[18:59] o/ just a heads up: I am not fully around, as I'm distracted by life™ [18:59] o/ [19:00] hey [19:01] rbasak: i'm here, but i'mma make you pay for my coffee this time [19:01] o/ [19:01] Here you go: 💵 [19:02] #startmeeting Developer Membership Board [19:02] Meeting started at 19:02:43 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [19:02] Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick [19:02] #topic Review of previous action items [19:02] kanashiro to update our wiki documentation with respect to our agreed packageset creation criteria (done) [19:03] sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) [19:03] teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) [19:03] rbasak to add schopin to core-dev [19:03] rbasak to announce schopin's successful application [19:03] ^ mine are done [19:03] carry mine over. [19:03] just never enough time in the day/week [19:03] OK [19:04] #action sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) [19:04] ACTION: sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over) [19:04] * genii 's ears perk up for a moment [19:04] #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) [19:04] ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over) [19:04] I think that's all the actions? [19:04] Since we have no applications today... [19:04] #topic Long-term action items (do not need to be mentioned in regular meetings) [19:04] * rbasak to send teward all the coffee [19:05] Is anyone available to take any of these? [19:05] that's missing :P [19:05] I am not [19:05] In particular, the automated packageset stuff could do with some coding (rather than meeting attendence) attention [19:06] #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign [19:06] #info No recent ML activity [19:06] #topic Open TB bugs [19:06] #info [19:06] There are currently no open bugs. [19:07] #info There are currently no open bugs. [19:07] #topic AOB [19:07] AOB from anyone? [19:07] speaking about packageset, I think we ended up not doing any refresh before the LTS right? [19:07] I guess not [19:07] L_aney replied to my questions on the list with details but I never found the time to digest that and do something about it [19:07] I've on occasion manually added packages that are obviously correct [19:08] Yeah it's not really trivial :-/ [19:08] does anyone understand how that works better than me to work on doing a refresh? [19:08] if not I will try to read L_aney's reply again and figure out what the changes listed are like they are [19:09] I wonder if we should just go with it or if that's buggy and needs some sort of fixing though [19:11] I don't think anyone currently on the DMB does understand it in detail. I roughly understand what it does, but that's it. [19:11] ^^ that's about right [19:11] :-( [19:11] i don't think anyone really understands the tooling and it's probably much overdue for a rewrite, etc. [19:11] but nobody has the time for it [19:11] Right [19:11] k, so more targetted question [19:11] I'm interested to see the desktop set refreshed to include new things we had over the recent cycles [19:12] I'd like to see it refactored to Python set arithmetic, and then we could easily have tests for specific cases that need fixing manually. [19:12] should I just try to add those individual item in a first time? do we have a review process of some sort for such changes? [19:12] But, I'm not volunteering, so that's just a suggestion. [19:13] seb128: please do! There's no review process - we just ask each other as we feel appropriate. [19:13] would be nice, but seeing how the carry over items already kept beeing carried over again and again I doubt a more complex project is going to do better [19:13] rbasak, ok, thanks, will do [19:13] Really it's the packageset changes that you push that you're taking responsibility as a DMB member for IMHO. [19:13] And the tooling is just a way of helping with that. [19:13] Thanks Seb! [19:14] thanks! [19:14] that was all from me [19:14] Oh one sec [19:15] You mean add the packageset packages manually, rather than working on the tooling? [19:15] I think that's fine for you to just do as well, but maybe leave a note to devel-permissions@ to explain what changes you made? [19:16] In other words, I'm fine with you using your judgement to decide that packages should be in the desktop packageset, but please leave a record of what you decided on the ML. [19:16] right, well I will read L_aney's email again and see if I can figure out something better [19:16] Sure. Thanks! [19:16] Any other AOB? [19:17] but if I don't find the time to work on that I will go the easy way and suggest the changes to fix the desktop set to match what we current provide [19:17] +1 [19:17] Thanks all! [19:17] #endmeeting [19:17] Meeting ended at 19:17:40 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-06-13-19.02.moin.txt [19:18] thanks! [19:18] sorry folks, got a power outage here :/ it got back now