[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:13] <mmikowski> :RikMills hi rik, you around?
[15:22] <RikMills> mmikowski: for now
[15:23] <mmikowski> Hey, nothing lengthy, i was just wondering if you were interested in porting some of the kubuntu focus tools upstream. No pressure, but there are some that might make a lot of sense.
[15:23] <mmikowski> Just thought I'd give you a bump before I got too far into my day.
[15:24] <mmikowski> Maybe a better way to consider is to join a video call and look through the stuff. Might be the fastest way to determine what you'd like. 
[15:25] <RikMills> mmikowski: I must admit I have not taken too close a look at what you have. I hate video calls, but I am sure we can work something out :)
[15:25] <mmikowski> Great work on the system, and just saw another big upgrade today. KDE is really starting to settle down it appears.
[15:26] <RikMills> mmikowski: I also have frameworks 5.95 and plasma 5.25 (embargoed tars) building ;)
[15:26] <mmikowski> I think the value of a video call isn't in seeing each other - honestly, I don't need that either - but in screen sharing the tools and responding immediately to question or interest. So "Screen Share Call" might be the best way to put it.
[15:26] <RikMills> currently
[15:26] <mmikowski> Ooh, that's great!
[15:27] <mmikowski> here are some of the kubuntu focus tools. On the focus, you can click any icon to launch the app through a mime-handler.
[15:27] <mmikowski> https://kfocus.org/wf/tools
[15:28] <mmikowski> We do lots of other stuff like make slack web links work, and of course hardware integration, but these seem like low hanging fruit.
[15:28] <RikMills> some of those look interesting :D
[15:29] <mmikowski> So don't worry about, just wanted to plant a seed.  If you want to return to it at some time, just let me know.
[15:29] <RikMills> ok, I am not likely to get far on it in the next week. feel free to ping if it looks like I have forgotten
[15:30] <RikMills> I do want to set up a VM with ficus sometime to see what is what. just keeps getting bumped down the list
[15:30] <RikMills> *focus
[15:30] <mmikowski> Thanks! One that is sill but solves a frequent problem for our ML customers, is the C stack switcher. Days of research into that (and many weeks and even months in others).  It saves ML guys days of doing it badly.
[15:31] <mmikowski> Ah, no worries Rik. Again, I really appreciate all the hard work you do the the distro, and would like contribute back too.
[15:32] <RikMills> I suspect the c stack switcher is probably more reverent to your userbase than the general kubuntu one, but hey, may be good for all
[15:32] <mmikowski> kk, so I'll pester you in around a week if I haven't hear from you :)
[15:33] <RikMills> please do. I just have too many balls in the air this weekend
[15:33] <mmikowski> The vidsync is another good one. Again, completely solves a common problem correctly and in a packaged way.
[15:33] <mmikowski> And, like all of these, once we improve them, they get upgraded seamlessly.
[15:34] <RikMills> :D
[15:34] <mmikowski> The mime handler is also a nice one, although not listed directly here. It will add repo + install + open on a click if needed.
[15:35] <mmikowski> Wimpress is doing this on CLI very well recently and got some good press for it; we've been doing it for over 2 years now, and we've offered to provide the UI to the project. 
[15:35] <mmikowski> sorry, GUI :P
[15:36] <mmikowski> We also contribute to get-deb which is their project.
[15:36] <mmikowski> kk, I'll let you get back to life and I'll add a reminder in my calendar to give you a bump.
[15:37] <RikMills> this sort of thing has slipped in kubuntu in recent years. custom tools to add value getting removed due to bitrot with no-one able to maintain
[15:37] <RikMills> a fresh look on this would be great
[15:38] <RikMills> ok, and thanks. this looks promising :)
[15:39] <mmikowski> We've got a really good package and dev infrastructure in place now, with automated regression tests on a nice common lib.  It's all GPL 2, and we expect to soon have a public repo. Of course, our ppa is already public.
[15:40] <mmikowski> Great Rik. Here's a quick intro to the mime-handler stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Zfv29cLrE
[15:47] <mamarley> RikMills: How come 5.25 is only for Jammy in https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/plasma/+packages ?  (Not trying to ask you to do extra work, just curious.)
[15:48] <RikMills> mamarley: because the kinetic build is in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4864/+packages
[15:48] <mamarley> Ah, figured it was something like that, thanks!
[15:48] <RikMills> to land straight to the archive on Tuesday
[15:49] <mamarley> (Got to have the latest software crack. ;) )
[15:49] <RikMills> indeed!
[15:50] <mamarley> I've been running the 5.25 beta with Wayland ever since it was released.  This is the first time I've done that for more than a couple of days without finding some reason to switch back to X.  But this is really nice.
[15:50] <RikMills> kool!
[16:38] <mamarley> Yay, they fixed the missing clock in the lock screen!
[17:20] <mamarley> Hmm, something in this is causing some menus that come off the panels (kickoff, calendar, etc.) to bump any windows in the way out of the way.  Annoying…
[21:51] <RikMills> mamarley: not seen that so far
[21:52] <mamarley> It's only on Wayland.
[21:53] <mamarley> And it is caused by https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/plasma-framework/-/commit/d0c9c659db4b35f98b7d9a3b2f8afb9fe5d73f34.
[21:58] <RikMills> is this reported as a bug?
[21:58] <mamarley> I reported it, but in the wrong application.  I need to go fix that now…
[21:59] <mmikowski> RikMills: Do you know anything about events propogating improperly on QML widgets (Plasma Optimus is the issue here). I found that script-exit events that used to fire there no longer do, which results in the widget never getting the GPU name. 
[22:00] <mmikowski> RikMills: I'm looking at an alternate execution path, but if you said something like 'No worries mate, its a known bug, and fix is in', that would make my day :)
[22:00] <RikMills> mmikowski: not right now, especially as it is 11PM here on a Friday night and I have had a few beers ;)
[22:01] <RikMills> mamarley: great. thanks
[22:02] <mmikowski> RikMills: Thanks Rik.
[22:02] <mamarley> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455138
[22:03] <RikMills> mamarley: cheers. I may DM nate
[22:04] <mamarley> Thanks!
[22:07] <RikMills> If a revert commit (or fix) does not get into 5.95, I may think about doing that in packaging tomorrow
[22:07] <mamarley> The hardest part of tracking that one down was figuring out which package it was in.  As soon as I knew which repository to look at, the commit looked fishy right away.
[22:08] <RikMills> indeed it does
[22:09] <RikMills> plasma-framework being in fw is still weird choice