[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:30] <ducasse> morn
[08:39] <mncheck> how does ubuntu handle maintaining a package where ubuntu adds patches to a debian package that already has patches from debian compared to upstream?
[20:12] <ogra> TGIM ... weekly news !
[20:19] <Bashing-om> Weekly News - Monday ! My proof: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue736 :D
[20:20] <ogra> 😄
[21:57] <Ronture> Greetings... I'm new here.  I've recently had an issue with installing Ubuntu Maverick.  I assume this is the channel for that, right?
[21:57] <Jeremy31> Ronture: What is Ubuntu Maverick?
[21:57] <Ronture> It's Ubuntu 10.10.
[21:57] <sarnold> if you mean the release that reached end of life a decade ago, I doubt anyone here will remember anything from it well enough to be any help
[21:58] <Ronture> Oh.
[21:58] <Bashing-om> !10.10 | Ronture 
[21:58] <leftyfb> Ronture: why would you want to install a release from 12 years ago?
[21:59] <Ronture> I have an old computer that I want to make use of.
[21:59] <leftyfb> Ronture: put 18.04 on it
[22:00] <sarnold> does 18.04 support 32 bit?
[22:00] <leftyfb> yes
[22:00] <sarnold> I forget when exactly we killed that
[22:00] <Ronture> I believe it should.
[22:00] <leftyfb> though honestly, such hardware is more valuable as scrap
[22:01] <Ronture> Probably.
[22:01] <Ronture> Anyways, if you install Ubuntu on a disk with an existing operating system, but don't choose the option to install alongside it, wouldn't it make the Ubuntu bootloader anyways?
[22:03] <leftyfb> Ronture: you have a machine that's over 10/15 years old that you want to install ubuntu on but you also have an existing OS on it that you want to keep? I can't imagine such a scenario ever existing
[22:04] <Ronture> Apparently it does.
[22:05] <leftyfb> what OS is on it now?
[22:06] <Ronture> It has XP (active partition) and 7 partition.
[22:06] <Ronture> The computer is for random tests, and I'd like to have both Ubuntu and Windows options available for such tests.
[22:06] <leftyfb> you realize Microsoft has been begging people for 10+ years to upgrade away from xp right?
[22:06] <Ronture> That doesn't matter.
[22:06] <Ronture> I won't be using it insecurely anyways.
[22:07] <Ronture> So yes, I do realize that.
[22:07] <sarnold> it'll be fun, MS begging people to upgrade, ubuntu begging people to upgrade why not throw os/2 on there too :)
[22:08] <Ronture> XP is for practical use.
[22:09] <leftyfb> Ronture: to help with such an en-devour would go against my technology principals. I'd say good luck, but honestly, I hope your goal in this path is not accomplished. I hope you acquire newer hardware with a modern and supported OS to accomplish the greater goals. 
[22:10] <leftyfb> Ronture: hell, I have a system76 machine with Ubuntu 20.04 loaded onto it that I'd be willing to send you for the cost of shipping if you promised to properly dispose of the hardware you have now and never so much as mention "xp" ever again, let alone use it
[22:15] <Ronture> No, but thank you.
[22:17] <Ronture> I'm curious; why are you against unsupported hardware?
[22:17] <Ronture> */software?
[22:19] <Jeremy31> Ronture: EOL versions can be more problems than what they are worth
[22:19] <leftyfb> hardware: power inefficiency, supported drivers   software: security, support
[22:20] <leftyfb> none of which anyone should be supporting other than the person with said hardware
[22:21] <Ronture> Ah.  If I could afford it, I would.
[22:21] <leftyfb> I can buy a Raspberry Pi for $40 that is supported, more power efficient and more powerful and a fraction of the physical size
[22:22] <leftyfb> Ronture: I offered to send you a machine for only the cost of shipping from MA to VA. Probably weights about 4 or 5 lbs
[22:22] <Ronture> Unfortunately, I'd have no way of paying you.
[22:22] <leftyfb> even it is an older machine towards the end of it's life, but at least it'll run an OS that is still supported for the next 3 years
[22:23] <Ronture> What good is support in experimentation?
[22:23] <Ronture> It's useful, but I won't need it.
[22:23] <leftyfb> up to you, offer is there until they're gone. I have 2 left. Selling them on facebook for $20 + shipping now
[22:23] <leftyfb> Ronture: support means not asking for help here on IRC
[22:24] <Ronture> Ahh... I see.
[22:24] <Ronture> I understand more what that means now.
[22:24] <Ronture> Have a good day, leftyfb.