[00:42] <tsimonq2> **Current [build step](https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Building-from-source#Compiling):** III
[00:48] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt is choo chooing right now, will check back once I get the symbols whining
[00:48] <tsimonq2> get it... CI train... anyone...
[00:48] <tsimonq2> anyway
[00:48] <tsimonq2> going afk for a bit, but y'all know I'll be back :)
[00:49] <tsimonq2> also is it just me or are Matrix reactions the best thing ever? #definitelyshouldcompletelyswitchustoMatrix
[00:50] <kc2bez[m]> Telegram tries but it isn't the same.
[00:50] <tsimonq2> Nowhere near.
[00:50] <tsimonq2> I definitely think teward should set up a Matrix instance for us. :P
[00:51] <tsimonq2> or for Ubuntu
[00:51] <tsimonq2> ubuntu.com I'd love that
[00:51] <teward> I definitely think that someone should **pay me** for the infra
[00:51] <teward> if it's going to be for ubuntu.com
[00:51] <tsimonq2> fair enough
[00:51] <tsimonq2> also hi
[00:51] <tsimonq2> I know we have business
[00:51] <tsimonq2> getting there
[00:51]  * tsimonq2 throws 10 gallons of coffee on teward
[00:51] <teward> i also definitely think SOMEONE should pay me before I do anything more for them :P
[00:52] <teward> *accidentally erases the emails of Simon* ooooops?
[00:52] <tsimonq2> true true
[00:52] <tsimonq2> also
[00:52] <tsimonq2> working on it
[00:53] <teward> *goes to bother Canonical IS some more*
[00:53] <tsimonq2> g_uiverc, l_eok, and a_rraybolt should def come on Matrix :P you too teward
[00:55] <tsimonq2> s390x already failed. Love to see it...
 I see I'm not invited :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> g_uiverc, l_eok, and a_rraybolt should def come on Matrix :P you too teward)
[00:56] <teward> s390x is evil and we know it's Simon's fault
 XD (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <teward> s390x is evil and we know it's Simon's fault)
[00:56] <kc2bez[m]> Come on in N0um3n0 the water is warm.
[00:57] <kc2bez[m]> XD
 Jajajaj
[00:58] <tsimonq2> come on :D
[01:02] <tsimonq2> In case anyone is actually pulling the trigger, it's #lubuntu-devel:libera.chat 
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Just waiting on RISC-V to do symbols, and from the looks of it (per last build time) we're talking another 30 minutes. Lovely.
[01:06] <tsimonq2> Time for me to go afk for a bit, for real
[01:19] <arraybolt3> I can't see reactions here on IRC.
[01:19]  * arraybolt3 tells teward and tsimonq2 to go eat a donut and calm down
[01:19] <tsimonq2> Exactly. Come to the dark side. :)
[01:20] <teward> this is just typical behavior for me and simon when we snipe at eaceh other :P
[01:20] <arraybolt3> NEVER!
[01:20]  * arraybolt3 switches on lightsaber
[01:20] <kc2bez[m]> Just on Matrix. Replies are nicer too.
[01:20]  * arraybolt3 throws lightsaber at teward
[01:20] <teward> *catches the lightsaber*
[01:20] <teward> *takes out the Kyber crystal, and adds it to the kyber beam rifle he's building*
[01:21]  * arraybolt3 exit stage left, good luck Simon
[01:21] <teward> that's crystal number... four... so i need... one more...
[01:21]  * tsimonq2 reacts to that on Matrix
[01:21] <arraybolt3> OK well I'll check out Matrix. I've looked into it a bit, sounds cool.
[01:26] <arraybolt3> Which Matrix client should I use? Element looks like it isn't totally FOSS at first glance, I'm on KDE desktop if it matters.
[01:26] <teward> the SimonSucks client.  *shot*
[01:26] <teward> okay i'm going to go offline, i need rest.
[01:27] <teward> (this is also normal for me and simon :P)
[01:27] <arraybolt3> I know that, I was just joining the fun.
[01:27] <teward> yep yep :)
[01:27] <teward> *offlines for sleep*
 Me too , 3:28 am...
 "Which Matrix client should I use..." <- 100% FOSS
[01:52] <tsimonq2> Element
[01:57] <arraybolt3> OK, nice! I was scared away with words like "personal" in the free version.
[02:00] <tsimonq2> All good :) see you on the Matrix side!
[02:30] <arraybolt3[m]> GOOD GRIEF! OK, that was a lot of legal documents to sort through, but I'm finally here.
[02:33] <arraybolt3> (arraybolt3[m] is me, just so everyone knows someone didn
[02:33] <arraybolt3> didn't hijack my name.)
[03:53] <tsimonq2> Good to see you :)
 ok good.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> guiverc @Leokolb: If you guys watch Discourse, let's streamline all the testing I'm about to ask for there ;))
[14:40] <tsimonq2> Heyyy!
 ?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Heyyy!)
[15:01] <tsimonq2> I just saw you joined Matrix ;)
 Yes but also telegram which i am on right now (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I just saw you joined Matrix ;))
[15:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4856/+packages libfm-qt rolling
[15:19] <tsimonq2> I just wanted to get that started right away this morning. Just a symbols update.
[15:19] <tsimonq2> Now I have to go do some Altispeed stuff :) I'll be around, not actively working on this though
[15:50] <tsimonq2> FTBFS on all arches because of symbols. Lovely.
[15:52] <kc2bez[m]> Not risc yet, you have to wait for an hour first. :P
[15:53] <tsimonq2> Sounds about right. :P
[15:53] <tsimonq2> (To be fair, it's the only reason I'm so eager to use Bileto still, it's because we can do symbols on arches that we can't normally build in a PPA.)
[15:54] <tsimonq2> (AFAIK you still can't enable riscv64 in any old PPA.)
 Just got a confirm of maintenance work on the QA testing site which will be down until tomorror (unable to log in)
[17:31] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks Leó
[18:25] <tsimonq2> Updated libfm-qt again after symbols. Hopefully the last one before I can continue.
[18:42] <kc2bez[m]> libfm-qt is such a beast.
[18:43] <kc2bez[m]> Moar symbols 😂
[18:43] <tsimonq2> take a look at my previous changelog entries :)
[18:43] <kc2bez[m]> I noticed 😉
 the latest version of lxqt is not 1.1.1 ?
 ￼lxqt-project.org
 Point release lxqt-session 1.1.1 | LXQt
 The LXQt team announces a point release of lxqt-session 1.1.1.qtxdg-tools is added as a dependency, to be used by xdg-utils under LXQt Session.
 or the only difference is lxqt-session?
[19:20] <tsimonq2> I've been checking it as I go and the vast majority of the packages have the latest tag of 1.1.0.
[19:20] <tsimonq2> If you find any 1.1.1, please ping me.
[19:21] <tsimonq2> (Besides lxqt-session, of course.)
 https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/lxqt/
 It seems that way, I just looked at arch for example, it's just lxqt-session
 Perfect
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Thank you for pointing that out! I definitely appreciate it.
[19:29] <tsimonq2> lxqt-about uploaded
[19:39] <tsimonq2> lxqt-admin uploaded
[19:52] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-archiver
[19:54] <kc2bez[m]> I concur from my monitoring. lxqt-session is the only package at 1.1.1 I may have missed something but I don't think so.
[20:01] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-config
 Waiting to test.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-config)
[20:15] <tsimonq2> Getting there :)
[20:15] <tsimonq2> Fighting with symbols for lxqt-globalkeys right now
[20:40] <tsimonq2> ⚠️ lxqt-globalkeys
[20:40] <tsimonq2> waiting for it to build on the PPA end, probably need another symbols update
 Late here ..back in a.m. .
[20:52] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-globalkeys
[20:54] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: Take care Leó
[20:58] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-notificationd
[21:11] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-openssh-askpass
[21:22] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-policykit
 It seems that it is 1.1.0 with several point releases, as indicated on the web.
[21:46] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-session
[21:46]  * tsimonq2 -> afk for a few
[22:39]  * tsimonq2 wonders what the future of Calamares looks like
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Did anyone see the announcement for the latest release?
[22:40] <arraybolt3[m]> I saw your request for testing, if that's what you're asking.
[22:40] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, [ade] had a blog post. Let me dig it up.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> https://euroquis.nl/calamares/2022/05/29/calamares-handoff.html
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> I see that the last release was made by... one guy. Yikes, that's like what happened to OpenOffice. And one of the main developers stepped down,
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> s/,/.
[22:43] <kc2bez[m]> There are several folks working on it but [ade] was paid to by blue Systems.
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyone here know C++?
[22:44] <tsimonq2> I'm okay with it.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Radical idea: put the tip of 3.3 in Kinetic and start fixing bugs + adding features where needed 
[22:45] <arraybolt3[m]> That might not be a bad idea, if we're prepared to fall back to 3.2 just before the feature freeze in the event things go poorly.
[22:45] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe we should drop it in a PPA
[22:46] <tsimonq2> I think it would be good to throw it in a PPA, smoke test it at least, then Release The Kraken
[22:46] <tsimonq2> We also should do a calamares SRU soon for 22.04
[22:47] <kc2bez[m]> Sounds like a good plan. Admittedly I am not very organized and completely forgot where things were.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer @eickmeyer:matrix.org: ^^^ please shout if I break your s*** ;)
[22:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (BTW, loving reactions on Matrix)
[22:48] <tsimonq2> One of the many benefits :)
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> So, fork Calamares and develop it into something of our own? If we made it good enough, maybe we could unify the installers between the Ubuntu flavours. I hate Ubiquity - it's slow, has some bugs, and lacks features of Calamares. I would love to see an all-Calamares Ubuntu.
[22:50] <kc2bez[m]> I don't know about a fork. Like I said there are a bunch of smart folks poking at it.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> That would be nice, that is, if one of us here had any influence whatsoever at Canonical ;)
[22:51] <tsimonq2> Good thought though 
[22:51] <kc2bez[m]> I think it will continue to be developed and we can keep it around.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> We will definitely be more involved going forward 
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I tried figuring out how to fix a security vuln in Ubiquity (erase disk during encrypted install does nothing, you can recover old data with PhotoRec), and couldn't make heads or tails of the logs. (The vuln is public, FYI.)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> I mean, I guess *technically* patching an original tarball is kind of forking it :P
[22:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Niceeeeeeeee
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Yeah Ubiquity is... antiquated 
[22:52] <kc2bez[m]> Ubiquity isn't around much longer anyway. The flutter installer is coming.
[22:53] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Yeah?
[22:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, while we're on the topic, when I was fighting with the LibreOffice localization bug, one of the people on GitHub (I think a dev) said something about how our networking configuration is bad. Let me pull it up...
[22:54] <tsimonq2> What's the latest on that?
[22:54] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Probably. Shoot
[22:55] <arraybolt3[m]> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1942#issuecomment-1125869333
[22:55] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Testing has been happening for main Ubuntu for a couple of cycles now. Flavors are going to be able to jump on the bandwagon. 
[22:56] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I saw your bug report. We need to update our cala settings. 
[22:56] <arraybolt3[m]> No, I mean the bit about nsswitch.conf. Click the link.
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> It goes to a comment made by a dev. He thinks we have a broken configuration in our networking stuff and should follow Fedora's example by changing our configuration.
[22:57] <kc2bez[m]> Well that is all the flavors plus main.
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, I think the comment was made by a dev.)
[22:57] <kc2bez[m]> We sometimes have to stick to the platform expectation
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess I should bring this up in #ubuntu-devel:libera.chat 
[22:59] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe. I have watched some of the folks you are referring to and occasionally a little salt needs to be sprinkled about.
[22:59] <kc2bez[m]> Fedora is not Ubuntu and vice-versa
[23:01] <kc2bez[m]> It couldn't hurt to ask why it is that way but I am guessing there is a good reason.
[23:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I see his logic, but also see what you're saying. I'd guess there's something deep in the guts of Ubuntu that depends on the "bad" configuration.
[23:02] <kc2bez[m]> Right. Like I said it might be good to ask why though.
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Hey, how do I test that flutter installer? Would that be Ubuntu Canary?)
[23:02] <kc2bez[m]> Yes
[23:03] <kc2bez[m]> It uses subiquity under the hood.
 "(Hey, how do I test that flutter..." <- Ubuntu Canary is the development release but with an added testing PPA
[23:27] <tsimonq2> We were given the green light to do such a thing 
[23:27] <tsimonq2> However, I didn't get that far 
 "I guess I should bring this up..." <- Good call
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: What thing? To try out Canary on Lubuntu?
[23:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Lubuntu Canary
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Unfortunately a lot of our testing happened in the archive. :P
[23:29] <tsimonq2> The initial development cycle with LXQt was **rough**
[23:29] <kc2bez[m]> The current Ubuntu Canary iso has the flutter thingy.
[23:29] <tsimonq2> I still remember the days when we had Raphael and Julien. I miss those days...
[23:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, Ubuntu Canary appeared to have some problems last I looked, so I'm not sure if it's worth testing. Calamares is working great, and I like how you can actually tweak the settings yourself. Ubiquity didn't appear to make that easy AFAIK.
[23:30] <tsimonq2> (Julien was the original Lubuntu maintainer... I hate saying I took the reins from him because I haven't done squat compared to him)
[23:31] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: It gets a fair bit of attention and changes almost daily so it isn't a bad thing to keep an eye on.
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. But if something ain't broke, why fix it? Remember Debian's wise words about "shiny new thing syndrome".
[23:31] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I disagree, you've been great for this project.
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_suffer_from_Shiny_New_Stuff_Syndrome
[23:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: That's what they told us when we switched to Calamares
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu could use the installer fix. Lubuntu, not so much IMO.
[23:32] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I don't disagree with that philosophy. I still like the watchful eye on what is happening.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> I remember infinity (God rest his soul) scolding me in a PM like "wtf why"
[23:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, Canary seems like it's going to make a fragmented mess. We already use Ubiquity for everything except Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, who use Calamares. Now we're gonna have Ubiquity, Flutter, and Calamares. AAAAA!)
[23:35] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: I used to let my ego get to me. Meeting vorlon and going to Portland changed that completely for me. I don't know anything compared to some :)
[23:36] <tsimonq2> I'm saying that as a Debian Developer and Ubuntu Core Developer
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Hopefully Flutter will either replace Ubiquity wholesale, or it will die out and Calamares will take over.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I think the goal is to sunset Ubiquity shortly 
[23:38] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I get what you are saying and it isn't a bad thing to be humbled but you have still pushed this project along the timeline in a good way.
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Anyway
[23:38] <tsimonq2> I'd say so, but I will continue to downplay it until I feel I'm ready :)
[23:44] <arraybolt3[m]> How close are we to testing LXQt? Should I be prepping to test it right away, or is built step IV still far enough away that I should be doing other stuff until then?
[23:44] <arraybolt3[m]> s/built/build
[23:45] <kc2bez[m]> I would say it is a bit away.
 next to all of you I feel tiny :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I'd say so, but I will continue to downplay it until I feel I'm ready :))
[23:47] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: Had a couple of questions while I have a moment at the keys. 1. Was wondering why you skipped a couple of the build step III things. 2. bug 1966774 should that be filed against calamares-settings-ubuntu and fixed released for kinetic?
[23:50] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: I am hardly fluent in one language. You know how many?
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> kc2bez[m]: LOL Me too. I tried learning Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, and Greek at one point or another, I finally gave up on all of them since spoken languages are just too insanely complicated for my brain. Computer languages are much more organized (though misunderstandings can have far worse consequences...).
[23:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully, that's why we have Google Translate.
 I almost 1, the rest with the help of the translator :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> lubot: I am hardly fluent in one language. You know how many?)
 Yes! Jajaja (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully, that's why we have Google Translate.)
 Besides, I haven't worked for 9 years and that discourages me a lot.