[00:09] <WeeBey>  Hello! Has anyone seen+solved an issue where a laptop's screen just goes on and off after a suspend (suspend loop?). I started getting this with 22.04
[00:09] <enigma9o7[m]> nah fuck that
[00:10] <WeeBey> lol
[00:11] <WeeBey> we can't all be desktop people. :D
[00:15] <WeeBey> Ok then. :D
[00:18] <WaV> I wonder if he was talking about the flashing screen bug
[00:23] <enigma9o7[m]> man
[01:28] <bilby> #linux
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[01:57] <enigma9o7[m]> I'm consdiering it, thanks.
[02:07] <bobdobbs> I'm using gnome on ubuntu 22.04. When I want download a file from a the web on either chrome or firefox, a dialogue pops up asking me for a location to download to. The dialogue gives me some options. Back in ubuntu 20.04 I could add locations to this dialogue.
[02:08] <bobdobbs> This could be really handy for when I'm working on a project in a certain subdirectory. I could add the subdir to the list of candidate locations.
[02:08] <bobdobbs> Has this feature been removed from the current version of gome?
[02:10] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: it's there for me
[02:11] <leftyfb> top-right
[02:13] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: ah, I see. Thanks.
[02:14] <bobdobbs> I used to be able to drag-and-drop folders to the sidebar. Looks like that particular feature is gone.
[02:15] <leftyfb> that also works for me
[02:16] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: I can't add the location to the sidebar using anything I see on the upper-right. But I can do it by right-clicking on a subfolder and selecting an option. That'll do.
[02:16] <enigma9o7[m]> isnt bobdobbs more of a slackware enthusiast?
[02:17] <leftyfb> you said you can't drag and drop. I can drag a directory on the right over to the sidebar on the left and add it to my favorites
[02:17] <bobdobbs> enigma9o7[m]: I am but the earthly representation of the One True Bob
[02:17] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: interesting
[02:20] <enigma9o7[m]> leftyb said somethin ginteresting?  actaully im not surprised
[02:20] <enigma9o7[m]> i have him on ignore, but i bet, some of the things he says are truly of interest
[02:20] <enigma9o7[m]> just a lot of the things he said are rude and impolite so its better just to ignore him
[02:20] <leftyfb> !ot | enigma9o7[m]
[02:21] <enigma9o7[m]> Uhhh but, I have no intention of registering, but thanks?
[02:22] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: we might have different versions? I'm not sure how to check my gnome version. But I'm running ubuntu 22.04 that I installed about a week ago
[02:24] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: looks like I'm using Gnome version 42.1
[02:26] <enigma9o7[m]> Anything leftyb is telling you is to make you feel bad.  just ignore him.
[02:26] <enigma9o7[m]> hopefully this channel soon kicks him
[02:27] <enigma9o7[m]> nobody likes him and we all wish he would burn in hell forever
[02:27] <leftyfb> !op | enigma9o7[m]
[02:27] <enigma9o7[m]> he kinds ruins this channel
[02:29] <bilby> hi-my ubuntu software centre isn't displaying icons and i can't successfully install things like LibreOffice-ended up using sudo apt search "libreoffice" chose applicable and it installed fine-how to fix software centre so icons show when i search for something and repair incase its toasted
[02:29] <enigma9o7[m]> uh-oh speghetti-o
[02:29] <bilby> enigma9o7[m], =)
[02:30] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: https://imgur.com/a/zMd2neH
[02:36] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: this one is better https://imgur.com/a/Fwuh5DN
[02:36] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: ah, I see.
[02:37] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: I seem to remember being able to do this in the middle of an operation. So I just tested, and I can indeed do the operation that you are illustrating. But I can't add a folder to the sidebar after I've selected a file to download and before I've actually downloaded it.
[02:37] <bobdobbs> Or at least not by dragging/dropping
[02:38] <bobdobbs> It's no biggie really though. The non-drag-drop method works ok for me.
[02:59] <tyro> Hi is this the help channel?
[02:59] <leftyfb> yes
[02:59] <tyro> ok
[02:59] <tyro> Im running 20.04
[03:00] <tyro> I bought a tp-link tl-wn722n usb wifi adapter
[03:01] <tyro> tyro@linux-serv:~$ lsusb
[03:01] <tyro> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
[03:01] <tyro> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[03:01] <tyro> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.
[03:01] <tyro> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[03:01] <tyro> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[03:01] <leftyfb> !paste | tyro
[03:02] <leftyfb> tyro: you probably want to follow https://askubuntu.com/a/1341830/1151311
[03:02] <tyro> I can see it on lsusb
[03:03] <tyro> and it seems to be working but it is not assigned to wlan0 or 1 or anything
[03:03] <leftyfb> tyro: I might also suggest installing the latest HWE kernel to see if that helps
[03:05] <tyro> oops sorry I forgot to say it's a v3.20 I already replaced the kernel
[03:05] <tyro> I'll ask in there
[03:06] <tyro> one other problem
[03:06] <leftyfb> tyro: what is at 3.20?
[03:07] <tyro> I have stupid Tmobile home internet att tore up my driveway a few years ago to bring fiber to our area but for some reason I am
[03:07] <tyro> not able to get service.
[03:07] <tyro> so with cellular I'm behine cgnat
[03:07] <tyro> can't run a server'
[03:08] <tyro> I want to know if anyone has figured out how to get to an outside shell with a public ip and run a Mud from my shitty internet
[03:08] <tyro> sorry for the laguage
[03:08] <tyro> or vnc
[03:09] <leftyfb> tyro: you could run a reverse tunnel/proxy on a publicly hosted server
[03:09] <leftyfb> tyro: I do not recommend opening up vnc to the internet
[03:09] <tyro> that was a miss thought
[03:10] <tyro> I think I better stick with getting my gamepad working with dolphin first lol
[03:11] <enigma9o7[m]> dolphins are scary
[03:12] <leftyfb> !ot | enigma9o7[m]
[03:27] <enigma9o7[m]> Ummm ubuttu, thanks for the message, but suck my butt and lick on my balls.  I have no intention of ever registering with anything.
[03:32] <dkjfk> the channel was so much better on freenode
[03:35] <guiverc> enigma9o7[m], please watch your language  (it's been ~bad a few times of late)
[03:43] <josmala> I think, my fb-device if given by vesa driver, while rest of the rendering stuff is handled by proprietary-nvidia driver. I need a fb-device per GPU for multiseat and it seems vesa-driver gives only one. How can I fix this? (Its probably caused by some old workaround to get my GPU working at all, when installed nvidia drivers were too old to actually support my GPU at the time.)
 "I want to know if anyone has..." <- Im not really sure what you are asking, but maybe this is the answer: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/sidedoor
[04:02] <josmala> I think, I might be able to fix my problem now that I had good night sleep after hearing its a driver problem. But if I fail, I'll be back on my daughters ancient machine I was trying to replace with sharing my machine.
[04:13] <josmala> Okay. My problem wasn't solved nor aggravated by removing the vesa driver and reinstalling the nvidia driver, and the single fb device still says its vesa.
[04:16] <enigma9o7[m]> guiverc: thanks for the suggestion
[04:16] <enigma9o7[m]> I hope you and your famil yhav ea great week.
[04:17] <enigma9o7[m]> Do you wanna meet us next weekend at Califonria's Great America?  We have gold passes.
[04:17] <enigma9o7[m]> inlcuding the season food pass whateve rits called, so we can eat at the restaurants for free
[04:19] <enigma9o7[m]> My kids are 8....
[04:19] <enigma9o7[m]> (twins)
[04:20] <enigma9o7[m]> if you dont already have memberishiop/passes we can get you in as guets for half price, just lmk
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[04:32] <enigma9o7[m]> Itwas quiet in here.  so I share a screenshot of minimal jammy.
[04:32] <enigma9o7[m]> 845 packages.
[04:33] <enigma9o7[m]> 210MB
[04:34] <enigma9o7[m]> Ubuntu r00l
[04:34] <enigma9o7[m]> z
[04:53] <dkjfk> minimal install doesn't have gui though
[05:08] <enigma9o7[m]> I'd be happy to argue, cuz what you said makes no senese.
[05:09] <alkisg> It's the new "minimal" that is a checkbox in the installer that avoids libreoffice and a couple of other packages
[05:09] <alkisg> It doesn't make any difference in RAM, just in disk space usage
[05:09] <enigma9o7[m]> The screnshot above I call minimal, cuz it's ubuntu server, with lxde --no-recommends and a few other details.
[05:10] <enigma9o7[m]> But I can flush swap and still be significianly low ra m....
[05:11] <Polo> ?
[05:11] <enigma9o7[m]> just remind me of the command to disable swap, i kinda forgot
[05:11] <enigma9o7[m]> swapon -something
[05:11] <enigma9o7[m]> in any case i bet ill be like 300M
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[05:14] <enigma9o7[m]> But yeah the checkbox, I dunno what that does.
[05:14] <enigma9o7[m]> But if you want actual minimal ubuntu, install ubuntu server, then `sudo apt uninstall ubuntu-sever`
[05:15] <enigma9o7[m]> And then, if you want what i Have, `sudo apt install lxde --no-install-recommends`
[05:16] <enigma9o7[m]> oh plus firefox.... yeah that... but everyone knows by now how to isntall that
[05:16] <JOEY> lame
[05:17] <enigma9o7[m]> JOEY, you just joined and your firsrt mesage was lame?
[05:17] <JOEY> Below the lemon
[05:17] <JOEY> sublime
[05:18] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah yeah.
[05:18] <enigma9o7[m]> I dont practice santaria.
[05:18] <enigma9o7[m]> I don't got no crystal ball.
[05:20] <enigma9o7[m]> I thought someone else might say it, but I cant help myself, if I had a million dollars, I'd spend it all.
[06:17] <aneeshlingala61> hi
[07:07] <ice9> what is a triaged bug on launchpad?
[07:47] <dkjfk> someone other than you looked at it
[07:47] <enigma9o7[m]> killl kill kill the white man
[07:52] <Duck[m]> kill -9 whiteman
[07:55] <enigma9o7[m]> thank you
[08:09] <ice9> these are separate mysql process or threads of the same process? https://postimg.cc/F1jpRYVr
[08:50] <sophie> Probably threads. In just 'top' it might show as one process
[10:29] <WeeBey98> Good morning! Has anyone experienced their wifi suddenly stopped working after reboot? It was weird. I got lots of dmesg errors. Rebooted 3 more times and it came back.
[11:20] <ray> Hi, does this channel have any lovely people that could offer some Ubuntu support, or is it mainly for dev? Thanks :)
[11:22] <josmala> Support. I asked the question and it took some time for someone to ask more clarifications and got some help after they got the information required.
[11:28] <nottortal> it's support mostly
[11:28] <nottortal> i think...
[11:28] <nottortal> help, discussions.. randomstuff
[11:28] <nottortal> not much dev around here
[11:29] <nottortal> oh sorry josmala: missed that you answered already
[11:29] <ray> Ah okay! I'll try and give as much information as I can. I have the common old problem of 'sound not working'... before anyone roll's their eyes, I have done a fair amount of troubleshooting myself (i'm not a novice!). On my machine I am having trouble getting sound out of the Build-in Audio Analogue Stereo device. It has two ports, in build speakers and headphones. The Speakers work fine, when swapping to Headphone port
[11:29] <ray> there is no sound, it's the same device on the system, just a different channel. My set up works fine as I can switch to Windows partition and all works as anticipated, so I can rule out a hardware issue. I have reinstalled pulseaudio and I am getting the same results. On the pulseaudio monitor I can see the meter display under the device and it is accurate, it is working fine and it reacts to volume controls from the audio
[11:29] <ray> monitor too. I have loaded up alsamixer and I can see that the channels are not muted and are enabled with 100% volume. I've really just run out of places to look for audio settings. If anyone has any ideas of where I can look for more audio settings that would be really awesome.
[11:31] <josmala> ray pulseaudio volumecontrol?
[11:33] <josmala> That's the only mixer that has worked with my audio problems.
[11:33] <ray> pulseaudio volume control was my first place to check :) device is enabled, unmuted and I can see the meter jiggle around and respond to volume controls
[11:34] <josmala> Sometimes restarting pulsedaudio again, after I've logged in has worked.
[11:38] <ray> i've given it a force restart but still no dice, i've had to reboot a few times to load into Windows partition to rule our hardware issue anyway. Thanks for the suggestions!
[11:40] <ray> oh my god, i have just found the issue?? So random. My internal Microphone was muted...? I unmuted the internal microphone on the regular settings page and the audio just jumped back in. This had me stumped for the past 2 hours... thank you for your help josmala
[11:42] <TvL2000> Hey all! I have installed an ubuntu-22.04 server to act as router. I enabled dhcp on the WAN interface, which works fine, however dns lookups don't work. If I manually specify the dns server I got from dhcp, it works. I'm not sure what's going wrong (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yGtwZdggX2/)
[11:42] <ray> I've never heard of the input microphone device being muted causing one headphone audio channel to mute too? They surely can't be linked! haha
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:33] <webchat18> is portmaster safe to use?
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> where do you see that package webchat18
[12:54] <webchat18> lotuspsychje on their website, i was looking for an application to monitor my internet connection per application
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> webchat18: the volunteers cant advice on external packages much, best to seek/ask for an apt/snap supported package
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> webchat18: you could start the topic in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for example
[12:58] <webchat18> ok lotuspsychje thank you for your reply
[13:00] <webchat37> hi all, have a quick question on installing 22.04 LTS
[13:01] <webchat37> I'm trying to install it on an SSD that's using MBR
[13:02] <webchat37> correctly selected the SSD when selecting a device for boot loader installation
[13:02] <webchat37> but when i click install it warns me that no EFI system partition was found
[13:03] <webchat37> what should i do?
[13:06] <webchat37> hm, i guess i'll try reflashing the USB drive, see if i did it wrong
[13:17] <MJCD> hiyas i'm having problems with `snapd`
[13:17] <MJCD> i'm just trying to move to using it for just `certbot`
[13:17] <MJCD> but it's giving me no end of issues lol
[13:18] <ogra> $ snap info certbot|grep contact
[13:18] <ogra> contact:   https://github.com/certbot/certbot/issues
[13:18] <ogra> you shuld contact the certbot snap maintainers then ...
[14:05] <thiago_> 65
[14:26] <MJCD> tldr I figured it out -- the certbot docs say to use `snapd` which was causing weird issues but you can just grab it straight with `apt install certbot` and it <just works>
[14:26] <MJCD> thanks anyway xo
[14:42] <ogra> MJCD, well, if yu can live with the ancient version from that archive (i guess there is a reason why certbot picked snap as their default format on ubuntu nowdays)
[14:44] <Chalky> Can I increase the size of my /boot partition in Ubuntu 20.04?  /dev/sda1 243 MIB  Used 94.10 MIB  unused 148.50 MIB
[14:47] <MJCD> ogra: lol it's a bot
[14:47] <MJCD> it does <the thing>
[14:47] <MJCD> like every 24 months or whatever
[14:47] <ogra> sure ... sure ...
[14:47] <MJCD> I could use acron and a bash script around curl/wget
[14:47] <MJCD> to achieve the same
[14:49] <MJCD> And i'd LIKE to use the snapd method
[14:50] <MJCD> but it was giving me like no referential information to go on
[14:50] <MJCD> and i'm not resetting the entire instance just for that heh
[14:50] <MJCD> it'll need to be rebuilt when I get a spec together anyway :))
[14:51]  * MJCD wants to eventually write said spec in puppet
[14:51] <MJCD> or something that puppet acts upon
[14:51] <Chalky> Note, Ihave tried GPart but as there is no space immediately around the partition, it is not able to help.
[14:52] <MJCD> Chalky: butte whye
[14:52] <TvL2000> I think that in order to resize that partition, you would need to boot from a livecd to move the partitions around
[14:53] <MJCD> It's more complicated than that tool will be able to handle and you'll end up with a mess would be my bet
[14:54] <Chalky> ah, ok I will give that a go.   Live CD and still use GPart.  thx
[14:54] <MJCD> the literal sectors need to be "physically" moved
[14:54] <MJCD> just make sure to do a backup first
[14:54] <Chalky> Will do
[14:55] <MJCD> because it's entirely likely you'll end up having to go with plan b; starting with a new file table/install ^_^
[14:55] <Chalky> Mmmm I was hoping to avoid that option.
[14:56] <ogra> in either case, make sure you have properly working backups of your data 😉
[14:57] <Chalky> Sure thx
[14:58] <Chalky> It's not this machine, so I can continue to commuicate.
[15:09] <MJCD> 101110
[15:11] <jhutchins> Chalky: Since you're going to make a backup before messing with your root partition anyway, it makes good sense to just repartition the disk and restore the backup.  It's a lot faster too.
[15:11] <MJCD> mmmmm yeah can be easier said than done, situationally haha
[15:37] <Guest92> hello people; I am trying to play to a game on steam, but this doesn't work anymore with the GUI. So I started the game with the terminal, and this is what I see https://bpa.st/K55Q
[15:37] <Guest92> can someone help me? I suspect I get this problem since I updated my system but I am not sure
[15:40] <MJCD> Guest92: yeah I mean you're missing just a whole boatload of stuff it needs
[15:40] <Guest92> how is that possible though?
[15:41] <Guest92> that the required packages haven't  been updated ?
[15:41] <MJCD> are you just using steam or steamos?
[15:41] <Guest92> just steam on ubuntu
[15:42] <MJCD> i'd presume that'd be why then
[15:42] <MJCD> steam has no idea where to get a whole boatload of fonts and a couple gtk packages on <not steamos>
[15:42] <Guest92> but I never faced this problem within a year, ever since I installed ubuntu
[15:42] <Guest92> wait, this is what I get from the terminal
[15:42] <MJCD> it'd be specific to each game and how they handle it
[15:42] <Guest92> maybe it doesnt even look for those things when I use the GUI
[15:42] <MJCD> a lot of games render their own fonts even
[15:43] <Guest92> in which case I do not know why the game doesnt launch
[15:43] <MJCD> well try atleast getting the 2 gtk packages it mentions
[15:43] <MJCD> gail and atk or whatever
[15:44] <MJCD> I take it you mean when yo usay you were launching it from "the terminal"
[15:44] <MJCD> you mean another tty
[15:44] <MJCD> ie ctrl+alt+f1
[15:44] <ioria> Guest92, try to launch it with a PRELOAD  variable
[15:44] <Guest92> hmm how would I do that
[15:44] <MJCD> what game is it
[15:44] <Guest92> war selection
[15:45] <Guest92> I just tested another game (dota 2), and it works.  It's just war selection
[15:45] <ioria> Guest92, like LD_PRELOAD=/home/jacek/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so
[15:48] <Guest92> hmm 'kay, not much difference I think
[15:49] <ioria> Guest92, LD_PRELOAD=/home/isa/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so:/home/isa/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so    <game>
[15:49] <MJCD> god that sounds more nightmarish than wine in 2022
[15:49] <MJCD> xD
[15:49] <MJCD> tho will perform better if that even matters for "war selections"
[15:49] <MJCD> lol
[15:50] <Guest92> ioria by "game" should I put the ID?
[15:50] <MJCD> Guest92: no they're reusable libraries
[15:50] <ioria> the cmd you just run in terminal to start it
[15:52] <Guest92> yeah but what do I put instead of <game> ?
[15:52] <Guest92> I tried the ID of the game, "war selection", etc
[15:52] <Guest92> nothing works
[15:53] <MJCD> oh lol
[15:54] <MJCD> i'm not sure the format I don't use steam on linux because that's dumb (lol) but if you just right click the shortcut to run it steam made
[15:54] <MJCD> and go properties
[15:54] <MJCD> it should be some variation of the target in there
[15:55] <MJCD> ie it might be steam://234923952
[15:55] <MJCD> or just 32492394
[15:55] <MJCD> it may also have some other information in there about how it should need to run
[15:56] <Guest92> i was disconnected, I just see your 2 last messages
[15:56] <MJCD> loll
[16:00] <Guest92> i just made it
[16:00] <Guest92> I followed the suggestions on https://askubuntu.com/questions/325403/steam-fails-to-launch-game . essentially I forced the compatibility with "Proton Experimental", whatever that means, from Steam itself
[16:01] <Guest92> I don't really know what's going on. I have played over 800 hours of that game with 0 problem before.  But then, something broke.
[16:01] <KBar> it means its using the latest Proton version
[16:01] <KBar> proton is a wine wrapper/alternative
[16:01] <Guest92> oh
[16:01] <Guest92> I thought it was native on linux
[16:02] <KBar> which game?
[16:02] <MJCD> errr
[16:02] <MJCD> do you mean you forced proton after you tried it, it didn't use proton, and didn't work properly?
[16:02] <MJCD> or you just insta-forced it
[16:02] <Guest92> just forced it
[16:02] <Guest92> from within the steam settings, i forced it for that game
[16:03] <KBar> Guest92: sorry, which game?
[16:03] <Guest92> war selection
[16:04] <KBar> Guest92: did you do full system upgrade recently?
[16:04] <KBar> Guest92: try with different versions of Proton, and check if the 32-bit libs are installed.
[16:05] <MJCD> don't just force it lol
[16:05] <MJCD> just try running it >.>
[16:07] <ericus5> Hello! I tried something new; installing Nextcloud while installing Ubuntu server (during the installation)
[16:08] <ericus5> But I'm confused now, what web server does that use? I see no nginx nor apache instance running
[16:09] <ericus> oh httpd
[16:10] <ericus> Maybe I'll just reinstall it all with apache
[16:51] <OnceMe> Hello, how can I have same sound output to two devices, speakers and headphones?
[16:51] <OnceMe> Hello, how can I have same sound output to two devices, speakers and headphones? ubuntu 22.04
[17:01] <ravage> OnceMe, https://askubuntu.com/questions/78174/play-sound-through-two-or-more-outputs-devices
[17:02] <tomreyn> ericus: sudo lsof -i :80    tell you what's listening on port 80. 'ss' is another tool which can do this.
[17:03] <tomreyn> 'httpd' literally just means "a daemon speaking the HTTP protocol", could be any, may be apache httpd.
[17:04] <tomreyn> if i remember correctly, nextcloud is packaged as a snap, in which case i don't see how you'd change the webserver (unless you are installing nextcloud differently)
[17:04] <leftyfb> not sure why it matters which web server is running in the background, as long as it works
[17:12] <OnceMe> ravage: thats what I have already tried and its not working, installed paprefs and enabled that and in sound output checked that simultaneous output and I only get sound from one output such as headphones
[17:12] <OnceMe> its maybe because I have two ports as part of one output
[17:13] <OnceMe> both are analog signals through 3.5mm jack
[17:25] <ericus> leftyfb I need to setup letsencrypt and a reverse proxy
[17:25] <ericus> that's why I opted for a clean install
[17:25] <leftyfb> ericus: yeah, I wouldn't use the snap for that
[17:25] <leftyfb> or the build-in install
[17:25] <leftyfb> if they're one in the same
[17:30] <ericus> built-in doesn't come with letsencrypt it seems
[17:36] <ogra> ericus, if it is the snap, the docs are at https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap
[17:37] <ogra> (you can sheck with "snap list" if the snap was in fact installed by the installer)
[17:38] <ericus> thanks ogra
[17:51] <delluser> hi folks. my work provided me a new laptop. i asked for a thinkpad and they gave me a dell. the webcam doesn't seem to work. i'm using 20.04.
[17:51] <delluser> here is various bits: https://0bin.net/paste/XSlhOnIb#RaH79BiDY4Bm16M9lffn82dALfUDqbCn6tgB6QwCgOv
[17:51] <InPhase> delluser: Step one, try 22.04?
[17:52] <InPhase> You might as well begin with the latest LTS version.
[17:52] <mybalzitch> or try the HWE kernel first
[17:52] <leftyfb> delluser: also, shouldn't your work's IT department be supporting their assets?
[17:52] <delluser> they actually installed the OS along with a load of extra third party tools like AV and VPN and such so i'm hesistant to just wipe it
[17:53] <InPhase> delluser: Well you can upgrade without wiping.
[17:53] <InPhase> Also, hahah, AV.
[17:53] <delluser> i know. stupid right
[17:53] <leftyfb> delluser: then I would really suggest your IT department get the webcam working
[17:53] <delluser> it's I.T. what do you expect
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> InPhase: that advice doesnt make sense, a webcam should also be working on 20.04
[17:54] <InPhase> lotuspsychje: For most standard webcams, yes.
[17:54] <Maik> all depends on how new the hardware is
[17:54] <InPhase> lotuspsychje: But hardware issues tend to come and go with major versions, so there's a good chance it just goes away.
[17:54] <delluser> seeing as the webcam is detected and all the stuff seems to be there. i'd like to know if there is actually a driver or if it's just detecting it.
[17:54] <ravage> delluser, you could start with the output of "lsusb" and paste the line that shows your webcam :)
[17:55] <delluser> ravage: see the 0bin paste above
[17:55] <ravage> oh
[17:55] <ravage> "various bits"
[17:55] <ravage> didnt see that :)
[17:55] <delluser> https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=usb:0c45-6a09
[17:55] <Maik> also upgrading at this point is not recommended and i agree that the IT department of the company should take care of it
[17:55] <InPhase> delluser: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1390420/camera-not-working-on-fresh-install-of-20-04
[17:56] <delluser> yeah that's how i found the linux-hardware link
[17:57] <delluser> IT dept are useless. unless you know the magic words to get them to buy me a thinkpad lol
[17:57] <Maik> they gave you this machine with Ubuntu thus they should take care of it
[17:57] <ravage> you could at least try the 22.04 live usb and see if it would make any difference
[17:58] <delluser> yeah but i don't want to ship the machine all the way back to germany from ireland just so they can fix a webcam
[17:58] <InPhase> delluser: It seems to work in 22.04, which you can verify by seeing people complaining about other problems they're having with it beyond it just working:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407767/terrible-webcam-resolution-in-dell-precision-5560-and-ubuntu-22-04
[17:58] <oerheks> delluser, open cheese, and trottle resolution down 1 step
[17:58] <oerheks> worked for my dell and hp
[17:58] <ravage> you can even boot any other linux VM and pass through the usb device
[17:59] <ravage> maybe you find a combination of distribution and kernel that works
[17:59] <delluser> oerheks: it selected ok but it still gives the blank image
[18:00] <ravage> results for 0c45:6a09 are not very promising really
[18:00] <leftyfb> delluser: what model laptop?
[18:02] <delluser> leftyfb: Precision 3560
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> InPhase: there's currently a cheese bug open on 22.04, so thats not gonna help neither
[18:02] <InPhase> delluser: From those askubuntu links I think the right strategy is to try the 22.04 upgrade and attempt 640x480 resolution if high res also doesn't work for you.  There are other steps you can try with v4lctl in a script to tweak things like color balance and contrast to get a good quality low res image, which would be sufficient for zooming.
[18:02] <delluser> i booted it to a 20.04 latest image i have on a usb stick to test and that has the same issue. i suppose i could try burn a 22.04 and give that a go
[18:03] <InPhase> Yeah, a liveboot would be a good strategy to test it out without changes.
[18:03] <leftyfb> delluser: isn't there a switch above the webcam that blocks it out for privacy?
[18:03] <delluser> so i guess if 22.04 doesn't work i just tell the IT folks to order me an external cam
[18:03] <delluser> lmao leftyfb . there is
[18:03] <delluser> and that worked
[18:03] <delluser> i am the useless one
[18:03] <ravage> heh
[18:04] <InPhase> delluser: Also, solidarity and sympathies for "I asked for a thinkpad and got a dell".
[18:04] <delluser> i suspected there might be a camera cover but it wasn't overtly covering it and the switch looks like it's part of the clasp that closes the lid
[18:04] <ravage> glad the solution was easy :)
[18:04] <InPhase> lol.  Okay.
[18:04] <InPhase> leftyfb: Bonus points for tech support skill.
[18:05] <delluser> thanks for the help folks. i would have been bashing my head across this one for probably hours and hours more if i didn't have the emotional and technical support of this channel. hahaha
[18:05] <oerheks> !cookie | leftyfb
[18:07] <jhutchins> delluser: At least you didn't ship it back to Germany only to have them tell you it works fine and ship it back, with you still unable to use it.
[18:07] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I doubt the IT department would have figured it out ;)
[18:08] <delluser> crisis: averted
[18:09] <leftyfb> what made it obvious to me, it showed up in lsusb and lshw just fine, no errors when trying to open it, just "blank image" and the fact that there weren't many results on google for it ... because it just works out of the box
[18:11] <oerheks> So it was not a resolution issue, good laptop
[18:12] <delluser> it doesn't have full sized cursor keys tho :/
[18:12] <delluser> and no hardware mouse buttons
[18:44] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, updating after a kernel update is always a smart thing to do. I'm trying to think of a mechanism that notifies me when I need to reboot, but also after certain packages have been updated (for example, I'd definitely also want to restart certain services after they've been updated, like sshd) - Does `unattended-upgrades` offer such a feature or should I search for something else / roll my own solution?
[18:47] <arraybolt3> ForeverNoob: I believe Ubuntu takes care of at least SSHD automatically, as per this ServerFault answer: https://serverfault.com/questions/663023/upgrading-openssh-server-within-an-ssh-session
[18:48] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh that's good to know, thanks!
[18:48] <ravage> ForeverNoob[m], you can check if /var/run/reboot-required exists
[18:50] <ForeverNoob[m]> ah that's pretty handy, ty
[18:55] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: check out needrestart in https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[18:58] <ForeverNoob[m]> I'm on 18.04 currently but I'll definitely keep this in mind once I (finally) upgrade, thanks.
[18:58] <ravage> nice tool
[18:59] <sarnold> ForeverNoob[m]: it probably exists for a decade or two before jammy :) it just happened to be an easy short description I knew of
[19:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> ooh nice
[19:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> sounds like pretty much what I need
[19:54] <Alloysious> Hi all- can anyone point me to some idiot guides for debugging a failing boot? I get ~6 sec into boot and then dmesg drops to me to a init terminal... nothing obvious in the things printed to screen. Is there a more verbose log somewhere?
[19:56] <sarnold> dmesg and journalctl are good starting points
[20:02] <Alloysious> hmm well dmesg just re-prints what was already on the screen during boot
[20:03] <Alloysious> journalctl is not found (can't access /dev/tty; job control turned off)
[20:04] <sarnold> oh my
[20:06] <Alloysious> yea, I make it about 5 seconds into kernel boot, the last message I get is 'Freeing unused kernel memory:', then dumped to (what I assume is) initrd console
[20:07] <Alloysious> I guess I want a blaring red ERROR ERROR ERROR, but nothing stands out as unusual in the several hundred lines
[20:10] <Alloysious> nothing in /var/log is useful ... where to look next
[20:34] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: Do "ls /dev/sd*" and "ls /dev/vd*" and see if anything pops up. Maybe your disks aren't being found by the kernel.
[20:37] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: Also, if you could pastebin the contents of your grub.cfg file, that might give some clues. (You can boot from a live ISO, mount the rood drive pop open a terminal, then do "sudo su -", cd to the root drive, then do "cp boot/grub/grub.cfg /grub.cfg" followed by "chmod 0888 /grub.cfg". This will make a copy of your grub.cfg file, and you can then open it in a text editor, and copypaste its contents into a pastebin. Note that this may be a
[20:37] <arraybolt3> bad idea if you have sensitive information like security passwords in your grub.cfg file.)
[20:37] <arraybolt3> s/rood/root ^
[20:39] <arraybolt3> Agh, and change "chmod 0888 /grub.cfg" to "chmod 0777 /grub.cfg"
[20:40] <sarnold> why executable?
[20:40] <sarnold> why should everyone be able to write it?
[20:40] <leftyfb> Alloysious: I would suggest just trying to boot to the previous working kernel
[20:40] <sarnold> oh good idea
[20:41] <arraybolt3> sarnold: No need, it's just an easy way to make it readable. I guess only 0666 is needed, but I do 0777 when I want all permissions for everything so I can for sure access something from a standard user. Makes it so you don't run into problems with other things, though it is superfluous here.
[20:41] <arraybolt3> And you could pare it down even further, but that takes brainpower...
[20:42] <arraybolt3> (I guess 0644 is all that would be needed?) It's just to make it so you can read a copy with a text editor so you can paste it. The original file is left untouched.
[20:57] <janisozaur> Can I expect gcc 11.3 out of the box in ubuntu 22.04? If so, any ideas for when to expect that?
[20:58] <Bashing-om> !info gcc jammy | janisozaur
[21:03] <janisozaur> I know that already, looking for a timeline when to expect 11.3
[21:06] <morganu> where does hexchat keep its backscrolls?
[21:07] <morganu> 20.04
[21:07] <leftyfb> morganu: pretty sure it's in memory
[21:07] <leftyfb> morganu: you are better off looking at it's logs
[21:09] <morganu> I asked in here how to concatenate some pdfs, actually over a hundred. Someone told me, maybe you.. leftyfb to use find -exec and I saved it in textedit but somehow I have an emplty file. Could you help me by telling me again?  (and I DID mean logs when I said backscroll. #ubuntu spills over the backscroll fast.)
[21:10] <leftyfb> morganu: pastebin your script. Though really you might be better asking in #bash for such things
[21:10] <morganu> I kept this so maybe this is good enough. I "just" realized what was in this page.
[21:10] <morganu> https://www.baeldung.com/linux/find-exec-command
[21:10] <Alloysious> Well, I guess this isn't a beginner question, but I'm not booting using grub, it's direct from u-boot. The kernel overrides I'm using are `console=ttyAMA0,115200 earlycon=pl011,mmio32,0x21c0000 default_hugepagesz=1024m hugepagesz=1024m hugepages=2 pci=pcie_bus_perf root=PARTUUID=30303030-01 rw rootwait`
[21:11] <morganu> I dont have a script. I havent made scripts in bash (yet) ever. leftyfb
[21:11] <leftyfb> Alloysious: what hardware is this on?
[21:11] <Alloysious> aarch64
[21:11] <leftyfb> Alloysious: can you be more specific?
[21:12] <morganu> leftyfb,  (please cancel my question because I need to read this webpage.)
[21:14] <Alloysious> yea, it's a ARM system-ready board from solidrun, the lx2 (honeycomb)
[21:14] <Alloysious> ill try and find a link
[21:14] <morganu> leftyfb, this page is way beyond me. I remember a command that partially was $ find -exec cat  ---- I have a ton of pdf's in a directory. I want one pdf that is them all.
[21:14] <leftyfb> Alloysious: I have no idea how to fix uboot. Maybe wipe it and start over?
[21:14] <morganu> pdfunite didnt like my pdf's which were created on a mac.
[21:15] <Alloysious> fair enough
[21:15] <Bashing-om> morganu: For your thinking purpose - this channel is logged: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/05/22/%23ubuntu.txt .
[21:16] <leftyfb> morganu: I don't know that you're going to find an OSS/free program that will read any pdf and spit out text in any consistent/parsable manner
[21:16] <Alloysious> so I guess the answer is if you fail booting before systemd, you have no further information other than what has already been echoed to terminal?
[21:18] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: Do you have an init program in your kernel command line? If not, that would probably cause something like this.
[21:18] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: (At least, it did back when I was fighting with a similar issue, but I just remembered that modern Linux might not behave that way...)
[21:21] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: In my experience, these sort of problems are caused because of a missing root disk, a missing init program, or wonky hardware configuration. There might be other things that would cause the problem, but those are what I would look for first. If you can't find an sd*, mmcblk*, hd*, vd*, or nvme* device in your /dev, your system probably can't find the root disk.
[21:22] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: (The * is a placeholder - you'd actually find devices named things like sda, mmcblk0, hda, vda, nvme0, or stuff similar to that.)
[21:23] <Alloysious> Hmm.. I will investigate. I doubt its related to root disk, as it's booting from it (and I see `Mounted root (ext4 filesystem)` before crash), but something after that makes the kernel very unhappy
[21:25] <Alloysious> I guess it must be some firmware or other init issue
[21:31] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: As odd as it may sound, it's entirely possible for the bootloader to be able to access the disk, but the kernel not. The bootloader loads the kernel from disk, the kernel loads, and then the kernel can't find the very disk it was loaded from. I've had this happen to me in Puppy Linux within a VM. However, since you see the bit about "Mounted root (ext4 filesystem)", that sounds unlikely. You could try adding something like "init=/sbin/init
[21:31] <arraybolt3> " to the kernel command line on the off-chance that it does the trick, or even try "init=/bin/bash" to see if you can get a root shell that way.
[21:44] <ice9> screen recording doesn't work in wayland right?
[21:57] <arraybolt3> Alloysious: According to Solidrun's website, it looks like OpenSUSE Leap and Fedora are officially supported so far. You might be able to take a peek at what they're doing (kernel command line, relevant config files, logs, etc), and try to make Ubuntu do that. If you want to use Ubuntu.
[22:59] <morganu> question: I dont want to get help with UBUNTU, I want help in looking for an ubuntu app. Is this the right place to ask for an app to manage my photos. I want TAGS.
[23:01] <mrzombie> hello, I have an oddly specific question. I'm trying to determine if there's a file in ubuntu that will say my detailed memory specs
[23:01] <axelsosalty> gThumb is pretty useful and it allows you to use tags
[23:03] <sarnold> mrzombie: try: sudo dmidecode -t memory
[23:03] <sarnold> morganu: maybe shotwell?
[23:04] <mrzombie> sarnold, I can't issue commands, I'm examining my ubuntu partition separately
[23:04] <mrzombie> maybe i could chroot?
[23:04] <morganu> axelsosalty, sarnold will check. I have an ooold iphone twas a gift and their photos are (thumb down)
[23:04] <mrzombie> but i feel like that would give me the current memory specs
[23:05] <sarnold> mrzombie: or whatever OS you're running, install their version of dmidecode?
[23:06] <morganu> and Bashing-om leftyfb thanks I see your 14:15 comments now.
[23:07] <leftyfb> mrzombie: cat /proc/meminfo
[23:07] <mrzombie> leftyfb, I opened that directory and it was empty
[23:08] <leftyfb> mrzombie: that isn’t a file on your old system, it’s on the running system
[23:08] <leftyfb> mrzombie: your hard drive does not store hardware specs
[23:09] <mrzombie> maybe i should explain my issue. I have two ram chips, and i'm trying to figure out what slot i had them in before i briefly removed them. so i imaged this partition, and restored in vmware, so i was hoping there would be a log somewhere where it will tell me the slot configuration
[23:10] <mrzombie> lefty, i think you shot my idea down if there's no logs of hardware specs
[23:14] <leftyfb> mrzombie: correct
[23:16] <arraybolt3> mrzombie: I don't think you'll need to do this. If the RAM works and is recognized at its full speed and full capacity in the order you have them in, you should be good to go. If something's awry, mess with what sticks go in what slots until it works.
[23:16] <mrzombie> the full issue is that i have windows 10 on the other partition that is hibernated.
[23:17] <mrzombie> so i believe it will crash if i don't have the same configuration, or in best case scenario throw an error and not boot.
[23:17] <leftyfb> mrzombie: hibernation is saved to the hard drive, not memory
[23:17] <leftyfb> It has nothing to do with memory
[23:18] <mrzombie> leftyfb, right but if i restore from it, it will expect the same exact memory
[23:18] <arraybolt3> mrzombie: I find that unlikely, given how hibernation works, but possible. If you're really worried, copy the hibernation file (or better yet, take an image of the entire Windows partition), and place it on an external hard drive, then try to boot. If it fails, you can restore anything that got mangled, switch stuff around, and try again.
[23:18] <leftyfb> It only expects enough memory to run the loaded applications
[23:19] <leftyfb> It doesn’t care about the type of memory or the banks they are in
[23:19] <mrzombie> you mean windows right? because ubuntu is not the one that's hibernated
[23:20] <leftyfb> I mean either of them
[23:20] <arraybolt3> mrzombie: Hibernation just saves your RAM contents to a file. In theory, memory stick positioning won't matter, as long as the file can be loaded back into RAM correctly.
[23:20] <leftyfb> Either way, at this point we are off topic for this channel
[23:21] <arraybolt3> I'm open to a direct chat if you need further support.
[23:21] <leftyfb> Or try #windows
[23:22] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Wow, didn't think #windows would be a thing, given Libera.Chat's purpose. Cool, and possibly good to know.
[23:23] <mrzombie> wait, i just ran a dmesg command and seems like it shows some relevant info
[23:23] <mrzombie> isn't that logged every boot?
[23:23] <leftyfb> mrzombie: no
[23:23] <leftyfb> Well
[23:23] <leftyfb>  /var/log/kern.log
[23:24] <leftyfb> But that won’t tell you memory bank orders
[23:24] <arraybolt3> mrzombie: You might have archived dmesg logs, but I dunno if that will help (unless you can make sense of the BIOS physical memory map, if that provides the data)
[23:25] <leftyfb> mrzombie: as you’ve been told. It doesn’t matter anyway
[23:25] <leftyfb> Just boot it
[23:25] <mrzombie> holy crap my kern.log is 500mb haha, alright, i think i'll give it a shot now that i have the full image
[23:25] <sarnold> zounds