=== julian is now known as Guest1698 === COMMUNINJA is now known as RMOTAO === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei === amurray_ is now known as amurray [01:33] Can i running vsti plugin use wine in orangepi zero? [01:36] orangepi: Pretty sure the Orange Pi uses an ARM chip. I don't think Wine probably exists for ARM systems, and even if it does, it almost certainly won't be compatible with VSTi instruments, since VSTs are generally designed for Intel-based processors AFAIK. [01:41] I see running in raspberry pi [01:43] Hmm, looks like you're right, Wine for ARM does exist. If you're able to find ARM64 VSTi plugins, then that may indeed do the trick. === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei === NeoFAT32_ is now known as NeoFAT32 [05:39] ok I feel stupid [05:39] in Ubuntu software it says there is an update for snap store [05:39] I go to update it and it tells me to close it [05:40] I close it and it wont update [05:40] I open terminal and snap refresh says everything is up to date [05:40] what the heck do I do??? [05:41] Maybe silly, but can you just try "sudo snap refresh snap-store"? [05:42] it says its running [05:42] software center is closed [05:42] kill 1877 did it [05:42] * Guest0 hugs arraybolt3[m] thanks mate [05:42] cheers [05:57] heya people [05:59] can anyone help me set up a samba network on a ubuntu host operating system that will allow me to share files and my local printer with guest installs of kali and windows? === zeroes_ is now known as zeroes [06:27] routebee: hmmm. I haven't done that since my RHEL certification 6 or 7 years ago [06:28] iirc the man pages were more or less all one needed. What kind of sysadmin experience do you have? [06:33] hi, i'm trying to send email with ssmtp using outlook. this is the errors i recieve: https://pastebin.com/raw/5kYgKQcY and this is my ssmtp.conf file: https://pastebin.com/raw/MxiEGU5H anyone knows how can i solve it? [06:44] does ubuntu makes modifications to mutter in it's distro? [06:46] !info mutter [06:46] mutter (42.1-0ubuntu1, jammy): Example window manager using GNOME's window manager library. In component universe, is extra. Built by mutter. Size 104 kB / 233 kB [06:47] Well it doesn't sync it from Debian, that's for sure [07:12] Hello, I was facing connectivity issues with my webcam when connected to USB 3 port. The vendor told me to update UVC Drivers on my system running Ubuntu 20.04 with the latest update. They sent me this link for instructions [07:12] https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers#Installing_the_Compiled_Driver_Modules [07:13] I'm trying to build the UVC Driver on my system but getting this error, can anyone help me to resolve the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hmvFRc6CFn/ [07:16] I don't know that is causing that error [07:17] Ack, I can't tell that you did anything wrong either! [07:17] It looks like a kernel incompatibility, or a driver bug to me. [07:20] You might be able to fix it by switching from the HWE kernel to the stock kernel. [07:20] Thanks, arraybolt3[m] I don't know what to do now, the Webcam vendor is saying me to update UVC Driver. Can you help me find out which version will be compatible with my system Ubuntu 20.04 latest updated.? [07:21] What webcam are you using? [07:22] Hikvision DS-U02 https://www.hikvision.com/en/products/Turbo-HD-Products/Turbo-HD-Cameras/webcam-series/ds-u02/ [07:24] I managed to find your bug report regarding the camera failure, you managed to get the camera to work once? [07:24] I think the issue is kernel incompatibility, How do I download version that matches for my kernel from here https://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git === GSMarquis77 is now known as GSMarquis [07:25] Yes, It worked when connected to USB 2.0 port [07:25] not working when connected to USB 3.0 ports [07:26] But now it doesn't work even in a USB 2 port now, right? [07:27] it works for once after complete system restart, after using camera if I try to start it again then it won't work. [07:27] It's working on usb 2.0, but have to restart system to make it working again [07:28] Hmm. OK, some error logs will be helpful. Can you do what you just said (to make the camera fail to work), then check your /var/log/syslog for anything suspicious? Feel free to pastebin non-sensitive info and send it. [07:29] Thanks, I'll check now [07:36] It is getting recognized by the system https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z4hxHM9Bny/ but it is not showing up as a webcam nowhere [07:38] is it normal that the input device number keeps incrementing every time I reconnect the webcam? I don't have 37 input device connected to my system right now [07:40] is there any way to force refresh the connected devices list ? [07:41] Had a look at the linux sources regarding that build failure, and usb_maxpacket() got changed from 3 args to 2 args 3 months ago, so the driver you're trying to build is expecting a very recent kernel version [07:41] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/2ddf7617d568fdcbd3cc454bb4849fa6d3398c86 [07:41] Commit 2ddf761 in torvalds/linux "usb: remove third argument of usb_maxpacket()" [07:42] Can I upgrade the kernel on my current system running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? [07:44] How do I download older UVC Driver supported by my kernel from their git repository? [07:44] https://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git [07:44] looking closer though, it was deprecated before that, so it may not require that new a version [07:46] my current Kernel version is 5.13.0-48-generic [07:47] deprecated in april https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/0f08c2e7458e25c967d844170f8ad1aac3b57a02 [07:47] Commit 0f08c2e in torvalds/linux "usb: deprecate the third argument of usb_maxpacket()" [07:47] in practice that means you need 5.19 or newer [07:48] Ohh [07:49] webchat47: yes, you need to extract config and build new kernel with it [07:51] geirha: 5.19 looks insane, even gentoo haven't stabilized anything higher then 5.15 [07:52] outoftime I don't know how, are there any instructions or documentation for that? [07:54] webchat47: gentoo's wiki have awesome guide about how to build kernel with modules. But it can break more things.. Some driver's like nvidia needs kernel's sources to build, so you need to rebuild it if you are using one. Don't know about firmware though. [07:56] IDK, maybe it is better to take arch's kernel. Less build headache. Any ready to use solution will be better if it is one time job. [07:56] What is the kernel version for ubuntu testing? [07:56] It feels too advanced for me to do, I can't break this computer since it is only available for me to work. I just wanted this webcam to work but it is very complicated process. [07:57] my current Kernel version is 5.13.0-48-generic [07:57] webchat47: ubuntu 2020 looks like LTS, not testing [07:57] Launchpad bug 3007 in Launchpad itself "'Currently Published Elsewhere' pointer to the other string" [Medium, Fix Released] [duplicate: 2020] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3007 [07:57] !testing [07:57] To test your hardware, you can use the packages memtest86+ (for memory, can be started from the !GRUB boot menu), smartmontools (for hard drives), cpuburn (which MIGHT damage your processor if cooling is not adequate!). Additionally, lm-sensors can be useful to monitor temperatures and fan speeds - See also !benchmark [07:58] from what I can tell, 5.15 is the newest ubuntu has touched at all [07:59] webchat47: sorry, I have no DE right now (building qtwebengine will take a long time) [07:59] The ones writing that driver probably hasn't thought things through, just used the latest sources of linux they could find to build against [07:59] geirha: maybe make downgrade patch? [08:02] geirha: have you figured out what 3rd param used for ? It is required or there are saine default value? [08:04] according to the commit message, it was removed because it could be derived from the second argument; apparently it's just a boolean that says if the pipe is outgoing or ingoing [08:04] webchat47: What you might be able to do is manually edit the driver source code to fix the build error - this is, in fact, a kernel incompatibility (at least it looks like that), and a simple tweak may make the driver work. [08:05] should I just edit that line in that file? [08:05] I'll try that now [08:05] geirha: so 3rd argument should be somewhere in the function's body then. [08:06] webchat47: I believe so. If someone can figure out if the pipe in that one argument is outgoing or incoming, it should be a matter of just adding a "true" or "false" in there. If you do the wrong one, it will probably not work, so you may be able to use trial and error. [08:06] webchat47: wait, do not write something, just to write. [08:06] hey,what are you talking about [08:07] Which argument should I remove? [08:07] webchat47: You don't remove one, you add one. [08:08] where are you from,everybody [08:08] Hany: webchat47: have beent tald to update web cam driver, but driver provided uses kernel 5.19 feature, that is why downgrading driver looks the easiest solution [08:08] Hany I'm trying to build the UVC Driver on my system but getting this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hmvFRc6CFn/ [08:08] webchat47: The kernel is expecting 3 arguments, the driver is only giving it 2. It needs a "true" or "false" added on the end if I'm understanding correctly. Which one, I don't know. [08:08] changing usb_maxpacket(dev, pipe) -> usb_maxpacket(dev, pipe, usb_pipeout(pipe)) should work if I read the commit correctly [08:09] webchat47: ^^^ [08:09] I'll try it now [08:09] geirha: That looks right to me (I don't know C, but as a programmer, I get the logic.) webchat47: Do what geirha says and see what happens. [08:09] (I know C#, so I can kinda get the gist of some C code.) [08:10] arraybolt3[m]: C specs are the easiest (250+ pages or so) [08:11] Webchat47 Sorry, I haven't heard of this [08:12] outoftime: Quick C programming = security vulnerability. I don't like that. [08:12] From where do I import usb_pipeout? [08:13] webchat47: do you have compilation error? [08:13] It's in the same file; linux/usb.h [08:13] webchat47: That doesn't exactly make sense to me, can you pastebin the new error, if you're getting one? [08:14] Oh, wait a minute, I get it, nevermind. [08:14] I edited the file, now shall I run ./build? [08:14] Sounds good, give it a go! [08:14] okay [08:14] didn't it use make? [08:15] if so, just run make [08:16] geirha: You're right. webchat47: Not sure what ./build is, try just running "make". [08:16] webchat47: follow build instructions from the driver's providers [08:16] It downloads few files when I run ./build [08:17] Actually, you're right. Man, I'm frazzled, sorry. geirha, outoftime: The build instructions say to use "./build". [08:17] aha, ok. Maybe ./build does all the wget-ing and untaring then finally runs make [08:18] geirha: you are right, he needs to make now [08:18] webchat47: you have edited sources, try 'grep make build' [08:19] webchat47: If ./build gives you the exact same error, it probably downloaded the original file and overwrote your changes, in which case, try "make" rather than "./build" next time. [08:20] webchat47: "grep make build" will show you exact execution like for making driver by the script file, at least it has to [08:21] It is running build right now, halfway done till it reaches that last error line [08:22] I just typed ./build, should I cancel it and run grep make build again? [08:22] I'd let it run, and if it fails, then try again and try something else. [08:23] okay, it might take another 2 minutes [08:23] (Canceling stuff can sometimes have surprising consequences...) [08:23] webchat47: you can open another terminal window, no need to iterupt [08:23] ctrl+shift+t for gnome terminal [08:24] okay, in new terminal should I run grep make build? [08:26] webchat47: that build will likely fail, so yes you'd like to figure out how make is executed by "build system" [08:27] probably you can comment everything up to first make (or make that fails) [08:27] after 200 lines it might fail [08:27] I'm comparing last output from my pastebin with this current execution [08:28] webchat47: you can comment all lines from 'build' script up to the point when make executed and run ./build again [08:28] Ohh, I didn't know that was possible [08:28] It is creating those device files again [08:29] webchat47: can you link me your driver's sources tar ball? [08:29] yes [08:29] I'll grab it from earlier in the chat. [08:29] https://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git [08:30] heh, build script is perl [08:30] This is the guide webchat47 is following: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers#Installing_the_Compiled_Driver_Modules [08:31] geirha: do you know perl? [08:31] ah well, there's a Makefile at top level, so just run make next time [08:31] Hi, I got the same error again [08:31] webchat47: Then ./build probably overwrote your code change. Is it on the exact same line? [08:31] Looks like it reverted my changes in that file [08:31] yes [08:31] webchat47: If so, edit the file again and just run "make" rather than "./build". [08:31] okay [08:33] webchat47: have you cloned that repository? What branch are you in? [08:33] master I guess [08:33] Latest repo === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei [08:33] I followed this https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers#Installing_the_Compiled_Driver_Modules [08:33] "Basic" User's Approach [08:34] I've changed that file again, should I run grep make ? [08:34] or just make [08:34] I think just "make". [08:34] okay [08:36] Update: It solved that error for that file, and threw an error for same function at another file [08:36] I will change that function parameters in another file as well [08:36] grep -rw usb_maxpacket . [08:36] should list all occurances [08:36] webchat47: grep [08:36] will list all files you need to change (hopefuly) [08:37] yes it did, thanks [08:37] those files are device files for some third party cameras [08:38] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhcQdtd22K/ [08:39] I'd say change them anyway. If the compiler ends up hitting any of those files in the compilation process, it's gonna likely throw up at that line. [08:40] changing now [08:40] And it's quite plausible that the driver code is configured to build EVERYTHING. [08:40] hi all [08:40] humanface: Hi! [08:40] webchat47: you can add -n flag to show line numbers or [08:40] you can use 'sed utility to do it for you' [08:40] can I use ubuntu live cd to try out a certain game? I mean will it play the same way as I would install normally and use an ubuntu? [08:41] or live cd will have restricted hardware usages? [08:41] I've never used sed before [08:41] humanface: Depending on the size of what you're trying to install, it might fail unless you have a lot of RAM, since live CDs use the RAM for file storage. [08:41] I mean for example on live cd I could use only half of the power of my machine, or something like that [08:41] ok I have way too much ram, so that's not a problem [08:41] Hello guys. Is there a way to disable auto-update on ubuntu? [08:42] but other than that, will it restrict my hardware or not? [08:42] arraybolt3[m] [08:42] I have this computer I use rarely and every time I turn it on it offers me large updates [08:42] humanface: The live CD should be able to do anything that you can do from Ubuntu. The only restriction I can think of will be disk space (you'll have as much "drive space" as half of your RAM). [08:42] mithrin: Is there a particular reason you need to do that? It's a security risk to disable automatic updates. [08:42] sed -i 's/usb_maxpacket\(dev, pipe\)/usb_maxpacket\(dev, pipe, usb_pipeout\(pipe\)\)/' something like this, \ before each ( or ) [08:43] ok [08:43] arraybolt3[m], it annoys me and this computer is only used for one thing so no risk in it [08:43] mithrin: How important is the computer (and the data on it)? If it's very important, it would be best to apply all the large updates on every bootup. Otherwise you're risking your system. [08:43] that won't catch all of them [08:44] and \( is incorrect [08:44] mithrin: OK, looking for directions. [08:44] found it already [08:44] mithrin: I think these instructions should help you to turn off the automatic updates. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/how-to-disable-automatic-update-ubuntu [08:44] 's/usb_maxpacket(\([^,]*\), \([^,]*\))/usb_maxpacket(\1, \2, usb_pipeout(\2))/' [08:44] humanface: probably live cd used nouveau (open source nvidia driver) so yeah, hardware support may be not perfect. Live CD made to run everywhere, not to run on max performance, which is what you want. [08:45] actually, I could work with it launching "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y" with every startup (it doesn't start very often). What I can't stand is the gui [08:45] outoftime we will see, but dualboot is like a forbidden and dangerous magic [08:45] mithrin: That's a good idea. That would be the most secure and also handy. I think I can help with making that happen. [08:46] (By "handy" I meant "not annoying"...) [08:46] humanface: who said that? [08:46] outoftime I'm saying that [08:46] I would need to read hours about the topic, and I don't even have 20 minutes to do that [08:46] humanface: I used dual boot almost 10 years, have no idea what you are talking about. [08:46] outoftime: It actually can be pretty dangerous, and with Ubuntu 22.04, it can be tricky to get working thanks to the disabled os-prober. [08:47] outoftime I don't even know how to setup things to use dualboot... without damaging my existing drives datas [08:47] arraybolt3[m]: thank's God I'm gentoo user now.. [08:47] arraybolt3[m] right [08:48] I changed that function in all files and now running make [08:49] you just set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false and then re run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg as root [08:49] mithrin: Hmm, this looks trickier than I thought. [08:49] on the other hand you can install os-prober and grub should just figure out that it is present and work out [08:49] arraybolt3[m], leave it. I'll figure it out. I managed to turn off those gui updates [08:49] outoftime I don't even know what is os-prober or grub, so.... [08:49] thank you [08:49] outoftime that's why I said... I don't have hours to read about these things [08:50] grub -> is the bootloader [08:50] os-prober -> probes whether your system has any other OS'es installed [08:50] gpkumar you know making dualboot won't be easier with knowing this info, right? [08:50] humanface: sad, linux is about reading things (unless flatpack) [08:51] humanface: you literally need to execute 3 commands [08:51] humanface: did you install windows after linux? [08:51] gpkumar: I think he has Widnows because he is asking about live cd linux [08:52] just wanted to confirm, does running make command will resume execution from where it threw the error last time? [08:52] if it is ubuntu it will take care of the os-prober thing, you'll see both ubuntu and windows entries on your grub menu [08:53] webchat47: no, but make is part of the build process, so yes, you will make one step from build process [08:53] webchat47: IMHO the best is to read that perl file (build) and comment out everything up to make to let it finish as expected [08:54] gpkumar I don't even understand what are you talking about... "if it's ubuntu" what is ubuntu? my current os? [08:54] humanface: my messge for you if you aren't willing to read staff about linux (at least part of it you really need) do not use it, use Mac OS or Windows or whatever [08:55] outoftime I don't really have choice, I'm not a normal user, I'm a programmer... [08:55] and I need to test out my app on linux [08:55] virtualbox [08:55] done [08:55] why not use vm [08:55] yep [08:55] virtualbox..... nope.... [08:55] webchat47: make compares timestamp of each source file with target file. If target file is missing or older than source file, it compiles it, otherwise, skips. In practice, that means it should skip all the files it already compiled [08:55] on virtualbox I had 2 fps during ingame [08:56] webchat47: I don't think so, I believe it will restart the build from scratch. [08:56] humanface: wsl? [08:56] gpkumar virtualbox can't be used for this [08:56] outoftime I have no idea what is wsl [08:56] Oh okay [08:56] humanface: then invest your time in dualboot [08:56] install wsl2 on windows [08:56] hi [08:57] i have problem with my bracket app for html [08:57] gpkumar but what is wsl? the same like virtualbox? [08:57] because if yes, I can't use that [08:57] humanface: Or install Ubuntu to an external drive. [08:57] my bracket doesn't work at live mode [08:58] wizard1: What is "bracket"? Is it an application you're trying to use? [08:58] yes it's somthing like vscode [08:58] arraybolt3[m] do you know what wsl is? [08:58] but it's for html [08:58] is it the same as virutalbox? === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei [08:58] humanface: Not really. I know it's sorta like a VM, let me find a link... [08:59] It might have better graphical performance, I don't know. [08:59] is here any one who can help me [08:59] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about [08:59] arraybolt3[m] so my app is a game... I tried it in virtualbox ubuntu, it stuttered like hell, I had 1-2 fps... I don't need 60 for the try, I would be happy if live cd could run that at 20 fps [08:59] at least [08:59] wizard1: How did you try to install bracket? [09:00] since dualboot is like driving an airplane, I wonder if wsl or live cd could prove better fps for me than 2 fps [09:00] with apt [09:00] humanface: Really, the best way I can think of to do this, is install Ubuntu to an external drive. [09:00] humanface: Get two USB drives, one with the Ubuntu ISO, one blank. Boot from the live USB. [09:01] humanface: Then insert the blank USB, and install Ubuntu directly to that. Then you should be able to boot from the USB you installed to. It's way easier than dualboot, since you just switch between systems by plugging or unplugging a flash drive before booting the system. [09:01] #html [09:01] humanface: The live CD might be better, but it might not work at all. WSL might be better, but it might also not give you an accurate indication of whether your app will work in true Ubuntu or not. [09:01] arraybolt3[m] and you're telling me that an installed ubuntu on an usb drive would work the same way as I would use an SSD or HDD? [09:02] wizard1: There's three conversations going on in here, give me a bit. We'll try to help sort out what's gone wrong. [09:02] and the game I would use would have the same performance? [09:02] arraybolt3[m]: he refuses to dual boot, because he is a "pro"grammer and he don't like to figure out how to dual boot [09:02] humanface: Yeah. The drive won't be as fast (obviously), but you'll be able to install the good GPU drivers and have high performance in the installed system. [09:03] do you know this app ? [09:03] i will tell you [09:03] wizard1: Can you open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, and then try to run bracket from the terminal? [09:03] outoftime: People kill their systems with dualboot sometimes. It's a legitimate concern he has. [09:03] yes [09:03] outoftime: And it's not nice to mock people in chat support. If he doesn't want to use dualboot, that's his decision, and there's other alternatives. [09:03] arraybolt3[m] so would I have better performance running the ubuntu from an usb drive and the game inside that, than using an usb as live cd and installing/using the game from that? [09:04] wizard1: I don't, but if you launch it from a terminal, that may give you an error that tells you what's going wrong. [09:04] humanface: Almost without question. [09:04] wow [09:04] I would have never thought that [09:04] i can run it from terminal [09:04] it's open now [09:04] but my problem is that live mode of this app doesn't work [09:05] humanface: The live USB won't have good GPU drivers, so your performance may be awful. But install the system and install the proprietary drivers in the process, and that should work. [09:05] wizard1: Can you try to put the app in live mode and see if any errors get spit out onto the terminal? [09:05] yes iam donig [09:06] it gave this one [09:06] (in order for live preview to connect. chrome needs to be relaunched with remote debugging enavled [09:06] ) [09:07] wizard1: Is Brackets installed as a snap package? [09:07] i don't know [09:07] i don't remember actual [09:07] y [09:07] and it gave me one link for info [09:07] wizard1: Oh wait, you said you used apt, nevermind. I'm searching for solutions. [09:07] is it use full [09:07] ? [09:08] thanks [09:08] for more info it gave me a link [09:08] is it usefull for you [09:08] ? === kaiseisei1 is now known as kaiseisei [09:10] wizard1: Sure, send the link. [09:10] Update: Build is still running and for few files, its showing this "Skipping BTF generation" https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K9YcqfYndt/ [09:11] humanface: if you have no choice because you are "pro"grammer, then why not stop beeing "pro"grammer? It is a good choice. [09:11] wizard1: what do you mean "not working" ? [09:11] wizard1: I think your problem is that you need to launch Chrome from the terminal using --remote-debugging-port=9222 to make your live preview mode work. [09:12] hey man [09:12] i solved it [09:12] thanks for your help [09:12] my problem was that i was using proxy [09:13] what is vmlinux? During build it's showing Skipping BTF generation due to unavailability of vmlinux , for few files. [09:13] wizard1: Glad it's solved! [09:14] webchat47: I wouldn't worry about that, if the build isn't failing. [09:18] Here is the output of the build https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ghRMR2Wx9Y/ [09:18] arraybolt3[m]: how did ppl managed to kill their systems with dualboot? Was it about clearing entire drive during installing GNU\Linux distro or some internal grub/windows problem? [09:18] do you think the the make command completed the build? [09:18] how to invoke the "safely remove" option in nautilus for USB device from the CLI? [09:18] outoftime: Resize an NTFS partition, something glitches, data dead. [09:18] webchat47: Looks good! [09:19] outoftime: I just about nuked a perfectly good installation doing dualboot during the partition wrangling process. [09:19] webchat47: vmlinux is a linux kernel itself. BTF is a debug "feature" to debug kernel. [09:19] outoftime: I, personally, will never do dualboot again unless I have no other choice. It was too close to disaster. [09:19] I think ubuntu installer option "install alongside windows" works as expected. [09:20] gpkumar: It should work as expected, but I've watched Ubuntu butcher an NTFS partition before, for no apparent reason. It wasn't fun. [09:21] I see [09:22] now I should run "make install" right? [09:22] webchat47: If that's what the instructions say to do. [09:22] yes [09:22] webchat47: build log complain about debug symbols, not more [09:22] webchat47: WAIT [09:22] okay [09:23] webchat47: I just remembered "make install" can cause problems if you ever need to uninstall something. Let me look up checkinstall, it's safer. [09:23] after doing make, I think there will be a binary mode that can be executed by ./ [09:23] webchat47: OK, install "checkinstall" via apt, then run "sudo checkinstall" rather than "sudo make install". [09:23] gpkumar: I believe this is a driver. [09:24] ok, I'll install checkinstall [09:24] 😮 [09:24] last time I did a driver install was on ubuntu 16.04 [09:24] gpkumar: I guess it could be manually modprobe'd in, but that might be complicated. [09:24] 👍 yep [09:28] Before I do " sudo checkinstall" should I remove old UVC driver from my system? [09:28] One moment please... [09:28] remove it before modprobing [09:28] or it will do an automatic upgrade? [09:29] webchat47: I believe the instructions say to reboot. [09:29] webchat47: after instalation you need to "enable" module (whithout reboo) so you have time to eject web cam wire [09:29] You're not removing the old driver from the system, you're removing it from memory so it doesn't muddy things up. [09:30] Is it like first I will run sudo checkinstall, and then reboot the system ? [09:30] outoftime: Looking at the directions, I think that the system handles that automatically? [09:31] webchat47: sudo checkinstall && reboot [09:31] I don't know what modprobing means [09:31] webchat47: reboot is easier [09:31] webchat47: I don't think you need to worry about that, the reboot should handle it. [09:31] okay, I'll do reboot then. [09:32] outoftime: Yep. [09:32] Should I disconnect my webcam before running checkinstall ? [09:33] webchat47: kernels modules are just code that runs at kernel level, it is just code. Files on file systems are read during start up or when you are tald kernel to do so (modprobing) [09:34] got it, thanks outoftime [09:35] webchat47: IDK, Plug And Play means you have running system and then you are pluging device. Not sure about start up. If you aren't sure - pick one and test. [09:36] It is still running installation [09:37] I'll share the logs once it finishes [09:37] it failed to install the package [09:37] gentoo has "wgetpaste" to share log from command execution. Debian recommends to use "command | nc termbin.com 9999' [09:38] also you can just redirect "command &> full-output.log" [09:38] Error log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G8SKcW4pCz/ [09:40] Checkinstall output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WtZrTpSdc8/ [09:41] webchat47: Oh, shoot. The driver is conflicting with Ubuntu's default drivers. Agh, I don't know how to fix this! You could try just using "sudo make install" afterwards, but if it fails, uninstalling that mess could be tricky. [09:41] I hope it has not messed up other files during install [09:42] I'm afraid that it might end up corrupting my laptop [09:43] webchat47: you definitely will. [09:43] webchat47: Nope, that's why we used checkinstall. Anything that goes wrong can be fixed. [09:43] webchat47: make modules backup [09:43] webchat47: Had you used "sudo make install" and then something like this happened, then we'd be in a pickle. [09:43] does checkinstall reverts the changes if it fails to install? [09:44] webchat47: It aborted the installation. [09:44] outoftime: In Ubuntu, checkinstall packages the files you're about to install into a DEB package, allowing you to recover from any problems and cleanly uninstall things. So the failed installation isn't the end of the world. [09:45] So nothing has been changed right? I'm afraid to reboot my laptop right now '=D [09:45] arraybolt3[m]: I mean he has no choice, just to use bare make install, but he needs to backup first [09:45] How can I backup those modules? [09:46] webchat47: no need, I started to give you instruction set for # make install [09:46] webchat47: You should be fine to reboot, but the drivers won't be installed. [09:46] outoftime: What you're saying is a good idea, but then every kernel update he'll probably have to do this whole rigamarole again, right? [09:46] arraybolt3[m]: true [09:46] on focal how do you enable automatic link-local ipv6 address for an interface "eno1"? [09:47] outoftime: Gentoo and Debian/Ubuntu work significantly differently - make install might be fine for you, but it's considered very bad in ubuntu. [09:47] I would like to see neighbours if a cable is connected [09:47] mncheck: You're using Ubuntu Desktop, or Ubuntu Server? [09:48] arraybolt3[m]: it work the same. Problem in order of operations and dependency conflict are common for all distros. [09:48] So this webcam is never working again then !? [09:48] while copying large files (source/dest) on the same local SSD drive; Linux becomes laggy/unresponsive for seconds from time to time until the process finishes; this is intel i7 11th gen with 16G RAM; how come? and how to avoid this? [09:48] webchat47: No, we'll probably figure it out. We just don't want to nuke your system. [09:48] webchat47: We're discussing solutions. [09:49] ice9: how large? [09:49] outoftime: Do you know how to use DKMS? I don't, but I think it might be a good part of the solution here. [09:50] outoftime, 80G [09:50]