[01:13] <slimjimflim> hi, i just ran `sudo apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade` with no errors, rebooted and now my usb logitech m525 mouse will point but not click. can anyone help?
[01:14] <CanadianFool> slimjimflim, tried another mouse??
[01:14] <slimjimflim> CanadianFool: i don't have one handy
[01:14] <slimjimflim> i did replace the batteries
[01:15] <slimjimflim> it kinda sometimes works. yea it could be a hardware issue but it's weird that this just started happening after i ran the upgrade
[01:16] <slimjimflim> the right click works better than the left
[01:16] <slimjimflim> also i always run this one command to disable the touchpad when i start up...i'm on a laptop...
[01:18] <Some_Person> Is there a supported way to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04? Oddly, do-release-upgrade and the like is saying there's no newer LTS version
[01:19] <sarnold> lts -> lts upgrades aren't enabled until the .1 release
[01:19] <sarnold> if you want to jump now, you can run do-release-upgrade -d
[01:19] <oerheks> with 22.04.1 it will be enabled
[01:19] <oerheks> as usual
[01:19] <Some_Person> Ah, thank you
[01:24] <khushiram> hello
[01:25] <khushiram> hi
[01:25] <sarnold> hi
[01:25] <khushiram> where are you from
[01:26] <slimjimflim> sry had to reboot. idk if anyone responded to my keyboard/mouse issue in the last 5 min or so
[01:26] <khushiram> what issue
[01:26] <slimjimflim> it's kinda working now
[01:26] <khushiram> ok it fine
[01:26] <slimjimflim> khushiram: the left mouse button wasn't clicking and now my keyboard's being werid too. i'm using xmonad
[01:26] <khushiram> where are you live
[01:27] <khushiram> hello polo
[01:27] <slimjimflim> why does it matter where i live?
[01:27] <oerheks> slimjimflim,  on what ubuntu version / kernel?
[01:27] <slimjimflim> oerheks: one sec...
[01:27] <khushiram> no matter but i ask you
[01:27] <slimjimflim> goddamn indians. every time
[01:28] <oerheks> !ot
[01:28] <khushiram> yes i am indian
[01:28] <slimjimflim> oerheks: i forgot the command to get the ubuntu version/kernel
[01:29] <slimjimflim> oh 20.04.4
[01:29] <slimjimflim> `cat /etc/issue` ftr
[01:30] <slimjimflim> the mouse might be working now but it's been on and off for the last 5-15 minutes
[01:31] <slimjimflim> idk if there's an error log to check or something to look for in it
[01:31] <khushiram> slimjimflim , i am new user of linux . i don't know about linux . please help
[01:31] <slimjimflim> no
[01:31] <khushiram> why
[01:31] <slimjimflim> come back when you have a specific question
[01:31] <khushiram> yes
[01:31] <sarnold> khushiram: you may find this useful https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
[01:31] <oerheks> journalctl | grep logitech
[01:32] <slimjimflim> anyway normal people, i'm gonna carry on and see if i can make it break again. it's mostly working now i think
[01:32] <slimjimflim> oerheks: ohok
[01:34] <slimjimflim> oerheks: that command is taking way longer to complete than expected
[01:34] <slimjimflim> still waiting
[01:35] <slimjimflim> maybe if i use `less` and `/` to search for 'logitech'......
[01:35] <khushiram> Before,i was window user. when i switch to linux.than i face a problem
[01:35] <khushiram> my lapop speaker not working. what i do?
[01:36] <sarnold> slimjimflim: it's probably searching through a few gigabytes of logs.. starting over with less might not go much faster
[01:36] <sarnold> khushiram: most problems like that can be solved by running pavucontrol and clicking around a bit
[01:36] <slimjimflim> oerheks: https://pastebin.com/tWpYHyuX
[01:36] <slimjimflim> sarnold: ^
[01:38] <slimjimflim> my mouse seems to be working now. i'm guessing it was some kind of hardware issue or if it was software it fixed itself...testing more things. brb
[01:38] <sarnold> https://termbin.com/mqrao  .. it seems to connect *very* often.. unless all those are reboots or something? heh
[01:38] <oerheks> we do have a nice wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[01:41] <slimjimflim> yea. my mouse is working fine for now. thanks for your help guys. i'll come back if i have further issues with it. :D
[01:42] <slimjimflim> ...even though the actual issue is unknown and none of us actually changed anything on my system lolol
[01:42] <sarnold> good luck, I hope it was just a temporary tantrum of some sort
[01:42] <sarnold> I don't like not knowing what causes problems :(
[01:42] <slimjimflim> yea probably
[01:42] <slimjimflim> well if it happens again i'll just light my mouse on fire with some gasoline
[01:44] <sarnold> solid plan :)
[01:48] <Hash> I have chrome installed as default broser and in also update alternatives
[01:48] <Hash> but when I click links in Gtk apps, like discord or smoething, it opens in firefox.
[01:48] <Hash> Why is that? and how can I change to chrome
[01:49] <ablyss> Hash, tried settings >> default apps ?
[01:49] <Hash> I use Xmonad over ubuntu, not any gui stuff
[01:50] <Hash> I do have KDE systemsettings5
[01:50] <Hash> I see firefox is etup in there
[01:50] <Hash> good hint bro
[01:50] <Hash> lets see
[01:51] <sarnold> Hash: is it gtk apps or is it snap apps? I think those don't handle it well. there's a bunch of tips on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/default-browser-not-used-from-within-snap/4347/28 that look like they help people, but I don't know which ones to suggest to you to try
[01:55] <Hash> that worked.
[01:55] <Hash> I use Kubuntu but only for KDE apps
[01:55] <Hash> QT apps, and not for gui. I use Xmonad then
[02:33] <jhutchins> slimjimflim: Gunpowder's nice.  Smells better.
[02:34] <jhutchins> harveypwca: there's an x-browser or something variable you have to set, it's separate from xdg and the environment variables.
[02:34] <jhutchins> harveypwca: Sorry, vanishing querent.
[02:44] <kubuntu> hi guys! i v install touch egg for my touchpad, and now i would like to configure it to move through virtual screens
[02:45] <kubuntu> I can do this by registering a shortcut for each touch movement, I am on kde question, how do I configure the shortcuts to move on the screens?
[02:45] <kubuntu> thanks to who will answer me
[02:48] <sarnold> kubuntu: the #kubuntu channel may be better, there's probably more kde users in there
[02:52] <kubuntu> Thanks for the reply. I also wrote about #kubuntu but unfortunately no one answers. I'll take some patience, I was hoping that the configuration of the shortcuts was similar on more or less all the distros based on ubuntu. As you will have understood, I am a noob...discovering the magnificent open source world
[02:52] <sarnold> oh :(
[02:52] <kubuntu> XD
[02:53] <sarnold> it's late friday in the americas, the middle of the night in europe..
[02:53] <sarnold> it's pretty quiet everywhere
[02:56] <Some_Person> I just upgraded to 22.04. I have nvidia graphics. Is it expected that I have no option to use Wayland on the login screen?
[02:57] <kubuntu> i know and u'r right but you are awake like me sarnold :-P
[02:57] <sarnold> kubuntu: *nod* I'm hoping to finish work soon, though :)
[02:57] <kubuntu> you just don't know how I could do it?
[02:57] <sarnold> Some_Person: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1968929
[02:58] <sarnold> kubuntu: sorry, I don't know anything about configuring gestures
[02:58] <sarnold> kubuntu: I go the other direction, I use i3wm and the firefox 'tridactyl' plugin, so I can try to use the mouse less ;)
[02:58] <Some_Person> sarnold: Hmm... that bug's labeled "Fix Release"?
[03:00] <kubuntu> ok thanks
[03:00] <sarnold> Some_Person: maybe it's a phased update? try running sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade  from the command line. I hope that bypasses phasing.
[03:01] <jhutchins> Might need full-upgrade
[03:02] <Some_Person> All packages are up to date.
[03:02] <kubuntu> Some_Person: the only thing that i know about nvidia driver is that i have an rtx 3080 and im using nouveau cause with nvidia after waking up from hibernation all my tre monitor they go to be freez I go the other direction, I use i3wm and the firefox 'tridactyl' plugin, so I can try to use the mouse less ;)e
[03:02] <Some_Person> nouveau in 20.04 didn't work with my monitor's full resolution, so I had to use nvidia
[03:03] <Some_Person> It works with that
[03:06] <Some_Person> I've also just noticed... half of my screen doesn't look right in some cases. Like, the desktop background isn't right
[03:12] <Some_Person> https://i.imgur.com/sq6ql9g.jpg
[03:12] <Some_Person> This isn't right
[03:12] <Some_Person> (and it doesn't show up in screenshots)
[03:13] <Some_Person> It's like there's a seam down the middle of my screen, and it's not the screen because it's fine in Windows
[03:14] <sarnold> oh weird
[03:15] <sarnold> I've burned in similar stuff in my monitor, since I usually have firefox on the right side, irssi on the left side..
[03:15] <Some_Person> it wasn't like that in 20.04
[03:15] <sarnold> what happens with a full screen application?
[03:15] <Some_Person> can you give an example of what I should run?
[03:16] <sarnold> firefox or chrome
[03:16] <sarnold> full screen it, load something boring and plain like google.com or bing.com and see what happens there
[03:17] <Some_Person> sarnold: It still shows up in Chrome in full screen
[03:17] <sarnold> cool
[03:18] <sarnold> Some_Person: I think filing a bug report against gnome-shell would be a reasonable starting point; I don't actually have confidence that that's the right package, but the people who follow that package's bugs will have a good idea where it should go, and apport will collect some graphics-useful stuff
[03:27] <Some_Person> sarnold: I've done a bit of experimenting. If I set the resolution to 3840x2160 or lower, the problem goes away. I only have the problem at 5120x2880
[03:28] <sarnold> Some_Person: oh *interesting*. I wonder if that means it could be fixed with a more capable cable or monitor or video card..
[03:29] <Some_Person> sarnold: I didn't have this problem in 20.04, and still don't in Windows, so I don't think this is a hardware issue.
[03:29] <sarnold> Some_Person: oh right!
[03:29] <Some_Person> The monitor is connected via Thunderbolt
[03:29] <sarnold> man it's the most friday of fridays, hehe
[03:40] <Some_Person> sarnold: I managed to get it to go away. In Settings -> Color, I disabled the color profile from my monitor. Logged out and logged back in, and it looks normal now
[03:47] <sarnold> Some_Person: oh sweet!
[03:47] <sarnold> Some_Person: thanks for reporting back :D
[03:47] <Some_Person> sarnold: There's some other oddness too. If I enable Night Light, it only affects the right half of my screen
[03:48] <sarnold> Some_Person: probably the same cause.. quite a lot of the very big monitors are done as two monitors side-by-side .. it might be that the applications think they're running on just one screen
[03:50] <Some_Person> sarnold: Thinking about it, that actually makes sense. My setup is a bit weird. I have a TB cable going from the monitor to a TB card, and then there are 2 DP connections between the TB card and the GPU
[03:50] <sarnold> Some_Person: oooooooo
[03:50] <sarnold> neat :)
[03:51] <Some_Person> If I disconnect one of the DP cables, it's limited to 3840x2160
[03:51] <sarnold> Some_Person: I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what to suggest to do about it
[03:52] <Some_Person> Ubuntu correctly recognizes it as one monitor, but I guess some bits don't?
[03:53] <sarnold> yeah; I thikn it's still worth a bug report :) I don't know what would be done, but when it used to work before...
[03:53] <sarnold> it's time for me to head out, have a good weekend Some_Person :)
[03:53] <Some_Person> you too!
[04:04] <Some_Person> I'm still not sure why I don't have the option for Wayland
[04:04] <Some_Person> I do have gdm3 42.0-1ubuntu7
[04:06] <oerheks> as there are no open drivers for nvidia, they are just released for a small number of cards, and wil not appear in this LTS.
[04:06] <Some_Person> huh? what?
[04:07] <oerheks> there is a egl-wayland package... but i don;t know why or what about it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/egl-wayland
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Some_Person: Nvidia directed we pull their proprietary driver on Wayland. See too: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-R515-Wayland-State .
[04:14] <Some_Person> I figured it out. Had to switch to the newest Nvidia driver in "Additional Drivers". Now I have the option for Wayland
[04:15] <Some_Person> Under Wayland though, it looks like my display is incorrectly recognized as 2 separate displays. So I'm probably better off with X11 unless there's a way to fix it
[04:19] <nerd123> nickserv saya i have too many accounts, i havent used this in atleast a year. how do i clear out the old accounts?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> !libera | nerd123
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> hmm maybe someone should add #libera to that
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> !register | nerd123
[04:21] <Unit193> Well that's not useful for him, at all...
[04:21] <Unit193> nerd123: Try to find in your email old registrations and see if you know the password?
[04:24] <Unit193> If/when you get it, try /ns listownmail  and use group instead of register?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> Unit193: nickserv issues dont belong in #libera ?
[04:27] <Unit193> lotuspsychje: He said "I can't register, it comes back with an error" and the factoid is "Try registering".  So not specifically helpful here, no. :)
[04:27] <dirtcastle> my pc takes 2 minutes to startup. it says it will take 1m30s coz start job is running.
[04:28] <Unit193> "We can't really help you on that too much, but #libera is a great place to find help with registrations" would suffice, sure.
[04:28] <Unit193> dirtcastle: Which job?  systemd-analyze has a nice blame feature if you haven't already seen it.
[04:39] <Some_Person> I've also just noticed Cheese only shows a black screen. Oddly, it works if I open it with sudo.
[04:39] <Some_Person> Other applications seem to be able to access my camera without issue
[04:42] <bsmith0931> i cant seem to get my screen to stop going black every 30seconds of iactivity
[04:42] <bsmith0931> just clean installed ubuntu 22.04
[06:03] <dirtcastle> Unit193: what is that ? what does it do
[06:06] <oerheks> systemd-analyze, easy to find > systemd-analyze blame
[06:06] <oerheks> systemd-analyze plot > something.svg
[06:14] <gishfan> Hi
[06:53] <jyan> Hello
[06:53] <CanadianFool> hello
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome jyan
[06:53] <jyan> Can I ask something?
[06:54] <CanadianFool> of course
[06:54] <jyan> I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 and I am upgrading to Ubuntu 20.04
[06:54] <jyan> The only problem is im using the Unity Desktop
[06:54] <jyan> Its not gonna mess anything up right?
[06:55] <CanadianFool> I'm trying my best but I don't know what unity desktop is.
[06:55] <CanadianFool> I'm better with ffmpeg...
[06:55] <jyan> Wha--
[06:55] <CanadianFool> lol
[06:55] <oerheks> We hope not, jyan
[06:55] <CanadianFool> i'm windows user trying to ... merge to linux..
[06:55] <jyan> Unity is the default Ubuntu desktop from 2011 to 2017
[06:55] <CanadianFool> ohh
[06:55] <CanadianFool> like xfce for lubuntu?
[06:56] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/unity
[06:56] <jyan> And in 2018 to 2022 Ubuntu started using Gnome Desktop
[06:56] <CanadianFool> I'll read about that
[06:56] <oerheks> it is still available, just no longer standard.
[06:56] <jyan> Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.. those are the Ubuntu Flavours
[06:56] <CanadianFool> I think that if you update your os, it will keep using the same desktop environment...
[06:57] <CanadianFool> but someone else might confirm...
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> upgrade to 20.04 wont keep unity i think
[06:57] <jyan> Ok then
[06:57] <CanadianFool> hmmm. it's perhaps time to test the crap in virtualbox
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> unless you were installing unity-desktop package yourself on 18.04?
[06:58] <CanadianFool> jyan, u know how to do that
[06:58] <jyan> Yes
[06:58] <jyan> I ran 'sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop'
[06:58] <jyan> and removed gnome-shell
[06:58] <oerheks> lotuspsychje, why not?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> jyan: upgrades will respect your installed packages, unless the target upgrade wants the package out
[06:58] <CanadianFool> jyan,  install in vbox your previous os with unity, take a snapshot and from there mess around...
[06:58] <jyan> Ohh
[06:59] <jyan> Im not in vbox...
[06:59] <jyan> Im dualbooting
[06:59] <oerheks> as long there is no PPA used ..
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah if you installed yourself it will remain indeed
[06:59] <jyan> Ok then
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: but lets say it was a unity remaining from xenial?
[06:59] <CanadianFool> jyan vbox is a must... lol for testing purposes only if u want...
[06:59] <oerheks> meh vbox is slow, better use KVM virt manager
[07:00] <CanadianFool> I quickly pop an iso in there and I know what i'm dealing with
[07:00] <oerheks> kvm is already in the kernel
[07:00] <CanadianFool> oerheks, you're right i'm just not familiar with it. i'm from windows...
[07:00] <CanadianFool> and microsoft have as well its own virtual pc thing and I just dropped it for vbox..
[07:03] <jyan> Well the software updater finished downloading
[07:03] <jyan> Its now installing
[07:03] <jyan> And im gonna reboot
[07:03] <jyan> Bye for now
[07:42] <Multbrelch> tomreyn, are you still there? The ubuntu install failed ...
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> Multbrelch: best to re-ask your issie into the channel, so other volunteers can pickup from where tomreyn left
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> *issue
[07:42] <Multbrelch> k
[08:10] <ahc> In a bit of trouble. I wonder if anyone can help.
[08:10] <MinusSeven> I can try
[08:11] <ahc> I accidently did apt-get upgrade, was 18.04 is now saying Welcome to 20.  Won't sign-on.
[08:12] <ahc> I can get to the Alt-F1 login and password, so I'm at a prompt now.
[08:12] <ahc> Oops Alt-F2 gets me to a command-line. Alt-F1 is stalled ..
[08:12] <MinusSeven> I'm not 100% sure, but can you login as root?
[08:13] <ahc> Maybe not. I used sudo extensively. Not su ..  But I can try a sudo command
[08:14] <ahc> Yes, sudo commands work
[08:16] <madsquirrel> So what is the problem, you can't login to desktop environment?
[08:16] <MinusSeven> maybe wait for someone else to help, but I'm thinking if you can set your password again, it might fix it
[08:16] <ahc> So at power-up, the Ubuntu 20 signs on muchly, mostly. Last lines are  Started Session c1 of user gdm. Started User Manager for UID 121. Started Update UTMP about system runlevel Chenges .. pleted.. startup.ures ..
[08:17] <ahc> Yes, freezes when trying to log in to desktop environment. Freezes at lines above.
[08:18] <ahc> I could try typing Gnome or something. Not really sure.
[08:20] <ahc> Last lines of the sign-on are sure weird.  ...pleted startup.ures.... and stops there
[08:21] <MinusSeven> I'm not sure how to help with that one, sorry
[08:21] <ahc> Yes. I should have made a rescue USB. Maybe if I boot from a Ubuntu 20 USB, I can .. repair or something.
[08:21] <MinusSeven> isn't there control alt F4 ?
[08:22] <ahc> Yes, asks for Login etc. I'll try that.
[08:22] <madsquirrel> Is your Grub visible at startup?
[08:22] <madsquirrel> Run system in multi-user mode
[08:22] <madsquirrel> by editing grub line started with linux
[08:22] <madsquirrel> systemd.unit=multi-user.mode
[08:23] <madsquirrel> Log in as user
[08:23] <madsquirrel> sudo su -
[08:23] <madsquirrel> perform full upgrade
[08:23] <madsquirrel> apt-get update
[08:23] <madsquirrel> apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:23] <madsquirrel> Is this laptop or PC?
[08:23] <madsquirrel> nvidia?
[08:23] <madsquirrel> what about graphic drivers?
[08:23] <ahc> Its a desktop. 64bit AMD
[08:24] <ahc> I don't know about Grub too much.
[08:24] <jyan> Well
[08:24] <jyan> that upgrade took a little long lol
[08:25] <ahc> When I (wrongly) did apt-get upgrade, it took half an hour loading packages then installing. I waited.
[08:25] <jyan> Mine took an hour and half upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04 to Ubuntu 20.04
[08:25] <jyan> lol
[08:25] <jyan> And im gonna missn the old Unity Desktop
[08:26] <ahc> Was it Unity with 18.04? Maybe that's what I'm missing.
[08:26] <jyan> Yea--
[08:27] <jyan> ahc: BTW what Desktop Environment are you using?
[08:27] <ahc> Welcome to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS .. x86_64, is what its saying at the Alt-F4 login
[08:27] <jyan> Oh
[08:27] <ahc> Not sure what it was on my old 18.04, sorry
[08:27] <jyan> So your are using the April 2022 Version
[08:27] <ahc> Not KDE. So Gnome I guess.
[08:27] <jyan> Nice but
[08:28] <jyan> I think I will upgrade mine to 22.04 later
[08:28] <jyan> lol I dont want to spend another hour updating
[08:28] <MinusSeven> i have 22.04, but that was a fresh install
[08:29] <ahc> So, that's an option. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> lets keep it ontopic guys aka support related questions
[08:29] <ahc> and hope for the best
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-offtopic & #ubuntu-discuss for chitchat
[08:29] <jyan> Ok
[08:30] <ahc> I have the old 18.04 install USB. I'm a little hesitant about booting from that.
[08:30] <jyan> Nah
[08:30] <jyan> it should be fine
[08:30] <jyan> since its a Live USB
[08:31] <jyan> You can use 18.04 if you boot into that USB
[08:31] <jyan> BTW Lets chat somewhere else
[08:31] <ahc> But what then? A dist upgrade to 22.04 seems wrong. A 22.04 install seems wrong.
[08:32] <ThinkT510> 18.04 will only be supported for another year
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> or to be payed continued with !esm
[08:32] <jyan> ThinkT510 Yea thats why I upgraded to 20.04
[08:32] <jyan> Since some apps are outdated
[08:32] <ahc> So to sum up, I've "upgraded" to 22.04, but the desktop environment stalls doesn't come up.
[08:33] <jyan> wdym?
[08:33] <jyan> The default Desktop Environment on 22.04 is GNOME 42
[08:33] <ahc> OK. Gnome 42 doesn't sign on for me.
[08:34] <jyan> Did you install another Desktop Environment?
[08:34] <ahc> No.
[08:35] <jyan> So you cant enter Gnome 42?
[08:35] <jyan> Try to enter TTY and reinstall it with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop gnome-shell'
[08:36] <ahc> That's an idea
[08:37] <ahc> Doesn't really explain why it freezes after booting, after all the sign-ons logs or whatever
[08:38] <ahc> What's the difference between Alt-F4 and Alt-F1 when logging in? I don't know.
[08:39] <jyan> Alt+F4 is for closing stuff
[08:39] <madsquirrel> tty1 -tty6 reserverd for text, many years ago
[08:39] <ahc> Exited out of Alt-F4, so am at a prompt at Alt-F2 now
[08:39] <madsquirrel> graphical tty7
[08:39] <jyan> Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter TTY
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> !tty
[08:40] <madsquirrel> tty 1 - tty6 differs nothing
[08:40] <madsquirrel> the same
[08:40] <madsquirrel> lightdm starts as I remember on tty1
[08:40] <madsquirrel> but in Ubuntu may be other
[08:40] <ahc> Looking at the Alt-F1 sign-on, it seems it was starting Gnome there just before it froze
[08:40] <madsquirrel> you have GDM
[08:40] <ahc> yes GDM
[08:41] <madsquirrel> Do you have separate partition, mounted on /home
[08:41] <madsquirrel> ?
[08:41] <ahc> I don't thinks so. few partitions. Only the one HDD
[08:42] <jyan> Are you dualbooting or is it just Ubuntu installed?
[08:42] <ahc> Perhaps I could try gdm at the alt-F4 prompt, although I doubt it'd pick up my user profile
[08:42] <ahc> Just ubuntu installed
[08:43] <ahc> One option, might be to boot on a 20.04 USB, then, .. well I don't know what then.
[08:44] <jyan> Try booting into a Live 22.04 USB and Reinstall from there
[08:45] <jyan> also you can back up your files by connecting another USB and using the Live Environment to copy them to that USB
[08:45] <jyan> Sorry if I made it complicated
[08:45] <ahc> Yes, that's all I can think of.
[08:45] <jyan> but I hope you get my idea
[08:45] <jyan> Well then go ahead
[08:45] <madsquirrel> copy all personal data, /home/USERNAME/
[08:45] <madsquirrel> There are documents, images, etc
[08:46] <madsquirrel> firefox profile, thunderbird, other
[08:46] <madsquirrel> etc.
[08:46] <ahc> yeah, all those dot folders with the setups. Cripes.
[08:46] <jyan> Yep
[08:46] <madsquirrel> copy them to external drive, and just make fresh install
[08:46] <madsquirrel> For future: use apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:47] <madsquirrel> apt-get upgrade may lead to held packages, etc.
[08:47] <ahc> Well, I do wonder if apt-get dist-upgrade might not be an option now.
[08:48] <madsquirrel> yes, it might be an option
[08:50] <ahc> Alt-F3 is tty3, Alt-F4 is tty4. I am at tty2 now I guess, login and password gets me to a prompt there.
[08:51] <ahc> tty1 or Alt-F1 I can see is stalled, frozen, at the GDM setup
[08:54] <ahc> Well, I'll get a 20.04 on USB, will boot from there, and have a look around.
[08:55] <ahc> I saw somewhere Synaptic can export a list of all the installed packages.
[08:56] <ahc> But really its the Firefox info and maybe the Evolution mails perhaps. I've got them exported and backed up, somewhat recently.
[09:01] <ahc> Thanks folks. Tomorrow is another day. USB drive copying home directory in case all else fails. Boot from a USB 20.04 and have a look around.
[09:02] <madsquirrel> copy all content of /home/USERNAME/
[09:02] <ahc> yep
[09:03] <jyan> Well then good luck reinstalling Ubuntu
[09:03] <jyan> You have nothing else to lose (except your files) so go for it
[09:04] <jyan> Ok then see ya guys later
[09:04] <ahc> Grr.  My mistake. I should have paused and chosen not to apt-get upgrade.
[09:04] <ahc> Thanks folks.
[09:08] <ahc> The apt-get upgrade clobbered my gdm and somehow did a dist-upgrade 18.04 to 20.04. Mind-boggling.
[09:10] <ahc> sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop gnome-shell    yes I do wonder if that might replace it. Mbe not available in 20.04 is a worry.
[11:56] <PowaBanga_> hi everybody
[11:56] <PowaBanga_> how can i find the mac address of a specific network ?
[12:15] <ravage> cat /sys/class/net/ens1f0/address
[12:26] <bene> :)
[12:30] <rob0> PowaBanga_: a MAC address identifies a specific hardware device on a network to which you have a physical network connection.  You cannot "see" MAC addresses outside your own physical network.
[12:31] <rob0> So "MAC address for a network" makes no sense.  This is an XY question.  What is the problem you are trying to solve by "finding the MAC address of a specific network"?
[12:32] <rob0> also, hmm, this is #ubuntu ... sounds like a question for #netfilter or #networking
[12:33] <rob0> I'm in #netfilter if you want to follow up there.
[12:33] <ravage> im not sure what else is to answer here
[12:33] <ravage> if he does not mean the mac of a specific interface the whole question makes no sense
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:41] <cbreak> so, let's see if upgrading to 2204 works or destroys my system :)
[12:43] <lsd|2> test
[12:43] <lsd|2> i have issues on wifi card on heavy load it drops connection
[12:43] <lsd|2> https://pastebin.com/MpAUF5mp
[12:47] <ravage> lsd|2, i had the same issue. https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce this helped
[12:48] <rob0> Why do you suspect the wireless adapter as the cause of this?  And what connections are dropped, under what kind of load?  You can't exceed the capacity of your wireless network.
[12:48] <rob0> is this a USB device?
[12:48] <lsd|2> rob0: all connections everything
[12:49] <lsd|2> no its cheapest laptop on market ideapa3 14ada05
[12:50] <lsd|2> sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[12:50] <lsd|2> then starts working again
[12:50] <rob0> Anyway, sounds like ravage is familiar with the device and problem.
[12:50] <ravage> my new laptop has this device yes
[12:51] <lsd|2> ravage: it means default driver is buggy in 22.04 but i will try your link
[12:52] <ravage> make sure you disable the dkms driver that comes with Ubuntu 22.04 before you install it
[13:05] <cbreak> hmm... why does firefox switch to a snap, but thunderbird doesn't? or does it, and no one used it to complain about it? :)
[13:18] <Maik> cbreak: kinda offtopic here but it was mozilla's decission from what i've heard.
[13:19] <Maik> and thunderbird is a community thing for years now, not Mozilla's anymore
[13:21]  * ogra points to https😕/snapcraft.i👋thunderbird ...
[13:21] <ogra> bah
[13:22] <Maik> cbreak: quote: "Why did we choose to make Firefox a snap? This decision was made in collaboration with Mozilla based on the quality of life improvements that snap delivers" https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-are-we-improving-firefox-snap-performance-part-1
[13:25] <cbreak> ogra: yeah, I saw that, but that's canonical's, while firefox snap is mozilla's.
[14:13] <PowaBanga_> rob0, thanks for the netfilter channel 🙂
[14:14] <rob0> yw
[14:14] <webchat92> How do I run x86 software on Ubuntu ARM
[14:32] <cbreak> updating to 22.04 seems to have worked. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1970066 hasn't hit me ... yet :D
[14:32] <cbreak> but somehow the new firefox doesn't preserve the selected icon
[15:21] <TheBigK> I have the following problem: When my Optical Drive (sata) is not under use, it gets accessed frequently (are atleast it does access sounds) and in kernel there are messages like this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/w3sgVmcsZn/ <- it does not happen when i access the drive... and the drive is working perfectly fine. Does anyone have any idea what that could cause? The main problem is not the messages in the kernel. The Main Problem is the constant noise it
[15:21] <TheBigK> makes when it this message gets printed. I rly googled a lot and i dont know what to look at exactly. It happens since around the upgrade to ubuntu 22.04 ... but it could also be happening before that. im not 100 % on that
[15:27] <llanhmod> where do I get autoreconf?
[15:32] <TheBigK> llanhmod: the binary? in autoconf
[15:32] <llanhmod> TheBigK: got it...thanks.
[15:32] <llanhmod> I had a slow moment...excuse me.
[15:33] <llanhmod> Haven't build anything from source in a while either
[16:50] <intenzfinit> hi
[16:50] <ThinkT510> greetings
[16:50] <intenzfinit> anyone knows how i can take standard output from cat and put it into mouse clipboard
[16:51] <enigma9o7[m]> well, you could select it and copy ;)
[16:51] <enigma9o7[m]> but I bet you meant an easier way
[16:51] <intenzfinit> yea
[16:51] <intenzfinit> it could be 2000 plus lines
[16:52] <intenzfinit> thanks in advance
[16:54] <oerheks> !info xsel
[16:54] <cbreak> intenzfinit: I have this alias  in my .zshrc: alias pbcopy="xclip -selection clipboard"
[16:56] <intenzfinit> niced
[16:56] <intenzfinit> it works
[16:56] <intenzfinit> thankls
[17:06] <cbreak> (it's called pbcopy because of the tool with that name on macos that does the same)
 hello, i connected a ardiono board to my ubuntu 22.04 system via usb. i wanted to play around with it using the ardiuno ide. sadly there are some usb connection problems. is did 'lsusb' and got the follow output: https://pastebin.com/1RqiJqTv there is nothing that point to ardiuno board or any micro controller am i right?
[17:35] <cbreak> gagat: I think you should see something like a tty
[17:37] <gagat> indeed im looking for tty* :)
[17:43] <hans_> is it a good time to upgrade ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 ?
[17:51] <cbreak> I upgraded from 21.10 to 22.04 yesterday. It worked ok.
[17:52] <cbreak> for the LTS, I think it's not yet been enabled
[17:52] <cbreak> (I think they wait for 22.04.1 or so)
[17:53] <luna> gonna be enabled 4th August
[17:53] <luna> but you can use -d
[17:53] <hans_> what's -d
[17:54] <hans_> anyway 4th august, gotcha, thanks
[17:55] <luna> development but maybe there is some other way to do it now, i don't use Ubuntu
[17:56] <hans_> anyway i just encountered a particularly annoying bug in Filezilla for 20.04 (filezilla 3.46.3) and i want a newer version of filezilla (for example ubuntu 22.04 use filezilla 3.58), any suggestions on how to get a more modern version of filezilla on 20.04 ?
[18:11] <enigma9o7[m]> numerous ways
[18:13] <enigma9o7[m]> The simplest is PPA.  https://launchpad.net/~xtradeb/+archive/ubuntu/apps
[18:15] <hans_> ubuntu 20.04's "apt purge filezilla" is broken, filezilla still remembers all saved website CREDENTIALS after a "purge"
[18:16] <enigma9o7[m]> purge doesnt delete stuff in your personal home folder
[18:16] <enigma9o7[m]> it only purges system wide stuff; so you'll need to delete user files yourself if you wanan reset it.  stuff in ~/.config and ~/.local/share
[18:16] <hans_> o i c, thanks
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> but if you add that ppa and then just run `sudo apt upgrade` it should do it automatic
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> no need to worry about old config, unless its broken or something
[18:17] <enigma9o7[m]> or you dont want it to remember that stuff
[18:31] <brk> sound crd not working, no sound / dummy output. Tried recommendations to reinstall pulseaudio and alsa, added and changed lines in alsa-base.conf, preinstalled ubuntu 22.04, installed the latest kernal 5.18 (but can't load -bad shim) .... can someone help please to put back the sound?
[18:33] <i-garrison> brk: did it ever worked for you before?
[18:34] <brk> yes, just right before i Installed some app from the store called - SimpleAgenda. then removed it but also removed GNUstep.
[18:34] <i-garrison> these are likely unrelated; please pastebin output of 'pa-info', run it as normal user not root
[18:35] <brk> before that just installed the usual security stuff like apparmor, fail2ban, clamav, rkhunter. etc.
[18:35] <brk> ok
[18:35] <brk> where to paste the output, its quite a lot
[18:36] <i-garrison> brk: dpaste.com or just run wgetpaste -c pa-info
[18:39] <Maik> brk: afaik the 5.18 kernel is not in the repo's of Ubuntu 22.04. If you installed it from outside the official repo's, which isn't recommended and at own risk, you're on your own.
[18:39] <brk> https://dpaste.com/C5CV8E3YC
[18:40] <brk> i installed it from the official repo.
[18:40] <brk> I am having the problem now with the kernal 5.15
[18:40] <Maik> which official repos.... because i can't find 5.18 at all
[18:41] <brk> kernal.ubuntu.com
[18:42] <Multbrelch> Hi all. I try to install Ubuntu 22.04 from a Live USB stick onto a HP Pavilion Aero (AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800U) without success. I could boot into Ubuntu from the USB only once in ‘save mode’! In most of the cases, I end up with a frozen Ubuntu loading page during the start of Ubuntu from the USB stick: https://ibb.co/HHhXDMy
[18:42] <brk> it says last modified 2022-05-22 20:57
[18:42] <Multbrelch> ESC shows the following outputs: https://ibb.co/tYDVHgW and afterwards: https://ibb.co/512vhJc
[18:43] <Multbrelch> I tried ‘nomode’ option manually typed into the grub preferences without success. Interesting is that Ubuntu 21.10 and Linux Mint 20.3 work out of the box.
[18:43] <Maik> brk: kernel.ubuntu;com doesn't show me anything but this https://kernel.ubuntu.com/
[18:44] <Maik> but afaik 5.18 is not yet supported
[18:44] <brk> Maik https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[18:44] <oerheks> oh mainline kernel, those are for testing only..
[18:44] <brk> Maik, perhaps, thats why doesn't load itself on startup.
[18:44] <oerheks> !mainline
[18:44] <Maik> brk: a ppa.... which means you're at own risk
[18:45] <brk> oh ok I see
[18:45] <i-garrison> brk: your ALSA has only one card so if you previously had more than one in pavucontrol your kernel is missing some alsa drivers now
[18:46] <oerheks> brk, boot back in 5.15, remove ~ /.config/pulse and restart;  systemctl --user restart pulseaudio
[18:46] <brk> i-garrison, how do I find missing related drivers for the sound card?  ( by the way, currently on the audio sorce it shows that the sound comes from the HDMI port)
[18:47] <brk> oerheks, ok, I didn't try that one, but will do, thanks
[18:48] <oerheks> if not, try the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[18:48] <i-garrison> brk: if you will have it working with 5.15 you can find out the right module there
[18:48] <i-garrison> * module name there
[18:49] <brk> i-garrison, I am with the 5.15 and not working
[18:49] <brk> I will try the recommendations and will be back after the restart
[18:51] <i-garrison> brk: did you changed any modprobe options for snd_* ? (there are lots in your latest paste, section Modprobe options (Sound related)) and do you have any /etc/asound.conf or user ~/.asoundrc ?
[18:52] <brk> i-garrison, yes i did, following ideas from ask.ubuntu.com
[18:52] <Multbrelch> When starting from the Ubuntu USB starter stick, must one have specific parameters switched off/onfor the BIOS?
[18:53] <oerheks> Multbrelch, on an UEFI system, disable fast boot, secureboot is oke
[18:53] <brk> i-garrison, I added options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0, and changed options snd-hda-intel model=generic (from auto to generetic)
[18:53] <oerheks> !uefi
[18:54] <i-garrison> brk: the dmic_detect=0 is a smoking gun actually so if you added that and it broke, revert it back and start again (with new pa-info)
[18:54] <oehman> secureboot is a must whit spec settings like this
[18:54] <oehman> sudo mokutil --sb-state
[18:54] <oehman> sudo openssl req -new -x509 -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout /var/tmp/MOK.priv -outform DER -out /var/tmp/MOK.der -days 36500 -subj "/CN=ubuntu/" -nodes
[18:54] <oehman> sudo mokutil --import /var/tmp/MOK.der
[18:54] <oehman> openssl x509 -in /var/tmp/MOK.der -inform DER -outform PEM -out /var/tmp/MOK.pem
[18:54] <oehman> sudo reboot
[18:56] <brk> i-garrison, so just to remove entirely the dmic detect from the file, and then paste again the pa-info?
[18:56] <oehman> and if you have uefi whit nvidia the following is like tis
[18:56] <oehman> this
[18:56] <i-garrison> brk: you will need to reload alsa driver, so rebootig might be easiest
[18:57] <oehman> echo "blacklist nouveau" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/disable-nouveau.conf
[18:57] <oehman> echo "options nouveau modeset=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/disable-nouveau.conf
[18:57] <oehman> sudo reboot
[18:57] <oehman> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[18:57] <oehman> sudo apt update
[18:57] <oehman> sudo apt install -y build-essential libc6:i386 gcc autoconf make libglvnd-dev pkg-config acpi
[18:58] <oerheks> !paste
[18:58] <oerheks> oehman ^ ^
[18:58] <oehman> okey
[18:59] <brk> i-garrison, ok
[18:59] <oerheks> i would not add i386 without proper reason.
[18:59] <oehman> needed for dependencies
[19:00] <oehman> offical nvidia
[19:00] <oehman> uefi only
[19:01] <oehman> sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-460.91.03.run -s --module-signing-secret-key=/var/tmp/MOK.priv --module-signing-public-key=/var/tmp/MOK.pem
[19:01] <aftix> `xsetwacom --list devices` shows a Huion tablet but the GNOME gui doesn't
[19:01] <brk> i-garrison, https://dpaste.com/6VR7ATJLF
[19:02] <Multbrelch> I have no 'fast boot', but I enabled now 'secure boot', let's see ...
[19:02] <oehman> gl
[19:02] <oerheks> err we have nvidia 460 in our repos
[19:02] <oehman> iknow but it's not spec for uefi systems
[19:03] <oehman> i get like 10 fps in cs whit ubuntu drivers and around 100 whit my settings that i posted
[19:03] <oerheks> yes they work. and your .run file does not give updates, bad.
[19:04] <Multbrelch> ... no chance, Ubuntu just does not want to start from the stick ... :-(
[19:04] <oehman> 91.03 is the latest
[19:04] <oerheks> 460-465-470-495-510 ...
[19:04] <enigma9o7[m]> 340 rules
[19:04] <oehman> i know but download the run file insted
[19:05] <oerheks> 460-91-03 we have it too
[19:05] <oehman> iknow
[19:05] <enigma9o7[m]> just dont run it
[19:05] <oehman> but on uefi system it's a no go
[19:05] <oerheks> good luck then, but please dont suggest to do this, his HP Pavilion Aero (AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800U)  seems not to have nvidia
[19:05] <i-garrison> brk: do you have anything from 'wpctl status' ?
[19:06] <oehman> with nvidias run file and my settings i get like 1000% better performance from my gpu
[19:07] <Multbrelch> Is the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800U generally well supported by Ubuntu?
[19:07] <i-garrison> brk: also do you have either  /etc/asound.conf or your user ~/.asoundrc ?
[19:07] <oerheks> Multbrelch, yes, so i wonder; is there a bios update available?
[19:08] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah amd64 cpus are generall well supported by ubuntu
[19:08] <Multbrelch> bios? you mean UEFI? oerheks
[19:08] <enigma9o7[m]> multbrelch, do you think saying that helped anything?
[19:08] <enigma9o7[m]> or just made you look like an asshole?
[19:08] <brk> i-garrison, https://dpaste.com/6KQU6N4DH
[19:09] <Multbrelch> enigma9o7[m], language plz, I thought that I only have a BIOS
[19:09] <Multbrelch> but then I got told that it is UEFI
[19:09] <Multbrelch> Can the two be existent?
[19:09] <oerheks> yes, by your vendor hp; to check current bios version commandline;  sudo dmidecode -s bios-version
[19:09] <enigma9o7[m]> my bad
[19:10] <brk> i-garrison, no asound.conf ... and I can't find .asoundrc either
[19:10] <i-garrison> brk: ok wpctl looks good so pipewire is running but not interfering with pulseaudio
[19:10] <Multbrelch> okay, oerheks, I still  have Linuxmint on the computer ... then I compare what HP says ...
[19:10] <oerheks> ... meh mint
[19:11] <Multbrelch> oerheks, is it that probable that it is be the BIOS?
[19:11] <oerheks> good luck. you should not have asked me.
[19:11] <oerheks> !mint
[19:11] <Multbrelch> oerheks, I had no other choice, Mint works ...
[19:11] <i-garrison> brk: was this also present last time sound worked? snd_hda_intel: model=generic
[19:11] <i-garrison> brk: maybe share the ask.ubuntu link that you followed
[19:13] <brk> i-garrison, I am not sure, but I remember snd_hda_intel ... I was just changing the model from generic to auto.
[19:13] <Multbrelch> oerheks, I use Mint to execute ' sudo dmidecode -s bios-version'
[19:13] <brk> i-garrison, I followed more than 10 topics over there. I was hoping with preinstalling ubuntu will fix the problem, but it didn't
[19:14] <brk> maybe if I installl windows, ot ubuntu 18 ... and then install again 22.04 ... could work?  as it was working after installing ubuntu 22.04 over windows 11
[19:16] <i-garrison> brk: no installing after windows won't help :) but maybe warm-booting after windows can affect this
[19:16] <brk> oerheks, I can't find .config/pulse to remove it
[19:16] <brk> "warm-booting after windows" ?
[19:17] <oehman> connectin to the server went down what did i miss
[19:19] <brk> i-garrison, perhaps I have missing drivers, but don't know how to find which ones and where do install them from
[19:19] <oehman> nvidia or amd
[19:20] <oehman> amd = mullins
[19:21] <brk> I will warm boot with coreboot, see if it helps
[19:24] <brk> I wont, seems something I have no clue about. :D
[19:33] <i-garrison> brk: ok at this point if 'options snd_intel_dspcfg dsp_driver=1' does not help you can try filing a bug as this is probably on huawei d15 and it has some driver issues atm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:35] <Multbrelch> oerheks, I checked the BIOS, I already have the newest. The laptop was bought very recently ...
[19:38] <Multbrelch> So, I compared the version on the HP site with the one from ''sudo dmidecode -s bios-version'
[19:38] <brk> i-garrison, is 'options snd_intel_dspcfg dsp_driver=1" one line option or is it two options to add in the alsa-base.conf?  as if its two lines, then what to include for snd_intel_dspcfg?
[19:39] <brk> at the moment I have only these two lines:
[19:39] <brk> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
[19:39] <brk> options snd-hda-intel model=generic
[19:41] <i-garrison> brk: yes append that line to be the third line
[19:41] <brk> and by the way I doubt its a driver issue, since I had sound on windows 11, then I installed ubuntu 22.04 and had sound too. Its just today I messed up something (oh yesterday I did VM with windows 10 LTSE, but still I think I had sound)
[19:41] <i-garrison> brk: wait, that should be 'options snd-intel-dspcfg dsp_driver=1'
[19:42] <brk> ok
[19:42] <brk> done, reboot? :_
[19:42] <brk> :)
[19:43] <i-garrison> brk: if sound worked until you did cold reboot (i.e. via powering off) then it is alsa driver issue which misses card initialization - in that case it was initialized by windows 11 and ubuntu just used that; was it the case?
[19:44] <i-garrison> brk: yes reboot it!
[19:44] <brk> I am not sure, I just installed ubuntu and it all worked. I did numerous power offs and once battery drained completely, but after each boot all sound worked
[19:46] <brk> well now I just have output device showing again HDMI / DyspleyPort - Build-in-audio
[19:46] <oehman> chaninging maybee
[19:47] <brk> and cannot connect my headphones anymore :D (but it was expected)
[19:47] <i-garrison> brk: check pa-info again, do you see more profiles in card now?
[19:47] <oehman> change to hdmi output
[19:47] <brk> ok
[19:49] <Multbrelch> If you all have no other ideas what I could possibly do I have to put aside Ubuntu 22.04 for the HP Pavilion Aero (AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800U). I'm at the end with my latin ...
[19:50] <Multbrelch> Strange though that I cannot boot with the stick ...
[19:50] <Multbrelch> ... it worked only once ...
[19:50] <oehman> use usb2 port
[19:51] <Multbrelch> ah, okay, I saw  that I can enable this in the BIOS ...
[19:51] <Multbrelch> I will try
[19:51] <Multbrelch> But what is then the explanation that it works? Bandwidth problems with USB 3?
[19:51] <Multbrelch> ... we will see ... mom
[19:51] <oehman> no driver issues
[19:52] <oehman> cross my finger and beg to god or what
[19:53] <brk> i-garrison, I am not sure, can't find it. can I | grep what I need?
[19:53] <brk> i-garrison, https://pastebin.com/LKHCQ1Jk
[19:54] <oehman> oibaf
[19:55] <i-garrison> brk: well now it is pipewire fighting with pulseaudio for audio devices :) there is a bug on launchpad about that; still alsa only shows hdmi as far as I can see
[19:55] <i-garrison> brk: soo just file a bug I think
[19:55] <brk> i-garrison, ok man, thanks for your time, will aslo file the bug
[19:56] <oehman> iobaf intel driver
[19:58] <oehman> oibaf even damn i'm to drunk
[19:59] <oehman> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[20:00] <brk> systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
[20:00] <oehman> enable secureboot
[20:05] <Multbrelch> oehman, ... well, it seems to be the same problem, even in safe graphics mode ...
[20:06] <oehman> how did you make the usb stick?
[20:06] <Multbrelch> I used balenaEtcher-1.7.9-x64
[20:06] <oehman> usb 2 port and you should have no problem not blue ones
[20:07] <oehman> make the stick in ubuntu usb startup disk creator
[20:07] <Multbrelch> During the boot, it sometimes reads 'A start job is running for Network Name Resolution' or 'for Userspace Out-Of-Memory' ...
[20:08] <Multbrelch> oehman, okay I will even do this now ... during the match ;-) I will report later
[20:08] <oehman> okey
[20:14] <oehman> +beer
[20:17] <backbox> plis
[20:28] <Multbrelch> Stick ready ... started and used 'Try and Install'. During boot, ESC to see boot info => many 'FAILED' msgs for 'Snap daemon', 'Snappy daemon', 'Thermal Daemon' etc.
[20:28] <Multbrelch> strange all this ...
[20:29] <Multbrelch> Now he is hanging with '(2 of 8) A start job is running for Network Manager' and almost all possible managers
[20:29] <Multbrelch> Does not look so good :-)
[20:30] <oehman> dasmn then i'm out of options
[20:30] <oehman> uefi or efi boot
[20:30] <Multbrelch> The more I try all this out the more I guess it is the new kernel ... uefi boot
[20:30] <Multbrelch> Ubuntu 21.10 worked very well!
[20:31] <oehman> try with brasero or someting use a disk
[20:31] <Multbrelch> I could go back to 21.10 and jump to 22.04 from there (I awlays wanted to avoid this) .... .
[20:31] <Multbrelch> oehman, you think it is the install on the USB stick?
[20:31] <oehman> yes
[20:32] <oehman> download full iso and burn to a disk
[20:32] <oehman> always better
[20:32] <Multbrelch> ... and then from CD
[20:32] <oehman> yes
[20:32] <Multbrelch> :-) old times
[20:32] <oehman> iknow but it solved my problems
[20:32] <Multbrelch> Tomorrow I give it a try ...
[20:32] <Multbrelch> k
[20:33] <Multbrelch> Is the USB stick may be too old?
[20:33] <oehman> dont think so
[20:33] <oehman> if its 1.1 or 2 i will work
[20:34] <Multbrelch> Funny to see, he is still trying, almost all fails, CUPS, Network, Thermal daemon, User, etc.
[20:34] <oehman> now i must be going outside for a beer
[20:34] <Multbrelch> oehman, you know, may be u r right, I also have no the feeling that it is usb ... when I start again, I will have defenitly different outputs ...
[20:35] <Multbrelch> Prost!
[20:35] <Multbrelch> thanks for all
[20:35] <oehman> thx
[20:35] <oehman> np
[20:35] <oehman> be back in a shot while
[20:35] <Multbrelch> k
[20:37] <oehman> give me the url to the iso you are trying to burn to that usb and then i will give it a try
[20:38] <oehman> brb
[20:38] <oerheks> why do yo hit escape, those are just warnings during boot live iso.
[20:38] <oerheks> waste of time, just be patient
[20:39] <Multbrelch> oerheks, well, they tell u if something is not going well
[20:40] <Multbrelch> oehman, https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=22.04&architecture=amd64
[20:52] <oehman> strange that iso and strup disk creator should be no problem
[20:52] <oehman> i'll give it a try downloding now
[20:54] <Multbrelch> oehman, no beer?
[20:55] <Multbrelch> Anyway, it is still burning on DVD
[20:55] <Multbrelch> Takes a long time ...
[20:57] <oehman> well i bought a pack of 6 beer's on the supermarket
[20:57] <Multbrelch> :)
[20:57] <Multbrelch> Prots
[20:57] <Multbrelch> Prost
[21:01] <Multbrelch> Can't believe it: error during burning, almost close to the end ... :-)
[21:01] <oehman> out of space? how any gb?
[21:02] <Multbrelch> 3.4 GB is the image
[21:02] <oehman> and the stick?
[21:04] <oehman> https://blog.desdelinux.net/en/complete-and-detailed-guide-with-dd-examples/
[21:05] <Multbrelch> oehman, my mistake, there was no space left on / for the tmp file during burning. ;-) I have restarted ... may be, I continue tomorrow
[21:05] <oehman> okey
[21:06] <Multbrelch> burning now
[21:07] <Guest795> !list
[21:09] <oerheks> Guest795, pssst, all torrents are here https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[21:22] <oehman> fdisk -l
[21:22] <oehman> sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx bs=4k
[21:25] <SherpaAB> Hey have a question on snap packages. Installed mysql workbench and I want to use a custom xml config file. I of course can't edit or replace the default under /snap* as its a locked filesystem. I have the /home/user/snap/mysql-workbench-community folder but not sure if I can use that to load a custom xml config file?
[21:31] <oerheks> SherpaAB, yes, i think so, maybe this page is any help; https://ubunlog.com/en/mysql-workbench-instacion-paquete-snap/ > snap connect mysql-workbench-community:removable-media  > to open your config from anywhere?
[21:33] <SherpaAB> ooh yeah maybe. I'll check that out thx
[21:42] <Multbrelch> oehman, I'm booting now from DVD ...
[21:42] <Multbrelch> ... let's see
[21:45] <oehman> ok good does it work
[21:46] <oehman> have been doing that dd thing on my usb
[21:46] <Multbrelch> No, nothing, he freezes ..
[21:46] <oehman> strange... bios settings?
[21:46] <Multbrelch> The Ubuntu wheel is turning and ... yes ... nothing :-)
[21:46] <Multbrelch> BIOS is not much what I can still change
[21:46] <jhutchins> Do I remember that you can validate a dd "burn" with md5sum?
[21:46] <cbreak> DVD :O
[21:47] <Multbrelch> I will try now 'save graphics mode'
[21:47] <cbreak> some USB stick doesn't work?
[21:47] <oehman> have been erasing just with urandom and doing a fat partition
[21:47] <oehman> clean as hell
[21:49] <bahamat> Is there no usb installer image that I can just use dd without needing some third party software I've never heard of that will need root access to write to a raw device?
[21:49]  * cbreak uses startup disk creator
[21:49] <cbreak> it's first party
[21:49] <cbreak> (part of ubuntu at least)
[21:49] <Multbrelch> cbreak, after many many tries I decided to burn 22.04 onto a DVD and to boot from there: nothing, I don't get into Ubuntu
[21:49] <bahamat> Not when all you have is a mac
[21:49] <cbreak> bahamat: then you can use balena etcher... dd might also work
[21:50] <jhutchins> bahamat: Requiring root to write directly to the device is part of the whole concept of restricted privileges.
[21:50] <cbreak> Multbrelch: using the 22.04 ubuntu desktop image?
[21:50] <bahamat> Yeah, I've never heard of etcher, and I'm not going to just start throwing around root access with software I've never heard of.
[21:50] <cbreak> have you tried the server installer image? that's much smaller and requries fewer GPU capabilities
[21:50] <jhutchins> bahamat: ... considering that you can destroy the system disk and user storage with that tool.
[21:50] <Multbrelch> Okay, to all of you: shall I report on some Ubuntu pages the problme with 22.04 and the HP Pavilion Aero (AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800U)?
[21:50] <Multbrelch> cbreak, yes the  ubuntu desktop image
[21:51] <oehman> must be bios setting try defaulting
[21:51] <cbreak> MacOS can't comprehend the result of dd-ing the ubuntu images onto an usb stick
[21:51] <cbreak> but when you look at them from an other OS, they seem fine
[21:51] <bahamat> jhutchins: Exactly why I'm not going to give root access to something I've never heard of before. dd on the other hand, I've used literally thousands of times and am 100% comfortable with.
[21:51] <cbreak> I think it's some problem with the way ubuntu butchers in BIOS support / MBR / ... that confuses MacOS
[21:52] <cbreak> it should still end up bootable via dd... in theory
[21:52] <bahamat> cbreak: As in it can't mount it afterward? That's exactly what I would expect.
[21:52] <cbreak> bahamat: it can't even give you proper devices from the partition table
[21:52] <cbreak> if you look at it via diskutil, it will show nonsense
[21:53] <cbreak> at least when I did that with 20.04 / 21.04, that's what I got
[21:53] <bahamat> So what? dd will do the right thing. Then mac says "this is uninitialized" and I click ignore, eject it and go about my business.
[21:53] <cbreak> nah, it'll just give you invalid partitions
[21:53] <cbreak> it shouldn't complain about uninitialized
[21:54] <cbreak> ... maybe it does... anyway, it should be bootable.
[21:54] <Multbrelch> Anyway, thanks for the help, thanks to you oehman  ... I have to stick to Mint now, quite annoying this ... cheers
[21:54] <bahamat> So...where's the usb image then?
[21:54] <oehman> use 20.04
[21:54] <oehman> just a hint
[21:55] <Multbrelch> yep but I wanted to have the newest
[21:55] <cbreak> bahamat: it's the normal .iso files
[21:55] <oehman> me also but i'm sticking with 20.04
[21:55] <cbreak> Multbrelch: I'd try the server iso, just to see if it boots
[21:55] <Multbrelch> I will see tomorrow ... may be I'm passing by because of 20.04 issues ... ;-)
[21:55] <bahamat> So I can dd the iso and it should work?
[21:55] <cbreak> if it does, you can install server ubuntu, and later `apt install kubuntu-desktop` to get a gui
[21:55] <cbreak> bahamat: indeed, yes
[21:56] <Multbrelch> cbreak, also an option yes ... tomorrow
[21:56] <Multbrelch> by bye folks
[21:56] <oehman> dont waste the disk
[21:56] <bahamat> Alright, I'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work, I guess it's netboot.xyz then.
[21:56] <oehman> always better
[21:57] <jhutchins> Just a side note: I seem to remember that Ubuntu install discs were not bootable in native Mac systems.
[21:57] <cbreak> bahamat: yeah, booting via ipmi is often more convenient
[21:58] <jhutchins> Never bothered to find out how you got around that, people obviously were able to install.
[21:58] <cbreak> jhutchins: I never tried to boot them in an actual mac
[21:58] <bahamat> cbreak: This one is a workstation.
[21:58] <cbreak> but images written from MacOS can be booted from on regular x86_64 computers
[21:58] <jhutchins> The server and desktop OS are the same.
[21:59] <cbreak> jhutchins: yeah, but the installer is different, and I think the server image has fewer requirements... at least I had fewer problems booting it
[21:59] <oehman> well netinst and then build essential and start from there
[21:59] <bahamat> I'm not installing it *on* a mac. I'm writing the installer *with* a mac.
[22:14] <gordonjcp> is anyone else seeing weird behaviour in Firefox, with file dialogues not appearing?
[22:14] <gordonjcp> in particular, I can't save PDFs
[22:14] <gordonjcp> and I can't attach files in Facebook messenger
[22:14] <gordonjcp> I've a strong suspicion it's because Gnome's file picker in 22.04 is fundamentally broken
[22:16] <cbreak> gordonjcp: or because of snap?
[22:16] <cbreak> maybe it isolates stuff too much
[22:16] <cbreak> have you tried saving / loading from / to `~/Downloads`?
[22:17] <oerheks> gordonjcp, is the filedialog hiding under the browser?
[22:17] <oerheks> here it moves auto to screen 2, annoying
[22:22] <gordonjcp> oerheks: no
[22:22] <gordonjcp> it doesn't work *at all*
[22:22] <gordonjcp> cbreak: why would snap affect it?
[22:22] <gordonjcp> cbreak: it *was* working, then after an update it wasn't
[22:26] <cbreak> the whole snap system is isolating the program. It might not allow firefox to access the filesystem. I had similar problems with Slack some time ago.
[22:26] <cbreak> There are permissions for snap applications in KDE's Discover, and probably other places too
[22:26] <cbreak> (like the snap store app)
[22:27] <oerheks> there are snap settings in gnome-settings
[22:27] <oerheks> but i did not need to touch it
[22:47] <ens> heya all i turned off bluetooth via the top right menu on gnome and it's not just disabled it... but it has vanished so i can't en-enable it
[22:48] <ens> i tried doing sudo service bluetooth restart but it still doesn't appear
[22:55] <oerheks> sudo rfkill list
[22:55] <oerheks> sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth
[22:56] <oehman> how do i get bluetooth audio in hi res using microphone?
[22:58] <oehman> playing cs and getting low quality sound when microphone is enabled
[22:58] <oerheks> for mic i dont know, A2DP sink is auto selected when available
[22:59] <oerheks> maybe they bite :-D
[22:59] <oehman> works with sound only but not when i try to use the microphone. headset i boose 700
[23:06] <ens> oerheks: that worked. thanks.