[00:00] lubot: Keep your head up. You are a great part of this team too. [00:01] [telegram] 3 years as a lubuntu member and 4 doing support [00:01] [telegram] Thanks! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) lubot: Keep your head up. You are a great part of this team too.) [00:04] [telegram] I have a lot to learn from you, sometimes I don't write, but I always follow the conversations to keep up to date. [00:12] Hey, so, I was doing a Lubuntu-related project here that I was calling "The Ultimate Guide to Lubuntu". Just like how Windows has official documentation but there's also books on how to use it (at least I know Windows 7 was this way), I was thinking of writing an informal guide to complement the Lubuntu manual to help people new to Linux be able to get a grip easier. I was going to keep this project secret until it was finished so [00:12] I wouldn't be a disappointment if I failed, but it's coming along nicely so far, so I'm wondering if y'all think it's a good idea. [00:21] arraybolt3[m], I think any documentation is a good idea; I regularly see users looking for documentation on projects, easy guides etc. [00:21] guiverc: Hey, good to see you! [00:26] I agree with guiverc . Anything highlighting the project is good. As long as it doesn't take away (perhaps even references) what we already have we should be good. [00:26] kc2bez: Exactly. It's a complement, not a replacement. [00:27] (Great, I'm mixing my Matrix and IRC chat protocols...) [00:27] Tab complete is your friend. [00:28] Nice, didn't know about that feature. [01:35] Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash will let you search for part of a previous command [01:35] Try it, it's amazing [01:37] [telegram] I already knew that :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash will let you search for part of a previous command) [01:46] "Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash..." <- Interesting. I've been using fish shell a lot lately. Not all the time but often. [01:47] Fish is not your grandad's goldfish. The memory is pretty good. [02:08] tsimonq2: If you break my s*** I know where to find you. :) [03:26] Fair enough I guess 😂 [14:30] ✅ lxqt-sudo [14:30] [telegram] Yeah (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) ✅ lxqt-sudo) [14:40] ✅ pcmanfm-qt [14:40] Majority of them are done [14:40] I want to crank the rest out today [14:41] [telegram] Great news (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) I want to crank the rest out today) [14:46] Simon Quigley: Did you see my message last night? [14:47] Oops, forgot some stuff on the previous level... working backwards [14:51] tsimonq2: No worries, I was just wondering. [14:52] "Simon Quigley: Did you see my..." <- Which? [15:01] ⚠️ qtermwidget - I'm expecting symbols [15:03] "Which?" <- You figured it out. I noticed you skipped a couple and I was just wondering why. [15:04] I was also wondering about bug 1966774 should that be filed against calamares-settings-ubuntu and fixed released for kinetic? [15:04] Bug 1966774 in calamares (Ubuntu Kinetic) "btrfs partioning with calamares results in unbootable system" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966774 [15:05] On it [15:05] ok, cool. [15:06] Done [15:07] I synced cala-settings from the archive for Kinetic to git last night. I think we are square there. [15:07] Very nice. Thanks. [15:07] ✅ obconf-qt [15:31] ✅ qterminal [15:31] ✅ qtermwidget [15:33] What's left...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/807140a729b79f10d460cc685fd25281fc460049) [15:34] I have about 15 minutes before I need to leave for an apt showing... I'm going to try for at least pavucontrol-qt, when I come back I'll package xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt (unless someone else wants to ;)), then the rest should be trivial [15:35] The PPA does need some time to settle down too, since qterminal is Still depwait [15:43] [telegram] i am gonna try and spin a debomatic instance for us at some point. think PPAs but all in qemu envs via sbuild and dedicated for lubuntu. covid recovery comes first though. [15:43] -1 we need weird arches [15:44] That was the entire point of using the PPA infrastucture... for symbols pre-archive [15:46] ✅ pavucontrol-qt, retried qterminal [15:46] * tsimonq2 -> afk [15:52] [telegram] *yawns* @tsimonq2 sbuild with qemu binaries is essentially how ppa builders work now - you dont think s390x and riscv are actual riscv hardware do you? [15:52] [telegram] either way i have better things to do today than argue. *goes back to COVID recovery* [15:54] That is the reason riscv builds are so sloooow. I think it could work we just need to build on all of the same arches as the main archive cause c++ symbols are super fun. [16:11] [telegram] which is just extra definitions to sbuild with --arch= definitions. and no crossbuilds, just (emulated) arch [16:11] [telegram] but again covid recovery first [16:17] "[telegram] but again..." <- Of course. [16:34] No, RISCV is on physical hardware [16:34] * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (97KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/BZiPZSZXXgmglcSNxdnmvrIt/Screenshot_20220602-113427_Firefox%20Nightly.jpg > [16:35] I'm still -1 on duplicating infrastructure [16:48] [telegram] so everything is virtual but riscv. meh. [16:49] [telegram] the problem is the builder queues and known infra problems on the repo builders on launchpad [16:49] [telegram] but meh. [16:54] Just retrying the last depwait for qterminal now, then moving on to that new package [17:14] https://github.com/lubuntu-team/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging [17:14] ✅ xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt [17:21] [telegram] nice (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) ✅ xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt) [17:25] Final list:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8e5141267127d5e1ea8ed3be1f530f69c578a8ee) [17:27] [telegram] are we then ready to test? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Final list:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8e5141267127d5e1ea8ed3be1f530f69c578a8ee)) [17:27] I've got the work thing until later but if you need help with that I might be able to tonight. [17:27] lubot: Yes, after that [17:27] kc2bez[m]: Should be pretty quick. I'm doing all six at once. :P [17:28] Ok, fair enough and makes sense. [17:46] It's almost done? (Just opening Element now) [17:47] I'm literally just throwing all of these packages at the PPA. I'm expecting one or two to fail on misc install file stuff. I usually test build locally, but it's 6 packages, and I'm willing to bet the majority are a-OK [17:48] arraybolt3[m]: I'd say give it an hour if a miracle happens [17:48] Probably closer to three depending on how long it takes to build and what all I need to fix [17:48] Hey, miracles happen! [17:48] Who knows :) [17:50] Completely uploaded. Waiting on Launchpad. [17:51] Are there going to be any special testing procedures once everything's in order? I'm thinking maybe we should have a custom ISO with the new LXQt in the event it doesn't make it into the daily so that we can live session test. (Unless restarting SDDM is going to be enough. [17:51] ) [17:52] As someone who has tried to make an ISO before, perhaps we'd be better off giving manual instructions [17:52] Good thought though [17:52] And you're close... all you do is add a PPA and upgrade [17:52] also [17:52] 🔴 lxqt-panel [17:52] OK. I'm remembering that attempting to upgrade Kubuntu 22.04 from the kubuntu-backports PPA in the live session resulted in a desktop crash every time for me, so I'm worried that LXQt might do the same thing even if it's working. [17:53] (Though I'm guessing that the upgrade is probably done after the install looking at what you just said about the PPA.) [17:54] 🔴 lxqt-themes [17:54] arraybolt3[m]: Nah, you should be fine [17:54] Just restart your session after the upgrade [17:55] Perfect. [17:55] 🔴 lximage-qt [17:59] [telegram] Done this in past with lxqt - with no problems (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) arraybolt3[m]: Nah, you should be fine) [18:17] "[telegram] but again..." <- Man, you got hit with Covid too? I recovered from it last year, it was horrible. Get well soon! [18:18] ✅ lxqt-panel [18:18] tbh once that builds y'all should be good to upgrade [18:18] give it another... mhhh hour or so [18:18] but here's the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4856/+packages [18:19] ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ add it in a VM or something [18:19] Oh I'm so totally doing it on bare-metal first now. [18:19] (LOL jk) [18:19] can't say I didn't warn you ;) [18:19] [telegram] ok will wait ..lxqt-panel and themes faild (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) tbh once that builds y'all should be good to upgrade) [18:19] (But I am going to do it on bare metal at some point. It's OK, I have a dedicated test system just for bare-metal tests.) [18:19] -themes are the generic upstream themes, and you can live without lximage-qt [18:20] That being said, I'm working on those packages now [18:20] [telegram] also testing only baremetal [18:20] bahahaha [18:20] I love you guys [18:21] Leokolb: Alright, I revoke my "jk". I **am** testing it on bare metal first, on my HP Elitebook 8570p. Just... Simon Quigley , it's not going to catch the PC on fire or anything, right? [18:22] Nope, just know that it's been a good year or two since I've updated a stack of anything [18:22] [telegram] water=no fire [18:22] I used to be half decent at it [18:22] Leokolb: LOL [18:22] So I guess we'll have to see if I screwed up somewhere :P [18:22] [telegram] whiskey=fire [18:22] FTBFS: Failed To Boot From Simon [18:22] bahahaha [18:22] oh if only you knew... [18:22] hold on let me see if I can find it [18:23] Oh, I know. I've written many a piece of seriously flawed software in my day. One time it slaughtered my source code directory. [18:23] (My software, not yours.) [18:23] (As in, my software caused the problem.) [18:23] * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (162KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/hTNCDBMhYTFfWfMJCRHckpjB/image.png > [18:24] [telegram] 👍 [18:24] Leokolb: Don't immerse your computer in anything but heat-conductive epoxy. Water will kill it. Whiskey will kill it. Fire will kill it. Just stick with air. [18:24] (Or epoxy.) [18:27] (OK, I'll stop with the off-topic stuff now. Warning duly noted, I've got the ability to create new installation USBs as needed if anything blows up. And I'll also test in a VM.) [18:33] I think I finally have lxqt-themes... [18:40] ✅ lximage-qt [18:40] Getting there...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3bced483f04123320bdf4378ac6320946dbb0b36) [18:42] lxqt-panel is still working, qps raises an eyebrow but I suspect that's with lxqt-core or similar, and I may have to bump deps in lubuntu-desktop [18:42] Alrighty then! Looks like we've got everything for amd64 but the two non-essentials. Time to make a mess. [18:44] ✅ lxqt-themes [18:44] Now we just wait for it to all settle down... [18:51] Hey, quick question... *how* do I add the PPA? I'm used to the fancy "to add software from this untrusted repository, run this command sequence: abcdefg", but I don't see that here, and I'm not sure if I can extrapolate the right command from the URL. [18:52] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856 [18:52] * `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856` [18:52] thx [18:52] of course [18:53] [telegram] all published [18:54] * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/44cb80da633a9d287aae48d5e45c4d5ba94017bc [18:54] ok so every package being removed is cool besides the last two [18:54] My system only had to get a few thousand kilobytes... is that bad? [18:55] all good [18:55] (I'm on Kinetic on my test system.) [18:55] OK, install done, just hit Reboot. Aaaaaand... [18:55] [telegram] Broken (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) OK, install done, just hit Reboot. Aaaaaand...) [18:55] [telegram] XD [18:56] Actually, desktop showed up! [18:56] [telegram] Great!!!! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Actually, desktop showed up!) [18:56] And I can already see a bug fix worked! [18:57] What was that bug with QTerminal where "start with presets" had no effect or something? That one's fixed. [18:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qterminal/+bug/1917347 [18:58] Launchpad bug 1917347 in qterminal (Ubuntu) "Qterminal 'Start with preset' settings have no effect." [Undecided, Confirmed] [18:58] [telegram] confirmed - term bug fixed [18:59] [telegram] confirm success dell optiplex desktop and dell 7280 latitude laptop -all good so far [18:59] Yay! [19:00] Any new features? [19:00] [telegram] still exploring [19:00] It now opens with two terminals when you choose "2 terminals horizontally". [19:01] tsimonq2: Yep. "Open in Terminal" button in PCManFM-QT when you right-click. [19:01] And the button works. [19:02] [telegram] you can make the desktop bigger on high resolution screens [19:04] [telegram] or 4 if you perfer (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) It now opens with two terminals when you choose "2 terminals horizontally".) [19:04] [telegram] ^prefer [19:04] Sadly, the qtpass bug is still there. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpass/+bug/1945371 [19:04] Launchpad bug 1945371 in qtpass (Ubuntu) "QtPass never finishes generating GnuPG key pair" [Undecided, Confirmed] [19:04] Huh... I just let Quassel connect in the live instance and it connects to Debian's IRC instead of libera.chat. I dunno how long it has been t his way. I normally just make sure it opens properly. [19:05] kgiii: It was set to that by default on Ubuntu Studio Jammy I believe. [19:05] [telegram] about lxqt . what version do you have? [19:05] [telegram] 1.1.0 [19:05] 1.1.0 [19:06] [telegram] think it worthwhile to take a good look here ;https://lxqt-project.org/release/2022/04/15/lxqt-1-1-0/ [19:06] [telegram] a lot to explore and take some time [19:07] Very good idea, that way I'm not just blindly checking stuff. [19:07] I missed the first part of what yo usaid @LeoK. but starting with multiple terminal panes still isn't working here. [19:08] [telegram] did you do the upgrade? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) I missed the first part of what yo usaid @LeoK. but starting with multiple terminal panes still isn't working here.) [19:08] kgiii: LXQt 1.1.0 just hit Simon's PPA. [19:09] `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856` [19:09] Oh, no, I'm just testing the daily build. So, it's not in today's ISO. I don't generally have time to test all the other intracies - but I'll try to get that one into my schedule. [19:09] [telegram] could you login? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Oh, no, I'm just testing the daily build. So, it's not in today's ISO. I don't generally have time to test all the other intracies - but I'll try to get that one into my schedule.) [19:10] Simon Quigley: OK, well, the bit with xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt and Firefox ain't happening for me. Firefox's file dialog still looks badly out of place (probably because of Snap, I would guess). [19:11] No, I don't have a user on Debian's server. It connects to irc.debian.org... [19:11] [telegram] sorry i meant on the QA testing site (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) No, I don't have a user on Debian's server. It connects to irc.debian.org...) [19:13] 3 +1s and I'll full send this puppy into the archive [19:13] One moment... I am already logged in. I'll try in an incognito window. [19:13] tsimonq2: Or I may just get trigger happy :P [19:14] AAAAA! Well, screen scaling works... 🤦‍ [19:14] I have moved from DSL to satellite, so I've got some lag while browsing. :-/ [19:14] Oh dear, and I can't get to the Apply button to fix it now... [19:14] arraybolt3[m]: Is that a good thing? [19:14] (I set the scale factor to 2x on a 1366x768 screen...) [19:15] [telegram] why not and we test and file the needed bugs . (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) tsimonq2: Or I may just get trigger happy :P) [19:15] No, I can't login - but I am already logged in with one browser session. @leokolb [19:15] "Sadly, the qtpass bug is still..." <- QtPass isn't part of LXQt is it? [19:15] Anyone know how many times to hit Tab to find the Apply button in LXQt Session Settings? [19:15] (I dunno, I thought it was, but I guess I was wrong.) [19:16] [telegram] ok i notified ubuntu and they working on it - thanks (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) No, I can't login - but I am already logged in with one browser session. @leokolb) [19:17] Tab twice from the default and it 'close'es it. [19:18] Yay! Back to normal. [19:18] kgiii: Thanks! [19:19] No worries. There is no 'apply' in there. O [19:19] I'll give it a day to see if the Quassel defaults return to normal. If not, I'll file it as a bug. I'm sure it's an easy fix. [19:21] OK, we have a problem. After that screen scaling nonsense, my application menu is "stretched" so that there's a bunch of blank space after every item. [19:21] I'll probably have to reinstall to reproduce it... [19:21] * arraybolt3[m] fires up VM like I should have to begin with... [19:21] "Huh... I just let Quassel..." <- It likely got synced from Debian. I think we had some Ubuntu delta that pointed it to libera.chat. It might be worthy of a bug report. [19:22] LOL You should have made a backup. [19:22] Updated lxqt-metapackages to pull in the new desktop portal [19:22] Updating qps [19:22] @kc2bez[m] Yeah, I figured I'd give it a day to hope that the reporting site was back online. If it's not fixed tomorrow, I'll do a bug report. [19:23] We don't do backups here. (OK, so it's a test system, it would have taken longer to restore a backup than to reinstall from scratch. I actually do keep backups of my main rig.) [19:24] I'm only pretending that I'd have made a backup personally. I would not have. No, no I would not... But, it's easy enough to clone an install (in VirtualBox) and then work from the clone. [19:24] Oh, man, I'mma have to zsync the latest Lubuntu Kinetic now, so this might take a while. [19:25] I'm not doing anything better. Off to do a bug report! [19:25] True. Simon Quigley tried to warn me... [19:25] Please submit upstream :) [19:25] If they advise it's a downstream issue, we can always pull it to Launchpad [19:26] [telegram] Why not save a copy on local disk after zsync? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) Oh, man, I'mma have to zsync the latest Lubuntu Kinetic now, so this might take a while.) [19:26] Otherwise try joining #lxqt:matrix.org if you don't know where to report it [19:26] [telegram] and blamr Simon. [19:26] [telegram] just blame Simon for everything it makes things easier [19:26] teward001: 'Ey! [19:26] [telegram] no need —they know (re @teward001: just blame Simon for everything it makes things easier) [19:27] Leokolb: I have a copy on my local disk, but my Internet isn't the fastest thing in the world (getting ~320 kilobytes per second ATM) [19:27] [telegram] Initially it looks good to me @tsimonq2 thanks for all the work [19:28] ✅ qps [19:28] lubot: Of course :) [19:29] [telegram] simon failed to highlight proper [19:29] idc it's Matrix [19:29] teward001: You're using Telegram. You should be using Matrix. [19:30] [telegram] the next person to tell me to do something or use a specific tech gets a slap. with a dead fish. [19:30] [telegram] simon gets slapped with the dead fish regardless. :P [19:30] teward001: I've got another Kyber Crystal, you best be careful. [19:31] Simon Quigley: OK, so the stretched menus aren't actually the fault of the display scaling, I don't think. I can trigger them by setting the Qt style to Fusion, and fix them by setting it back to Breeze. [19:31] I have to log out and log back in for the fix to work or the problem to occur. [19:32] Nice! I'd say lxqt-session upstream [19:33] I can't press The Big Button yet, I have to wait for qps, lxqt-metapackages, and lximage-qt [19:33] Plus I see the Launchpad builders are currently occupied by a million and a half private jobs :P [19:33] tsimonq2: Archive rebuild I think. [19:34] teward001: Also, I've gone fishing and been slapped with dead fish before, it's just not that bad. [19:34] (Actually, that was live fish, but whatever, almost just as gross.) [19:35] kc2bez[m]: Well, partly that, that's why the queue is so big. Doesn't explain the current wait time though since CI trains have priority over archive rebuilds [19:35] Bug filed for Quassel. If you're curious, it's #1977465 [19:35] kgiii: Thank you! [19:36] tsimonq2: private builds are higher priority that ci-train [19:36] than [19:36] That's what I'm saying [19:36] No problem. I figured I'd do it today rather than wait. I'm not sure if I'll be able to file reports today, as I'm not done testing. [19:36] * tsimonq2 wonders if RikMills secretly is building KF6 in the private PPA :P [19:37] I have to go afk for a bit, c ya [19:37] no, but not a bad idea ;) [19:37] XD [19:41] Also, I suspect the size of the dead fish, along with the person swinging it, would dictate how bad it is to be slapped with one. If it's a brook trout powered by me, you're gonna be fine. If it's a 4' pike powered by a professional baseball player, you're going to the hospital. [19:42] I think only teward would have access to this besides me (and the rest of ~ubuntu-core-dev) but feel free to hit publish anyone when it's ready: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4856 [19:42] kgiii: Fair point. :P [19:43] If I'm understanding correctly, you're pushing LXQt 1.1.0 out to the development branch? [19:43] I will be shortly, yes. [19:44] tsimonq2: I don't have upload privs for the new stuff so I probably can't. [19:45] Fun fun fun. ('Til her daddy takes the T-Bird away)... [20:05] Maybe I should learn how to do a PPA and try to build KF6 [20:05] ? [20:06] RikMills may know ^ [20:07] mope, sorry [20:07] *nope [20:09] [telegram] in Matrix noumeno is registered, I should put a new one, I'm bored of it XD [20:10] RikMills: :P [20:10] lubot: do it XD [20:11] [telegram] Jajaja (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) lubot: do it XD) [20:11] eew Telegram XD [20:17] How much of the frameworks does LXQt need, anyway? Up to Tier 2? [20:26] Hey, still testing the new LXQt, the Valendas theme is missing. Appearance -> LXQt Theme -> Should be an option called Valendas in there, but there's not. [20:28] (At least, I think it's supposed to be in there.) [20:30] Quick update and got qps [20:31] Other than that, looks good to me! I didn't do an exhaustive test, but nothing went bad wrong (except for the screen scaling, which was my fault, but could use some UI help for someone to get out of that mess more easily). [20:32] looking forward to the next daily build - good night [20:32] (Oh, and Recent Files in PCManFM-Qt doesn't seem to be doing anything. I forgot about that.) [20:32] Good idea to make notes etc etc .. [20:33] I did, that's how I remembered the last bug, but that's still a good reminder. Thank you! [21:03] ⚠️ publish running ⚠️ [21:03] https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/4856/publish/5/ [21:03] 2022-06-02 21:03:23,978 INFO Succeeded in 1m 52s [21:04] Ladies and gentleman, we have liftoff [21:11] arraybolt3: https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/1595#issuecomment-1145081279 [21:11] Issue 1595 in lxqt/pcmanfm-qt "Poor visual quality of wallpaper when QT_SCALE_FACTOR > 1" [Open] [21:11] Does that accurately describe your issue? [21:12] So this https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/pull/1596 [21:12] Pull 1596 in lxqt/pcmanfm-qt "Consider device pixel ratio when drawing wallpaper" [Open] [21:14] Here, I'll even do this for you... [21:21] `sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:tsimonq2/throw-stuff-at && sudo apt -y full-upgrade && sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/[NAME_OF_PPA_YOU_JUST_ADDED]` [21:22] https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+archive/ubuntu/throw-stuff-at/+packages [21:22] You must have either the CI train PPA enabled or -proposed enabled to install that [21:22] Let me know if that fixes that issue for you [21:23] If you test it, I'll merge it upstream [21:35] I'll test it out, but the problem I was having was that 2x scale on a small-ish screen resulted in everything being so extraordinarily big I couldn't hardly work or see what I was doing anymore. What I'd like to see is, on the first login after a scale change, a "Do these settings work for you?" box pop up, so that the user can say, "Nope." [21:36] I should probably mention that I was able to file today's testing reports - because I'm still logged in from a previous session I assume. I'm pretty much always logged in with the testing tracker open in one of my many tabs. [21:37] Also, what PPA do I remove? The CI train or throw-stuff-at? [21:40] Oy. I will test that patch, though, 'cause the wallpaper really does look bad on a scaled display. [21:42] One last thing, "throw stuff at" seems to only have PCManFM in it. Is that right, Simon Quigley ? [21:49] Finally, nothing was installed even with the CI train PPA enabled. I'm trying proposed now to see if anything changes, [21:49] s/,/. [21:51] "I should probably mention that I..." <- Good deal. Thanks for testing! [21:52] 'Snot a problem. It's what I do, pretty much every day - so long as there's something to test. Plus I got to add a new bug. So, there's that. [21:53] arraybolt3[m]: Based on the backlog I read the throw stuff at PPA and the ci train PPA would both need to be enabled. The only thing that should happen should be an upgrade of pcmanfm-qt [21:54] I had both enabled, but pcmanfm-qt wasn't upgraded. [21:54] Dan Simmons: Pinging. [21:54] I can give it a look in a minute. [21:55] I'm enabling -proposed on top of it all to see if that does the trick, which may just end in utter chaos (I think this is as close as Ubuntu gets to rolling-release!). [21:56] (Err, I guess Rolling Rhino exists, but you know what I meant...) [21:56] Proposed can break your stuff sometimes. You probably don't need that in this case. [21:57] I read that either the CI train PPA or Proposed needed enabled, so since CI train didn't do the trick, I figured maybe I needed both. [21:57] (Yeah, doing both when told either-or is usually a bad idea, but it's a test system, who cares if it goes wrong?) [21:58] (I guess though it might slow us down, so I canceled the update, it was still only downloading stuff, not installing yet.) [21:58] OK, got rid of -proposed before any damage was done. [21:59] And now PCManFM wants to update. Perfect. [22:05] Simon Quigley: Dan Simmons : Adding the throw-stuff-at PPA didn't do anything with the wallpaper quality with the screen scaled up. However, I am noticing a disturbing screen glitch when clicking and dragging on the desktop similar to the problem in the pcmanfm-qt bug that was mentioned above, but worse. I'll take a video and try to send it to you through a YouTube link. I have the CI Train and throw-stuff-at PPAs enabled. [22:09] Screen glitch: https://youtu.be/8a8nP6sfGuA [22:13] That seems a bit like a regression. [22:13] The screen glitch only occurs when the scale factor is larger than 1. [22:13] (At least, very early testing suggests that.) [22:14] I'm testing to see if it's throw-stuff-at's fault or LXQt 1.1.0's fault. [22:19] Alright, removed the throw-stuff-at PPA, downgraded PCManFM-Qt to 1.1.0-0ubuntu1, rebooted, scaled screen back up, logged out and logged back in, and the glitch is still there. [22:20] Maybe not a regression then. Still weird and unexpected. [22:21] I'll see what happens in a VM with LXQt 1.1.0 (without having ever enabled throw-stuff-at), and if it's still happening, I'll file an upstream bug report. Is that a good idea? [22:22] arraybolt3[m]: Yes, file it against pcmanfm-qt [22:22]