[00:37] <weeshat67> hell
[00:37] <weeshat67> anyone hells bandage by server listsw?
[00:38] <weeshat67> or anything to say? script for irssi
[00:38] <leftyfb> weeshat67: this is an ubuntu support channel
[00:38] <weeshat67> trying my best spot here
[00:38] <leftyfb> weeshat67: try #libera
[00:38] <weeshat67> thanks
[00:38] <weeshat67> presciate someone to talk to anyway :)  even though
[00:38] <weeshat67> i never talk to anyone
[00:40] <weeshat67> hi hi anyone
[00:40] <weeshat67> anyone using mic programs to chat? head about mass joining skype
[00:40] <weeshat67> i think it will never loose itsefls
[00:40] <weeshat67> jsut time
[00:40] <weeshat67> but thats awesome
[00:40] <weeshat67> skydiving chatpanel
[00:41] <kostkon> a bot? good grief. bye
[00:49] <bray90820> So I am having an issue I have a CMI8738 PCI swound card that I am trying to use with 22.04 but the PC reboots after like a minute ot two of being on
[00:49] <bray90820> Doesn't happen on windows
[01:12] <chancez> I'm having some trouble net booting ubuntu 22.04 on a dell poweredge, it's not getting an IP via DHCP on the primary interface. I see it is basically just getting an DHCP offer for the IDRAC interface, but not the primary interface, and then it tries to download the ISO and fails. it doesn't fail to PXE boot with 20.04. if I run `dhclient eno1` in
[01:12] <chancez> the initramfs shell it gets an interface and can reach the internet. how can I configure it to use a specific interface to DHCP with, and not use any other interfaces? I tried configuring via setting `ip` in `cmdline`, but it doesn't seem to support the same options as dracut, so im not sure what's reading the cmdline params for configuring
[01:12] <chancez> networking, and I can't find any docs on what to do here.
[01:14] <ItzSwirlz> I'm in the ubuntu-wiki-editors team but can't seem to find the button to edit my page. When I force the url to ?action=edit it says I have no perms
[01:15] <leftyfb> ItzSwirlz: you need to login
[01:16] <ItzSwirlz> i am.. ill relog
[01:17] <Unit193> If logging out then back in doesn't fix it, I'd follow-up in #launchpad.
[01:17] <ItzSwirlz> i have a two-monitor setup so i have one vivaldi that has openid work and one that doesnt, so i can edit on one but not the other butim not complaining
[01:17] <ItzSwirlz> thanks
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Unit193: ItzSwirlz: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=61049 - still in effect ? Though I have seen nothing recent on the WIKI login issue.
[01:21] <ItzSwirlz> The OpenID thing when i clicked "continue" just froze
[01:21] <Unit193> Fun times...
[04:49] <ahc> newly install Focal 20.04, "upgraded" in fact, and I find I have Bionic 18.04 repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list   Please can anyone point me to a list of the Ubuntu repositories I should have there.  .. Main Focal I guess is one.
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> !sources | ahc
[04:52] <ahc> Yes I have Main Universe Restricted Multiverse all ticked in the box, strange I don't see them in /sources.list
[04:58] <ahc> https://pastebin.com/6TaVAQED  < --   apt update output is here. I don't know what the frequent mention of "InRelease" is about. What is InRelease? Just the current packages I guess.
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> your paste was not found ahc
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | ahc try also this
[05:04] <ahc> OK. Thanks folks.
[05:07] <ahc> What is !uptodate ? I don't understand that lotuspsychje
[05:08] <rfm> ahc, I would go through /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d and get rid of anything that says bionic, plus those bizarre cine1erra-gg-org things (where did *they* come from, then do the update/full-upgrade dance.
[05:08] <arraybolt3[m]> ahc: He used a bot command.
[05:08] <arraybolt3[m]> The ubottu user said what he wanted you to see. !uptodate was the command to get the bot to say it.
[05:11] <ahc> Only installed cinelerraGG yesterday, it seems to work fine, I'll check its repository sources.   sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade returns just the same.
[07:17] <river> hey
[07:17] <river> is there a good program to look inside a tar file without unzipping it?
[07:18] <luna> file-roller
[07:18] <river> ty!
[07:18] <luna> np
[07:33] <matsaman> river: tar -tvf foo.tar
[07:37] <kraiskil> I installed the ARM cross compiler (arm-none-eabi-gcc) on jaunty, but I can't find the cross gdb. Am I missing something, or is it just not packaged?
[07:37] <kraiskil> s/jaunty/jammy :)
[07:38] <kraiskil> (maybe that switch would improve my googling luck too...)
[08:23] <fn31ln3> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu20.04 LTS on a machine and for `sudo systemctl status NetworkManager.service` I get `Unit NetworkManager.service could not be found.`. Is this normal?
[08:23] <fn31ln3> I did nothing special but apt update && upgrade
[08:36] <mjt> I notice the Ubuntu 22.04 installer didn't encrypt /boot with LUKS - only the 'main' partition. Is there any reason to jump through hoops to encrypt "/boot"?
[08:37] <mjt> I saw some guides online, and it seems complicated and I can't see any apparent benefit, in a context where I only really want encryption to stop someone who steals my laptop extracing information - don't care about tampeering.
[08:37] <mjt> tampering*
[08:38] <ducasse> then no, i wouldn't worry about it
[08:39] <catphish> i didn't know grub could decrypt /boot - never seen it done
[08:39] <ducasse> it can if it has the module for it
[08:39] <mjt> That's exactly what the complicated guides do - configure grub to decrypt /boot.
[08:40] <catphish> that's cool, but only necessary if you're worried about tampering with your boot settings, i'd say it matters much less now with secure boot / signed kernels
[08:40] <catphish> in terms of protecting your files when you lose your device, not necessary
[08:41] <lissyx> hello
[08:41] <mjt> Indeed, and, well, insert XKCD comic about hitting someone with a hammer for their password.
[08:41] <lissyx> I've failed to find accurate docs on how one should build/rebuild a snap
[08:41] <lissyx> I'd need to do that on a fier
[08:41] <lissyx> firefox
[08:42] <catphish> i've been using mint for the leat 10 years, but going to use the lag between ubuntu 22.04 release and the mint release to try some other options, i can't stand the default ubuntu layout with the left oriented bar, so going to try kde first :)
[08:43] <mjt> I don't mind the left-oriented bar, but it drives me insane that clicking the very bottom-left corner of the screen doesn't open up "Show applications".
[08:43] <mjt> It seems like a bug, can't find anything filed for it.
[08:44] <mjt> As in - if your cursor is in the corner, it misses activaitng the button.
[08:44] <computerworm> hi catphish, if you want to use KDE on Ubuntu, your best bet is Kubuntu - https://kubuntu.org/
[08:44] <catphish> computerworm: that's exactly what i'm about to install :)
[08:45] <computerworm> Oh okay, I thought you were asking for advice. I'm glad you've got it under control :)
[08:46] <catphish> computerworm: thanks, i didn't ask any question yet :) but i do have a question - is the default desktop environment in ubuntu "stock" gnome 3? can it be customized to be more like the MSwindows/mate/kde that i'm used to?
[08:47] <ogra> catphish, it is one click in the apperance settings to move the panel to the right or bottom ...
[08:47] <ogra> (and yes, it uses GNOME (4))
[08:47] <computerworm> catphish, the default DE in Ubuntu is a customized GNOME 40, not stock GNOME nor GNOME 3
[08:48] <computerworm> And I think there's an app available called gnome-tweak that lets you change additional settings, catphish
[08:48] <computerworm> It's not installed by default, you have to install it yourself
[08:48] <catphish> thanks both, can't hurt to install it and play with those settings then to see if i can bend it to my liking
[08:49] <catphish> i like trying out different things every few years :)
[08:54] <computerworm> No problem catphish. I understand completely, except for me it's not every few years, it's every few months. :)
[08:55] <catphish> a long time ago i used to be more like that, i ran gentoo and played with all kinds of things, back when beryl/compiz were new, the world was exciting, and i didn't really have anything better to do
[08:56] <catphish> but then somehow i settled into Mint/Mate and got stuck there because for serious work purposes it "just worked"
[08:59] <computerworm> I've been using Linux for 2 years, tried over 2 dozen distros, and counting. Mint was first and is my current
[09:00] <computerworm> Mint, MX, and Artix are the best distros so far IMO
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> lets keep it support related please
[09:06] <catphish> that's unfortunate, just installed kubuntu and after a reboot my system just sits with its firmware splash logo on the screen, no visible sign of linux running :(
[09:08] <catphish> the firmware finds the ubuntu UEFI in its boot menu, when selecting it my usb peripherals seem to be reset, but then nothing further
[09:08] <catphish> any pointers how to get some debug output?
[09:09] <arraybolt3> catphish: Sounds like a kernel panic. To get debug output:
[09:09] <arraybolt3> First, turn the system all the way off, then turn it on. During early boot, just after the screen changes (or goes totally black), hit Esc.
[09:10] <arraybolt3> This should get you into the GRUB boot menu. You might have to try this a few times until you find the sweet spot for when to hit Esc.
[09:10] <catphish> that works
[09:11] <arraybolt3> Once you get into the menu, hit "E".
[09:11] <arraybolt3> Change the line that says "linux" in it to just "linux /boot/vmlinuz".
[09:12] <arraybolt3> Actually, hold on, I had a better idea.
[09:12] <catphish> ok
[09:12] <arraybolt3> Change the line that says "linux" in it by removing "quiet" and "splash" from the command line.
[09:12] <arraybolt3> This will allow debug output to show on the screen.
[09:12] <arraybolt3> Now press Ctrl+X.
[09:12] <catphish> yeah i was about to say, i can just remove splash quiet and see what happens first
[09:13] <catphish> grub is VERY slow on my 4k display
[09:13] <arraybolt3> If you see it stop scrolling lines of gobbldygook, and the last bit says something like "Kernel panic - not syncing", that's your problem.
[09:15] <catphish> that worked, seems like it's actually booted just fine, so likely a problem with X11/nvidia, maybe i'll try a different HDMI port
[09:16] <arraybolt3> During install, did you check the box for installing proprietary drivers?
[09:16] <arraybolt3> That should give you better nVidia performance.
[09:16] <catphish> yes i did
[09:16] <arraybolt3> (And might kick your system into working if you didn't do that already.)
[09:17] <arraybolt3> Crud. Then... blah. Well, your HDMI port idea was good.
[09:18] <arraybolt3> catphish: Another thing you might try is, when you boot Linux, try hitting "Ctrl+Alt+F3" to see if you can get to a terminal. That will let you run commands to try to troubleshoot and fix the issue.
[09:18] <catphish> i can log into a shell at least, oddly i don't see any nvidia or nouveau kernel modules, but it's been a long time since i looked at this
[09:19] <arraybolt3> Nice.
[09:19] <catphish> arraybolt3: yep, just did exactly that :)
[09:19] <arraybolt3> What nVidia card are you using?
[09:19] <arraybolt3> And what version of Kubuntu?
[09:20] <catphish> RTX2080 Ti, and whatever's current (22.04)
[09:21] <catphish> wow, startx is still a thing, and it gives me a working desktop :|
[09:22] <catphish> i'll update everything and try again
[09:22] <arraybolt3> Hmph. That sounds like an SDDM problem.
[09:22] <catphish> thanks for the pointers
[09:23] <arraybolt3> Yeah, sure. Hey, can you try restarting the system, logging into a terminal, and then doing "sudo systemctl restart sddm"?
[09:26] <catphish> desktop performance was garbage, it can't have been running proper GPU drivers, just did an update, rebooted, now it's working, it's loaded the nvidia kernel module, started the DE at boot, and performance is good
[09:27] <arraybolt3> catphish: Awesome. Glad it's working now!
[09:28] <catphish> so clean install, no "nvidia" or "nouveau" kernel modules, no desktop, but after installing updates now have nvidia module, and all is good, just an early release teething problem i guess
[09:28] <catphish> thanks again for getting me started :)
[09:37] <arraybolt3> catphish: 👍
[09:41] <mirotalk> Hello :)
[09:44] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu uses SHA256 hashes for ISO file verification, and I just learned such hashes are vulnerable to length extension attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_extension_attack Is this a potential security risk? Would it allow someone to tamper with an Ubuntu ISO file without flunking SHA256 and GPG validation?
[09:46] <arraybolt3> (I highly suspect this isn't the case, since this attack has been known about for years, and Canonical continues to use SHA256 sums to this day, so they probably know what they're doing.)
[09:52] <catphish> arraybolt3: this doesn't allow anyone to tamper with a file without changing the hash, no
[09:53] <arraybolt3> catphish: That's what it looked like to me. And really, just the fact that Canonical uses SHA256 should be enough to tell me that's it's secure enough for what they're doing. Thank you for confirming what I was looking at!
[09:56] <catphish> a lot of things use SHA2, and to the best of my knowledge, it's still considered the best available option, this vulnerability is only a problem in a very specific case where part of the message being hashed is a secret
[10:34] <vanessa> dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:34] <vanessa> ^anybody know what that means?
[10:50] <oerheks> vanessa, we need more info?
[10:51] <oerheks> what is the full command used? on what ubuntu version, and such
[10:51] <vanessa> this is Ubuntu Focal. I am trying to install bat and ripgrep at the same time. `apt update && apt install --yes bat ripgrep`
[10:53] <oerheks> try with -y ?
[10:53] <oerheks> not sure why you run apt update without apt upgrade, but you can
[10:54] <vanessa> I cannot install bat and ripgrep at the same time.
[10:54] <rockosocko> Maybe try installing them separately? First bat and then ripgrep?
[10:55] <vanessa> if I install `bat` it goes without any problem. if I install `ripgrep` it finishes without any problem. but it throws this error when I install them together or when I install one after the other one is already installed
[10:55] <rockosocko> btw vanessa, there is a bug report on your very specific issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-ripgrep/+bug/1956837
[10:56] <oerheks> oh, nice find rockosocko
[10:56] <oerheks> add yourself to that bugreport, vanessa
[10:58] <rockosocko> vanessa, here's a bit of a duct-tape solution. Download the deb for one of them and extract it into a directory in your home dir, set path for it, and install the other one globally. It won't conflict that way.
[11:00] <vanessa> oerheks, let it be. I am not a Ubuntu user and I don't have a launchpad account.
[11:00] <oerheks> not an ubuntu user, great
[11:00] <oerheks> bye!
[11:02] <vanessa> oerheks, Ubuntu is not my daily driver is what I meant.
[11:07] <catphish> oerheks: it's normal to run apt update to update the database before both installs and upgrades, so ensure you're installing the latest packages
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:34] <strk> env | grep LANG # LANGUAGE=en  and LANG=en_US.UTF-8 # then why `ls -l` speaks to me in a different language ?
[12:34] <strk> env | grep LOC # no hits
[13:38] <transhumanist> anyone ever install varnish as a cache for ubuntu desktop? I want to run it, but it doesnt seem to actually cache wget downloads that are made in the terminal
[13:40] <leftyfb> transhumanist: are you trying to install a varnish caching server on the desktop where downloads will be cached?
[13:41] <transhumanist> yes to accelerate my cross compiling and test builds and stuff
[13:41] <transhumanist> I will eventually get a raspberry  pi rip off with more power for the task
[13:42] <transhumanist> sorry , meeting time, bb later
[14:28] <voyelles> hi all - I'm having trouble disabling middle mouse button paste on Jammy. The setting is missing from GNOME settings. I tried both the gsettings cli command to disable it and gnome-tweaks, but paste is still enabled. How can I disable it?
[14:30] <cardcarry> Hi running 20.04.4 LTS server I have 16 kernels installed - autoremove does nothing. 16 seems excessive - I can remove them manually but was hoping there is another way.
[14:31] <mjt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[14:32] <mjt> A little dated, some more recent suggestions here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1325387/why-is-apt-get-autoremove-failing-to-remove-my-old-kernels
[14:33] <catphish> ooo nvidia 515 drivers hit the PPA an hour ago, these are (mildly) interesting because the kernel code is free
[14:34] <catphish> (or so is my understanding)
[14:40] <QuestionMark> hi, i have install texmake and the path /usr/share/textmaker its under root ownership, can i change the owner to ther actual user without a problem (i cant see the help html file)
[14:41] <QuestionMark> *textmaker
[14:46] <catphish> normally when installing something, you would leave it owned by root, but ensure that other users have read access (and execute access) as needed
[14:47] <QuestionMark> thanks catphish
[14:58] <jhutchins> QuestionMark: You might also look for man pages.  They are more common than HTML files, although /usr/share/doc/<program> often has README and other text files.
[15:08] <QuestionMark> exit
[15:09] <cardcarry> mjt - thanks for your suggestions. apparently this is over my head.
[15:40] <cardcarry> mjt I feel silly - I only have two or three kernels on my Ubuntu 20.04 lts server - the rest are configuration files i.e. marked "rc". I found a site which tells how to remove the rc files - I have quite a few old ones (more than 20). But, I don't want to mess with something that isn't broken. Here are the commands and the url of the source site: https://pastebin.com/dA6d21AQ
[15:41] <cardcarry> the commands are to remove old configuration files
[15:42] <mjt> I'm not sure, I'd suggest backing up your system before attempting, or at least know how you can recover files from your home directory.
[15:42] <mjt> In the event the system doesn't boot.
[15:43] <cardcarry> yeah - it runs fine. i think i will just leave it be.
[15:43] <cardcarry> thank you for your time.
[16:50] <jhutchins> Actually, the thing to have if the system doesn't boot is a rescue device (CD/DVD/USB).
[16:51] <jhutchins> est I could find for the current rescue project was a Debian 8 live.
[17:31] <tacomaster> I have a question about snaps. I have found online that snaps are immutable but is there any protection to the rest of the machine? The reason I ask is I am trying to run a server service on ubuntu server and trying to see if it would be better to use a container or a snap for security reasons?
[17:32] <leftyfb> tacomaster: you might be better asking in #snappy , #lxc or #ubuntu-server
[17:33] <tacomaster> Ok I will do that
[17:35] <tacomaster> One last question. If I am a complete noob with apparmor where would be the best place to start on how to start writing the apparmor profiles?
[17:36] <tacomaster> I have found this https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/beginning-apparmor-profile-development#2-introduction-to-apparmor-profiles but making sure if there is a better document
[17:38] <sarnold> tacomaster: aa-easyprof isn't the most usual way to write policy, aa-genprof might be the more common starting point; but it otherwise seems like a reasonable guide
[17:39] <tacomaster> @sarnold Thank you!
[17:43] <tacomaster> sarnold, I just noticed you set banner for apparmor. You develop on the application or just support it?
[17:45] <sarnold> tacomaster: well.. lately I do a lot less apparmor work than i would like to; I've been working on apparmor for ~23 years, though :)
[17:47] <tacomaster> sarnold, since you probably have more knowledge than anyone I know on this topic, which do you prefer SEL or apparmor
[17:47] <tacomaster> I didn't know if you used apparmor because you used ubuntu or if it was because you really though it was the better product
[17:48] <sarnold> tacomaster: selinux has more comprehensive coverage; eg I'd expect them to have better support for posix message queues, to pick an example; but I think apparmor policy is a better fit for the way most people think about their security problems
[17:48] <sarnold> tacomaster: I joined canonical in part because ubuntu adopted apparmor ~fifteen years ago
[17:50] <tacomaster> I started using ubuntu around 2008 but nothing to deep. It wasn't until this last year that I fully made the switch and really digging into the os.
[18:02] <voyelles> hi all - I'm having trouble disabling middle mouse button paste on Jammy. The setting is missing from GNOME settings. I tried both the gsettings cli command to disable it and gnome-tweaks, but paste is still enabled. How can I disable it?
[18:04] <sarnold> voyelles: probably xinput(1) --set-button-map can do it
[18:14] <tacomaster> sarnold, I was looking at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63524316/does-snap-packages-run-similar-to-containers-docker-rkt-etc-or-use-different and where it 1 answer from Swiss it says that snaps come with an apparmor profile. Does this mean that every snap already has one? If so my question my be answered by using the snap instead
[18:15] <sarnold> tacomaster: yes, the snaps do come with apparmor profiles already, but there's not a ton of space to *customize* them; eg the firefox snap probably gets read/write access to all files and directories in your home directory that aren't dotfiles
[18:16] <tacomaster> sarnold, ok so they have them but they are not always the most secure?
[18:16] <sarnold> tacomaster: snaps also come with some seccomp rules by default, which apparmor won't do -- but you can get something very similar if you write systemd service files for your application
[18:17] <sarnold> tacomaster: yeah; they're useful and good but I prefer tighter rules on most of my software
[18:17] <tacomaster> sarnold basically I am trying to setup a plex media server but with any internet facing service I want it to be locked down as much as possible
[18:18] <voyelles> sarnold: thanks, ill try that!
[19:00] <Hash> I was ldownloading a diablo immortal game inside windows 10 inside vbox inside ubuntu 2022
[19:00] <Hash> and now it's crashed frozen
[19:01] <leftyfb> Hash: define "it"
[20:02] <xMopx> i have two systems with the same kernel, modules, and version of libvirt. Both have a bridge interface for libvirt. One works fine but on the newer one the virt guests can't get a dhcp lease. I can see the request & reply on my router but it doesn't seem to reach the VM
[20:03] <xMopx> if i run the guest in a NATed config it works fine so i know it's not a problem with the guest
[20:03] <xMopx> i can't find anything different vs the working host. Routes and iptables are identical. How can I troubleshoot this?
[20:04] <oerheks> identical hostname?
[20:06] <xMopx> the guest's mac address and hostname are unique
[20:06] <xMopx> and i can copy the guest's xml config to the older host and it works fine
[21:09] <xMopx> i plugged in a spare usb-based nic and created a new bridge. With the guest on this second bridge nic it works fine!
[22:01] <brk> hello good people, there is something i cant figure out. In .bash_aliases I have assigned one alias for one command: alias <name>='command' . I cant figure out how to add more alias commands. Am I supposed to add another alias <name>='command' on the next line?
[22:02] <hggdh> brk: yes
[22:03] <brk> so each line can start with alias <name>='command' .. like 30 coomands on 30 lines?
[22:04] <sarnold> yeah
[22:04] <hggdh> yes; you set aliases with alias name='commands', and you unset them with unalias name
[22:06] <brk> mhm, great, thank you
[23:17] <pi0> ok cool
[23:54] <MinusSeven> I have a question that I have no idea what the exact answer is, if anyone wants to hear it.
[23:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | MinusSeven
[23:55] <Animortis> Hey guys, can't get NetworkManager to activate. Doing a 'systemctl enable NetworkManager' but no symlinks are created and I'm not sure how to proceed. I think it's keeping me from running flatpaks.
[23:56] <enigma9o7[m]> I hope minusseven's question is easier, cuz yours sounds odd.
[23:56] <Animortis> lol
[23:56] <MinusSeven> If you're using FTP, and you send a file, you have to choose whether it's ASCII or Binary. But, when you transfer a file, doesn't it read and write the file the same way regardless of whether it's a text file or not? Just byte by byte, or whatever size it uses.
[23:56] <MinusSeven> maybe not easier
[23:57] <sarnold> MinusSeven: ascii mode will mangle line endings when sending and receiving; I don't know if it queries the remote system to find out what the default line endings are, or what
[23:57] <enigma9o7[m]> if affects newline
[23:58] <sarnold> MinusSeven: it's best to just always use binary mode, and then use dos2unix or unix2dos or tell your tools to use the appropriate line endings when modifying the files, etcv
[23:58] <enigma9o7[m]> it does the unix 2 dos conversion if you are in ascii mode
[23:59] <tomreyn> next question will be about active vs passive. ;)
[23:59] <sarnold> ancient protocols, so much easier than complicated desktop environment things :D