
| J_Darnley | What is that supposed to tell me? | 10:34 |
| J_Darnley | ctrl-f "source" nothing | 10:34 |
| fruity_tomatoy | explains what /var/lib/dpkg/status is | 10:34 |
| transhumanist | so I have done some surgical removal of libraries (associated with poco) I forget the the ld command to update the linking of the libraries, anyone able to help? | 11:35 |
| transhumanist | some ld command or other | 11:35 |
| mosullivan93 | `sudo ldconfig`? | 11:36 |
| transhumanist | ah yes thanks | 11:36 |
| Kharec | o/ | 11:57 |
| mosullivan93 | Howdy | 11:58 |
| Kharec | fine and you ? | 11:58 |
| mosullivan93 | Well, thanks | 11:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:18 |
| Guest9113 | hi | 12:19 |
| Kharec | hi BluesKaj and Guest9113 o/ | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | hi Kharec | 12:20 |
| milek | hello | 12:21 |
| milek | any1 from eu? | 12:21 |
| milek | @everyone | 12:21 |
| Kharec | milek: you mean from europe ? | 12:22 |
| milek | yes | 12:22 |
| Kharec | yup, I'm in France | 12:22 |
| Maik | milek Kharec, please take the casual talk to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks in advance. :) | 12:28 |
| Kharec | Maik: sure, sorry :) | 12:29 |
| === Kristine_ is now known as Kristine | ||
| === Bocaneri is now known as Sauvin | ||
| Guest16 | i need some help | 14:04 |
| Guest16 | basically my machine is stuck on 19.04 which no longer receives any kind of updates, and I can't update it either because the repos are long gone and giving 404s | 14:04 |
| Guest16 | so are there any other options without the direct involvement of software updater or manual installation via an usb | 14:04 |
| leftyfb | !eolupgrade | Guest16 | 14:05 |
| ubottu | Guest16: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 14:05 |
| leftyfb | Guest16: to be honest though, you are 6 releases out of date, it's going to be a LOT easier, quicker and cleaner to just install 22.04 from scratch | 14:06 |
| Khepra | hello. I have switched a machine from debian bullseye to ubuntu 22.04. it has nvidia gpu. on ubuntu, resolution is like from 1990s, and the driver doesn't seem to be loaded, there's nothing about nvidia in dmesg save for the AA profile load. | 14:14 |
| Guest16 | leftyfb: it's kinda hard for me to find an empty usb rn | 14:15 |
| Khepra | there's nvidia related packaged installed I'm guessing the installer autodetected and did that | 14:15 |
| Guest16 | anyways thanks for the help | 14:15 |
| Khepra | went to check if there's anything I should apt install but there's a gazillion of nvidia packages and I'm completely lost now | 14:15 |
| Khepra | last time I needed nvidia on ubuntu was 18.04 and that was very straightforward | 14:16 |
| leftyfb | Khepra: https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ | 14:16 |
| leftyfb | Khepra: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-22-04 | 14:17 |
| leftyfb | Khepra: 1st and 2nd results on google for "ubuntu 22.04 nvidia" | 14:17 |
| Khepra | leftyfb: hrm, I see, installed but not selected. thanks. | 14:20 |
| WeeBey | After a couple of days of Wayland, I had to go back to X11. :-/ | 14:22 |
| gordonjcp | WeeBey: is there any advantage in Wayland? | 14:24 |
| WeeBey | gordonjcp, the only one was that the GTK filechooser bug doesn't exist. Aside from that, mostly downsides. | 14:24 |
| Khepra | the major advantage of wayland is security | 14:27 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: in what way? | 14:28 |
| Khepra | for starters individual application processes can't steal the input or rendering of another | 14:28 |
| Khepra | under xorg, any uid with access to the socket can read anything | 14:29 |
| Khepra | there's a whole talk about that by wayland/xorg develoepers somewhere on youtube, you can check it out | 14:29 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: that's a fairly niche problem | 14:29 |
| WeeBey | Khepra, sounds like maybe that's why the screenshot application would crash and I couldn't do screen receording with Kazaam | 14:30 |
| Khepra | gordonjcp: actually it's not really. compromised browsrs through javascript can keylog, steal other app window contents and more | 14:31 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: POCorGTFO | 14:31 |
| gordonjcp | as they say | 14:31 |
| Khepra | gordonjcp: google is your friend | 14:31 |
| Khepra | WeeBey: right, screen grabbing has been an issue under wayland for that matter | 14:31 |
| gordonjcp | aha, "do your own research", the last refuge of the charlatan | 14:31 |
| Khepra | I can do it for you but you'll have to pay for my time tho | 14:31 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: uh-huh | 14:31 |
| Khepra | seems you're a lazy ass and you want me to type all that up here on irc for you. sure. pay up | 14:32 |
| WeeBey | well, that escalated quickly. | 14:32 |
| WeeBey | lol | 14:32 |
| Khepra | anyhoo there's a whole bunch of talks by wayland devs on this new security model, so *shrug* | 14:32 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: a quick google suggests that if you deliberately create a browser with support for that, and deliberately modify X to allow that, and deliberately write an app that is susceptible to it, then you can get it to work | 14:32 |
| gordonjcp | so | 14:32 |
| gordonjcp | very very very unlikely | 14:32 |
| Khepra | you're free to believe whatever you want | 14:34 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: yup | 14:35 |
| gordonjcp | Khepra: and until someone actually shows me hard evidence, I don't believe in fanciful tales dreamed up by some stoner who reads too much 4chan | 14:37 |
| Khepra | gordonjcp: then stop reading 4chan and start googling for PoCs and talks by wayland devs | 14:40 |
| leftyfb | !ot | 14:40 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 14:40 |
| dragon_ | Are there any social networks downloadeable from package manager? | 14:55 |
| dragon_ | I am looking at Discord, and twitch | 14:56 |
| leftyfb | dragon_: there's a discord snap client. | 14:57 |
| dragon_ | what does snap mean? | 14:58 |
| leftyfb | dragon_: sudo snap install discord | 14:58 |
| dragon_ | oh | 14:59 |
| dragon_ | from terminal | 14:59 |
| arichard123 | dragon_: https://ubuntu.com/blog/whats-in-a-snap | 15:00 |
| leftyfb | dragon_: if you open the "Ubuntu Software" app on ubuntu desktop, you can search for "discord" and install it that way as wel | 15:01 |
| leftyfb | just like any other graphical application you install on ubuntu | 15:01 |
| dragon_ | I have lubuntu, muon manager, and could not find it | 15:02 |
| dragon_ | it might be there though | 15:02 |
| dragon_ | I have downloaded installer package from browser, but after a few upgrades it disappeared | 15:03 |
| leftyfb | dragon_: I would not recommend installing anything you download | 15:03 |
| WeeBey | I only install files that came with the magazine in the linux cdrom | 15:10 |
| WeeBey | :p | 15:10 |
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| dragon_ | WeeBey ? | 15:27 |
| Khepra | WeeBey: kids here are too young to know what you mean :) | 15:28 |
| dragon_ | so there is a linux magazine? | 15:37 |
| dragon_ | I have only seent the forum and irc channels | 15:37 |
| dragon_ | or rather, like Debian and ubuntu | 15:37 |
| WeeBey98 | dragon_, it was a joke. | 15:38 |
| WeeBey98 | For the O.G.s | 15:38 |
| dragon_ | ;- ) | 15:38 |
| WeeBey98 | But also, yes. there are magazines still. Probably. :D | 15:38 |
| Khepra | how does one graphically enable/disable interfaces for (firefox) snaps? | 15:47 |
| enigma9o7[m] | Linux format still exists, and comes with discs sometimes. | 15:49 |
| enigma9o7[m] | What do you mean khepra, what are interfaces, what are you trying to enable or disable? | 15:49 |
| Khepra | I found the Permissions button, which appeared after I clicked the Install button even though the snap was already installed....... But those permissions don't work. I disabled access to personal files and home folder, and yet the snap has access to them. | 15:52 |
| tomreyn | Khepra: have you filed a bug against this snap (if there is a way to do so)? | 16:20 |
| ogra | Khepra, personal-files is only used for access to ~/.mozilla, to import an older profile ... the hme nterface means FF itself does not access to your home files and will have to use the file picker interactively in any case | 16:21 |
| ogra | *home interface | 16:21 |
| tomreyn | misleading GUI element #965 | 16:22 |
| ogra | (home is kind of moot since xdg-desktop-portals exist) | 16:22 |
| ogra | tomreyn, yeah, the GUI integration is still poor ... but lots of fixes are in the pipe before 22.04.1 | 16:23 |
| leftyfb | hopefully https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1970986 as well | 16:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1970986 in snap-store-desktop "Ubuntu Software does not show firefox as being installed" [Undecided, New] | 16:23 |
| Khepra | tomreyn: no, I don't even know what's a bug here and what isn't | 16:25 |
| Khepra | so apparently I can't block the FF snap from accessing ~/ (ie. use ~/snap/... only) | 16:25 |
| ogra | Khepra, disabling home already did that | 16:25 |
| Khepra | yet I still have access | 16:25 |
| ogra | Khepra, what exactly indicates that this is not the case (noninteractively that is) | 16:26 |
| Khepra | I can access files in my ~/ | 16:26 |
| ogra | how | 16:26 |
| ogra | what exactly do you do | 16:26 |
| Khepra | ctrl-o and the file picker appears, I can access files. I can also save pages to my ~/ | 16:26 |
| ogra | well, thats fake 🙂 | 16:27 |
| ogra | this is not the snap doing it ... but your desktop | 16:27 |
| Khepra | ah | 16:27 |
| ogra | the snap itself does not have any access ... but hand the file request t the desktops xdg portal component ... which uses /tmp to copy the files back and forth | 16:27 |
| * ogra wonders if he needs a new keyboard ... or if my typing is just to fast | 16:28 | |
| webchat11 | Why when i copy text files to ntfs filesystem and back i get executable bit set? | 16:36 |
| rfm | webchat11, ntfs doesn't have mode bits. the modes used for files on ntfs are set in the ntfs mount umask option, by default I think it's 0777 for all files (ls -l /some/file/on/ntfs to see) | 17:00 |
| webchat11 | rfm interesting. I means it is a bad idea to backup files on ntfs. | 17:07 |
| tomreyn | on any file system which does not support Unix ACLs | 17:08 |
| tomreyn | but you can wrap them in a tar archive | 17:08 |
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| webchat11 | tomreyn great, thanks. It is even possible to preserve an owner if needed. | 17:27 |
| leftyfb | webchat11: only in the tarball. And it'll be based on UID, not owner name | 17:28 |
| webchat11 | leftyfb Thanks. What do you mean "only in the tarball"? | 17:31 |
| leftyfb | webchat11: as explained above by rfm and tomreyn, NTFS does not support Unix ACL's. But if you tar up the files on the linux filesystem, the permissions will be preserved | 17:33 |
| Abacaxi | Hello. | 17:38 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome Abacaxi | 17:39 |
| ice9 | what is the best compatible in ear bluetooth headset? | 17:45 |
| lotuspsychje | !hardware | ice9 | 17:45 |
| ubottu | ice9: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection | 17:45 |
| ice9 | lotuspsychje, there is no info about headsets on that link so I hope to get an answer from personal experiences | 17:48 |
| lotuspsychje | try #ubuntu-discuss to start a poll perhaps ice9 | 17:48 |
| ice9 | thanks | 17:48 |
| leftyfb | or #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:48 |
| Abacaxi | I'm having trouble with my Ubuntu 22.04 install. | 17:55 |
| Abacaxi | I installed it on a HP Compaq 8100 machine that already had Windows 10 on it. Grub shows up, I can choose each system, but I Ubuntu is giving me AE_ALREADY_EXISTS and don't let me enter the OS. | 17:55 |
| Abacaxi | Can someone please help me to understand? | 17:55 |
| Abacaxi | There is too much irrelevant information on the web and I can't find the one I need. | 17:56 |
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| Abacaxi | Most information is related to UEFI, but I believe this is not my case. | 17:56 |
| Maik | ice9: best to keep in in -discuss, don't expect to get any serious answers in -offtopic. And try searching the web about the subject. :) | 17:59 |
| c_89 | Hi, I have upgraded to Xubuntu 22.04 and the package manager as installed firefox as snap. But when I load *.so module in security devices the error appears: "Unable to add module" | 18:01 |
| matsaman | snaps =P | 18:03 |
| c_89 | the module is: opensc-pkcs11.so | 18:04 |
| leftyfb | c_89: opensc-pkcs11 is not installed by default on ubuntu 22.04 | 18:05 |
| leftyfb | c_89: also, what does firefox being a snap have to do with loading the opensc-pkcs11 module? | 18:06 |
| c_89 | leftyfb I have installed opensc-pkcs11 manually on synaptic | 18:07 |
| leftyfb | c_89: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-smart-cards | 18:08 |
| c_89 | leftyfb I need the opensc-pkcs11 module to be able to read an Italian CNS smartcard | 18:08 |
| c_89 | leftyfb it's firefox v100.0.1 snap which i guess doesn't load * .so modules | 18:10 |
| leftyfb | c_89: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1967632 | 18:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1967632 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[snap] apparmor denied when trying to load pkcs11 module for smart card authentication" [High, Triaged] | 18:13 |
| c_89 | leftyfb stop apparmor with `sudo systemctl stop apparmor` I restart the browser and let you know... | 18:17 |
| Abacaxi | Hi. FSCK fixed my problem. | 18:17 |
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| Mat101101 | Where can I see all the packages of the main repository? | 19:02 |
| Mat101101 | In the web | 19:03 |
| leftyfb | why? | 19:03 |
| Mat101101 | To know what tools you could use | 19:04 |
| leftyfb | huh? | 19:04 |
| Mat101101 | To know what tools you could use | 19:05 |
| Mat101101 | Consult | 19:05 |
| Mat101101 | those things will happen | 19:05 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: I don't think there's any list of every single package available in Ubuntu. Even if there were, it wouldn't be useful as there's too many packages that are libraries and other dependencies and aren't actual "tools" | 19:05 |
| leftyfb | though I still don't understand you're reasoning | 19:06 |
| leftyfb | there's no list of every single package/application for any OS | 19:06 |
| Mat101101 | A list of all available packages | 19:06 |
| Mat101101 | ok | 19:06 |
| leftyfb | no | 19:06 |
| descent1 | synaptic will show you wont it? | 19:09 |
| leftyfb | descent1: there's lots of ways to list every single package. That is useless information for their purposes (which still aren't entirely clear) | 19:10 |
| descent1 | ah ok | 19:10 |
| Mat101101 | I saw a list of packages, for a slackware based distribution, that you can check on the web, I was wondering if ubuntu does something similar. I see that it is not so | 19:11 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: apt list | 19:11 |
| leftyfb | all 71k packages | 19:12 |
| Mat101101 | Looks good, works great | 19:12 |
| leftyfb | :/ | 19:12 |
| sarnold | Mat101101: You could grep for Package: in the Packages file for your release; apt stores them in /var/lib/apt/lists/ if you're already on ubuntu. if you're not already on ubuntu, you can grab them from the archive mirrors, eg http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/binary-amd64/ | 19:20 |
| Mat101101 | If I need to install a program, how do I tell the apt manager to install it? | 19:21 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/package-management | 19:21 |
| Mat101101 | =D | 19:21 |
| l0k1 | @Mat101101, what type of file? | 19:22 |
| Mat101101 | what i need | 19:22 |
| Mat101101 | I'm going to see this now | 19:23 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Which application are you referring to? Which release of ubuntu? Server or desktop? | 19:23 |
| habitos | apt list --installed | 19:25 |
| Mat101101 | 22.04 desktop | 19:25 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Which application are you referring to? | 19:25 |
| habitos | apt install htop | 19:27 |
| leftyfb | habitos: can we help you with something? | 19:27 |
| habitos | no thank you. just testing... | 19:29 |
| l0k1 | sudo apt install packagename or sudo dpkg -i packagename | 19:29 |
| l0k1 | sudo dpkg -i debfile* | 19:30 |
| leftyfb | l0k1: I already gave Mat101101 documentation on how to install ubuntu packages | 19:30 |
| l0k1 | ok | 19:31 |
| c_89 | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/dd76c633008b7e9b9869bad82c7b91d9/pasted.txt | 19:47 |
| c_89 | Hi, I exported an authentication certificate contained in a CNS smartcard after entering the PIN. But when I try to import it on firefox (to be able to authenticate without a reader) I get the following error: "This personal certificate cannot be installed because you do not have the corresponding private key generated when requesting the | 19:48 |
| c_89 | certificate." | 19:48 |
| sarnold | c_89: usually half the point of smartcards is that the private key material cannot be extracted from them | 19:50 |
| c_89 | sarnold so you are telling me that I cannot authenticate without reader even if i exported the certificate? | 19:51 |
| leftyfb | what's the point of trying to authenticate with a smartcard/certificate without a reader? | 19:52 |
| sarnold | c_89: it's worth checking the documentation / asking support for your card, but there's probably no way to get the secret key out of it | 19:52 |
| c_89 | leftyfb it makes sense because I exported the certificate with middleware on Windows as the smartcard reader I own is partially functional on Linux | 19:54 |
| c_89 | leftyfb Ludovic Rousseau who has experience with smartcards asked me for 3000€ to be able to make it work on Linux | 19:56 |
| sarnold | cool | 19:56 |
| sarnold | he *knows* smart card stuff | 19:57 |
| c_89 | I paid the reader just € 20 , absurd :) | 19:57 |
| sarnold | ah, so it's not like you've bought a few thousand of them, hehe | 19:58 |
| c_89 | of course I declined the offer, saying that no one would be willing to pay that price for an open source driver | 19:59 |
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| Enissay | After a normal update of my 20.04, I have no wifi at all... Yesterday after many restarts it showed up on its own, now after 10 restarts, nothing :x | 21:54 |
| Enissay | The problem is that I have no possibility to use wire to fix it... Upgrading to 22.04 is planned for months later | 21:55 |
| Enissay | Any suggestion what can I do to troubleshoot ? | 21:55 |
| Mat101101 | enable third party update packages | 21:58 |
| leftyfb | Enissay: boot to the previous kernel | 21:58 |
| leftyfb | Mat101101: that will not work | 21:59 |
| esmaeelE[m] | I want to create a simple patch for ubiquity that add only one line to a file. | 22:05 |
| esmaeelE[m] | But `debdiff` change more than one file. | 22:05 |
| esmaeelE[m] | Here is my debdiff: https://paste.ubuntu.ir/uxqtn | 22:05 |
| esmaeelE[m] | * I want to create a simple patch for ubiquity that add only one line to a file. | 22:05 |
| esmaeelE[m] | But `debdiff` change more than one file. Is that correct? | 22:05 |
| esmaeelE[m] | Here is my debdiff: https://paste.ubuntu.ir/uxqtn | 22:05 |
| leftyfb | esmaeelE[m]: I think you wat #ubuntu-devel | 22:05 |
| Enissay | Thanks, will try that | 22:22 |
| InPhase | It sure feels like a lot more bugs have hit me in 22.04 than I recall from any LTS in recent memory. I'm getting a lot of death by thousands of papercuts on this one. It's not really an ubuntu fault or anything, but I think most of it is just the timing of a lot of upstream issues. Has it seemed this way for others? | 22:38 |
| InPhase | I suppose the snap firefox ultra slow cold-start bug is ubuntu-specific though in some manner, since a choice was made to go snap with this, but it's not working well that way. | 22:39 |
| mlaga97 | InPhase, I find it is generally better to wait until the first point release to avoid feeling too much like a beta tester. | 22:55 |
| mlaga97 | Which I believe for 22.04.1, will be in August. | 22:55 |
| transhumanist | hi I want to build a package from a source compile of qemu-7.0.0 any directions on how to do this anyone know of? dpkg-buildpackage is for debian , but I see no instructions for ubuntu | 23:08 |
| sarnold | transhumanist: what's the goal? to build the ubuntu packages with a slight change? or to build the upstream qemu directly? | 23:09 |
| sarnold | or something else? | 23:09 |
| transhumanist | to build my own custom qemu deb | 23:09 |
| sarnold | aha, cool; dpkg-buildpackage instructions for debian will work okay on ubuntu too; it'd be better to go with something like sbuild or pbuilder to give reproducable results, but that might be more effort than you want to put into it | 23:10 |
| sarnold | you could also use a ppa or opensuse's open build service, to use other people's computers to do the building ;) | 23:11 |
| transhumanist | dpkg-buildpackage: error: cannot open file debian/changelog: No such file or directory | 23:11 |
| sarnold | cd into the qemu_6.0+dfsg-1~ubuntu3 directory, or whatever matches whatever package you're starting from | 23:12 |
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| Guest15 | how could I `sudo apt purge xfburn xfce4-dict` #without removing mousepad ristretto xfce4-notifyd xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-terminal and a host of plugins | 23:15 |
| Guest15 | sudo dpkg --force-depends --remove xfburn xfce4-dict #works. but now apt complains everytime it's ran | 23:20 |
| tomreyn | Guest15: have you run sudo apt update first? | 23:21 |
| guiverc | You've not provide release details Guest15 , but `xubuntu-desktop` has a depends rule on xfce4-dict for my release | 23:21 |
| Guest15 | sudo dpkg --force-depends --remove xfburn xfce4-dict xfce4-goodies #works but now everytime apt is run I've got like 20 packages that say "autoremove can remove these packages" | 23:22 |
| Guest15 | guiverc, actually I'm using Debian 11.3, but it's 72% the same thing | 23:23 |
| guiverc | you | 23:23 |
| guiverc | you're off-topic here, use #debian for Debian support | 23:23 |
| guiverc | Guest15, ^ | 23:23 |
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