[00:28]  * arraybolt3[m] dumps an entire bucket of mandarin oranges on teward's computer
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: OK, good to know. I won't be able to participate in further activities until Sunday night, but I'll be back then.
[00:30] <kc2bez[m]> Take care 
[06:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: oh hey, since that's a standalone Qt file, want to try compiling it against Qt 6? 
[06:12] <tsimonq2> Might have to double check headers and ensure you have the correct packages installed
[15:35] <kc2bez[m]> How do we feel about switching to Falkon as our default browser? I've been on the fence for a while now but I am seeing more activity from them as of late.
 "How do we feel about switching..." <- Advantages - Disadvantages?
[16:42] <kc2bez[m]> Sure. Advantage - it is packaged in the Archive. It is light and fast; fitting with our theme. It uses the Qt toolkit so it should look consistent and utilize similar dependencies that we already have installed.
[16:44] <kc2bez[m]> Disadvantage - While well maintained, it doesn't have the same update cadence that Firefox or Chromium would have. It doesn't have the DRM stuff for some video playback. Extensions are minimal.
[16:47] <LeoK[m]> Of course those looking for more security etc can always use a browser of choice. 
[16:47] <kc2bez[m]> Forgot one. Advantage - Ad blocking is built in.
[16:47] <LeoK[m]> Like the bit about fitting with our theme
[17:01]  * tsimonq2 has always wished we had a Calamares module to just ask the user these questions beforehand rather than having to fight over defaults
[17:02] <kc2bez[m]> > * <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> has always wished we had a Calamares module to just ask the user these questions beforehand rather than having to fight over defaults
[17:02] <kc2bez[m]> It is a possibility. I still think we need something for the live session users though.
[17:02] <LeoK[m]> What about a welcome screen where the user makes his choice after install..some of the flavours use similiar
[17:03] <kc2bez[m]> LeoK[m]: Yeah, i sort of left that project in a fallow state too.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> Eventually we'll nail something down. First I think we need to get our regular ducks in a row before we take on something like that 
[17:04] <kc2bez[m]> I agree, I like a roadmap though
[17:05] <tsimonq2> As of a year or so ago we legit had a full Jenkins setup with a complete Britney2 clone and PPA builds on all virtual arches. Would warn on any Lintian errors. Was nice 
[17:06] <tsimonq2> stable and unstable branches 
[17:06] <kc2bez[m]> I know, the pandemic has been evil
[17:06] <tsimonq2> And we were close to backports too
[17:08] <tsimonq2> I personally really think we should just duplicate that setup BEFORE we switch infrastructure completely, get backports and ISOs going, then begin to offload that to something that isn't Java Monolith Jenkins
[17:08] <tsimonq2> I'm also willing to consider what's best for the project and not just my own personal opinion :]
[17:09] <tsimonq2> s/]/)/
[17:09] <LeoK[m]> Of course what is best the project is the main aim..
[17:10] <LeoK[m]> ^for the
[17:10] <kc2bez[m]> I agree with that, we need to keep things sustainable. 
[17:11] <LeoK[m]> Another build failure on kinetic today
[17:11] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, i am not too surprised. We are still waiting for some packages to migrate I think.
[17:12] <LeoK[m]> Well ..3 day weekend here
[17:12] <kc2bez[m]> !info libfm-qt
[17:12] <kc2bez[m]> erm
[17:13] <kc2bez[m]> anyway, fairly sure that is what we are waiting on.
[17:15] <kc2bez[m]> Oh, nice it looks like it migrated. probably not in time for the iso build though.
[17:22] <kc2bez[m]> It looks like it was still trying the old packages. `The following packages have unmet dependencies:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/80cab9fe6c8aadac45732fb5dfdb6ca9395467b7)
[17:25]  * kc2bez[m] pushed the rebuild button.
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]> still ```The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>  libfm-qt11 : Conflicts: libfm-qt
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>               Breaks: libfm-qt9 but 0.17.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]>  libfm-qt9 : Conflicts: libfm-qt```
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]> why?
 https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/amd64/libs/libfm-qt9
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm-qt
 Is libfm-qt11 the dependency?
[18:06] <kc2bez[m]> I think we need to wait for another britney run, there are still some things in proposed preventing lxqt-metapackages to be installed
 i will make an fyi i am still working on setting up Drone which is like jenkins but you configure tests/runs via a file in the repo and a hook in git
 simon: ^
 IS is slow though dealing with the evil of WP breaches right now
 so that obviously takes priority over the dns i need :P
[18:10] <kc2bez[m]> related what do we need to do to update our WP site?
 nothing.  it already is uptodate and hardened.
 and not run by Canonical IS lol
[18:13] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks for keeping an eye on it.
 yep
[19:57] <tsimonq2> https://debugpointnews.com/ubuntu-22-10-iwd/?amp=1 
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Do any Lubuntu-specific tools depend on wpa-supplicant?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Also, will anyone else be going to SELF coming up next week?
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I don't think so unless nm-tray does. 
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Sadly not this year. 
 nm-tray depends on Networkmanager and 3 other packages... but not wpa... (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I don't think so unless nm-tray does.)
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Can anyone try to interpret what this change means for us?
[22:08] <kc2bez[m]> I can dive into it in a bit.
 "Can anyone try to interpret what..." <- Neal sums it up nicely here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iwd/+bug/1971739/comments/4
[23:14] <kc2bez[m]> The bug is marked incomplete as you see.
[23:16] <kc2bez[m]> TL;DR you need wpa_supplicant to do stuff like VPNs and 802.1X
 I like the idea of falkon... It's light, and the non-use of snapped firefox I suspect many bloggers would write positively about & may see that as an advantage...  we can stress firefox is available for those that need it.  It fits our 'light' aim I believe well. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> How do we feel about switching to Falkon as our default browser? I've been on the fence for a while now but I am seeing more activity from