[18:59] <sil2100> o/ just a heads up: I am not fully around, as I'm distracted by life™
[18:59] <rbasak> o/
[19:00] <seb128> hey
[19:01] <teward> rbasak: i'm here, but i'mma make you pay for my coffee this time
[19:01] <bdmurray> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> Here you go: ðµ
[19:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[19:02] <rbasak> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:02] <rbasak> kanashiro to update our wiki documentation with respect to our agreed packageset creation criteria (done)
[19:03] <rbasak> sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[19:03] <rbasak> teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:03] <rbasak> rbasak to add schopin to core-dev
[19:03] <rbasak> rbasak to announce schopin's successful application
[19:03] <rbasak> ^ mine are done
[19:03] <teward> carry mine over.
[19:03] <teward> just never enough time in the day/week
[19:03] <rbasak> OK
[19:04] <rbasak> #action sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[19:04] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[19:04]  * genii 's ears perk up for a moment
[19:04] <rbasak> #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:04] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:04] <rbasak> I think that's all the actions?
[19:04] <rbasak> Since we have no applications today...
[19:04] <rbasak> #topic Long-term action items (do not need to be mentioned in regular meetings)
[19:04] <teward> * rbasak to send teward all the coffee
[19:05] <rbasak> Is anyone available to take any of these?
[19:05] <teward> that's missing :P
[19:05] <bdmurray> I am not
[19:05] <rbasak> In particular, the automated packageset stuff could do with some coding (rather than meeting attendence) attention
[19:06] <rbasak> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:06] <rbasak> #info No recent ML activity
[19:06] <rbasak> #topic Open TB bugs
[19:06] <rbasak> #info
[19:06] <rbasak> There are currently no open bugs.
[19:07] <rbasak> #info There are currently no open bugs.
[19:07] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[19:07] <rbasak> AOB from anyone?
[19:07] <seb128> speaking about packageset, I think we ended up not doing any refresh before the LTS right?
[19:07] <rbasak> I guess not
[19:07] <seb128> L_aney replied to my questions on the list with details but I never found the time to digest that and do something about it
[19:07] <rbasak> I've on occasion manually added packages that are obviously correct
[19:08] <rbasak> Yeah it's not really trivial :-/
[19:08] <seb128> does anyone understand how that works better than me to work on doing a refresh?
[19:08] <seb128> if not I will try to read L_aney's reply again and figure out what the changes listed are like they are
[19:09] <seb128> I wonder if we should just go with it or if that's buggy and needs some sort of fixing though
[19:11] <rbasak> I don't think anyone currently on the DMB does understand it in detail. I roughly understand what it does, but that's it.
[19:11] <teward> ^^ that's about right
[19:11] <seb128> :-(
[19:11] <teward> i don't think anyone really understands the tooling and it's probably much overdue for a rewrite, etc.
[19:11] <teward> but nobody has the time for it
[19:11] <rbasak> Right
[19:11] <seb128> k, so more targetted question
[19:11] <seb128> I'm interested to see the desktop set refreshed to include new things we had over the recent cycles
[19:12] <rbasak> I'd like to see it refactored to Python set arithmetic, and then we could easily have tests for specific cases that need fixing manually.
[19:12] <seb128> should I just try to add those individual item in a first time? do we have a review process of some sort for such changes?
[19:12] <rbasak> But, I'm not volunteering, so that's just a suggestion.
[19:13] <rbasak> seb128: please do! There's no review process - we just ask each other as we feel appropriate.
[19:13] <seb128> would be nice, but seeing how the carry over items already kept beeing carried over again and again I doubt a more complex project is going to do better
[19:13] <seb128> rbasak, ok, thanks, will do
[19:13] <rbasak> Really it's the packageset changes that you push that you're taking responsibility as a DMB member for IMHO.
[19:13] <rbasak> And the tooling is just a way of helping with that.
[19:13] <rbasak> Thanks Seb!
[19:14] <seb128> thanks!
[19:14] <seb128> that was all from me
[19:14] <rbasak> Oh one sec
[19:15] <rbasak> You mean add the packageset packages manually, rather than working on the tooling?
[19:15] <rbasak> I think that's fine for you to just do as well, but maybe leave a note to devel-permissions@ to explain what changes you made?
[19:16] <rbasak> In other words, I'm fine with you using your judgement to decide that packages should be in the desktop packageset, but please leave a record of what you decided on the ML.
[19:16] <seb128> right, well I will read L_aney's email again and see if I can figure out something better
[19:16] <rbasak> Sure. Thanks!
[19:16] <rbasak> Any other AOB?
[19:17] <seb128> but if I don't find the time to work on that I will go the easy way and suggest the changes to fix the desktop set to match what we current provide
[19:17] <rbasak> +1
[19:17] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[19:17] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[19:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:17:40 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-06-13-19.02.moin.txt
[19:18] <seb128> thanks!
[19:18] <kanashiro> sorry folks, got a power outage here :/ it got back now