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lordievaderGood morning06:48
andrew__a09:45
andrew__hello09:46
andrew__hello?09:47
andrew__is someone here?09:47
arraybolt3[m]andrew__ Hello!09:47
andrew__hello09:47
arraybolt3[m]What can we help you with?09:47
andrew__ummm09:47
andrew__this app came with kde09:47
andrew__plasma09:48
andrew__i think09:48
arraybolt3[m]KDE Plasma?09:48
arraybolt3[m]Are you wondering what it is, or is something going wrong with it?09:48
andrew__i tried to install kde in cutefishos09:48
andrew__im curious what this app is for09:48
arraybolt3[m]Well, KDE Plasma is your desktop environment. It's what gives you a desktop to click around on, so it's pretty important if you want a KDE desktop.09:49
arraybolt3[m]However, cutefishos is not supported in this channel. However, you can look for official support channels for your OS (potentially another IRC channel). Also, you can join #kde, where they'll be happy to help you regardless of OS IIRC.09:50
arraybolt3[m](Technically, Plasma is a shell. It's the main user environment that you interact with, similar to gnome-shell with the GNOME Desktop Environment.)09:50
arraybolt3[m]As a question, since CuteFishOS uses Ubuntu as a base, why do you need to use it if you want KDE? You can install Kubuntu instead, and then have full support from the #kubuntu and #ubuntu support channels, which are generally active (especially #ubuntu)09:52
arraybolt3[m](Also, Kubuntu comes with KDE preinstalled.)09:53
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WheatleyTheMorona09:54
arraybolt3[m]WheatleyTheMoron: If you're testing your IRC client, I am able to see your "a". Hello, and how are you doing?09:54
WheatleyTheMoronhello09:54
WheatleyTheMoronim andrew09:54
WheatleyTheMoroni changed my name09:54
WheatleyTheMorondue to some error09:54
WheatleyTheMoronit was like09:55
arraybolt3[m]Ah. Yeah, I saw the thing glitched.09:55
WheatleyTheMoronoh09:55
WheatleyTheMoronkde is a desktop right?09:55
arraybolt3[m]KDE is a desktop environment. There's a subtil difference between a desktop and a desktop environment.09:55
WheatleyTheMoronoh09:56
arraybolt3[m]The desktop (or technically "shell") is the thing you click around in. It gives you the Application Menu, the task manager, your wallpaper and whatnot. The shell for KDE is Plasma.09:56
WheatleyTheMoronoh09:57
arraybolt3[m]KDE is the Plasma desktop, the KWin window manager (which is another component of the Linux system), and KDE applications.09:57
arraybolt3[m](There's a bit more than that, but that's a good overview.)09:57
arraybolt3[m]Out of curiosity, do you need to use CutefishOS? CutefishOS isn't officially supported by this channel, but Kubuntu is, and it comes with a full KDE desktop preinstalled.09:57
WheatleyTheMoroncan i install kubuntu on an external ssd?09:58
arraybolt3[m]Yep. You just select the external SSD when you do the installation.09:58
WheatleyTheMoronoh09:58
arraybolt3[m]When you get to the bit about partitions and disks, you should be able to simply select your external SSD from a drop down menu.09:58
WheatleyTheMoronok09:59
WheatleyTheMoronis kubuntu like10:01
WheatleyTheMoronkde and ubuntu10:01
WheatleyTheMoroninto one thing10:01
WheatleyTheMoron?10:01
arraybolt3[m]Yeah. It's Ubuntu, but fully KDE-ified.10:01
WheatleyTheMoronoh10:01
WheatleyTheMorondoes it still use apt?10:01
arraybolt3[m]Yep.10:01
WheatleyTheMoronok10:01
WheatleyTheMoronim gonna try installing kubuntu10:02
WheatleyTheMoronbut my microsoft edge tab select is blocked by the thing on top10:02
arraybolt3[m]Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, etc., are all the same OS under the hood, but they all have a different desktop environment. Kubuntu uses KDE, while Ubuntu uses GNOME. So if you know how to use Ubuntu (or any flavour thereof), you will easily figure out your way around any other one.10:02
WheatleyTheMoronwhats ubuntu studio10:02
arraybolt3[m]Oy, that sounds annoying. Do you need a direct download link?10:03
WheatleyTheMoronno10:03
WheatleyTheMoronim curious10:03
WheatleyTheMoronalso the server is fast10:03
WheatleyTheMoron4.3 mb10:03
arraybolt3[m](Ubuntu Studio is essentially Kubuntu, but modded for content creation. It has tons of audio software, video software, etc., preinstalled, and has some mods under the hood to make it better for those uses.)10:04
WheatleyTheMorono10:04
WheatleyTheMoronis lubuntu ubuntu but lite?10:05
arraybolt3[m]Yeah.10:05
WheatleyTheMoroni get it10:05
WheatleyTheMoronive reached 5.0 mb in my download10:05
WheatleyTheMorontest internet connection10:06
WheatleyTheMoronok10:06
WheatleyTheMoronit still works10:06
arraybolt3[m]Each Ubuntu "variant" is called a flavour. All the ubuntu flavours are officially supported by the #ubuntu channel and also by the channel for that flavour (so Kubuntu is supported in both #ubuntu and #kubuntu). They are officially recognized as being Ubuntu.10:07
WheatleyTheMoronoh10:07
arraybolt3[m]Hey, how are you downloading Kubuntu? Through your browser, or over BitTorrent?10:08
WheatleyTheMoronbrowser10:08
arraybolt3[m]OK. And are you using Windows at the moment?10:08
WheatleyTheMoronno10:08
WheatleyTheMoronim using cutefishos10:08
IrcsomeBot<npeippo> Torrent was quite fast with 1Gbps connection :p10:08
WheatleyTheMoronim trying to learn linux10:08
IrcsomeBot<npeippo> I'm re-learning it :) I used different Linux distros from about 2004 to 2010, and now started again10:09
IrcsomeBot<npeippo> Torrent was quite fast with a 1Gbps connection :p10:09
arraybolt3[m]Ah. OK. Make sure you get the SHA256 checksum for your Kubuntu ISO so you can check the ISO file and ensure that it's been downloaded properly. Sometimes the Internet can totally mangle your download in transit.10:09
WheatleyTheMoronhow do i check the checksum?10:09
arraybolt3[m]You should be able to pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then do "cd ~/Downloads", followed by "sha256sum ./<ISO file name here>", replacing the placeholder accordingly.10:10
WheatleyTheMoronoh10:10
WheatleyTheMoronok10:10
WheatleyTheMoron33 secs left10:10
arraybolt3[m]This will spit out a very weird-looking ID code, you can then compare it with the SHA256 hash from the website.10:11
arraybolt3[m]If the code from sha256sum and the code from the website match perfectly, your ISO is good. Otherwise, something went wrong somewhere along the way and you'll need to download the ISO again.10:12
WheatleyTheMorondownloads done10:12
WheatleyTheMoronimma check sha256 checksum10:12
WheatleyTheMoronthing10:12
arraybolt3[m]Hey, another thing I'd like to ask is, how old is your computer?10:13
arraybolt3[m]If it's new enough (most computers today are), there's a trick that I think you will really like for learning Linux. Virtual machines.10:14
WheatleyTheMoroni made it this year10:15
WheatleyTheMoroncustom bulit10:15
arraybolt3[m]Well that's almost certainly new enough.10:15
arraybolt3[m]Congrats!10:15
arraybolt3[m]I almost did that, but instead decided to mangle an old OEM desktop to get it to take upgrades it wasn't designed to take. Worked pretty well.10:16
WheatleyTheMoronim trying to switch linux distros10:16
WheatleyTheMoronas my wifi drivers10:16
WheatleyTheMoronisnt working10:16
WheatleyTheMoronim using usb tethering with my phone right now10:16
arraybolt3[m]Hmm. What WiFi card did your motherboard come with? (Or what WiFi card did you install?)10:16
WheatleyTheMoronintel wifi 316810:17
WheatleyTheMoronit came with my motherboard10:17
WheatleyTheMoronbecause i only had one pcie slot10:17
WheatleyTheMoronitx10:17
andrew__umm10:19
andrew__my internet cutted out10:19
arraybolt3[m]It looks likely that Ubuntu will just work with your WiFi card out of the box, though I'm not entirely sure about that. When you boot from the live USB, you'll know soon enough, and if it's gone wrong, we can fix it.10:19
arraybolt3[m]Eh, it happens.10:20
andrew__also the store and the update software in this os10:20
andrew__is broken10:20
andrew__it cant connect to packages,cutefishos.com10:20
arraybolt3[m]In Kubuntu, or CutefishOS?10:20
andrew__cutefish10:20
arraybolt3[m]Ah. I've not had problems installing software in Kubuntu through apt.10:20
andrew__the wifi problem happened after i expanded the free space for cutefishos10:21
andrew__ok10:21
andrew__im gonna go partitioning10:21
arraybolt3[m]OK. Be careful, don't select the wrong drive!10:22
andrew__how do i resize an exfat partition10:26
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: Hold one one moment...10:27
andrew__im using gparted10:27
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: Sadly, it appears that exFAT can't be resized with Ubuntu10:28
arraybolt3[m]https://askubuntu.com/questions/1375545/cant-resize-my-exfat-partition10:28
andrew__can third-party software resize it?10:29
arraybolt3[m]Maybe, but it looks dangerous.10:30
andrew__o10:30
andrew__ventoy is installed on my external ssd10:34
arraybolt3[m]Oy.10:37
arraybolt3[m]Man, not sure what to do there. I assume you have a nice collection of Linux ISO files that you don't want to lose, just like I do?10:37
andrew__looks like i have to switch to windows for this10:46
andrew__ill be back10:47
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: Some people had success using DiskGenius to resize exFAT. Even Windows can't resize exFAT.10:47
andrew__ill try aomei first10:47
andrew__if that doesnt work10:47
andrew__im gonna try using diskgenius10:47
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Why does K22.04 randomly freezes shows up a blank screen and logout of desktop?11:30
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> It happened for many times in a day and so frustrating11:31
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> maybe because of the new systemd OOM11:32
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> it's quick on the trigger11:32
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Fixes any?11:32
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> you could try disabling it11:33
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> systemctl disable --now systemd-oomd11:33
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> systemctl mask systemd-oomd11:34
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> don't know when it will be fixed, I read somewhere that they are looking into it11:34
tomreynor you could, first of all, inspect your logs and try to understand whether this is actually what's happening, or something else entirely.11:43
tomreynjournalctl -eb    would show logs in a terminal (you can scroll up until the latest reboot)11:44
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?12:07
andrew__hello12:11
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: Hello!12:12
andrew__im back12:12
andrew__im in kubuntu12:12
arraybolt3[m]Congrats! WiFi?12:12
andrew__yes12:12
arraybolt3[m]🎉12:12
andrew__wait12:14
andrew__im gonna connect the external ssd to a usb 3.0 port12:15
arraybolt3[m]Yeah?12:15
arraybolt3[m]andrew__ Careful, if you're booted from the SSD, and you unplug it...12:15
arraybolt3[m]Crud. Bet his Kubuntu just crashed when he did that.12:16
lordievadermunawar707: You want to follow tomreyn's advice. Figure out why things are freezing, is it really due to your system going out of memory, or is some application crashing... or something else.12:16
andrew__ok12:17
andrew__thats faster12:17
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.12:18
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches (re @munawar707: Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?)12:18
andrew__huh?12:18
arraybolt3[m]andrew__ Nice!12:18
arraybolt3[m]andrew__ There's another support conversation going on around us.12:18
arraybolt3[m]That bit about systemd-oomd was directed toward someone else.12:18
IrcsomeBot<Djordje> and  tomreyn has a point.  You should first go through the logs but this seems that is related too systemdoom12:18
andrew__also i noticed my resolution is set to my monitor's max resolution12:19
andrew__i think the installer installed the amd drivers12:19
andrew__i had to reinstall the driver in my cutefishos installation12:19
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: That's good, right? Or are you using a HiDPI screen and now everything's the size of a pin head?12:19
andrew__my monitor is a AOC 27G412:20
andrew__i think12:20
andrew__1920x108012:20
andrew__hello12:21
BluesKajHi all12:21
arraybolt3[m]Nice.12:21
arraybolt3[m]andrew__: Did you check the box for proprietary drivers during installation? If so, then you probably did get the AMD drivers.12:22
lordievaderandrew__: What is the output of `xrandr` and `sudo lspci -k`?12:23
lordievader!paste12:23
ubottuFor posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.12:23
andrew__i did check the proprietary drivers12:24
andrew__test12:33
arraybolt3[m]I see ya!12:33
arraybolt3[m]Yeah, if you've got the proprietary drivers, you're probably good. To be extra sure, pop open a terminal and do "sudo software-properties-kde", then click the Drivers tab and make sure the proprietary drivers for your GPU are selected.12:34
arraybolt3[m](Sorry for my delayed reply, it took me this long to figure out how to verify the GPU drivers... 😐)12:34
lordievader`lscpi -k` tells you which driver is loaded for which pci card 😉12:35
andrew__o12:35
arraybolt3[m]Olivier: Didn't know that, wasn't sure if your commands were designed for driver checking or not! Thanks!12:36
lordievaderYou could also go the `lsmod` route, but that requires more experience (and knowledge of the running system).12:37
arraybolt3[m]Olivier: software-properties-kde will give you a nice GUI with radio buttons and all that jazz.12:37
lordievaderarraybolt3: Obviously I'm a cli kind of guy 😉12:38
arraybolt3[m]Way nicer for people who don't spend their life in the terminal. (Though I spend a lot of my life in the terminal, so I'll keep your command in my back pocket.)12:38
arraybolt3[m](Like, I usually have at least one terminal open, sometimes I end up with as many as five (?!))12:39
BluesKajyakuake ftw :-)12:40
arraybolt3[m]Love Yakuake.12:41
lordievaderarraybolt3: You want to look into tmux. I typically have one terminal (konsole) open, with one tmux tab per host.12:41
arraybolt3[m]Tried tmux, the think is I like CLI, and I like intuitive TUI, but crazy TUI (ala tmux) is not my gig. You should've seen me fighting with WeeChat.12:42
arraybolt3[m]s/think/thing12:42
andrew__a12:43
andrew__im tinkering with the taskbar (or application launcher)12:44
andrew__how do i make it small12:44
andrew__help12:46
andrew__how do i apply12:46
andrew__using keyboard12:46
andrew__oh12:47
andrew__i figured it out12:47
andrew__hello?12:53
lordievaderWhats up?12:55
andrew__is there a way to make the taskbar smaller?13:04
arraybolt3[m]andrew__ Right click on the taskbar, and click "Enter edit mode". You should be able to shrink the taskbar from there.13:05
arraybolt3[m]There will be a number with + and - buttons on either size of it, the - button should shrink your taskbar.13:05
andrew__oh13:06
andrew__i found it13:06
andrew__ok13:07
andrew__im gonna go to sleep13:07
andrew__bye13:07
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Thanks (re @Djordje: With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.13:13
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches)13:13
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> When Ubuntu 22.04.1 coming out?13:53
arraybolt3[m]Probably around 3 months after the initial release of 22.04, I believe.13:53
arraybolt3[m]So we're around a month away, if I'm understanding correctly.13:53
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> By July hopefully?13:54
arraybolt3[m]I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.13:54
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> No I’d wait for final public release (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.)13:55
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years13:57
tomreynmunawar707: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/2390613:58
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Thanks13:58
IrcsomeBot<Danas> Is it working already? (re @munawar707: Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years)14:14
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Yeah very well14:14
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> No testing whatsoever14:15
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> No tearing whatsoever14:15
IrcsomeBot<blahblahblah269> Does kubuntu still needs a minimum of 4gig ram? Every blog I read has mentioned this 😐16:10
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> 2GB minimum and 4GB is for comfortable usage16:11
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Almost every distribution states so16:11
oerheksyes, minimum specs are upgraded to 4 gb. for all versions16:12
oerhekstry to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn16:12
enigma9o7[m]August 4th @munawar70716:16
enigma9o7[m]Source: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/2390616:16
IrcsomeBot<munawar707> Try to open Chrome tabs with 2 gb 🤣🤣🤣 (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> try to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn)16:39
eduardp Hi, may I ask a question?17:03
eduardpy name is Eduard, and I normally do not try to be on the lastest and greatest version of kde, but today I found 5.25 was going to be released and I am eager to test it.17:03
eduardp I use kubuntu 22.04. Do you know if the kde 5.25 version is it going to be in backports today?17:04
eduardpShould I use another ppa (without having to go to 22.10 devel?17:04
RikMillseduardp: it will come in backports ppa fairly soon17:05
oerhekseduardp, in short; no17:05
oerheksah RikMills explains that it can be in backports, but today?17:05
eduardpThank you all!17:05
RikMillseduardp: I am waiting a little while to see if any critical issues come in from people who have upgraded elsewhere17:07
eduardpHi Rik I saw you made the packets for 22.10 devel, should I keep refreshing backports and eventually I'll get it today or I better wait until tomorrow or the end of the week?17:07
eduardpNor that I mind keep refreshing... It kind of makes me remember my old times!!!17:08
RikMillsI am tempted to push it later on this evening, but it could be tommorow17:08
eduardpOk, thank you very much. And thank you for your great job!!!17:09
RikMillsnp17:11
IrcsomeBot<Numerion> Hello everyone) I need your advice: earlier I wrote a post about my problem with starting the system, an inscription appeared on the monitor screen - Starting Hostname Service... {OK} Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen. The method with pastebin I was there and did not understand what I needed to do. But I still managed to start the system, so I wanted to ask you - did I do everything right to make the system work ?? What I did exactly: 17:45
tomreynNumerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.17:56
tomreynNumerion: regarding pastebin services, here's the example I had given yesterday (?): http://paste.debian.net/plain/124411018:00
IrcsomeBot<Numerion> Are you not seeing all the text? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> Numerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.)18:41
tomreynIrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.18:44
IrcsomeBot<Numerion> Sorry for my repetition of the message, but as I understand it, my main message was not completely reflected in you (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.)18:50
IrcsomeBot<Numerion> What I did exactly: during system boot, I selected advance options, then I selected recovery mode from the list and the kernel from the list 5.15.0.37 - the system started, then a standard update via the console, installing Nvidia drivers - rebooting the system. As a result, the system works. Did I do everything right to solve my problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "c18:50
IrcsomeBot<Numerion> Sorry for the repetitions18:50
tomreynNumerion: no worries. indeed, this text did not make it to IRC previously - it's still better to use a pastebin-like service for longer texts.19:07
tomreyni do not know what "problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen" is, so i would not be able to guess whether installing the pending nvidia proprietary driver update (automatically) would have fixed that. but you will probably know? is the issue gone?19:08
user|RobotechTrahi,21:10
user|RobotechTraanyone here to help me?21:10
oerheksask your real question, wait and see?21:11
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