[00:28] <john> does the unity DE support hidpi
[02:43] <murmel> tomreyn: I was trying to file a bug for systemd-container, as there is a bug in 249. so pretty sure it's ubuntu-bug (as I called in the cli) will try to send and see if it opens firefox
[04:42] <transhumanist> https://bpa.st/4N5A   << how do I find out whats mounted in the path that is holding things up?
[04:44] <wez> heh
[05:03] <Bashing-om> transhumanist: What shows ' findmnt ' ?
[05:04] <transhumanist> uml-83452302346243545/root_fs   /dev/loop0  ext2    rw,relatime
[05:04] <transhumanist> I just dont know how  to kill it
[05:04] <transhumanist> I would like to stop it gracefully if possible
[05:05] <transhumanist> sudo  umount /dev/loop0 did the trick thanks
[05:08] <transhumanist> I am puzzled though why I cant kill the loop device by umounting what was mounted with mount -o loop ?
[05:08] <transhumanist> loops are treated differently?
[05:31] <trafficjam> ffs how do I fix the "Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock. It is held by process <PID>" error?
[05:34] <Bashing-om> transhumanist: ' fuser ' is the tool - see http://mirkolofio.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/unlock-varlibdpkglock-when-youre-locked-out/ for the details :D
[05:34] <transhumanist> thanks
[05:35] <trafficjam> thanks Bashing-om
[05:36] <Bashing-om> trafficjam: ^^ sorry transhumanist for the bad hoghlight - not paying close enough attention to my tab complete :*
[05:43] <Mike_> Could anyone tell me why my fan behaves normal with every distro except LM. I have tried to resolve this in the Mint forum. But help is limited.
[07:28] <come> j
[09:36] <newb134> Hi, what is the best way to create a bootable windows usb in ubuntu? i have the windows iso
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> newb134: woeusb or ventoy might serve you well
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> newb134: for woeusb, there is a snap, ventoy is not officialy supported, visit their website at your own risk
[09:39] <newb134> ok thanks
[09:40] <tomreyn> the woe-usb snap is very outdated, i would not expect it to work well.
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah the git seems to have a much higher version indeed tomreyn
[10:12] <x__> hi!
[10:13] <wez> .o/
[10:15] <x__> how u boys doing?
[10:17] <tomreyn> x__: hello, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[10:17] <x__> u know who we are?
[10:18] <tomreyn> no. but please note this channel is for ubuntu support only. there are other ubuntu channels, use !alis
[10:21] <x__> we associatives of your bussiness parner...
[10:24] <x__> u do remember your bussiness parnner  dont u?
[10:25] <tomreyn> !ot | x__: last warning
[10:28] <x__> warning?
[10:43] <respawn> if you dont need help with ubuntu issue go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:01] <haruki0> q
[11:05] <trafficjam> how do i install python3.8 on my machine?
[11:07] <ThinkT510> which ubuntu release are you on?
[11:09] <trafficjam> impish
[11:11] <ThinkT510> impish uses 3.9. any particular reason you need 3.8?
[11:15] <ThinkT510> python3 is a main component. replacing the system python will almost certainly break something. having multiple python installs is possible but can cause conflicts if not managed carefully
[11:18] <oerheks> ThinkT510, +1
[12:42] <zteam> Hello folks, quick question before upgrading to Ubuntu 22.04 I was able to right click on a program shortcut on my desktop and select "allow launching this program" (or something similair, I don't know the exact phrase), after upgrading ubuntu this option appears to be gone?
[12:53] <Guest41> hello \o/
[12:54] <luna> hi
[12:54] <sword_smith> Damn. My machine is pretty much useless after doing a clean reinstall to 22.04. I first did a dist upgrade and experienced that it got slow and that did a complete format/reinstall. But it's still basically unusable. Example: Opening the file overview side panel in VS Code takes half a second for it to load. My machine is a powerful Lenovo P1 with Xeon processor and 32GB RAM. Should I
[12:54] <sword_smith> downgrade/reinstall 21.10/20.04, or can I do something else to fix this?
[12:54] <sword_smith> s/and that/and then/
[12:55] <Guest41> I installed 22.04, in the previews there was as weather forecast shown when you click on the date/time in the middle of the up pannel, but all I can see is the notification/calenda
[12:55] <oerheks> .. half a second,, oh you have serious issues
[12:55] <Guest41> do you know what app will show the weather forecast ?
[12:55] <sword_smith> oerheks: I do :/
[12:56] <zteam> sword_smith, check that it's using the right drivers, also there is a new performance settings in the up-right corner next to the volume control check that too :-)
[12:56] <sword_smith> zteam: It's set to "Performance". Drivers: How do I check that?
[12:57] <Guest41> sword_smith do you have Intel Iris Xe Graphic card?
[12:58] <zteam> sword_smith, search for drivers in gnome-shell (the menu from where you start your applicationsI)
[13:00] <sword_smith> I have a NVidia Quadro P2000 Mobile. "Software & Updates" says I'm using the recommended driver for it.
[13:00] <tomreyn> sword_smith: maybe there's another issue, you can share your kernel log using:  journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:01] <zteam> sword_smith, try to search for for available updates any apply any you can find :-)
[13:03] <sword_smith> thanks ... downloading 640MB updates ...
[13:03] <tomreyn> zteam: about the 'missing option' for 'allow to launch this program', this will be the executable permissions flag.
[13:03] <tomreyn> which may be abbreviated as "x"
[13:03] <zteam> tomreyn, thanks but that flag is checked, and all those files are owned by me
[13:04] <tomreyn> which file system is it, how is it mounted?
[13:04] <tomreyn> what happens when you try to execute it?
[13:05] <sword_smith> Have to restart. BRB.
[13:07] <sword_smith> Back
[13:07] <tomreyn> zteam: so in the context menu, when you select "properties", and click on the "permissions" tab, this is ticked? "Execute: [ ] Allow executing file as program" https://i.imgur.com/aasPoDa.png
[13:07] <sword_smith> Let's see... It still seems slow.
[13:10] <zteam> tomreyn, they, are mounted on different volumes, nothing happens if I try to start these with the shortcuts, but starting the apps directly works good
[13:11] <sword_smith> I seem to have two graphics cars: NVidia `product: GP107GLM [Quadro P2000 Mobile]` (physical id 0) and Intel `description: VGA compatible controller` (physical id 2)
[13:12] <zteam> tomreyn, yep that box is ticked, however looking more closely, it says the security context is unknown, can't see to anything wrong with the permsssions with ls -la though :D
[13:14] <zteam> tomreyn, checking your screenshot that unknown context looks normal actually, can you check if you can allow shortcuts to run, by right-clicking them?
[13:15] <tomreyn> zteam: "unknown" security context is normal, yes. i'm not sure what oyu mean by shortcuts. symbolic links?
[13:15] <sword_smith> I guess it's safe to share the output from my `journalctl -k`?
[13:15] <tomreyn> zteam: or desktop files?
[13:16] <zteam> tomreyn, desktop-files yes (in Windows and Android they call these shortcuts)
[13:16] <tomreyn> sword_smith: there *can* be unique identifiers in there, such as MAC addresses or hardware device serial numbers. it's not that anyone can directly attack you just because those are known those, though.
[13:18] <zteam> sword_smith, have you tried just booting different kernels, this might be easier, than to check info from the kernel first :-)
[13:19] <sword_smith> zteam: I have not.
[13:20] <sword_smith> Could snap have anything to do with it?
[13:20] <tomreyn> zteam: i think the more useful place you want .desktop files to be stored is ~/.local/share/applications/ and /usr/share/applications/ - and i don't think they need to be executable
[13:21] <zteam> sword_smith, also, if you have more than one graphics card installed you can try to disable your built-in one througt BIOS / UEFI usually
[13:23] <sword_smith> Not sure if I should maybe try downgrading the nvidia driver to 390. Currently I'm on 510.
[13:23] <zteam> sword_smith, I think launching a snap app is a little bit slower yes, but I'm not sure, are you having this issue only with snap apps or only with snap apps?
[13:24] <zteam> sword_smith, hmm... this got me thinking.... are you logged in to wayland or X11 currently ?
[13:25] <zteam> tomreyn, well, they have been on the same place earlier and it worked :-)
[13:26] <sword_smith> zteam: loginctl show-session returns: `Type=x11`
[13:27] <tomreyn> zteam: "earlier" was on an older ubuntu release?
[13:28] <sword_smith> I used to be on 21.10. Worked fine.
[13:28] <sword_smith> I'll try to disable an Intel GPU in BIOS, BRB :)
[13:30] <tomreyn> zteam: is "the same place" the Desktop, i.e. ~/Desktop/ ?
[13:32] <zteam> tomreyn, yes, it is, it was working fine, before I upgraded Ubuntu, but I believe my icons started to be greyed out recently
[13:32] <tomreyn> if those .desktop files have Type=Link in them, then this may apply: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/448
[13:33] <tomreyn> also try moving these files to a different directory you can access with the graphical file browser and see whether they work then.
[13:34] <zteam> tomreyn, in 22.04 there was an option that let you right click those desktop files, and mark them as trusted, I can't see this  option in 22.04, but I don't know whetever this a config error on my end or if that menu was removed?
[13:35] <sword_smith> tomreyn, zteam: PM. Might be something useful. Also: Thanks for your help :)
[13:36] <sword_smith> Couldn't find anything about GPUs in bios.
[13:37] <sword_smith> VS Code is still for certain operations, but machine does seem a bit better after running `sudo apt upgrade`.
[13:37] <oerheks> chmod a+x myapp.desktop     -  and mark it as trusted with;  gio set myapp.desktop metadata::trusted true
[13:38] <tomreyn> zteam: you are comparing 22.04 to 22.04 there, you probably meant to compare 21.10 to 22.04 or something rather
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:39] <tomreyn> zteam: i am not familiar witht his option to trust files, but what you're saying sounds like this feature was removed, yes.
[13:39] <tomreyn> i really don't know, though, sorry.
[13:41] <zteam> tomreyn, You aren't using Ubuntu 22,04 yourself, *doh, yes that was obiosly a typo :P
[13:41] <zteam> ?
[13:41] <oerheks> there is no such entrance anymore, indeed:  chmod a+x myapp.desktop     -  and mark it as trusted with;  gio set myapp.desktop metadata::trusted true
[13:43] <zteam> sword_smith, so the performance is still the same, also you should problably post these kernel log in channel instead, so everyone can help reviewing it :-)
[13:44] <zteam> oerheks, well, that's what I suspected... isn't this a pretty big regression in terms of user-friendlyness ? :-O
[13:45] <oerheks> one only needs it when creating own .desktop files
[13:46] <zteam> oerheks, such as then adding shortcut for your games from Steam or Lutris, or any other application you run from Wine or something
[13:47] <tomreyn> zteam: i have ubuntu 22.04 running in a VM.
[13:48] <tomreyn> sword_smith: i don't see anything obviously wrong in the kernel log. there is this message by the nvidia graphics driver, but i'm not sure whether this means it won't work properly: [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
[13:49] <oerheks> oh, it is simple now; 22.04 gives ' allow launching'  in the right-click-on-icon
[13:49] <tomreyn> sword_smith: i think what you reported is that vscode is slower to start than it used to be. are you comparing a version installed as a debian package by one installed as a snap?
[13:49] <oerheks> then it switches to ' don' t allow launching'
[13:50] <zteam> tomreyn, this line caught my mind too, the question is if vscode is his only problem or not :-)
[13:50] <oerheks> just a different naming now
[13:51] <zteam> oerheks, :-O I wonder why that option is hiding for me then :-/
[13:52] <zteam> tomreyn, just out of curiosity, what main os do you use? :-)
[13:53] <tomreyn> zteam: i don't think that's relevant to this issue.
[13:54] <MorpheusXNL> goodafternoon all, what is in your opinion the best mail client for ubuntu ?
[13:54] <leftyfb> MorpheusXNL: try #ubuntu-offtopic for software opinions
[13:55] <zteam> MorpheusXNL, Thunderbird is pretty nice, if you ask me
[13:55] <leftyfb> MorpheusXNL: you can search the ubuntu software store and try out different clients and see which one you like best
[13:55] <Bochi_> maybe better #ubuntu-flamewar ... mail client discussion may become wild
[13:56] <MorpheusXNL> thanks, all will check it out
[13:56] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/search?q=mail  lots of mail clients, check those with green label
[14:16] <tomreyn> sword_smith: so is vscode the only application which starts slowly now? if so, is it a .deb or a snap?
[14:16] <wez> 64
[14:17] <tomreyn> wez: ?
[14:17] <octav1a> h
[14:17] <wez> tomreyn: I missed the /
[14:18] <wez> octav1a: no h
[14:18] <octav1a> :3
[14:18] <tomreyn> octav1a: what do you mean by 'h'?
[14:18] <wez> tomreyn: ##h
[14:19] <tomreyn> i see
[14:26] <sword_smith> tomreyn: `snap list` does not show VS Code, no.
[14:26] <sword_smith> (to my surprise)
[14:27] <sword_smith> `type code` returns `code is /usr/bin/code`; `type firefox` returns `firefox is /snap/bin/firefox`
[14:38] <tomreyn> sword_smith: are other applications also slower than expected to start up?
[14:39] <tomreyn> sword_smith: the snaps are called 'code' and code-insiders' btw.
[15:08] <sword_smith> tomreyn: Opening a new tab in Firefox takes maybe 0.2 seconds on the machine that I installed 22.04 on, and it's instantaneous on my slower Dell XPS 16GB machine with 21.10.
[15:15] <tomreyn> sword_smith: i don't think i can help there. or need to.
[15:16] <sword_smith> Both machines run the snap Firefox
[15:17] <oerheks> really, you notice a difference of 0.2 sec?
[15:25] <zteam> So I was playing around with the gio open command trying to open my desktop files it saying that it can't find the files it points to, opening the games directly works perfectly, any ideas?
[15:26] <oerheks> depends where the .desktop file is stored, for /home/  you would need to logout/login again?
[15:27] <zteam> oerheks, I even tried rebooting thew whole machine still no dice
[15:37] <zteam> trying to launch the those desktop files, giving me this error, but it doesn't make sense, since launching all those apps directly works pefectly
[15:37] <zteam> https://pastebin.com/aaMgR46G
[15:42] <jhutchins> sword_smith: Sounds like it's pre-loaded, maybe a daemon process.
[15:43] <jhutchins> zteam: Are you using relative or complete paths?
[15:48] <zteam> jhutchins, well, neither, these files basically looks like this https://pastebin.com/MPwCrgyB
[15:55] <zteam> nevermind... apparently you are supposed to use gio launch not gio opwn then it opens it up perfectly from the terminal
[16:02] <zteam> jhutchins, oerheks I found the solution finally,apparently, if your Desktop folder is writeable by others, Gnome refuses to launch any files from there web-pages and documents still worked, I wish I had checked the system log earlier :D
[16:08] <oerheks> zteam, oh good spot
[16:09] <oerheks> your home folder is indeed no longer world readable.
[16:09] <oerheks> as of 21.04 IIRC
[16:20] <zteam> oerheks, no you got me wrong... it wasn't that the permssions was to restrictive, it was that I had made it to permissive (I made it deliberatly writeable by everyone, sometime ago due to lazynes, apparently if you do so, gnome refuses to launch  these desktop-files. since it considers it a security risk
[16:20] <zteam> :-)
[17:12] <root> <<< a stupid guy
[17:12] <Guest2181> ok now i'am not a root iam a guest
[17:12] <Guest2181> =(
[17:13] <daedalus> hello frens, is KDE Plasma and Flat remix the same thing ? Noob here, sorry
[17:15] <Maik> daedalus: doesn't sound like a Ubuntu support question so it's probably best to ask at #kde
[17:20] <oerheks> flat remix seems to be artwork? https://store.kde.org/c/1310094
[17:26] <matsaman> daedalus: plasma is a desktop environment, what used to be called 'KDE', basically, until they wanted to use 'KDE' to be an umbrella for all their software & projects
[17:26] <matsaman> flat remix is whatever it is
[17:36] <zteam> anybody knows a good gnome-shell addon for displaying lyrics for Gnome 42  ?
[17:37] <matsaman> that's a pretty specific ask, so I can only imagine that if a thing exists it'd be already listed in extensions.gnome.org
[17:37] <matsaman> otherwise it would be not gnome-shell specific
[17:38] <jhutchins> zteam: Lyrics from what source?
[17:38] <matsaman> which... should be fine
[17:41] <daedalus> hey guys, sorry about the channel confusion, I am new here
[17:41] <oerheks> zteam, for local stored lyrics https://github.com/tuberry/desktop-lyric
[17:41] <oerheks> zteam or via conky rc  https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1115315/
[17:41] <daedalus> so I just installed KDE using sudo apt install kde-desktop and after signing out, I could choose between Plasma and Flat Remix and Ubuntu for the session manager
[17:46] <murmel> daedalus: the short search-fu I used, it seems to be that flat remix is a theme for kde plasma
[17:46] <oerheks> deadalnix, i thought it is kubuntu-desktop
[17:46] <oerheks> !info kubuntu-desktop
[17:47] <murmel> oerheks: it is
[17:51] <daedalus> murmel: why would a theme be listed separately in window manager options ?
[17:52] <murmel> daedalus: maybe it was a mistake while packaging
[17:52] <murmel> or it needs something special to work
[17:54] <daedalus> hmm that makes sense
[17:54] <daedalus> thanks mate
[18:03] <goddard> if you use LUKs on a server how do you make sure it still works after an unexpected restart?
[18:11] <murmel> goddard there are "addons" for initramfs to open a ssh server
[18:25] <nshire> does wayland use sddm?
[18:26] <nshire> I was messing around with desktop environments and want my default 22.04 lts back
[18:26] <murmel> nshire: the other way around, does sddm support wayland? yes but since it got merged there was never a release
[18:27] <nshire> should I do gdm3 then
[18:27] <nshire> ?
[18:27] <murmel> if you really want to use wayland gdm is the only option basically
[18:28] <nshire> wayland was running pretty well on my system so yeah
[18:29] <nshire> seems like I got everything back to normal other than my splash screen after boot, for some reason it's still showing the MATE logo after uninstalling that
[18:30] <murmel> splsh screen during boot?
[18:30] <nshire> I suppose during
[18:30] <nshire> immediately before login
[18:31] <nshire> also grub had a light grey background which was new/odd
[18:32] <nshire> okay yeah shutting down and starting up still shows the mate logo
[18:32] <nshire> maybe if I just rerun the config for the gnome desktop it'll get fixed?
[18:33] <murmel> nshire: it should be easily fixable by installing the theme, but not 100% sure if it would set it then also
[18:34] <goddard> murmel: you talking about dropbear?
[18:34] <murmel> goddard: for example
[18:34] <goddard> murmel: cool thanks
[18:35] <murmel> this way you can even type in the password for luks
[18:35] <murmel> goddard: beware that you still have to set it up
[18:35] <goddard> murmel: yep
[18:38] <nshire> do snaps not show up under `app list --installed`?
[18:38] <nshire> I clearly have chromium installed but it's not showing when I run `app list --installed | grep chromium`
[18:39] <murmel> nshire: it's a different package manager called snap, so snap list
[18:39] <nshire> ah right snaps are their own thing
[18:47] <zteam> oerheks, thanks for your suggestion, I found this too, will try out later https://github.com/bhrigu123/Instant-Lyrics :)
[18:49] <khw> i have a new Win 11 box.  I'm trying to dual boot with Ubuntu 22.04.  The problem (so far) is rufus.  The drop-down SELECT doesn't bring up a dialog to select a file from.
[18:51] <murmel> khw: and why would you ask that in an ubuntu channel? and not ##windows?
[18:52] <murmel> khw: btw make sure you use dd mode, otherwise the usb stick may not work
[18:53] <khw> cause I was looking at a ubuntu supplied page about doing this process and it presented this channel as an option
[18:53] <oerheks> !usb
[18:54] <oerheks> rufus is on the 1st place, .. but there is choice
[18:54] <murmel> khw: that was definitely not an official guide, which gives you balena etcher as the program to use
[18:55] <khw> It was https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#9-installation-complete
[18:55] <murmel> oh wow, interesting
[18:57] <oerheks> where did you store the iso? so you do not see this menu? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#4-select-the-ubuntu-iso-file
[18:57] <khw> I do not see that menu
[18:58] <oerheks> must be a win11 thingy then..
[18:58] <oerheks> file a bugreport ?
[18:58] <oerheks> not to us ;-)
[19:00] <khw> balena etcher is 42% done.  Thanks for your advice
[20:15] <goddard> when a program gives you a thread options how do you determine how many you should use?
[20:18] <MorpheusXNL> goddard: depends on the process and if that process is able to handle multiple threads i presume
[20:18] <goddard> yeah but how can i figure out the value based on my cpu threads?
[20:19] <tomreyn> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[20:19] <tomreyn> is probabl the maximum you want
[20:19] <tomreyn> you may want less than that, depending on how much you want to load the cpu
[20:19] <goddard> tomreyn: gotcha thanks
[20:36] <jhutchins> goddard: I would guess you're setting up a torrent?
[20:38] <xrandr> Hi. I just installed Ubuntu 22.04. It wrote to the UEFI bios i have.  My video isn't working right.  I've only got one monitor working, and it's stuck at 1024x768. How can I get ti to use an nvidia driver?
[20:40] <ravage> xrandr, open additional drivers from the application menu and see if it offers the nvidia driver
[20:42] <xrandr> thank you
[20:42] <xrandr> about to restart to test
[20:47] <xrandr> That worked ravage, thank you
[20:47] <ravage> great :)
[20:53] <xrandr> I gotta say, running Ubuntu on a SSD is sooo much faster than a HDD
[20:54] <xrandr> Unfortunately, during install, it wiped out my opencore uefi bootloader :(
[20:55] <Jeremy31> xrandr: There is an option to install Ubuntu without bootloader, it might be a option only available using terminal
[20:56] <xrandr> I am not sure if Opencore would have seen it
[20:56] <xrandr> either way, it's already done
[20:57] <xrandr> It's fine. It was a great experiment to get OS X running as a hackintosh, but it had its issues.
[20:59] <cbreak> xrandr: works fine for me
[20:59] <cbreak> (but I don't think ubuntu should wipe out other bootloaders. Usually it doesn't for me)
[21:00] <Jeremy31> Might be able to check in terminal>  efibootmgr
[21:00] <xrandr> Maybe it didn't... maybe i can still get into the mac. But I'll check that out later
[21:00] <xrandr> I gots other stuffs to do lol
[21:01] <cbreak> xrandr: check the contents of /boot/efi
[21:01] <cbreak> the bootloaders should all be there, including opencore
[21:02] <cbreak> even if ubuntu nuked its entry in the firmware
[21:02] <cbreak> (I'd recommend using refind anyway)
[21:02] <jhutchins> Jeremy31: Most linux installers will replace the MBR bootloader, typically the NT4/Windows bootloader.  Grub will handle the low-level boot, then pass off to the menu, which can pass off to the later stage of the Windows boot process.
[21:02] <cbreak> (in addition to some efi bootloader)
[21:02] <xrandr> cbreak, yeah it's there. Just dunno how to access it
[21:03] <cbreak> jhutchins: don't think the MBR matters, or even still exists properly on efi-only systems
[21:04] <cbreak> xrandr: refind might automatically detect it. Or you can manually add it to your boot options via efibootmgr
[21:04] <cbreak> it might even still be in there (you can check with efibootmgr -v)
[21:04] <jhutchins> cbreak: The concept would be consistent though, replace the Windows bootloader with Grub, let grub hand off to the OS.
[21:05] <cbreak> for that, you'd keep the windows bootloader
[21:05] <cbreak> and just chainboot to it from where ever
[21:05] <cbreak> it's not like you can only have one bootloader installed
[21:06] <xrandr> cbreak, what is refind?
[21:06] <jhutchins> cbreak: Chain booting is different from what the typical grub/lilo installation does.
[21:06] <cbreak> a boot chooser
[21:07] <cbreak> it can start efi binaries / bootmanagers
[21:07] <jhutchins> cbreak: With chainloading, you can have the Windows bootloader hand off to linux init.
[21:07] <cbreak> it gives a nicer menu than your efi firmware, and auto-discovers lots of other bootloaders
[21:07] <jhutchins> Not relevant, back to you.
[21:07] <cbreak> for example it detects grub, directly bootable linux kernels, zfsbootmenu, opencore, the windows boot loader, ...
[21:08] <jhutchins> refit is typically used to dual-boot OSX with Linux.
[21:09] <xrandr> cbreak, ok, i nstalled refind. So when i boot next, it should hopefully show up and i can boot into OS X
[21:09] <jhutchins> There should be a decent guide for dual-booting OSX by now ...
[21:09] <cbreak> I use it to on my hackintosh for dual booting between macos and other stuff, on my pure linux system to boot to zbm. Because it's more convenient than updating efi entries all the time
[21:09] <xrandr> I'll try it next time i need to reboo
[21:10] <cbreak> xrandr: I'm not sure if you have to manually add it to your uefi entry first. There's refind-install / refind-mkdefault
[21:11] <cbreak> I recently switched away my linux booting from grub
[21:11] <cbreak> it was kind of clunky
[21:13] <cbreak> but somehow, apt doesn't want to let me remove grub
[21:16] <Jeremy31> grub is usually easiest as some other methods require some kernel files to be in the EFI system partition
[21:16] <cbreak> Jeremy31: it's the easiest due to tooling
[21:17] <cbreak> but it's super annoying for booting from zfs, because it needs a separate boot pool due to grub's lacking zfs support
[21:17] <Jeremy31> I did systemd boot for a while
[21:17] <cbreak> I switched to zfsbootmenu
[21:34] <xrandr> cbreak, i installed it from the ppa/apt. It asked if I wanted to install it and i said yes.  Is there more I have to do?
[21:35] <xrandr> i just did the refind-mkdefault. It said it was already the first entry
[21:36] <xrandr> I am going to try and reboot. Cross your fingers lol
[21:38] <xrandr> cbreak, it worked. It showed the OS X one and the linux entry.  Thank you!
[21:38] <cbreak> I don't think you need a ppa, it should be in normal apt
[21:58] <jhutchins> ,v refind
[21:58] <jhutchins> Grr.
[21:58] <xrandr> ok. I  have an older linux install that's part of a LVM group. It says it's missing a PV, but the physical disk is there.  How can I access it?
[22:02] <xrandr> brb
[22:04] <xrandr> ok, back.  Needed a dark mode lol
[22:04] <xrandr> i found an article to possibly access my old lv group
[22:05] <xrandr> brb
[22:06] <xrandr> oops lol
[22:26] <xrandr> if I add a 1.0 HDD to LVM that already has a 1.0TB SSD, will it slow down my machine?
[22:27] <InPhase> Of course.
[22:28] <murmel> xrandr: wait, depends on how you use the hdd
[22:28] <InPhase> You're better off just mounting that in a subdirectory and using it for things okay with slow storage.
[22:29] <xrandr> i made it part of the current lv/vg
[22:29] <xrandr> so it expanded th size of /
[22:29] <InPhase> You can do this, but it's probably very wasteful of those SSD benefits.
[22:30] <murmel> xrandr: so you basically made a raid0, hopefully you have a good backup strat
[22:30] <xrandr> ok, then i am going to remove it from the pv/lv/vg
[22:30] <xrandr> so that it just has the SSD as /
[22:30] <xrandr> the whole point of installing ubuntu on the SSD was for speed
[22:31] <murmel> xrandr: makes sense. a lot of people put the hdd for /home
[22:34] <xrandr> murmel, but will doing that slow the bootup and speed of the system?
[22:37] <oerheks> some microsecond.. would you notice
[22:37] <oerheks> ?
[22:38] <xrandr> nah
[22:38] <xrandr> i am going to reboot and see how bad it is in the current configuraion
[22:38] <xrandr> configuration*
[22:38] <xrandr> since this is a mostly virgin system, reinstalling won't be the worst thing that's happened to me lol
[22:39] <murmel> xrandr: I mean your login will be a bit slower, but as most files on /home (for login) are rather small you shouldn't really notice it
[22:39] <xrandr> murmel, nah, i mean with the SSD and the HDD in the same vg/lv group of /
[22:39] <xrandr> brb
[22:40] <oerheks> xrandr, some data to watch https://opensource.com/article/20/9/systemd-startup-configuration
[22:40] <oerheks> systemd-analyze plot > something.svg
[22:43] <xrandr> ok, so no noticeable change
[22:44] <xrandr> I guess it will use the SSD first then use the HDD. I think I am going to reinstall anyway. Just to be safe. I think it's the better idea. Then I can use the HDD for /home
[22:45] <xrandr> but, later lol
[23:01] <EmeraldSkyman> Hi
[23:01] <EmeraldSkyman> Hi, I'm using Lubuntu 22.04, and I'm trying to run RuneLite, an RuneScape 2007 Java client. I've installed Java OpenJDK and allowed the RuneLite.AppImage to "Run as Executable" but even after all that, the client/game never opens. Fixes?
[23:10] <EmeraldSkyman> hello
[23:10] <tomreyn> EmeraldSkyman: your best bet is to turn to the developers for support, since an AppImage can basically contain anything, and it's not too likley you'll meet someone here who knows how to run this specific one. Their README lists an IRC channel and Discord server where you could find help. Note that there is also a snap.
[23:11] <EmeraldSkyman> snap for runelite or snap for openjdk?
[23:11] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/install/runelite/ubuntu
[23:11] <EmeraldSkyman> ty
[23:11] <tomreyn> openjdk is best installed via apt
[23:12] <EmeraldSkyman> IDK which version I need
[23:12] <EmeraldSkyman> IT WORKS!
[23:12] <EmeraldSkyman> Thanks for the SNAP link, just hope this isnt backdoored!
[23:13] <tomreyn> could not tell
[23:14] <ogra> even if it was, the snap environment will protect you for the most part
[23:16] <EmeraldSkyman> nice
[23:17] <xrandr> well, that didn't work well
[23:17] <xrandr> The installer wouldn't re-format the SSD
[23:20] <jhutchins> xrandr: You're essentially telling us "didn't work".
[23:20] <tomreyn> xrandr: in case you're looking for assistence with an ubuntu related issue, please make sure to provide some details, and to describe what you did, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead.
[23:22] <goddard> if i wanna save 2 different ssh connections to the same host is that possible with the .ssh/config file?
[23:22] <goddard> other than just uncommenting
[23:22] <jhutchins> goddard: What's different about them?
[23:22] <goddard> port user
[23:23] <jhutchins> So give them two different names.
[23:23] <xrandr> I ran the ubuntu installer, selected Use Entrire Disk, selected the new SSD (which i already installed ubuntu on, but wanted to reinstall on), and clicked Install.  The installer just hangs there and does nothing
[23:23] <goddard> ok i guess ill have to learn more about that hten
[23:23] <jhutchins> xrandr: How long did it hang? How big is the disk?
[23:24] <xrandr> Disk is 1TB, hung for like 5ish minutes
[23:24] <xrandr> first time install it went pretty quick
[23:24] <jhutchins> xrandr: Any indication of activity?
[23:24] <xrandr> didn't look like it
[23:25] <xrandr> i am going to try to use the "Try Ubuntu", then use the disk tool to erase the drive. Then run the installer again and see if that works.
[23:26] <xrandr> I'm no even sure if i have to reinstall. I mean, the sysem is still booting up fast as it is booting from the SSD. I just have LVM using a SSD and HDD for /
[23:26] <jhutchins> Reinstalling is pretty much the only repair tool there is - for Windows.
[23:28] <goddard> jhutchins: thanks that is really cool didn't even know you could do that
[23:39] <xrandr> i just found out i can use the live media to remove the HDD from the lvm group