| bdmurray | o/ | 15:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ginggs | o/ | 15:00 |
| ogayot | o/ | 15:00 |
| slyon | o/ | 15:00 |
| bdrung | \o | 15:00 |
| alexghiti | o/ | 15:01 |
| schopin | o/ | 15:01 |
| mclemenceau | o/ | 15:02 |
| * vorlon waves | 15:03 | |
| xypron | o/ | 15:03 |
| jawn-smith | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 15:03 |
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| jawn-smith | #topic Lightning Round | 15:03 |
| jawn-smith | The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundation-team-updates-thursday-02-june-2022/28714/8 | 15:03 |
| jawn-smith | Let's all take some time to read through it and ask questions | 15:04 |
| jawn-smith | And to congratulate schopin on becoming core dev! | 15:04 |
| slyon | wrt. alexghiti's libgpg-error multi-arch fix, we'd need somebody to deploy this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/423176 | 15:04 |
| slyon | maybe vorlon or juliank could help with that? | 15:04 |
| vorlon | I thought it autodeploys | 15:05 |
| slyon | hasn't been deployed as of a few hours ago | 15:05 |
| juliank | It doesn't autodeploy | 15:05 |
| juliank | The manual says to run some juju thingy | 15:05 |
| juliank | but that might be broken and one has to run git pull | 15:06 |
| bdmurray | I'd like to do that after the meeting | 15:06 |
| juliank | directly | 15:06 |
| vorlon | ok | 15:06 |
| slyon | thanks bdmurray | 15:06 |
| jawn-smith | Okay, any other questions? | 15:07 |
| jawn-smith | #topic Release incoming bugs | 15:08 |
| jawn-smith | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:08 |
| jawn-smith | bug 1880029 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Bug 1880029 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "Netplan optional-addresses produces Unknown key name 'OptionalAddresses'" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880029 | 15:08 |
| jawn-smith | slyon: you tagged this | 15:09 |
| slyon | we had some discussions wrt netplan's "optional-addresses" and it turned out that it is not working proper ever since | 15:09 |
| slyon | (or at least since ~2018) | 15:09 |
| slyon | so we should look into that | 15:09 |
| jawn-smith | is this something that would be worthy of an SRU? | 15:10 |
| slyon | eventually yes, but could be through a full version backport of netplan | 15:10 |
| jawn-smith | Okay. mclemenceau would you mind carding this? | 15:10 |
| mclemenceau | of course! on it | 15:10 |
| jawn-smith | thanks! | 15:11 |
| jawn-smith | bug 1976607 | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Bug 1976607 in systemd (Ubuntu Kinetic) "tests-in-lxd autopkgtest is skipped, due to missing 'lxd' deb" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1976607 | 15:11 |
| slyon | that's mine as well | 15:11 |
| jawn-smith | this one eve has a patch, so a card seems justified | 15:11 |
| jawn-smith | s/eve/even | 15:11 |
| slyon | yeah, patch doesn't fully work unfortunately | 15:11 |
| jawn-smith | ah okay. Either way if work is being done on it we should go ahead and create a card | 15:11 |
| slyon | but we need to fix it. systemd's autopkgtests were reduced post Jammy feature freeze due to the 'lxd' deb being removed | 15:12 |
| slyon | so many tests are skipped, which is bad | 15:12 |
| jawn-smith | That does indeed sound bad | 15:12 |
| mclemenceau | ok carding this then | 15:12 |
| jawn-smith | Thanks! | 15:12 |
| jawn-smith | bug 1976299 | 15:12 |
| ubottu | Bug 1976299 in python3.10 (Ubuntu Kinetic) "hashlib.algorithms_available lists algorithms that cannot be used" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1976299 | 15:12 |
| jawn-smith | I see both schopin and bdmurray commenting on this | 15:13 |
| jawn-smith | Is this something you're working on schopin? | 15:14 |
| schopin | not actively, no, I just tagged it so that it'd show up on my list. | 15:14 |
| jawn-smith | Okay, well sounds important so let's card it | 15:15 |
| mclemenceau | ok | 15:15 |
| schopin | ack | 15:15 |
| jawn-smith | #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:15 |
| jawn-smith | The first two were already covered under kk | 15:16 |
| jawn-smith | bug 1976258 | 15:16 |
| ubottu | Bug 1976258 in icu (Ubuntu) "icu ftbfs in the jammy release pocket" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1976258 | 15:16 |
| jawn-smith | tagged by doko | 15:16 |
| bdmurray | The dbus one was not discussed under kk | 15:16 |
| jawn-smith | eh? Okay I'll go back to it | 15:17 |
| jawn-smith | I've seen this failing test before from icu | 15:17 |
| jawn-smith | At least I'm pretty sure | 15:17 |
| jawn-smith | It had something to do with our tzdata being different than Debian's | 15:17 |
| jawn-smith | so mclemenceau can you card this and assign to me? | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | icu does occassionally get security updates so that seems worth sorting but might be a low priority | 15:18 |
| mclemenceau | ok | 15:18 |
| jawn-smith | thanks! | 15:18 |
| ginggs | jawn-smith: if you think it's a flaky, and needs a retry, i can do that | 15:18 |
| jawn-smith | ginggs: if it's the problem I've seen before it's not flakey | 15:18 |
| jawn-smith | but rather different names for certain locales that makes the test fail | 15:19 |
| jawn-smith | moving on to bug 1968845 | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Bug 1968845 in dbus (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to 22.04 from 20.04 ends with dbus installation asking for a reboot" [High, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968845 | 15:19 |
| jawn-smith | we actually discussed this during the last meeting, hence my purple link | 15:19 |
| bdmurray | This was discussed elsewhere and there is a plan | 15:19 |
| jawn-smith | Does that plan involve a card? | 15:20 |
| bdmurray | It probably should | 15:20 |
| jawn-smith | Cool, let's card it and move on | 15:20 |
| jawn-smith | rls-ii is empty | 15:20 |
| jawn-smith | \o/ | 15:20 |
| mclemenceau | Ack | 15:21 |
| jawn-smith | #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:21 |
| jawn-smith | bug 1888347 | 15:21 |
| ubottu | Bug 1888347 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "blk-availability unmounts filesystems before applications have finished using them" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888347 | 15:21 |
| jawn-smith | we discussed this one last week | 15:21 |
| bdmurray | I tagged it because there was reference to data loss but the linked bugs are quite different from what the description says | 15:22 |
| jawn-smith | It appears there was an action for bdmurray to investigate if this was fixed in focal+ | 15:22 |
| jawn-smith | bdmurray: have you looked into that? | 15:23 |
| slyon | there's also a private bug 1921145 which apparently has an upstream fix and backport provided, so should probably be verified and included in the next systemd Focal SRU | 15:23 |
| bdmurray | Let's ask for a test case from the reporter about the lvm2 bug | 15:25 |
| jawn-smith | Sounds good to me | 15:25 |
| jawn-smith | That's it for bugs then | 15:25 |
| jawn-smith | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:25 |
| jawn-smith | #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 15:26 |
| jawn-smith | vorlon: take it away | 15:26 |
| vorlon | only 13 packages to discuss | 15:26 |
| vorlon | I'll try to be quick | 15:26 |
| vorlon | libevent, I know is in progress | 15:26 |
| jawn-smith | correct, we have identified a solution | 15:27 |
| vorlon | waveform doesn't seem to be around today, but I guess this is still ok to carry over? | 15:27 |
| vorlon | doko: are you keeping dash? | 15:27 |
| jawn-smith | Yeah, I may end up fixing it while ubuntu-image tests are running or something like that | 15:27 |
| vorlon | schopin: are you still driving the MIRs for licensecheck? | 15:28 |
| slyon | licensecheck and sphinx are in progress: LP: #1972853 | 15:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1972853 in libxs-parse-sublike-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] lib*-perl" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1972853 | 15:28 |
| vorlon | excellent | 15:28 |
| dbungert | dnspython is still mine, I have a plan for the first problem but there is a whole secondary problem that needs investigation. | 15:28 |
| schopin | agreed, still working on it. | 15:28 |
| slyon | so is libgpg-error, LP: #1975673 | 15:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1975673 in libgpg-error (Ubuntu) "libgpg-error/1.45-2 fails autopkgtest on i386" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1975673 | 15:28 |
| vorlon | schopin: are you also still working on the MIR for sphinx? | 15:28 |
| schopin | Yes, we bundled all the perl MIRs in one bug. | 15:29 |
| schopin | incidentally that specific one is the one causing the delay. | 15:29 |
| vorlon | MIRs for mutt are in progress as mentioned in jawn-smith's weekly report | 15:29 |
| vorlon | brltty is waiting on new espeak-ng, which rings a bell for me; I'll have a look at it | 15:30 |
| vorlon | paramiko vs libcloud, enr0n seems to be on top of this | 15:30 |
| enr0n | Yeah, I tracked down the root cause this morning, and I am working on a patch. | 15:31 |
| vorlon | dbungert already mentioned dnspython | 15:31 |
| vorlon | that takes us to the new stuff (7 days old) | 15:31 |
| vorlon | python-future has some autopkgtest regressions | 15:31 |
| vorlon | who can take this? | 15:31 |
| ginggs | i'll take that | 15:31 |
| vorlon | python-future to ginggs | 15:31 |
| vorlon | thanks | 15:31 |
| vorlon | python-httplib2: bdrung: ? | 15:32 |
| bdrung | yes, i can take that | 15:32 |
| vorlon | dpkg: juliank: do you want this? | 15:32 |
| juliank | ack | 15:33 |
| vorlon | pillow: ogayot: can you take this? | 15:33 |
| ginggs | pillow is blocked by skimage which has a new indirect dependency | 15:33 |
| ginggs | debian bug #1010595 | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1010595 in src:xsimd "Please make xsimd available on all platforms" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1010595 | 15:33 |
| vorlon | are you saying not to give it to ogayot? :) | 15:33 |
| ogayot | Seems like we need to wait on Debian. I can take it then. | 15:34 |
| vorlon | I believe that's everything for this week | 15:37 |
| jawn-smith | #topic AOB | 15:37 |
| ginggs | i did have a quick question about bdrung's onetbb thing | 15:38 |
| ginggs | just wondering if it may be better to add things to big_packages instead of long_tests | 15:38 |
| ginggs | (provided they can run their tests in parallel) | 15:38 |
| ginggs | i had some success doing that with mercurial | 15:38 |
| bdrung | what is the practical difference between big_packages and long_tests? | 15:39 |
| vorlon | big_packages is larger VMs; long_tests extends the timeout | 15:39 |
| bdmurray | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#autopkgtests | 15:39 |
| bdrung | so it needs to be checked if the cmake test suite can be executed in parallel | 15:40 |
| vorlon | in terms of the trade-offs, big_packages is better than long_tests if it solves the failure *and* the autopkgtest infra is under low load | 15:41 |
| vorlon | however, I don't think our handling of quota for big VMs is very good | 15:42 |
| vorlon | so large numbers of packages requiring big_packages ==> increased VM allocation failure rate | 15:42 |
| bdrung | seeing "Threads = 1" and "parallel_for" in the autoptkgtest output, so we can test running autopkgtest with different VMs to see how much it gets faster | 15:42 |
| vorlon | and in principle, when we get around to implementing baseline retesting, "low load" will become an infrequent state | 15:43 |
| bdrung | is it documented somewhere how big those autopkgtest VMs are? | 15:43 |
| ginggs | you can probably infer from debian's results | 15:44 |
| ginggs | https://ci.debian.net/packages/o/onetbb/unstable/arm64/ | 15:44 |
| jawn-smith | If you want to test in an environment similar to the autopkgtest environment | 15:44 |
| ginggs | 38-52 minutes | 15:44 |
| jawn-smith | openstack and juju have the different sizes: m1.small and m1.large | 15:44 |
| jawn-smith | most packages run on an m1.small, but big_packages run on an m1.large | 15:44 |
| ginggs | also in the wiki bdmurray posted ^ | 15:45 |
| jawn-smith | There's also an m1.tiny, but I recommend avoiding that | 15:45 |
| bdrung | Debian CI on amd64 uses 4 threads and takes 36m. | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | locally I use qemu --ram-size=4096 --cpus=4 | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | i.e. for testing amd64 | 15:46 |
| bdrung | so the result is: ginggs is right, big_packages is better than long_tests. | 15:46 |
| bdrung | i'll put it on my agenda to change that (with some numbers on the runtime in the MR) | 15:46 |
| vorlon | jawn-smith: pretty sure we are using a custom VM type that's not an m1.small though I would have to look to see what the difference is | 15:46 |
| jawn-smith | ah okay, thanks for the correction | 15:46 |
| vorlon | also I'm not sure that 'small' and 'large' have a global definition that's guaranteed to be constant over time | 15:47 |
| bdmurray | `tests run on something similar to an m1.small unit` | 15:47 |
| vorlon | right, "similar to", uhh | 15:47 |
| jawn-smith | One more topic. I heard back from cpaelzer about how to tag the MIR bug so it shows up in excuses but doesn't throw off the MIR team. He suggests adding the "update-excuse" tag, tagging the parent package (mutt) and leaving it assigned to someone so it doesn't show up in the MIR team searches | 15:48 |
| jawn-smith | err, not "tagging" the parent package but rather marking it as "affects" | 15:48 |
| bdmurray | that's kind of lame | 15:49 |
| jawn-smith | Okay, anything else? | 15:50 |
| jawn-smith | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:51:19 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-06-02-15.03.moin.txt | 15:51 |
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