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[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:45] <andrew__> a
[09:46] <andrew__> hello
[09:47] <andrew__> hello?
[09:47] <andrew__> is someone here?
[09:47] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Hello!
[09:47] <andrew__> hello
[09:47] <arraybolt3[m]> What can we help you with?
[09:47] <andrew__> ummm
[09:47] <andrew__> this app came with kde
[09:48] <andrew__> plasma
[09:48] <andrew__> i think
[09:48] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE Plasma?
[09:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Are you wondering what it is, or is something going wrong with it?
[09:48] <andrew__> i tried to install kde in cutefishos
[09:48] <andrew__> im curious what this app is for
[09:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, KDE Plasma is your desktop environment. It's what gives you a desktop to click around on, so it's pretty important if you want a KDE desktop.
[09:50] <arraybolt3[m]> However, cutefishos is not supported in this channel. However, you can look for official support channels for your OS (potentially another IRC channel). Also, you can join #kde, where they'll be happy to help you regardless of OS IIRC.
[09:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Technically, Plasma is a shell. It's the main user environment that you interact with, similar to gnome-shell with the GNOME Desktop Environment.)
[09:52] <arraybolt3[m]> As a question, since CuteFishOS uses Ubuntu as a base, why do you need to use it if you want KDE? You can install Kubuntu instead, and then have full support from the #kubuntu and #ubuntu support channels, which are generally active (especially #ubuntu)
[09:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, Kubuntu comes with KDE preinstalled.)
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[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> a
[09:54] <arraybolt3[m]> WheatleyTheMoron: If you're testing your IRC client, I am able to see your "a". Hello, and how are you doing?
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> hello
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> im andrew
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> i changed my name
[09:54] <WheatleyTheMoron> due to some error
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> it was like
[09:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. Yeah, I saw the thing glitched.
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:55] <WheatleyTheMoron> kde is a desktop right?
[09:55] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE is a desktop environment. There's a subtil difference between a desktop and a desktop environment.
[09:56] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:56] <arraybolt3[m]> The desktop (or technically "shell") is the thing you click around in. It gives you the Application Menu, the task manager, your wallpaper and whatnot. The shell for KDE is Plasma.
[09:57] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> KDE is the Plasma desktop, the KWin window manager (which is another component of the Linux system), and KDE applications.
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (There's a bit more than that, but that's a good overview.)
[09:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Out of curiosity, do you need to use CutefishOS? CutefishOS isn't officially supported by this channel, but Kubuntu is, and it comes with a full KDE desktop preinstalled.
[09:58] <WheatleyTheMoron> can i install kubuntu on an external ssd?
[09:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep. You just select the external SSD when you do the installation.
[09:58] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[09:58] <arraybolt3[m]> When you get to the bit about partitions and disks, you should be able to simply select your external SSD from a drop down menu.
[09:59] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> is kubuntu like
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> kde and ubuntu
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> into one thing
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> ?
[10:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. It's Ubuntu, but fully KDE-ified.
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> does it still use apt?
[10:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep.
[10:01] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> im gonna try installing kubuntu
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> but my microsoft edge tab select is blocked by the thing on top
[10:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, etc., are all the same OS under the hood, but they all have a different desktop environment. Kubuntu uses KDE, while Ubuntu uses GNOME. So if you know how to use Ubuntu (or any flavour thereof), you will easily figure out your way around any other one.
[10:02] <WheatleyTheMoron> whats ubuntu studio
[10:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy, that sounds annoying. Do you need a direct download link?
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> no
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> im curious
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> also the server is fast
[10:03] <WheatleyTheMoron> 4.3 mb
[10:04] <arraybolt3[m]> (Ubuntu Studio is essentially Kubuntu, but modded for content creation. It has tons of audio software, video software, etc., preinstalled, and has some mods under the hood to make it better for those uses.)
[10:04] <WheatleyTheMoron> o
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> is lubuntu ubuntu but lite?
[10:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah.
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> i get it
[10:05] <WheatleyTheMoron> ive reached 5.0 mb in my download
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> test internet connection
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:06] <WheatleyTheMoron> it still works
[10:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Each Ubuntu "variant" is called a flavour. All the ubuntu flavours are officially supported by the #ubuntu channel and also by the channel for that flavour (so Kubuntu is supported in both #ubuntu and #kubuntu). They are officially recognized as being Ubuntu.
[10:07] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, how are you downloading Kubuntu? Through your browser, or over BitTorrent?
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> browser
[10:08] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. And are you using Windows at the moment?
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> no
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> im using cutefishos
[10:08] <IrcsomeBot> <npeippo> Torrent was quite fast with 1Gbps connection :p
[10:08] <WheatleyTheMoron> im trying to learn linux
[10:09] <IrcsomeBot> <npeippo> I'm re-learning it :) I used different Linux distros from about 2004 to 2010, and now started again
[10:09] <IrcsomeBot> <npeippo> Torrent was quite fast with a 1Gbps connection :p
[10:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK. Make sure you get the SHA256 checksum for your Kubuntu ISO so you can check the ISO file and ensure that it's been downloaded properly. Sometimes the Internet can totally mangle your download in transit.
[10:09] <WheatleyTheMoron> how do i check the checksum?
[10:10] <arraybolt3[m]> You should be able to pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then do "cd ~/Downloads", followed by "sha256sum ./<ISO file name here>", replacing the placeholder accordingly.
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> oh
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> ok
[10:10] <WheatleyTheMoron> 33 secs left
[10:11] <arraybolt3[m]> This will spit out a very weird-looking ID code, you can then compare it with the SHA256 hash from the website.
[10:12] <arraybolt3[m]> If the code from sha256sum and the code from the website match perfectly, your ISO is good. Otherwise, something went wrong somewhere along the way and you'll need to download the ISO again.
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> downloads done
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> imma check sha256 checksum
[10:12] <WheatleyTheMoron> thing
[10:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, another thing I'd like to ask is, how old is your computer?
[10:14] <arraybolt3[m]> If it's new enough (most computers today are), there's a trick that I think you will really like for learning Linux. Virtual machines.
[10:15] <WheatleyTheMoron> i made it this year
[10:15] <WheatleyTheMoron> custom bulit
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Well that's almost certainly new enough.
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Congrats!
[10:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I almost did that, but instead decided to mangle an old OEM desktop to get it to take upgrades it wasn't designed to take. Worked pretty well.
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> im trying to switch linux distros
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> as my wifi drivers
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> isnt working
[10:16] <WheatleyTheMoron> im using usb tethering with my phone right now
[10:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. What WiFi card did your motherboard come with? (Or what WiFi card did you install?)
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> intel wifi 3168
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> it came with my motherboard
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> because i only had one pcie slot
[10:17] <WheatleyTheMoron> itx
[10:19] <andrew__> umm
[10:19] <andrew__> my internet cutted out
[10:19] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks likely that Ubuntu will just work with your WiFi card out of the box, though I'm not entirely sure about that. When you boot from the live USB, you'll know soon enough, and if it's gone wrong, we can fix it.
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, it happens.
[10:20] <andrew__> also the store and the update software in this os
[10:20] <andrew__> is broken
[10:20] <andrew__> it cant connect to packages,cutefishos.com
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> In Kubuntu, or CutefishOS?
[10:20] <andrew__> cutefish
[10:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. I've not had problems installing software in Kubuntu through apt.
[10:21] <andrew__> the wifi problem happened after i expanded the free space for cutefishos
[10:21] <andrew__> ok
[10:21] <andrew__> im gonna go partitioning
[10:22] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Be careful, don't select the wrong drive!
[10:26] <andrew__> how do i resize an exfat partition
[10:27] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Hold one one moment...
[10:27] <andrew__> im using gparted
[10:28] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Sadly, it appears that exFAT can't be resized with Ubuntu
[10:28] <arraybolt3[m]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1375545/cant-resize-my-exfat-partition
[10:29] <andrew__> can third-party software resize it?
[10:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe, but it looks dangerous.
[10:30] <andrew__> o
[10:34] <andrew__> ventoy is installed on my external ssd
[10:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy.
[10:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, not sure what to do there. I assume you have a nice collection of Linux ISO files that you don't want to lose, just like I do?
[10:46] <andrew__> looks like i have to switch to windows for this
[10:47] <andrew__> ill be back
[10:47] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Some people had success using DiskGenius to resize exFAT. Even Windows can't resize exFAT.
[10:47] <andrew__> ill try aomei first
[10:47] <andrew__> if that doesnt work
[10:47] <andrew__> im gonna try using diskgenius
[11:30] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Why does K22.04 randomly freezes shows up a blank screen and logout of desktop?
[11:31] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> It happened for many times in a day and so frustrating
[11:32] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> maybe because of the new systemd OOM
[11:32] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> it's quick on the trigger
[11:32] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Fixes any?
[11:33] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> you could try disabling it
[11:33] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> systemctl disable --now systemd-oomd
[11:34] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> systemctl mask systemd-oomd
[11:34] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> don't know when it will be fixed, I read somewhere that they are looking into it
[11:43] <tomreyn> or you could, first of all, inspect your logs and try to understand whether this is actually what's happening, or something else entirely.
[11:44] <tomreyn> journalctl -eb    would show logs in a terminal (you can scroll up until the latest reboot)
[12:07] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?
[12:11] <andrew__> hello
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Hello!
[12:12] <andrew__> im back
[12:12] <andrew__> im in kubuntu
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Congrats! WiFi?
[12:12] <andrew__> yes
[12:12] <arraybolt3[m]> 🎉
[12:14] <andrew__> wait
[12:15] <andrew__> im gonna connect the external ssd to a usb 3.0 port
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah?
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Careful, if you're booted from the SSD, and you unplug it...
[12:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Crud. Bet his Kubuntu just crashed when he did that.
[12:16] <lordievader> munawar707: You want to follow tomreyn's advice. Figure out why things are freezing, is it really due to your system going out of memory, or is some application crashing... or something else.
[12:17] <andrew__> ok
[12:17] <andrew__> thats faster
[12:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.
[12:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches (re @munawar707: Will it break my system if I disable systemctl?)
[12:18] <andrew__> huh?
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Nice!
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ There's another support conversation going on around us.
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> That bit about systemd-oomd was directed toward someone else.
[12:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Djordje> and  tomreyn has a point.  You should first go through the logs but this seems that is related too systemdoom
[12:19] <andrew__> also i noticed my resolution is set to my monitor's max resolution
[12:19] <andrew__> i think the installer installed the amd drivers
[12:19] <andrew__> i had to reinstall the driver in my cutefishos installation
[12:19] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: That's good, right? Or are you using a HiDPI screen and now everything's the size of a pin head?
[12:20] <andrew__> my monitor is a AOC 27G4
[12:20] <andrew__> i think
[12:20] <andrew__> 1920x1080
[12:21] <andrew__> hello
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__: Did you check the box for proprietary drivers during installation? If so, then you probably did get the AMD drivers.
[12:23] <lordievader> andrew__: What is the output of `xrandr` and `sudo lspci -k`?
[12:23] <lordievader> !paste
[12:23] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[12:24] <andrew__> i did check the proprietary drivers
[12:33] <andrew__> test
[12:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I see ya!
[12:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, if you've got the proprietary drivers, you're probably good. To be extra sure, pop open a terminal and do "sudo software-properties-kde", then click the Drivers tab and make sure the proprietary drivers for your GPU are selected.
[12:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry for my delayed reply, it took me this long to figure out how to verify the GPU drivers... 😐)
[12:35] <lordievader> `lscpi -k` tells you which driver is loaded for which pci card 😉
[12:35] <andrew__> o
[12:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Olivier: Didn't know that, wasn't sure if your commands were designed for driver checking or not! Thanks!
[12:37] <lordievader> You could also go the `lsmod` route, but that requires more experience (and knowledge of the running system).
[12:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Olivier: software-properties-kde will give you a nice GUI with radio buttons and all that jazz.
[12:38] <lordievader> arraybolt3: Obviously I'm a cli kind of guy 😉
[12:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Way nicer for people who don't spend their life in the terminal. (Though I spend a lot of my life in the terminal, so I'll keep your command in my back pocket.)
[12:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (Like, I usually have at least one terminal open, sometimes I end up with as many as five (?!))
[12:40] <BluesKaj> yakuake ftw :-)
[12:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Love Yakuake.
[12:41] <lordievader> arraybolt3: You want to look into tmux. I typically have one terminal (konsole) open, with one tmux tab per host.
[12:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Tried tmux, the think is I like CLI, and I like intuitive TUI, but crazy TUI (ala tmux) is not my gig. You should've seen me fighting with WeeChat.
[12:42] <arraybolt3[m]> s/think/thing
[12:43] <andrew__> a
[12:44] <andrew__> im tinkering with the taskbar (or application launcher)
[12:44] <andrew__> how do i make it small
[12:46] <andrew__> help
[12:46] <andrew__> how do i apply
[12:46] <andrew__> using keyboard
[12:47] <andrew__> oh
[12:47] <andrew__> i figured it out
[12:53] <andrew__> hello?
[12:55] <lordievader> Whats up?
[13:04] <andrew__> is there a way to make the taskbar smaller?
[13:05] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew__ Right click on the taskbar, and click "Enter edit mode". You should be able to shrink the taskbar from there.
[13:05] <arraybolt3[m]> There will be a number with + and - buttons on either size of it, the - button should shrink your taskbar.
[13:06] <andrew__> oh
[13:06] <andrew__> i found it
[13:07] <andrew__> ok
[13:07] <andrew__> im gonna go to sleep
[13:07] <andrew__> bye
[13:13] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Thanks (re @Djordje: With provided commands you'll be disabling the systemd-oomd.
[13:13] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> This is the article I was talking about https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-systemd-oomd-Headaches)
[13:53] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> When Ubuntu 22.04.1 coming out?
[13:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably around 3 months after the initial release of 22.04, I believe.
[13:53] <arraybolt3[m]> So we're around a month away, if I'm understanding correctly.
[13:54] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> By July hopefully?
[13:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.
[13:55] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> No I’d wait for final public release (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> I think so. You can force an upgrade early, if you want, if that's what you're hoping for, but waiting for the first point release is probably a good idea.)
[13:57] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years
[13:58] <tomreyn> munawar707: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[13:58] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Thanks
[14:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Danas> Is it working already? (re @munawar707: Also I’m pretty mesmerized how well KDE manages fractional scaling on HD displays than Gnome/XFCE could’ve done in next million years)
[14:14] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Yeah very well
[14:15] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> No testing whatsoever
[14:15] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> No tearing whatsoever
[16:10] <IrcsomeBot> <blahblahblah269> Does kubuntu still needs a minimum of 4gig ram? Every blog I read has mentioned this 😐
[16:11] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> 2GB minimum and 4GB is for comfortable usage
[16:11] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Almost every distribution states so
[16:12] <oerheks> yes, minimum specs are upgraded to 4 gb. for all versions
[16:12] <oerheks> try to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn
[16:16] <enigma9o7[m]> August 4th @munawar707
[16:16] <enigma9o7[m]> Source: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[16:39] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Try to open Chrome tabs with 2 gb 🤣🤣🤣 (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> try to open a few firefox tabs with 2 gb.. grinn)
[17:03] <eduardp>  Hi, may I ask a question?
[17:03] <eduardp> y name is Eduard, and I normally do not try to be on the lastest and greatest version of kde, but today I found 5.25 was going to be released and I am eager to test it.
[17:04] <eduardp>  I use kubuntu 22.04. Do you know if the kde 5.25 version is it going to be in backports today?
[17:04] <eduardp> Should I use another ppa (without having to go to 22.10 devel?
[17:05] <RikMills> eduardp: it will come in backports ppa fairly soon
[17:05] <oerheks> eduardp, in short; no
[17:05] <oerheks> ah RikMills explains that it can be in backports, but today?
[17:05] <eduardp> Thank you all!
[17:07] <RikMills> eduardp: I am waiting a little while to see if any critical issues come in from people who have upgraded elsewhere
[17:07] <eduardp> Hi Rik I saw you made the packets for 22.10 devel, should I keep refreshing backports and eventually I'll get it today or I better wait until tomorrow or the end of the week?
[17:08] <eduardp> Nor that I mind keep refreshing... It kind of makes me remember my old times!!!
[17:08] <RikMills> I am tempted to push it later on this evening, but it could be tommorow
[17:09] <eduardp> Ok, thank you very much. And thank you for your great job!!!
[17:11] <RikMills> np
[17:45] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> Hello everyone) I need your advice: earlier I wrote a post about my problem with starting the system, an inscription appeared on the monitor screen - Starting Hostname Service... {OK} Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen. The method with pastebin I was there and did not understand what I needed to do. But I still managed to start the system, so I wanted to ask you - did I do everything right to make the system work ?? What I did exactly: 
[17:56] <tomreyn> Numerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.
[18:00] <tomreyn> Numerion: regarding pastebin services, here's the example I had given yesterday (?): http://paste.debian.net/plain/1244110
[18:41] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> Are you not seeing all the text? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> Numerion: if there was anything behind "What i did exactly:", then it was cur off for us on IRC due to maximum line length.)
[18:44] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.
[18:50] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> Sorry for my repetition of the message, but as I understand it, my main message was not completely reflected in you (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "cut off", not "cur off", that's right. But I can only guess that is what happened.)
[18:50] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> What I did exactly: during system boot, I selected advance options, then I selected recovery mode from the list and the kernel from the list 5.15.0.37 - the system started, then a standard update via the console, installing Nvidia drivers - rebooting the system. As a result, the system works. Did I do everything right to solve my problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: i meant to write "c
[18:50] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> Sorry for the repetitions
[19:07] <tomreyn> Numerion: no worries. indeed, this text did not make it to IRC previously - it's still better to use a pastebin-like service for longer texts.
[19:08] <tomreyn> i do not know what "problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen" is, so i would not be able to guess whether installing the pending nvidia proprietary driver update (automatically) would have fixed that. but you will probably know? is the issue gone?
[21:10] <user|RobotechTra> hi,
[21:10] <user|RobotechTra> anyone here to help me?
[21:11] <oerheks> ask your real question, wait and see?
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