[00:36] <cluelessperson> ubuntu keeps crashing my user session
[00:36] <cluelessperson> the de restarts entirely and I have to login fresh
[00:45] <transhumanist> why wont this work? export -f buster-uml="$(pwd)"
[00:45] <transhumanist> or just export buster-uml="$(pwd)"
[00:46] <ablyss> that's like a var inside a var error no?  you might create it in an array
[00:47] <transhumanist> terminal variable is what I am trying to do
[00:47] <transhumanist> I will ask in bash probably a bash question
[00:48] <sarnold> cluelessperson: if you're using gnome, I've heard disabling extensions is usually the first debugging step
[00:49] <ablyss> sorry I was thinking some thing else, you just export foo=${PWD}  not $(PWD)
[00:49] <sarnold> cluelessperson: is there anything in the journal (system and user)?
[00:49] <sarnold> cluelessperson: how about ~/.xsession-errors?
[00:49] <ablyss> transhumanist, ^
[01:55] <rfm> transhumanist, can't have a hyphen in a variable name...
[01:55] <sarnold> oh sheesh
[01:56] <sarnold> I was so busy grumbling about the complexity of bash variables vs environment variables and didn't even notice the far more important bit :)
[01:59] <Bashing-om> !cookie | rfm
[01:59] <sarnold> :D
[02:18] <CodeHorror> Is there any way to DROP a packet at the iptables level based on the contents on the packet?
[02:21] <CodeHorror> nvm https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc.8.html
[02:36] <transhumanist> hi how do I mount a directory as a file hostfs path
[02:38] <transhumanist> put this : none / hostfs defaults 1 1 in /etc/fstab and ran this sudo mount .../root_fs /home/sa/uml/buster-uml -o loop
[02:38] <transhumanist> and yes this is on ubuntu
[02:39] <transhumanist> it says it failed to setup loop device for ...
[02:40] <sarnold> do you need to run losetup by hand first?
[02:41] <sarnold> I haven't done loopback mounts in ages..
[02:42] <transhumanist> I dont know
[03:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Quick question - how do I switch display managers from Openbox to KWin? Would prefer if it was on the fly, I can reboot if needed or if it's simpler.
[03:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Nevermind, looks like I got it. "kwin --replace" seems to have done the trick.
[04:24] <Bochi> hellow
[04:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Bochi: Hello! How can we help you?
[04:26] <Bochi> i got a question re: ubuntu22 autoinstallation. I am trying to set specific apt options during installation, specifically I'd like to disable cnf download. so I use the apt key in cloud-init which according to the documentation: "Apt configuration, used both during the install and once booted into the target system." does what I want. But it doesn't :) when looking at the installation system, I do have a 94curtin in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[04:26] <Bochi> in /tmp/.... (where the installation system resides) and it even works, but later in /target that file is missing
[04:27] <Bochi> so curtin install fails because it tries to install packages in /target where my options are not present
[04:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Bochi: Sadly, I don't know how to fix that, but hopefully someone else here will have ideas.
[04:30] <Bochi> np :) the question really is why is 50command-not-found there in the first place, I mean, that's something that imho doesn't make sense during installation ... and we are using our own repo server (aptly based) which does not download cnf metadata
[05:50] <mncheck> wez, md5 is as good as sha-anything for comparing foo file on iso vs foo file on fat32. in fact cksum would do. or diff. there is zero threat. anyone who could attack your md5 checksum calculation would be able to fake your sha512 calculation as well, both extremely unlikely in the scenario.
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[06:24] <hannahkit420> thanks <3
[06:26] <descent1> finally a normal person!
[06:48] <ducasse> morning
[06:50] <bittin> morning
[06:51] <bobdobbs> morning
[11:02] <miner123456> ok i saw some lights
[11:02] <miner123456> so now i have to configure the network host files or something for auto dhcp
[11:07] <miner123456> are we still using /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:08] <gordonjcp> miner123456: if you have lots of bridges set up, it could be because you have docker running or some virtualisation
[11:09] <gordonjcp> miner123456: what exactly are you trying to do?
[11:09] <miner123456> gordonjcp, yup, i was told before about this when i asked what br* or veth* is for
[11:09] <miner123456> gordonjcp, just getting my second internet line up, that's all
[11:10] <miner123456> i did configure the interface for the first line, but i can't recall which file i edited
[11:10] <murmel> miner123456: if you are on a standard install it's /etc/network/interfaces (as you pointed out)
[11:10] <ogra> miner123456, /etc/network/interfaces has been dead since many years now ...
[11:11] <murmel> ahh oops thought I am in the debian channel
[11:11] <miner123456> i checked /etc/network/interfaces and its empty, so i reckon that's not the one i used before
[11:11] <ogra> even debian dropped it quite a while ago 🙂
[11:11] <miner123456> do we have anything that we can edit for network that ends with .d ?
[11:11] <murmel> ogra: no?
[11:11] <ogra> ifupdown is gone AFAIK
[11:11] <murmel> ogra: debian still uses it (ifupdown2)
[11:11] <ogra> there might be a successor that uses that dir, not sure
[11:12] <ogra> yeah
[11:12] <miner123456> i cannot use ifup <interface> if its not configured yet, correct?
[11:12] <ogra> either way, ubuntu uses netplan ... which acts as frontend to systemd-networkd and network-manager
[11:13] <murmel> miner123456: look into netplan, it's quite nice after figuring out :) still have my own issues with it, but I don't hate it
[11:13] <miner123456> yes i was just about too google netplan
[11:13] <ogra> if you need up/down scripts with systemd-networkd: https://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/963-if-up-and-if-down-scripts-with-systemd.html
[11:14] <Unit193> ogra: In Debian, ifupdown is still "Priority: important"
[11:14] <ogra> the netplan.io page has a lot of docs and examples
[11:14] <ogra> Unit193, ifupdown or ifupdown2 ?
[11:14] <miner123456> oh yes, i found the configuration which i added before, i was using netplan before
[11:14] <Unit193> ogra: ifupdown2 is just someone re-investing ifupdown.  I meant ifupdown.
[11:14] <ogra> i'm pretty sure the former is gone (whch caused netplan development in the first place)
[11:14] <Unit193> ...Re-inventing.
[11:14] <ogra> hmm
[11:15] <Unit193> !info ifupdown debian
[11:15] <ogra> heh
[11:15] <Unit193> !info ifupdown unstable
[11:15] <ogra> wow
[11:15] <ogra> i stand corrected
[11:17] <Unit193> (Ubuntu still uses netplan and not ifupdown, so moot point.  But good to know.)
[11:17] <miner123456> after updating yaml, do i need to restart it?
[11:18] <ogra> "sudo netplan try" or "sudo netplan apply" ..
[11:18] <ogra> (try will allow yu to roll back in case you notice issues)
[11:19] <miner123456> oh nice, i saw ip a showing it as up now
[11:20] <murmel> ogra: do you happen to know whats going on here? https://paste.debian.net/1242918/
[11:20] <miner123456> but of course, whether it works remains to be seen
[11:21] <ogra> murmel, your indendation is wrong (the amount of spaces is essential in .yaml)
[11:22] <ogra> murmel, https://netplan.io/examples/#configuring-network-bridges
[11:22] <murmel> ogra: i was just copying from netplan.io/examples which has the same indentation
[11:22] <murmel> oh oops, seems like I was too tired
[11:22] <murmel> thanks ogra
[11:22] <ogra> no, it does not 🙂
[11:25] <murmel> ogra: well thanks again, working now :)
[11:25] <ogra> 👍
[11:25] <murmel> the netplan config
[11:36] <miner123456> are there any shortcuts to determine what is your public ip from the command line?
[11:37] <oerheks> miner123456, yes, but that requires communication with a certain website
[11:37] <miner123456> ok, its just strange that i can get the interface up, but i am unable to ping anything with -I
[11:37] <miner123456> will try again
[11:39] <oerheks> curl ifconfig.me  // wget -qO- https://ipecho.net/plain ; echo //
[11:39] <miner123456> thanks
[11:40] <miner123456> oh i got it to work, i misconfigured the ip addresses under netplan, it was overwriting the router ip
[11:40] <oerheks> :-)
[11:41] <Unit193> Might be able to get it with upnpc -l, if upnp is enabled.
[11:41] <miner123456> ipecho is good, just ip result, no bullcrap ads and stuff
[11:43] <oerheks> indeed, works for ipv4 and ipv6
[11:43] <MiLeon> hello
[11:43] <oerheks> Unit193, +1
[11:43] <MiLeon> i have a problem with a installation from ubuntu 22.04 on a Lenovo L470. the installation stopps with E/A error. I have replaced with a other ssd, but same problem
[11:43] <oerheks> Midid you check the ubuntu iso with md5sum?
[11:44] <oerheks> oops, typo, MiLeon
[11:44] <MiLeon> no, thank you. i check this
[11:44] <oerheks> !md5sum
[11:45] <oerheks> updates require reboot, brb
[11:47] <MiLeon> thank you oerheks! wrong checksum
[11:48] <oerheks> MiLeon,  oke, direct download sometimes got corrupted, i prefer to torrent the iso
[11:48] <oerheks> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[11:48] <MiLeon> i try currently with wget. if the same error i use torrent
[11:51] <MiLeon> oerheks, no is the correct checksum
[11:51] <MiLeon> oerheks, now is the correct checksum
[11:52] <oerheks> oke, have fun with the 2nd try
[11:52] <MiLeon> jo thank you bye
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:08] <ice9> can openvpn 2.5 client connect to openvpn 2.3 server? if so, what should be the specified ciphers and tls-cipher?
[12:18] <MiLeon> oerheks, it works! many thanks
[12:19]  * MiLeon send oerheks a cup of cofee and cookies
[12:53] <oerheks> openvpn 2.3 server is EOL, AFAIK
[13:10] <Olivier67> Hi all ,
[13:11] <Olivier67> I have an issue with Ubuntu cloud images that I would deploy using cloud-init under a ESXI server
[13:11] <Olivier67> I'm using the settings guestinfo.userdata and encoding .
[13:12] <Olivier67> Some settings from my userdata are taken into account like the hostname but the user that I would add , it is not the case
[13:21] <ogra> Olivier67, try #ubuntu-server ... (chances to find cloud-init specialists are bigger over there)
[13:24] <Olivier67> thanks ogra
[13:27] <oerheks> kernel update 5.15.0-35
[14:23] <gordonjcp> Starmina2:
[14:24] <gordonjcp> sarnold: I tried "snap connections" and a baffling list of things came up
[14:24] <gordonjcp> sarnold: I haven't the foggiest what any of them mean
[14:24] <gordonjcp> I guess firefox is a dead project on Linux, then
[14:26] <ogra> gordonjcp, ??
[14:29] <gordonjcp> ogra: firefox is broken
[14:29] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: far from dead
[14:29] <gordonjcp> ogra: nobody seems keen to do anything about it
[14:29] <ogra> gordonjcp, file selection dialogs are coming from your desktop for snaps (or srtictly confined flatpaks), not from the snap ... somthing is broken with xdg-portals in your desktop setup if you can not pick files ...
[14:29] <gordonjcp> ogra: okay, whatever
[14:29] <gordonjcp> ogra: in a stock install of Ubuntu 22.04, firefox does not work
[14:30] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: it does work here, what exactly goes wrong?
[14:30] <ogra> even without working portals, FF should still fall back to use the home interface and allow you access to all unhidden files in your home though
[14:30] <ogra> gordonjcp, on about 6 machines it works fine OOTB here
[14:30] <gordonjcp> SleepyMario: nothing that looks for any sort of file dialogue box works
[14:30] <gordonjcp> SleepyMario: so, you can't download, you can't upload, you can't save PDFs
[14:30] <gordonjcp> so, firefox is a brick, at this stage
[14:31] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: this is a completely fresh install without any tweaking?
[14:31] <gordonjcp> SleepyMario: completely fresh install
[14:31] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: let's wait for some devs to drop in, or file a bug report.
[14:31] <ogra> well, we'd have a trending bug if it was like that for everyone ...
[14:31] <SleepyMario> ogra: exactly
[14:31] <gordonjcp> freshly downloaded 22.04, freshly installed, actually on a brand new SSD but that was by coincidence
[14:31] <ogra> (which it obviously is not)
[14:32] <gordonjcp> ogra: I'm running into the same problem on about four or five machines
[14:33] <tomreyn> you should file a bug report - if there's a bug tracker
[14:33] <ogra> gordonjcp, weird ... no issues here, nobody complained in this channel apart from you and i surely haven''t heard abut any bug around this
[14:34] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: you will have to provide more details. at least try to run firefox from a terminal and share the output here.
[14:35] <tomreyn> snap info firefox | grep ^contact
[14:35] <ogra> in general the xdg-desktop-portal, xdg-desktop-portal-gnome and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk debs of the desktop task manage file selection dialogs ...
[14:36] <ogra> (but as i said, even without them you should be able to access all unhidden files in yur home dir)
[14:36] <gordonjcp> SleepyMario: nothing hugely significant, "Gtk-Message: 15:35:18.323: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[14:36] <ogra> yeah, thats normal
[14:37] <gordonjcp> I'd actually expect firefox to be a lot more chatty than that
[14:37] <ogra> gordonjcp, and while you try to open some file ? anything in journalctl output ?
[14:37] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: the "devs" do not come here to field support questions. Telling people to wait here for them is not productive. That's what filing bugs is for
[14:37] <ogra> apparmor or seccomp denials, feedback from the xdg portal invocation etc ...
[14:38] <SleepyMario> i'm sure there actually is a dev here sometimes
[14:38] <SleepyMario> after all, this is a community effort, yadda yadda
[14:39] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: regardless if some of the devs are in here, waiting for them to reply is unproductive and not the purpose of this channel. File bugs
[14:39] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: don't tell me
[14:39] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: I just did
[14:39] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: just try to hide your real purpose
[14:39] <gordonjcp> ogra: wouldn't know what to look for in journalctl
[14:40] <gordonjcp> ogra: isn't it basically a sealed proprietary black box?
[14:40] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: after so many years you're still completely incapable. please. imagine that you don't have goals.
[14:40] <SleepyMario> then suddenly you don't have to do all this.
[14:40] <ogra> gordonjcp, "journalctl -f" in a second terminal ... then start firefox and try to open a file
[14:40] <SleepyMario> can't you understand?
[14:41] <SleepyMario> you have lofty goals
[14:41] <SleepyMario> i have impossible goals that are used for scientific experiments anyway
[14:41] <ogra> gordonjcp, nah ... nothing is sealed, in cubic shape or black here ...
[14:41] <SleepyMario> and that ends it no?
[14:41] <ogra> gordonjcp, everyting is opensource ...
[14:42] <gordonjcp> ogra: but you can't just look at normal logs any more
[14:42] <ogra> ??
[14:42] <gordonjcp> Linux is getting to be increasingly a pain in the backside to deal with, with stuff like pulseaudio and systemd
[14:42] <ogra> journalctl gives you "normal logs"
[14:42] <gordonjcp> ogra: but then you've got an extra step
[14:42] <gordonjcp> I just want to look at (for example) syslog
[14:42] <oerheks> these are known issues with firefox, reinstall might work
[14:42] <ogra> in parallel (silly but true) ubuntu still installs rsyslog, so you can still use the "old way"
[14:43] <SleepyMario> this is just a troll
[14:43] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: journalctl as opposed to cat or tail? zero extra steps
[14:43] <gordonjcp> I need to output from journalctl to some intermediate file, then work with that, and then pick apart all the clutter
[14:43] <ogra> all logging happens in parallel t syslog and journald
[14:43] <ogra> *to
[14:43] <oerheks> SleepyMario, you are not helpfull
[14:43] <ogra> huh ?
[14:43] <SleepyMario> oerheks: zegt iemand met de naam oerheks
[14:43] <ogra> why would you have to pip anything to an extra file
[14:44] <ogra> *pipe
[14:45] <gordonjcp> ogra: because otherwise you have to allow for reading from stdin
[14:45] <SleepyMario> the tech world needs to be toned down
[14:45] <SleepyMario> this is a huge problem
[14:45] <gordonjcp> I seriously dislike Linux these days
[14:45] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: please stay on topic
[14:45] <gordonjcp> but yeah, -ot
[14:45] <oerheks> Someone reported in https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404941/no-file-save-dialog-for-snap-applications that installing these two packages helped:   xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[14:45] <gordonjcp> oerheks: aha, I'll take a look at that
[14:45] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: waiting until you contribute
[14:46] <leftyfb> oerheks: funny what a little googling finds huh?
[14:46] <oerheks> but reinstall should work too?
[14:46] <Maik> SleepyMario: enough of that.
[14:46] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: that doesn't show up in Google for me; perhaps it's because it's in a foreign language?
[14:46] <ogra> jou<tab> | grep "whatilookfor" .... vs grep "whatilookfor" /va<tab>/lo<tab>/sys<tab> ...
[14:46] <gordonjcp> oerheks: reinstall is just about complete
[14:46] <oerheks> gordonjcp, sorry to tell ya; bing it
[14:46] <SleepyMario> Maik: what is wrong with you? you didn't even provide a single solution
[14:46] <ogra> the first one is actually a lot less typing
[14:46] <gordonjcp> oerheks: hah
[14:47] <Maik> SleepyMario: please try to behave
[14:47] <gordonjcp> actually what am I talking about, it doesn't work on my laptop either
[14:47] <SleepyMario> Maik: Please try to actually say something sensible
[14:47] <gordonjcp> oerheks: yes, installing xdg-desktop-portal-gtk fixes it
[14:47] <gordonjcp> oerheks: on at least one machine showing the fault
[14:47] <ogra> gordonjcp, why did you remove it ?
[14:47] <gordonjcp> ogra: I didn't
[14:47] <ogra> it is part of the default install
[14:48] <gordonjcp> ogra: remember, this is on a clean install
[14:48] <gordonjcp> mmm, are you sure?
[14:48] <SleepyMario> that's all there was
[14:48] <gordonjcp> we're talking about an install that's about an hour and a half old by this point now
[14:48] <ogra> gordonjcp, apt-cache show xdg-desktop-portal-gtk|grep Task
[14:48] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: we were earlier than you, if that's your point
[14:48] <ogra> it is in *all* the desktop tasks ... installed by default everywhere
[14:49] <ogra> gordonjcp, what install media did you use ?
[14:49] <gordonjcp> ogra: E: No packages found
[14:49] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[14:49] <gordonjcp> ogra: and on one where I have manually installed, Task: ubuntu-desktop-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-raspi, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, xubuntu-core, xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop, ubuntu-mate-core, ubuntu-mate-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop-raspi
[14:49] <ogra> right
[14:49] <gordonjcp> ogra: USB
[14:49] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: is this a server install or "minimal" install?
[14:49] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: plain ordinary Ubuntu desktop
[14:49] <ogra> gordonjcp, where did you get that install image from was what i meant
[14:50] <leftyfb> maybe a corrupt or non-official image
[14:50] <ogra> i dont care if you wrote it to DV or USB 🙂
[14:50] <ogra> *DVD
[14:50] <gordonjcp> ogra: oh, https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[14:50] <SleepyMario> the trolling antenna is not working in this channel\
[14:50] <ogra> this looks like some broken image ... since this package is a hard dependency of all desktop tasks
[14:50] <leftyfb> according to https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.manifest  xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is installed by default
[14:50] <oerheks> !ot > SleepyMario
[14:50] <gordonjcp> ogra: technically I *can* write it to DV, over firewire, but I don't know how useful that would be :-D
[14:50] <gordonjcp> ogra: baffling
[14:50] <oerheks> SleepyMario, next time you might be removed.
[14:51] <gordonjcp> well, anyway, thanks everyone for the help, at least now I know what to do about it
[14:51] <ogra> gordonjcp, well ...
[14:51] <ogra> gordonjcp, it would still be good to know how you actually got into that situation ... have you checked the checksums of the image ?
[14:52] <ogra> perhaps somethig failed when writing it ... etc
[14:52] <SleepyMario> yeah i'm sure someone faking firefox issues is more important than pointing that out in a very friendly way oerheks
[14:52] <SleepyMario> oerheks: reveals your Dutch roots bw
[14:52] <SleepyMario> *bwt
[14:52] <SleepyMario> *btw
[14:52] <ogra> SleepyMario, stop being do confrontative please
[14:52] <ogra> *so
[14:52] <gordonjcp> ogra: yeah I'm leaning towards some Mysterious Cosmic Ray Bit Flip Causes Filesystem Chaos headline here
[14:52] <gordonjcp> ogra: or possibly "Computers Do Be Like That Doh"
[14:52] <ogra> yeah, something like that
[14:52] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1970424
[14:53] <leftyfb> ioria: good find
[14:53] <ioria> tx
[14:54] <gordonjcp> okay
[14:54] <gordonjcp> ogra: right, now this is very strange
[14:54] <ioria> the problem with the 'minimal' install
[14:54] <gordonjcp> ogra: one of the other laptops that *was* exhibiting this behaviour is now - as of a few minutes ago - not exhibiting this behaviour
[14:54] <oerheks> This bug was fixed in the package gnome-session - 42.0-1ubuntu3
[14:54] <ogra> ioria, aha ! 👍
[14:54] <SleepyMario> gordonjcp: thanks for providing the ubuntu team with a curious case of firefox bugs
[14:54] <gordonjcp> ogra: but I didn't install the missing package
[14:54] <leftyfb> ioria: right, this is why I asked if this was a minimal install
[14:54] <ioria> yep
[14:55] <SleepyMario> you folk don't even pretend that you do things a normal way
[14:55] <SleepyMario> so insanely low
[14:55] <gordonjcp> ogra: at this point I think the whole damn thing is just plain haunted, or something, I should stop watching Stranger Things on it
[14:55] <oerheks> !ops | give SleepyMario some free time outside this channel
[14:55] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: please stop
[14:55] <renevpar> buenas
[14:55] <oerheks> hi renevpar
[14:56] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: I would download a fresh iso from ubuntu.com and run an md5 check on it and then flash the usb again
[14:56] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: yeah
[14:57] <SleepyMario> thanks for thanks for helping for offering some support
[14:57] <SleepyMario> i'm glad the issue has been solved
[14:57] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: I might just run the USB stick down to a mate of mine who is a CoS minister, and have him bless it just to be sure about the haunted thing
[14:57] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: stop
[14:57] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: solve the issue and stop whining.
[14:57] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: the bug looks to have been fixed about 3 weeks ago. If you downloaded the iso before that, you wouldn't have the updated installer
[14:58] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: aaaaaaah
[14:58] <ogra> gordonjcp, and it sems to only affect the minimal install ... which is probably less often used
[14:58] <SleepyMario> a non up-to-date iso ...that's a big surprise
[14:58] <leftyfb> gordonjcp: again, that's only for a minimal desktop install though. If you are doing the full install, you shouldn't be running into this at all
[14:59] <leftyfb> SleepyMario: stop
[14:59] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: ... which corresponds with when I installed 22.04 on my desktop, which corresponds with when the problem started
[14:59] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: okay, well maybe that doesn't explain it
[14:59] <gordonjcp> odd
[14:59] <gordonjcp> anyway
[14:59] <SleepyMario> leftyfb: what is wrong with you?
[15:00] <SleepyMario> i thought that the ubuntu folk were full of very capable people having such a huge community
[15:00] <ogra> SleepyMario, i really hate having to ban people, please stay quiet unless you have something helpful to cntribute to the conversation
[15:00] <SleepyMario> it turns out that the actual level is hilariously low
[15:00] <SleepyMario> almost like real life
[15:01] <transhumanist> where can I get kernel dump help?
[15:01] <oerheks> !ops | remove SleepyMario please
[15:02] <transhumanist> pound linuxhelp seems dead
[15:02] <leftyfb> transhumanist: #linux
[15:02] <SleepyMario> yeah big emergency
[15:02] <SleepyMario> big, big, big emergency
[15:02] <transhumanist> ah ok got the wrong channel thought it was #linuxhelp
[15:02] <transhumanist> thaks
[15:03] <SleepyMario> of people who wan to force their stuff through
[15:03] <ogra> SleepyMario, please stop or you'll get banned ...
[15:03] <SleepyMario> ogra: ban me, mr. overload. at least i didn't say anything remotely abnormal.
[15:03] <SleepyMario> you're just what you are
[15:04] <SleepyMario> hired by the scientist
[15:04] <SleepyMario> forcing their programs through blindly
[15:05] <tomreyn> please calm down, everyone who was involved in this discussion. this person was just the worst offender.
[15:05] <ogra> tomreyn, bah, i was just looking up the commands, thanks 🙂
[15:26] <cbreak> someone got a sumary of the drama? :P
[15:27] <ogra> irclogs.ubuntu.com does 😉
[15:29] <oerheks> cbreak, oh, and you might find the solution for your Firefox issue too
[15:29] <oerheks> Someone reported in https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404941/no-file-save-dialog-for-snap-applications that installing these two packages helped:   xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[15:30] <cbreak> oerheks: oh, that problem somehow disappeared. Not sure why... I do have xdg-desktop-portal-kde (I'm on kubuntu)
[15:31] <oerheks> oh oke
[15:31] <BluesKaj> here's an alternative to the FF snap version  https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04
[15:31] <cbreak> the snap firefox now seems to work ok, mostly, apart from the problem with password manager connectivity
[15:31] <cbreak> and the significantly less problematic problem of not being able to change the icon :)
[15:35] <ogra> BluesKaj, we should not promote PPAs here (despite the fact that this PPA might go away)
[15:36] <ogra> cbreak, there is a test snap for the native-messaging-protocol support (password managers, gnome extensions etc) ...
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ogra, this ppa updates the FF package if one follows the instructions on the above page
[15:38] <ogra> BluesKaj, it installs a third party firefox from some external source that will likely soon go away s people will be left with whatever their last version was and will never get updates again
[15:38] <oerheks> that would give Firefox ESR 91
[15:39] <enigma9o7[m]> Ogra, why do you predict it will soon go away?  ricotz maintains tons and tons of ppas for years, never had one go away before....
[15:39] <BluesKaj> this one is FF 100.0.2
[15:40] <ogra> enigma9o7[m], i expect mozilla to ask for that evetually ... since they were the driving force behind going with the snap in the first place
[15:40] <ogra> enigma9o7[m], but anyway, PPAs are not supported in this channel so we should also not point people to them here
[15:43] <BluesKaj> just a suggestion, i agree most ppas aren't upgraded with the kernel upgrades, but I'll trust this page since it's omgubuntu.co.uk/
[15:44] <ogra> BluesKaj, well, that wont help if the PPA is shot down ... people just stay quietly on the last version and ar using an insecure browser
[15:44] <enigma9o7[m]> oh the horror
[15:45] <ogra> no need to be snarky
[15:46] <BluesKaj> oh lord, no adventurous stuff allowed
[15:46] <cbreak> browsers are probably the category of programs where updating is most important.
[15:46] <ogra> if you want to point people to alternatives, point them to the tarball install instructions ...
[15:46] <cbreak> maybe behind actual server software, but as end user those shouldn't be too relevant
[15:47] <cbreak> will 20.04 switch to snapfox?
[15:47] <ogra> nope
[15:47] <enigma9o7[m]> No, 18.04 and 20.04 still using debian packaging.
[15:47] <cbreak> if not, then you could always run the old LTS
[15:47] <cbreak> maybe inside lxc
[15:58] <leftyfb> cbreak: to be clear, Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 20.04 and 21.10 all have the latest firefox snap available
[15:59] <cbreak> yeah, that's not too surprising. Snap fox should be somewhat independent of the underlying os
[16:01] <cbreak> seems to be based on core20...
[16:02] <javaJake> Is there a reason that all the numbers besides the time, size, c, and avail columns in arcstat are zero'ed out on Ubuntu 22.04? I spent a good amount of time on Google and in man pages and feel dumb but can't figure this out.
[16:02] <cbreak> wonder how that works, if a program inside snap tries to use new kernel API that's not available in an older host OS
[16:03] <leftyfb> cbreak: might be a question for #snappy
[16:03] <cbreak> javaJake: they might just be rounded down. I usually use arc_summary for more long-term information
[16:04] <ravage> javaJake, https://p.haxxors.com/po64749h.txt
[16:04] <ravage> there is just not a lot going on here
[16:05] <javaJake> Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
[16:05] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/hpslvsr1.txt with some action
[16:05] <javaJake> Oh, and these are all miss stats so you want them to be low
[16:06] <ravage> right
[16:10] <WeeBey98> hi friends. I'm hitting a bit of a wall with some research...
[16:11] <WeeBey98> openssh does not use libssh?
[16:11] <WeeBey98> I'm testing out some ubuntu server versions
[16:12] <ravage> WeeBey98, apt show openssh-server|grep Depends
[16:13] <WeeBey98> ravage, this is useful thank you!
[16:13] <leftyfb> also: apt rdepends libssh-4|grep openssh-server
[16:14] <WeeBey98> So, it doesn't depend on libssh. Ok, so how can I have an ssh server that uses libssh?
[16:14] <leftyfb> WeeBey98: why?
[16:15] <WeeBey98> (This is for a school project for an intrusion class. we just want to use a 2018 CVE)
[16:15] <cbreak> ldd /usr/sbin/sshd
[16:15] <WeeBey98> leftyfb, I'll admit that it's quite a lot to take in.
[16:15] <cbreak> WeeBey98: maybe you need to use an ancient ubuntu for that... CVEs should get fixed rather quickly :)
[16:15] <ravage> then find a tool that is actually vulnerable
[16:16] <WeeBey98> cbreak, I have Ubuntu server 17.04 R1
[16:16] <WeeBey98> ravage, https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2018-10933
[16:16] <ravage> yes. ok. sshd does not use that lib. move on
[16:17] <WeeBey98> ravage, right. That was my question. Do you know what ssh server does? Or any alt servers?
[16:18] <ravage> no idea
[16:18] <oerheks> Ubuntu server 17.04 R1 ??
[16:18] <leftyfb> they might mean GA?
[16:19] <oerheks> i wonder how yo would deploy that, even with the old-release updates
[16:19] <ravage> i just ignored that version number. did not really matter :D
[16:20] <WeeBey98> oerheks, It seemed to work...
[16:21] <WeeBey98> (deploying that old server)
[16:24] <WeeBey98> Ah man, I'm having a hard time with this.
[16:30] <Guest3965> привет
[16:31] <Babaj> Здарова
[16:31] <leftyfb> !ru } Guest3965
[16:31] <leftyfb> !ru | Guest3965
[16:34] <WaV> Somewhat of a trivial issue. Ubuntu 22.04 - Ever since setting a static ip (to fix an issue with my connection getting disabled by network manager for whatever reason), i get a question mark over my network activity icon in the upper right hand side of my screen. Simply running "   nmcli networking connectivity check   " changes the icon to show that there is connectivity. I was under the impression that the
[16:34] <WaV> connectivity checks were done regularly. If this is not the case, whats the best way to run this check regularly? Crontab doesn't seem to have the same effect when scheduling the command and a startup bash script in .config/autostart doesn't appear to have the same effect either.
[16:35] <WaV> I should claify that it mostly happens on reboot, but occasionally on other instances that I cannot pin-point specifically.
[16:44] <oerheks> WaV,  maybe it is the same issue..
[16:44] <oerheks> what have you tried? reset router?
[16:51] <WaV> oerheks: No. I have Internet connectivity when the icon shows a question mark. Running the command doesn't do anything functionally. It just changes the icon to show that there is connectivity.
[16:52] <WaV> "No" being a response to resetting the router, not disagreeing that its the same issue.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> WaV: while you test around, leave a journalctl -f open so you can share the output in a pastebin so the volunteers can help you debug better
[16:55] <WaV> lotuspsyc: nothing really to report from what I can see other than a couple UFW blocks to my router.
[16:56] <WaV> I would have to have the journal open when I reboot which is kinda difficult I would imagine.
[17:02] <WaV> There also a couple UFW blocks to my Chromecast as well every so often, but that's about it.
[17:03] <leftyfb> WaV: ufs isn't enabled by default
[17:03] <leftyfb> WaV: also, ufw doesn't block individual applications
[17:03] <WaV> I know. just reporting the output of journal as lotuspsyc suggested.
[17:13] <WaV> https://pastebin.com/ScW3Sv84
[17:14] <WaV> Some of that looks to be of conern regarding the issue, but I can't make sense of it.
[17:19] <oerheks>  systemd-networkd is not running .. how did you set your static IP ?
[17:19] <WaV> oerheks: /etc/network/interfaces
[17:20] <leftyfb> uh
[17:20] <leftyfb> WaV: /etc/network/interfaces is not used in 22.04, nor should it be used for any desktop environment
[17:20] <WaV> leftyfb: Judging by your response, I'm assuming that's not a favorable way of doing it?
[17:20] <WaV> leftyfb: Ok, what do you recommend?
[17:20] <oerheks> And what guide did you follow? there are more steps to be done than just use /etc/network/interfaces
[17:21] <oerheks> example https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-switch-back-networking-to-etc-network-interfaces-on-ubuntu-22-04-jammy-jellyfish-linux
[17:21] <leftyfb> WaV: was this a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04 or did you upgrade from 18.04 at some point?
[17:21] <WaV> leftyfb: fresh install.
[17:22] <leftyfb> WaV: then how did you manage to ..... you have a big mess on your hands, no wonder you're having issues
[17:22] <WaV> oerheks: The things that I did not do in that guide were edit/update grub and change the interface name.
[17:22] <leftyfb> WaV: personally, I would reinstall and stick with the network manager that's built in
[17:23] <oerheks> networkmanager can set a profile as you please, indeed
[17:24] <WaV> leftyfb: Well I did that originally. I had no plan of setting a static as I have DHCP reservation on my router. But the only problem is every couple of days, I would go to use my computer and the wired interface would be disabled in the gui.
[17:25] <WaV> leftyfb: and looking at the logs, it appeared that my computer would randomly do a DHCP request and then just disable the ethernet card upon failure.
[17:25] <WaV> setting the static the way I did keeps the Internet functional 24/7
[17:26] <leftyfb> WaV: NM can set static ip's just fine. As can netplan if you don't want to use GUI. But going back to ifupdown is definitely not the right answer
[17:26] <WaV> I don't notice an issue other than you telling me there is an issue.
[17:27] <oerheks> but .. you still suffer these hickups..
[17:27] <WaV> So what would be the steps to revert back and set a static in a method which is preferable?
[17:28] <WaV> oerheks: The hickups being the icon doesn't show connectivity. Like I said, I always have Internet. At this point the issue is trivial. It's just a visual annoyance.
[17:28] <WaV> I can restart and show you what I mean. Do you recommend a good image pastebin?
[17:29] <oerheks> if you reed that guide, you will notice some cloud init and stuff to be disabled/removed
[17:30] <oerheks> how about just remove /etc/network/interfaces and enable networkmanager again?
[17:31] <WaV> oerheks: Willing to try, sure. How do I re-enable network manager though? Is it automatic?
[17:31] <oerheks> well, you know what steps you did.. with out that info hard to tell, did you just disable it, or mask?
[17:32] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable/start NetworkManager.service
[17:32] <WaV> I'll pastebin the steps from my bash_history
[17:32] <oerheks> systemctl status NetworkManager.service
[17:33] <WaV> https://pastebin.com/rfstgtBf
[17:34] <WaV> oerheks: active/running
[17:39] <WaV> oerheks: Is this a good start? " sudo rm /etc/network/interfaces && sudo apt remove ifupdown && sudo rm -rf /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/ "
[17:40] <rfm> WaV, I'd "apt purge ifupdown" instead to clean up any leftover config
[17:41] <WaV> rfm: Ok, but before I do that. What do I need to do on the Network Manager side of things? It appears to be running already. How do I tell it to start managing the ethernet interface again?
[17:43] <rfm> WaV, run nm-connection-editor (I don't know how to get to it in gnome, I use xubuntu), set the static IP, enable the connection
[17:43] <WaV> just restart NetworkManager or?
[17:43] <WaV> ok standby
[17:43] <leftyfb> rfm: what's wrong with just using the GUI to configure the network?
[17:44] <rfm> leftyfb, nm-connection-editor *is* the GUI to configure the network...
[17:46] <WaV> Done: static set.
[17:46] <leftyfb> rfm: nm-connection-editor is "A" GUI configuration tool, but it is not the one that is built into the desktop settings application
[17:48] <rfm> leftyfb, great.  Never use the gnome desktop so I couldn't tell anybody out to get to it (one of the reasons I don't use gnome is I can never find anything in it)
[17:48] <leftyfb> rfm: settings -> network
[17:52] <WaV> Any output you want to see to check if everything is kosher?
[17:56] <WaV> Also, would there have been any additional services installed/enabled from installing the ifupdown package that would need to be disabled/removed?
[18:01] <Wh0> emacs:how to set default path so that everytime i type C-x-f, it opens that path
[18:02] <leftyfb> Wh0: try #emacs
[18:03] <WaV> leftyfb: I don't know if you saw the list of commands that I ran to set a static via /etc/network/interfaces, but would you say I followed the correct steps to revert back to default and that you revert your recommendation of re-installing?
[18:04] <leftyfb> WaV: I've never had to revert so I don't know for sure
[18:04] <WaV> leftyfb: Understood. Well it appears to be working fine. I didn't even drop (as you probably noticed). The journal even shows where NetworkManager set the static.
[18:05] <leftyfb> WaV: I would reboot to be sure
[18:05] <WaV> leftyfb: fair enough, brb
[18:08] <WaV> leftyfb: Well it's still working, and additionally ... the icon shows connectivity without me manually having to check.
[18:08] <WaV> Sooo success? :)
[18:08] <leftyfb> WaV: you should investigate possible issues with your router now so you can set dhcp without dropping
[18:09] <WaV> Well none of the other devices in my home drop like that, nor did this computer drop either when 18.04 was installed. The issue started happening when I wiped and installed 22.04 2 weeks ago.
[18:09] <WaV> If it works with static, I'm just not going to mess with it.
[18:11] <asusfirst> ciao
[18:11] <asusfirst> !list
[18:12] <leftyfb> asusfirst: what do you need help with?
[18:14] <WaV> 14:07:08 Laptop networkd-dispatcher[776]: WARNING: systemd-networkd is not running, output will be incomplete.
[18:14] <WaV> This still popped up in the journal
[18:14] <WaV> after the restart
[18:17] <WaV> I don't know if that a default service to 22.04, but I did not manually enable it.
[18:19] <leftyfb> systemd-networkd doesn't need to be run when you have network-manager
[18:21] <WaV> leftyfb: Can it be disabled then? If so, is it " sudo systemctl disable systemd-networkd  " ?
[18:21] <WaV> and does that include networkd-dispatcher as well?
[18:22] <leftyfb> you can disable systemd-networkd, leave dispatcher
[18:22] <WaV> leftyfb: Thanks!
[18:39] <WaV> leftyfb: Wait, doesnt Network Manager have its own dispatcher service?
[18:52] <WaV> hrm " wget https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.manifest -q -O - | cut -f 1 | grep networkd-dispatcher " returns true (installed by default). Interesting.
[18:54] <leftyfb> yes, and it's enabled by default. I don't know why you think you need to disable it
[18:56] <WaV> leftyfb: It's package description says its similar to NetworkManager-dispatcher so it sounded like a package that wasn't necessary (as I am now using NetworkManager again). But I'm leaving it alone.
[18:57] <WaV> Just trying to understand, that's all. If my connection doesn't randomly deactivate in a couple days I'll call this whole process a win.
[19:22] <ice9> on optimus laptop, with ubuntu 22.04; nvidia card is not the primary glx renderer in Wayland session; how to make it primary?
[19:23] <leftyfb> ice9: install/enable nvidia drivers
[19:23] <ice9> leftyfb, I'm already using ngidia driver
[19:23] <sarnold> can you disable the onboard in the bios?
[19:24] <ice9> sarnold, no
[19:26] <thelounge6904> ice9 use tool called prime-select
[19:26] <WaV> ice9: Have you tried this? Application Menu --> Nvidia X Server Settings --> PRIME profiles --> Make sure onboard graphics isn't selected
[19:26] <WaV> ice9: or that ^
[19:35] <ice99> WaV, it's already selected, nvidia performance mode
[19:36] <ice99> thelounge3804, ^
[19:37] <ice99> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa Intel
[19:38] <strk> I'm getting errors from the installer. unsquashfs exits with status 1, doesn't tell much about why
[19:39] <strk> it could be the USB key is damaged
[19:39] <strk> is there a way to install from network ?
[19:39] <oerheks> could be the iso was damaged before putting it on that usb?
[19:39] <oerheks> !md5sum
[19:40] <zteam> Hi all, quick question, since I upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04 I just realized I can't send nano to background to run a second terminal program, this worked perfectly before, now I'm instead prompting about using another much clunkier keyboard shortcut ??
[19:40] <zteam> Why isnn't ctrl+z able to pause the process as usual?
[19:41] <leftyfb> zteam: what's wrong with just opening another terminal tab or window?
[19:43] <leftyfb> zteam: if you hit ctrl+z in nano, it pops up a message telling you to hit ctrl+t then ctrl+z to background it
[19:44] <strk> oerheks: sum matches
[19:45] <zteam> leftyfb,first of all, I don't find it as convienent, second of all, imagine, for some reason, what if you need to troubleshoot some error, some day and your graphical enviroment gets broken
[19:45] <leftyfb> zteam: ctrl+alt+F2
[19:45] <leftyfb> zteam: file a bug against the latest version of nano
[19:45] <leftyfb> !bug | zteam
[19:50] <zteam> leftyfb, well, pressing CTRL+T before CTRL+Z works admittely,That's good enough, although I don't understand why it doesn't pause it without, CTRL+T
[19:50] <leftyfb> zteam: because nano is capturing keypresses for it's own uses
[19:50] <leftyfb> specifically, CTRL+*
[19:51] <zteam> leftyfb, that's true, I just tought since it doesn't make any use of CTRL+Z itself :-)
[19:52] <strk> on a second attempt it worked
[19:53] <oerheks> :-)
[19:53] <oerheks> strk, if this happens more than once, do a memtest86 run
[19:55] <strk> oerheks: doesn't that only check RAM ?
[19:55] <oerheks> yes
[19:55] <oerheks> if one bit fails, ..
[20:02] <zteam> leftyfb, thanks for your help Lefty :)
[20:17] <strk> can memtest86 run during use ?
[20:17] <strk> which one, btw ?
[20:18] <strk> memtest86+ - thorough real-mode memory tester
[20:18] <strk> memtester - Utility for testing the memory subsystem
[20:18] <zteam> strk, nope it canät
[20:18] <strk> pcmemtest - stand-alone memory tester
[20:20] <sarnold> what does it mean "run during use"?
[20:20] <zteam> strk, nope it can't, there are other memory tester which can, but I don't recommend it, since it can't test the memory used by the os, also, if it would be find errors, how to know if these errors came from software ord hardware-faults
[20:21] <zteam> sarnold, he is asking if he can use Memtest from within Ubuntu
[20:22] <sarnold> zteam: ah! that makes sense, thanks
[20:22] <zteam> sarnold, :-)
[20:24] <strk> so I would need to boot from the usb key and run memtest from there I guess ?
[20:24] <strk> or is it a bios feature ?
[20:24] <sarnold> if you install the package, it should add itself to your grub menu
[20:24] <sarnold> so you should be able to get to it at reboot
[20:25] <strk> I just saw the "file manager" (not sure how it's called nowadays) of ubuntu-22.04 giving direct access to both Nextcloud and Google Drive, very nice !
[20:25] <strk> which of the 3 packages above would add to the grub menu ?
[20:26] <Bashing-om> strk: On the legacy bios systems - memtest is available from grub's boot menu - UEFI systems the tool is proprietary and must be obtained as 3rd party.
[20:26] <sarnold> strk: oooh I hadn't realized pcmemtest was packaged yet
[20:26] <sarnold> strk: try that one first :) i'm curious how well it works :)
[20:27] <sarnold> Bashing-om: good news! the upstream memtest86+ now works uefi! bad news :( it isn't packaged yet :( https://www.memtest.org/
[20:27] <Bashing-om> sarnold: :D reading !
[20:28] <strk> thanks everyone, will try on next reboot
[21:29] <gnu_d> Hi, having root fs remounted as ro, due to bad sectors, is there a way to mount tmpfs directory pointing to /home/myuser/.config/ ? So that I can avoid dialog popups during file transfer as backup.
[21:30] <sarnold> gnu_d: try sudo mount -ttmpfs none /home/myuser/.config/  and see if that works
[21:33] <gnu_d> one problem, the directory has to exists, I am trying on a working computer. I will try now to replace the whole .config directory on the target broken computer.
[21:36] <sarnold> ah,I thought it already existed, and was just stuck read-only..
[21:36] <gnu_d> well I will do this:
[21:37] <gnu_d> 1. I will copy the .config files on to the network via 1000 ok clicks. 2. I will mount the .config with 2gb memory tmpfs. 3. I will copy the config back :D.
[21:38] <gnu_d> hopefuly it will workd
[21:39] <sarnold> *clicking*? ew
[21:40] <gnu_d> yea, I am lazy to execute rsync via ssh, so I do a drag and drop in Dolpin from file to fish ssh protocol, cause I am lazy. And I will do the copying .config and back for the adventure :D.
[21:40] <balding_parrot> Hi, If I wanted to do an apt-cache search showing all packages by a certain maintainer but excluding all dbgsym packages. Is there a way of doing that witho
[21:42] <balding_parrot> without needing multiple pipes
[21:42] <balding_parrot> like an exclude perameter
[21:43] <balding_parrot> searched for ages but getting bogged down in apt not working pages
[21:44] <tomreyn> balding_parrot: you could just disable the the dbgsym repo for a minute and run apt update
[21:44] <sarnold> balding_parrot: if all the dbgsym packages are coming via the ddebs repository, you could remove those sources ..
[21:44] <gnu_d> sarnold: another problem I was running watch -d on /etc/mtab and I sow tmpfs entry was appended, propably the mount will fail on the target computer
[21:45] <sarnold> balding_parrot: there's a very handy little tool to make it easy to maintain multiple apt sources/lists on a single system.. I'll eventually remember the name of the thing
[21:45] <tomreyn> "vim"
[21:46] <sarnold> tomreyn: lol :) no it's far handier than that :)
[21:46] <balding_parrot> thanks tomreyn and sarnold I will give that a try, much appreciated
[21:46] <tomreyn> sarnold: emacs?
[21:47] <sarnold> *snort*
[21:47] <tomreyn> that would only work if oyou push the data over a network link
[21:48] <balding_parrot> hoped for a commandline way within apt, but hey, it's free
[21:48] <sarnold> staaaahp
[21:48] <tomreyn> :) sorry
[21:49] <balding_parrot> seems like a useful command option imho though
[21:49] <sarnold> balding_parrot: https://powersj.io/posts/ubuntu-chdist/
[21:50] <tomreyn> balding_parrot: can you provide an example of what you did with apt-cache so far?
[21:51] <balding_parrot> not just for dbgsym but for other things you want to exclude
[21:51] <sarnold> that's harder
[21:51] <sarnold> I don't have a ready tool for that :)
[21:56] <balding_parrot> I have been piping my output to a txt file then manually removing those lines or using grep manipulation. Doing this on another box so don't have a proper example. I only irc on a vm
[21:58] <sarnold> balding_parrot: you can stuff things onto a pastebin site with simple tools, eg uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999   -- that'll give you an url you can paste around
[22:00] <murmel> 21:49 < sarnold> balding_parrot: https://powersj.io/posts/ubuntu-chdist/
[22:00] <murmel> 21:49 < sarnold> balding_parrot: https://powersj.io/posts/ubuntu-chdist/
[22:00] <tomreyn> murmel: copy paste mistake?
[22:01] <murmel> tomreyn: yes, mouse middle click somehow copy pasted and typed enter oO
[22:01] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[22:01] <balding_parrot> sarnold: yeah totally forgot about that before firing up this box. The machine that I wan't this for is at another location and thought that there might be a simple commandline option I was missing that I could just take note of
[22:02] <tomreyn> balding_parrot: i guess my first question is: how do you search for a maintainer at all, since "apt-cache search '<some maintainer>' doesn't seem to do this already?
[22:02] <sarnold> balding_parrot: another option, that's way less fun, is to use the /var/lib/apt/lists/ directly
[22:02] <balding_parrot> thanks though, I WILL read that link
[22:07] <gnu_d> the tmpfs trick works :), I copied the ~/.config backup from network backup and now it thinks everything is fine. All stupid GUI works. Now I can backup with d&d with peace.
[22:07] <sarnold> :D
[22:15] <goddard> is fingerprint readers buggy for everyone else?
[22:15] <goddard> i keep trying and the best i could get was 4 confirms
[22:15] <goddard> it always says it is too short or some other issue
[22:16] <sarnold> my pixel 6 pro's fingerprint reader works okay; when my hands are wet it sometimes takes a few tries, and I think I must not have imaged my enter finger well enough when enrolling..
[22:17] <goddard> sarnold: yeah my s10+ works pretty well, but with web browsers having a fingerprint api linux support seems to be a weak point unless I am doing something wrong
[22:17] <goddard> i have a supported device and updated firmware
[22:17] <goddard> but still something isn't coded quite right i think
[22:19] <goddard> tried in gnome and command line
[22:19] <goddard> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/fprintd/-/issues/137
[22:19] <goddard> if anyone knows an fprintd dev
[22:20] <goddard> im happy to improve the report if anyone wants me to add additional information
[22:21] <sarnold> probably it's worth an ubuntu bug, too; the package may collect more verbose logs as part of filing the bug report
[22:23] <goddard> is it a not secure to move fingerprint reading to userspace and not require sudo?
[22:24] <goddard> ill create a bug on ubuntu's side as well
[22:24] <goddard> seems like claiming the device is so fragile
[22:24] <gnu_d> How about using kdeconnect to unlock your computers via predefined ssdm session unlock commands, and you can use your Android fingerprint to unlock the phone?
[22:25] <goddard> im a web dev and i need a fingerprint reader to test web browser fingerprint apis
[22:25] <gnu_d> you can have kdeconnect on Gnome as well native GTK version.
[22:25] <gnu_d> I see
[23:04] <murmel> when using ubuntu-bug, is there a way to add a comment to the bug? I don't see anything and it already asks me if I want to send the report
[23:07] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: It should open a Firefox window and let you send the report then.
[23:08] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: when I click send? or before that, as firefox didn't open
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (And if it doesn't pop up Firefox, it should give you a link that you plug into firefox to finish the bug report.)
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> I believe it will happen when you click send.
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Pinging.
[23:20] <tomreyn> murmel: maybe you are mixing up ubuntu-bug with whoopsie, which handles application failures and pops up by itself.